Hello, Does anyone out there know where the Cloud/Whittington websitesite has moved? Thanks, P Raney

Derrellyn, Sending you info "off list" on the other surnames! Beverly ===== Researching the following lines: BIALI/BIALE, BORDELON, BREWER, BRUNELLE, CARBO, DAVENPORT, DEVORE, DICKERSON, EDMONDSON, ETHERIDGE, LABORDE, LANDRY, LEEBURG, MASCARO, NORMAND/LENORMAND, PONS, ROBERTS, ROTJER, SHOEMAKE, TALTAVULL, TERRAL/TERRELL, WHATLEY ,WHITTINGTON, LOWE, HYATT. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

Hi all, Found this last night...was looking for a connection of a Sarah Shoemake and Burrell Whittington. (I have Shoemake's and Whittington's) What I found was this: (This was the Marion District of South Carolina) (Used with permission of the web page owner) Marion Co. Plat Book A, page 129, 7 Oct. 1803, surveyed for Samson Shoemake by John Russ, Deputy Surveyor; 365 acres on NE side of Great Peedee River between Catfish & Gum Swamps bounded by John Bethea, Samson Shoemake, Grief Whittington, Christopher Dew, Andrew Berry, Jonathon Tart & Joseph Bass; entered in location office 8 Oct 1803. ***An interesting note, with one of the current topics on the board - about the "non_white" notation on the Census - these Shoemakes were listed as Free - non white on more than one census. I am posting this as I have not seen this land record - or any for Grief in this area - hoping that this might lead to some new clues. Does anyone have any thoughts? Beverly Casper, WY ===== Researching the following lines: BIALI/BIALE, BORDELON, BREWER, BRUNELLE, CARBO, DAVENPORT, DEVORE, DICKERSON, EDMONDSON, ETHERIDGE, LABORDE, LANDRY, LEEBURG, MASCARO, NORMAND/LENORMAND, PONS, ROBERTS, ROTJER, SHOEMAKE, TALTAVULL, TERRAL/TERRELL, WHATLEY ,WHITTINGTON, LOWE, HYATT. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

William, et al .... it appears that genweb.net has bitten (byted ??) the dust. I will have to find another home for this information. The Cloud Family Association site is now on rootsweb .... and I pay my dues, but the genweb site was free (maybe that's why it went toes up ???) I've temporarily posted this information to a site that I pay for, so maybe it won't go down anytime soon 8^( .... oh, and please remember that this family history stuff is supposed to be fun .... there's no way any of us can even prove our own parents are ours without a DNA test (we could have been exchanged in the hospital nursery .... and I suspect we'll be hearing some day about errors even in DNA testing). In days of yore children were adopted and never told .... women got pregnant by their lovers and never informed their husband (my, how some things never change) .... so, certainly anything beyond a few generations back is even more questionable .... and when I find that I have a 53rd g-grandfather through Melina's line, who d. AD 48, it's fun, but I wouldn't bet much on its accuracy (now, please go figure those that say they can trace their ancestry to Adam -- and appear to believe it ????? .... I mean, we're all descended from Adam, it's just interesting that a few claim they have found every generation back to him!) .... remember, it only takes one stranger in the woodpile to derail your ancestral train. find the gedcom (zipped 304k) at: http://acc-electronics.com/dalton/melina-anc.zip At 10:08 PM 10/16/00, William Rose <[email protected]> wrote: >Tom, I've tried to bring up this site twice and failed >each time. Can you check the url and give it to me >again for the Whittington to Royalty Unverified Site. > >William Rose > > > Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 07:55:01 -0500 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Melina Dalton ancestry > > > > I have posted a gedcom of what I've found regarding > > the ancestry > > of Melina Dalton, wife of Elisha Whittington. It is > > most interesting, > > if correct ..... it ties into the royal lineages > > of Europe and > > many of the Kings & Queens are there, including an > > nth grand-uncle, > > Robert, Earl of Huntingdon, aka Robin Heud and Lady > > Godiva, an nth > > g-grandmother .... among many, many others. > > > > (Remember, I've only linked this into other people's > > research, > > which simply gives us some clues for our own > > verification of this > > data .... and it is generally agreed that the > > royal lineages are > > fraught with difficulty due to the subterfuge (aka > > affairs), legends > > lies and intermarriages.) > > > > find the gedcom (1.2M and zipped 304k) at: > > http://genweb.net/~whittington/melina-anc/ > > > > Some detailed royalty research is at > > http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/ > > > > I share this with you because, to me, that's what > > this is all > > about -- remembering / discovering our heritage and > > making it available > > to all the family ..... please let me know what > > you discover about > > this information -- either good or bad ..... I > > want to continue > > to "grow" our information ... but I also want to > > have it as correct > > as is reasonably possible. > > > > > > Tom Cloud <[email protected]> > > Tom Cloud <[email protected]>

