This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/AYWBAIB/1.1 Message Board Post: You might want to research in a little town called Calmbach. It is in Schwarzwaldkreis, Wuerttemberg, Germany. That is where I found my Widmann's. Also, did you know that when translated, Gottlieb means "Loves God"?