At 09:51 PM 10/18/00 , Mary Chandler wrote: >------------- >Carol, that would be great. Loved reading your theory about your branch and >you are probably very accurate in how it happened. I don't know if it is >true, but Ida was supposed to be a famous opera singer in NY. Have you heard >that? > >Mary Mary, that is what I was told by my grandmother, Jessie Wiess Whittington. ... that Ida went to NY to study music and lived with unknown persons and that no one knows what became of her .... I didn't know that she sang opera, nor do I know that she became "famous" .... would love to see evidences of that. My exact notes about her: "Family lore has it that she was an exceptionally gifted singer and went to New York with a family who promised to see that she got better educated in her talent, with her appearing in concert work about the 1870's or 1880's there." BTW, note that my g-grandfather, her nephew, Dalton Ernest Whittington Sr. was a very gifted musician also ... He taught music with the Thomas Goggin Piano Company in Houston in latter 1800's. Dalton had an older sister named Ida -- apparently after her aunt Ida. This Ida Whittington m. Cesar Hebert, a brother to Dalton's second wife, Lula May Hebert. .... just did (another) internet search on Ida Whittington (This isn't her .... but it's probably one of our cousins ??) http://www.kori-fm.com/yburial98_99.htm http://www.kori-fm.com/xburial98.htm Bartle Funeral Home, 815 Hurst Street, Center, Shelby County, Texas - 1998 Through 1999: Styers, Edna Elizabeth, 01/16/1912 (Shreveport, LA) - 11/10/1998 parents: William S. Johnson/La & Ida Whittington/La spouse: Claude cause of death: Verhitory Failure interment: Oaklawn, reference: 21/98 (this could be her ??) http://hermistonor.com/fincher.html http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/y/r/Trudy-A-Myrland/GENE5-0028.html Francis William Fincher b. 1855 married Ida May Whittington ... and this could be her ... Baltimore MD death record 1875-1880 http://archive1.mdarchives.state.md.us/msa/stagser/s1400/s1483/html/ssi1483aw2.html Ida Whittington 1875/03/15 01665 CR 48,045 http://jcrogers.com/wpa.htm Arizona WPA records: Douglas, Andrew Ellicott b. July 5, 1867 Windsor, VT m. Ida E. Whittington of LA,CA, Aug 3, 1905 http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/b/a/r/Michael-A-Barbieri/GENE3-0004.html Porter Francis Biggerstaff b. 9-28-1855 d. 9-28-1907 m. Ida Whittington Tom Cloud <[email protected]>

At 08:51 PM 10/17/00 , Carol Whittington wrote: >Mary: > >Glad to have been of assistance. Family tradition can begin to make sense >once you can place a family in the context of where they lived and who they >associated with. > >On a slightly different note: > >Since you are the first descendent of Elisha and Lucinda that I have been in >contact with, I am curious if there has been any family lore passed down in >your line as to why Elisha and Melina split up. Melina left Louisiana and >went to Texas ca. 1831 and had two more children (born between 1832-1835) in >Liberty County. The father of these children--one of whom I am a direct >descendent of--is unknown although Melina gave them the Whittington surname >since she was not legally divorced from Elisha until 1836. There were >definitely children of Elisha and Melina's union as reflected in the 1830 >census record. These children were apparently raised by Elisha. > >The little that we know of Melina's life raises more questions than >answers. There were certainly no clues or knowledge passed down in my >Liberty County Whittingtons about the divorce which makes me think Elisha & >Melina's situation must have been rather scandalous for its time. .... or at least bitter ! >Carol Whittington Carol, et al .... I think I have names of several of Lucinda Futch's descendants if you're interested Some questions: 1 - wonder if my g-g-grandfather, John D. Whittington, was their first-born; 2 - wonder if the dates of some of the children -- or at least their mother -- is in error; and 3 - I've been told Elisha was an active member in the Bayou Chicot Baptist church, including being a deacon (though I've seen no proof of this information) .... wonder how he could have been involved in anything "scandalous" and still kept his status in this church? questions 2 & 3 are my musings about whether Elisha was the scoundrel some allege or if we just have our facts wrong ?? - Mabel Thompson, in her book, has a most brief reference to Elisha and Mary Milam having a son named John .... but no other information. .... My 2-g-grandfather, John D. Whittington is, according to a lawsuit, a descendant of Melina and was b. 1824/5 -- the same year Elisha & Melina married (they m. July 1824) and Harbert was b. 1825. If John was their first-born, 9 months pregnancy would have him b. ca March of 1825. Apparently we do not know either John or Harbert's actual b.date, so it's possible, IMO, that John was their first-born (perhaps premature or ??) and Harbert was conceived in short order after that. - The births of Jane and Ann, born before the divorce petition says Melina abandoned Elisha, are attributed to Mary Milam ... which seems to imply that Melina may have left Elisha because he was having an affair with Mary. But, what evidence do we have that they are Mary's children ? .... one might think, that if Elisha were a scoundrel, and Melina wasn't there to defend herself, that he would have alleged something different or additional against Melina to legitimize Jane and Ann ??? WRT the "mixed colored" .... remember that there is sufficient (at least to me) evidence that contradicts Elisha's statement that Susanna Cox was his mother. * In 1795, Grief sold 50 acres to John Hayes and no wife signed the deed with him, implying his wife (Susannah) was deceased. * Barbary Smith gave land to his daughter in 1803, citing her as the wife of Grief Whittington. * John was b. 1799, apparently son of Thruley * Elisha was born in 1804 .... Grief had probably been married to Thruley 6 years at that time ??? .... so, how could he have been the son of Susanna Cox ? .... sorry, just ramblings Tom Cloud <[email protected]>

Mary, I had read about Ida Whittington being an opera singer from Tom Cloud's web page, but I haven't actually done any research on her as yet. I would love to learn more about her. My ancestor Bill Whittington had a daughter he also named Ida, no doubt in honor of his half-sister. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 10:51 PM Subject: Re: Elisha Whittington Census Record > [email protected] writes: > > <<...If I ever uncover more substantial evidence or clues about Melina and > Elisha and their ill-fated match, I will be happy to share. > > Carol >> > ------------- > Carol, that would be great. Loved reading your theory about your branch and > you are probably very accurate in how it happened. I don't know if it is > true, but Ida was supposed to be a famous opera singer in NY. Have you heard > that? > > Mary > > > ==== WHITTINGTON Mailing List ==== > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/search > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Hello All Whittingtons, especially Tom, I have found this very interesting. I love history, romance and ancestors. I hope someone does unravel the mystery. If any one comes across an Anne Elizabeth Whittington, (VA/WV) would appreciate any info.Born abt. 1845. Was living with daughter in Kanawha Co., WV in 1910. Thanks for sharing your Whittington story. Sue >From: "dcwhittin" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Elisha Whittington Census Record >Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:07:58 -0500 > >Derrellyn, Mary and Sue: > >Thanks to all for your answers and insight. I guess any possible scenario >could have happened between Elisha and Melina. As far as I know no written >record survives of the break up other than the divorce papers that Elisha >filed on Melina. Elisha divorced Melina while she was living in Texas and >she never appeared in person to answer the charges. > >Here is my theory of what might have happened (of course this is all >conjecture and until evidence comes to light I cannot prove any of this.): > >Melina probably found life with Elisha unbearable and he may well have been >abusive to her. Perhaps she felt that her only escape from her situation >was to leave. Because married women had little if any legal rights in those >days, she may have been forced to leave her children behind with Elisha. I >doubt that she did so willingly. > >I also doubt that she came to Texas by herself. Melina had Dalton >relatives >who already lived in Liberty County and one of her brothers migrated to TX >from St Landry Parish the same year that Elisha claimed that Melina left >him >(per the divorce papers.) I suspect Melina left Louisiana with her >brother's >family so she must have found refuge with her Dalton kin. > >The divorce papers claimed adultery against Melina as apparently Elisha >knew of the existence of her children in Texas by "persons unknown." I'm >not sure why it took Elisha 5 years to divorce Melina unless there was a >required waiting period or else he was thinking she might someday return. >In the interim, Elisha must have found solace in the arms of Mary >Milam(based on what other Whittington researchers are turning up about that >possible liaison.) before his marriage to Lucinda Futch. > >Melina's relationship(s) in Texas between the years 1831 and 1840 remain a >mystery. She did eventually marry a San Jacinto war veteran named Cyrus >Thompson in 1840 as her second husband. Cyrus was not the father of her >two >children as the timing of his arrival in Texas was too late. Whoever the >father was may have died or abandoned Melina prior to 1840. His name has >not >been preserved in the family. Melina obtained a land grant in Liberty >County from the Mexican government under the name Melina Whittington as a >"head of a family." Melina may have claimed that she was a widow to obtain >this property. The gentlemen who testified on her behalf for her land >certificate did not divulge her secret if in fact they actually knew about >the circumstances of her removal to Texas. Parts of Melina's original >land >grant still remain in the ownership of several of her son Bill's >descendents. > >Melina and Cyrus remained together and lived on a farm in Liberty (later to >become part of Chambers) County. They raised Melina's two children but had >none of their own. Melina died in Galveston in October 1874 and was buried >in Potter's Field. Cyrus died two years later, also in Galveston, at the >home of his step-daughter Clara, but unlike Melina's ending, he received a >proper burial in the City Cemetery. Their graves washed out to sea during >the great storm of 1900. > >There is circumstancial evidence that Melina may in fact have kept in touch >with her children by Elisha. One example: In the month and year of her >death, there was an Ida Whittington who had been receiving letters at the >Galveston post office. When letters weren't picked up the addressee's names >were advertised in the local paper. I came across this evidence that Ida >Whittington had been in Galveston while scrolling through old Galveston >newspapers on microfilm. Ida's name appears on the list of unclaimed >letters. I did not know who Ida Whittington was until I connected with Tom >Cloud and his web page. Ida was the daughter of Elisha and Melina. Ida >must have been in town to be with her mother in her final days. > >I probably told everyone more than you care to know about my ancestress >and >I realize that the above account reads like a paperback novel. If I ever >uncover more substantial evidence or clues about Melina and Elisha and >their >ill-fated match, I will be happy to share. > >Carol >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:25 PM >Subject: Re: Elisha Whittington Census Record > > > > Maybe he was abusive or alcoholic -- I have been told by another >researcher > > that there does seem to be a problem with alcohol in the Whittington >line. > > > > Sue Hunt > > Clinton, Miss. > > > > > > ==== WHITTINGTON Mailing List ==== > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > W H I T T I N G T O N F A M I L Y H I S T O R Y G R O U P > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > >==== WHITTINGTON Mailing List ==== > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Post a brief family history .... let's see if we're cousins > >============================== >Visit Ancestry’s Library – The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > Smile, God Loves You! 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[email protected] writes: <<...If I ever uncover more substantial evidence or clues about Melina and Elisha and their ill-fated match, I will be happy to share. Carol >> ------------- Carol, that would be great. Loved reading your theory about your branch and you are probably very accurate in how it happened. I don't know if it is true, but Ida was supposed to be a famous opera singer in NY. Have you heard that? Mary

Derrellyn, Mary and Sue: Thanks to all for your answers and insight. I guess any possible scenario could have happened between Elisha and Melina. As far as I know no written record survives of the break up other than the divorce papers that Elisha filed on Melina. Elisha divorced Melina while she was living in Texas and she never appeared in person to answer the charges. Here is my theory of what might have happened (of course this is all conjecture and until evidence comes to light I cannot prove any of this.): Melina probably found life with Elisha unbearable and he may well have been abusive to her. Perhaps she felt that her only escape from her situation was to leave. Because married women had little if any legal rights in those days, she may have been forced to leave her children behind with Elisha. I doubt that she did so willingly. I also doubt that she came to Texas by herself. Melina had Dalton relatives who already lived in Liberty County and one of her brothers migrated to TX from St Landry Parish the same year that Elisha claimed that Melina left him (per the divorce papers.) I suspect Melina left Louisiana with her brother's family so she must have found refuge with her Dalton kin. The divorce papers claimed adultery against Melina as apparently Elisha knew of the existence of her children in Texas by "persons unknown." I'm not sure why it took Elisha 5 years to divorce Melina unless there was a required waiting period or else he was thinking she might someday return. In the interim, Elisha must have found solace in the arms of Mary Milam(based on what other Whittington researchers are turning up about that possible liaison.) before his marriage to Lucinda Futch. Melina's relationship(s) in Texas between the years 1831 and 1840 remain a mystery. She did eventually marry a San Jacinto war veteran named Cyrus Thompson in 1840 as her second husband. Cyrus was not the father of her two children as the timing of his arrival in Texas was too late. Whoever the father was may have died or abandoned Melina prior to 1840. His name has not been preserved in the family. Melina obtained a land grant in Liberty County from the Mexican government under the name Melina Whittington as a "head of a family." Melina may have claimed that she was a widow to obtain this property. The gentlemen who testified on her behalf for her land certificate did not divulge her secret if in fact they actually knew about the circumstances of her removal to Texas. Parts of Melina's original land grant still remain in the ownership of several of her son Bill's descendents. Melina and Cyrus remained together and lived on a farm in Liberty (later to become part of Chambers) County. They raised Melina's two children but had none of their own. Melina died in Galveston in October 1874 and was buried in Potter's Field. Cyrus died two years later, also in Galveston, at the home of his step-daughter Clara, but unlike Melina's ending, he received a proper burial in the City Cemetery. Their graves washed out to sea during the great storm of 1900. There is circumstancial evidence that Melina may in fact have kept in touch with her children by Elisha. One example: In the month and year of her death, there was an Ida Whittington who had been receiving letters at the Galveston post office. When letters weren't picked up the addressee's names were advertised in the local paper. I came across this evidence that Ida Whittington had been in Galveston while scrolling through old Galveston newspapers on microfilm. Ida's name appears on the list of unclaimed letters. I did not know who Ida Whittington was until I connected with Tom Cloud and his web page. Ida was the daughter of Elisha and Melina. Ida must have been in town to be with her mother in her final days. I probably told everyone more than you care to know about my ancestress and I realize that the above account reads like a paperback novel. If I ever uncover more substantial evidence or clues about Melina and Elisha and their ill-fated match, I will be happy to share. Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 6:25 PM Subject: Re: Elisha Whittington Census Record > Maybe he was abusive or alcoholic -- I have been told by another researcher > that there does seem to be a problem with alcohol in the Whittington line. > > Sue Hunt > Clinton, Miss. > > > ==== WHITTINGTON Mailing List ==== > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > W H I T T I N G T O N F A M I L Y H I S T O R Y G R O U P > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Maybe he was abusive or alcoholic -- I have been told by another researcher that there does seem to be a problem with alcohol in the Whittington line. Sue Hunt Clinton, Miss.

[email protected] writes: << Since you are the first descendent of Elisha and Lucinda that I have been in contact with, I am curious if there has been any family lore passed down in your line as to why Elisha and Melina split up.... ...There were certainly no clues or knowledge passed down in my Liberty County Whittingtons about the divorce which makes me think Elisha & Melina's situation must have been rather scandalous for its time. >> ---------- Carol, Sorry, but there was nothing passed down re Elisha and Melina's situation. I would imagine it was quite scandalous for its time. Usually back then the only reason for remarriage was your spouse died and you had to hurriedly find someone else to help you raise your children. Most women back then didn't have carreers. For Melina to leave her children behind like that makes me think she probably left town in a hurry. But who knows, maybe Elisha was EXTRA hard to live with. Mary

Carol, is the timeframe such that it is -possible- that the first of Melina's children born after the 1831 split could be the result of a pregnancy conceived in her last days with Elisha? If so, that might answer one child's paternity. Also, is it possible that Elisha traveled between Louisiana and Texas, "feathering two nests" so to speak? He wouldn't be the first man to do that. -Derrellyn >From: "dcwhittin" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: Elisha Whittington Census Record >Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 22:51:48 -0500 > >Mary: > >Glad to have been of assistance. Family tradition can begin to make sense >once you can place a family in the context of where they lived and who they >associated with. > >On a slightly different note: > >Since you are the first descendent of Elisha and Lucinda that I have been >in >contact with, I am curious if there has been any family lore passed down in >your line as to why Elisha and Melina split up. Melina left Louisiana and >went to Texas ca. 1831 and had two more children (born between 1832-1835) >in >Liberty County. The father of these children--one of whom I am a direct >descendent of--is unknown although Melina gave them the Whittington surname >since she was not legally divorced from Elisha until 1836. There were >definitely children of Elisha and Melina's union as reflected in the 1830 >census record. These children were apparently raised by Elisha. > >The little that we know of Melina's life raises more questions than >answers. There were certainly no clues or knowledge passed down in my >Liberty County Whittingtons about the divorce which makes me think Elisha >& >Melina's situation must have been rather scandalous for its time. > >Carol Whittington > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:53 AM >Subject: Re: Elisha Whittington Census Record > > > > [email protected] writes: > > > > << I am descended from Melina (Dalton) Whittington, first wife of >Elisha > > Whittington. I am curious about a census record on Elisha Whittington >in >the > > 1830 St. Landry Parish census. The entire household of Elisha is listed >as > > "free colored persons." Does anyone have any insight into why the family >was > > enumerated as such? The family of John Whittington, Elisha's brother is > > listed as "white." >> > > ---------- > > Carol, thank you so much for bringing that to our attention. I never >noticed > > it before, but it helps me in my theory. I descend from Elisha and his >wife, > > Lucinda Futch. Family lore has it that this line is where our Indian >blood > > comes from. That my Mother's mother was 1/8th Indian; that my >GG-grandmother, > > Melissa Ann Whittington was 1/2 Indian. I could not figure out how that >could > > be if the Whittingtons probably came from the British Isles and Lucinda > > Futch's father's line came from Germany. Then I looked at the >possibility > > that the two grandmothers of Melissa might have been full-blooded >Indian; > > therefore, Elisha and Lucinda were both 1/2 Indian and all their >children > > would be 1/2 also. So if my theory is correct, Susanna Cox and Elizabeth > > Thompson were both Indian, but have been unable to find the parentage of > > either one. > > > > John's family would have a different notation on the census, because his > > mother was Thruly Smith. John and Elisha were half-brothers. > > > > Again, Carol, thank you so much for being so thorough in your search. > > > > [email protected] > > Mary Chandler > > Waco, TX > > > > > > ==== WHITTINGTON Mailing List ==== > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > > http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html > > > > ============================== > > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 > > > > > >==== WHITTINGTON Mailing List ==== > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html > >============================== >Visit Ancestry’s Library – The best collection of family history >learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Mary: Glad to have been of assistance. Family tradition can begin to make sense once you can place a family in the context of where they lived and who they associated with. On a slightly different note: Since you are the first descendent of Elisha and Lucinda that I have been in contact with, I am curious if there has been any family lore passed down in your line as to why Elisha and Melina split up. Melina left Louisiana and went to Texas ca. 1831 and had two more children (born between 1832-1835) in Liberty County. The father of these children--one of whom I am a direct descendent of--is unknown although Melina gave them the Whittington surname since she was not legally divorced from Elisha until 1836. There were definitely children of Elisha and Melina's union as reflected in the 1830 census record. These children were apparently raised by Elisha. The little that we know of Melina's life raises more questions than answers. There were certainly no clues or knowledge passed down in my Liberty County Whittingtons about the divorce which makes me think Elisha & Melina's situation must have been rather scandalous for its time. Carol Whittington ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Elisha Whittington Census Record > [email protected] writes: > > << I am descended from Melina (Dalton) Whittington, first wife of Elisha > Whittington. I am curious about a census record on Elisha Whittington in the > 1830 St. Landry Parish census. The entire household of Elisha is listed as > "free colored persons." Does anyone have any insight into why the family was > enumerated as such? The family of John Whittington, Elisha's brother is > listed as "white." >> > ---------- > Carol, thank you so much for bringing that to our attention. I never noticed > it before, but it helps me in my theory. I descend from Elisha and his wife, > Lucinda Futch. Family lore has it that this line is where our Indian blood > comes from. That my Mother's mother was 1/8th Indian; that my GG-grandmother, > Melissa Ann Whittington was 1/2 Indian. I could not figure out how that could > be if the Whittingtons probably came from the British Isles and Lucinda > Futch's father's line came from Germany. Then I looked at the possibility > that the two grandmothers of Melissa might have been full-blooded Indian; > therefore, Elisha and Lucinda were both 1/2 Indian and all their children > would be 1/2 also. So if my theory is correct, Susanna Cox and Elizabeth > Thompson were both Indian, but have been unable to find the parentage of > either one. > > John's family would have a different notation on the census, because his > mother was Thruly Smith. John and Elisha were half-brothers. > > Again, Carol, thank you so much for being so thorough in your search. > > [email protected] > Mary Chandler > Waco, TX > > > ==== WHITTINGTON Mailing List ==== > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at > http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html > > ============================== > The easiest way to stay in touch with your family and friends! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST1 >

[email protected] writes: << I am descended from Melina (Dalton) Whittington, first wife of Elisha Whittington. I am curious about a census record on Elisha Whittington in the 1830 St. Landry Parish census. The entire household of Elisha is listed as "free colored persons." Does anyone have any insight into why the family was enumerated as such? The family of John Whittington, Elisha's brother is listed as "white." >> ---------- Carol, thank you so much for bringing that to our attention. I never noticed it before, but it helps me in my theory. I descend from Elisha and his wife, Lucinda Futch. Family lore has it that this line is where our Indian blood comes from. That my Mother's mother was 1/8th Indian; that my GG-grandmother, Melissa Ann Whittington was 1/2 Indian. I could not figure out how that could be if the Whittingtons probably came from the British Isles and Lucinda Futch's father's line came from Germany. Then I looked at the possibility that the two grandmothers of Melissa might have been full-blooded Indian; therefore, Elisha and Lucinda were both 1/2 Indian and all their children would be 1/2 also. So if my theory is correct, Susanna Cox and Elizabeth Thompson were both Indian, but have been unable to find the parentage of either one. John's family would have a different notation on the census, because his mother was Thruly Smith. John and Elisha were half-brothers. Again, Carol, thank you so much for being so thorough in your search. [email protected] Mary Chandler Waco, TX

Tom, I've tried to bring up this site twice and failed each time. Can you check the url and give it to me again for the Whittington to Royalty Unverified Site. William Rose --- [email protected] wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 > > WHITTINGTON-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 78 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Melina Dalton ancestry > [[email protected]] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from WHITTINGTON-D, send a message to > > [email protected] > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, > but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, > too. > > To contact the list administrator, send mail to > [email protected] > > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2000 07:55:01 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Melina Dalton ancestry > > I have posted a gedcom of what I've found regarding > the ancestry > of Melina Dalton, wife of Elisha Whittington. It is > most interesting, > if correct ..... it ties into the royal lineages > of Europe and > many of the Kings & Queens are there, including an > nth grand-uncle, > Robert, Earl of Huntingdon, aka Robin Heud and Lady > Godiva, an nth > g-grandmother .... among many, many others. > > (Remember, I've only linked this into other people's > research, > which simply gives us some clues for our own > verification of this > data .... and it is generally agreed that the > royal lineages are > fraught with difficulty due to the subterfuge (aka > affairs), legends > lies and intermarriages.) > > find the gedcom (1.2M and zipped 304k) at: > http://genweb.net/~whittington/melina-anc/ > > Some detailed royalty research is at > http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/ > > I share this with you because, to me, that's what > this is all > about -- remembering / discovering our heritage and > making it available > to all the family ..... please let me know what > you discover about > this information -- either good or bad ..... I > want to continue > to "grow" our information ... but I also want to > have it as correct > as is reasonably possible. > > > Tom Cloud <[email protected]> > ===== "If we could see the past, then of course it would look different. For there was a time when every man was part of his mother, ...and... part of his grand parents. If you could see humanity spread out in time, as God sees it, it would look like one single growing thing--rather like a very complicated tree. Every individual would appear connected with every other--- C.S. Lewis, 1898-1963 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/

Melungeons: Many mixed race branches of Whittingtons have blood connections to certain branches of Finley, Hall, Goyne, Stamper, Sweat, Cornish, Dial, Johnson and several other well-known mixed race families going back before the Pilgrims of Plymouth Rock. From 1609 to 1700 Africans brought to America were treated equally as white European indentured servants. They served their contracts, bought land in Virginia, New York, Pennsylvania and these Africans themselves owned white and black, male and female indentured servants, sometimes married European and native women, and they themselves often owned slaves. By the time life-long slavery was introduced in America in the 18th century many of the descendants of these original 17th century African Americans were already spread abroad from New York to Louisiana. They make up the vast majority of those labeled "free coloureds" by the U.S. Government. There is a Cornelius Whittington on the Cherokee Rolls as a free coloured. Indians could be classed as free coloured. Sometimes families who were obviously white but known to be from mixed race backgrounds, had a double census taken of them by the government: one listed them as "free coloured" and another as "white" just to be sure. The Whittingtons, Finleys, Cornishes, Sweats, etc who are related as mixed blood, were never slaves. Some are fully black. Some are mostly Indian. Some of them are mostly white with about 5% black and 3% red blood descended from black and mixed race freed men, former indentured servants of the American colonies before 1700 back to the very beginning of the first permanent American colony in Jamestown, Virginia. Many books have been written on them and the final chapter has not yet been closed. Tim Hashaw

Hello Everyone: I am a new subscriber to the Whittington e-mail group. I am descended from Melina (Dalton) Whittington, first wife of Elisha Whittington. I am curious about a census record on Elisha Whittington in the 1830 St. Landry Parish census. The entire household of Elisha is listed as "free colored persons." Does anyone have any insight into why the family was enumerated as such? The family of John Whittington, Elisha's brother is listed as "white." The following two web addresses present the complete graphic image of the specific census record I am referring to: (Elisha's household is listed seventh from the top.) http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/la/stlandry/census/1830/0045a.gif http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/la/stlandry/census/1830/0045b.gif It is quite possible that this entry was simply a transcription error by the early census recorder. It is interesting to note the number of neighboring families in the Bayou Chicot area who are also recorded as being "free colored persons." I've come across some geneaological information on the internet of some of these other families (i.e. Sweat, Willis, Perkins, Ashworth, Dial and others) indicating they were of mixed white-black ancestory or white-Native American heritage. Is there any possible connection with the Daltons and Whittingtons with these other families? Does anyone know what may have motivated Grief Whittington to move to this particular area of Louisiana. I appreciate any and all opinions. Carol Whittington

I have posted a gedcom of what I've found regarding the ancestry of Melina Dalton, wife of Elisha Whittington. It is most interesting, if correct ..... it ties into the royal lineages of Europe and many of the Kings & Queens are there, including an nth grand-uncle, Robert, Earl of Huntingdon, aka Robin Heud and Lady Godiva, an nth g-grandmother .... among many, many others. (Remember, I've only linked this into other people's research, which simply gives us some clues for our own verification of this data .... and it is generally agreed that the royal lineages are fraught with difficulty due to the subterfuge (aka affairs), legends lies and intermarriages.) find the gedcom (1.2M and zipped 304k) at: http://genweb.net/~whittington/melina-anc/ Some detailed royalty research is at http://www.dcs.hull.ac.uk/public/genealogy/royal/ I share this with you because, to me, that's what this is all about -- remembering / discovering our heritage and making it available to all the family ..... please let me know what you discover about this information -- either good or bad ..... I want to continue to "grow" our information ... but I also want to have it as correct as is reasonably possible. Tom Cloud <[email protected]>

Posted on: Whittington Queries Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/FamilyAssoc/Whittington/72 Surname: Johnson, Johnston, Whittington ------------------------- Did Burrell And Nancy Whittington have a daughter Mary bn ca 1818 in La. And did she (Mary) marry Nathaniel Thain Johnson (Johnston), as found on the 1850 census of Leake Cty., Ms. If not, does anyone know who this Mary is? Thanks, Sally