I went back through the 1850 and 1860 Census, but didn't see any Holmes or Gibbs listed in the townships John was in. I forgot to put where they were in Ill and NY (I have 2 "helpers" under 4). In the 1850 Census John F. Whitney and family are in Brown County, Illinois (Twp 1SR4W) I was also going to mention that there is a James Whitney age 59 farmer born Mass. as head of household in the family just above John's, the rest of the household includes Solomon Whitney age 8 born NY and Aaron Inman age 13 born Ohio, but I'm not sure if they are related or not. In the 1860 Census John F. and family are in Twp. 18 Range 5, Menard County, Illinois post office Athens. When they were in NY I'm not positive where they were since the Census before 1850 doesn't list names beyond the head of household, but in 1830 his father in law, Jacob Nokes was in Duane, Franklin, New York and the 2 families in the same area that might be Whitney's are, Wright Whitteny (?) and Samuel Whitney or Whiting (?). In 1840 Jacob Nokes is in Jay, Essex, New York. There are 2 Whitney families listed on the same page just above him. They are James Whitney (maybe same as on 1850 census) and Franklin Whitney. The families I found for Whitney in Franklin County, VT in 1820 were Sherwood Whitney in Fairfield, Franklin, VT, Bartholomew Whitney in Franklin, Franklin, VT, and Joel Whitney in Sheldon, Franklin, VT. In 1830 were Nathan Whitney in Fairfield, Franklin, VT, Serwood Whitney in Fairfield, Franklin, VT, Bartholomew Whitney in Franklin, Franklin, VT, Samuel Whitney in Richford, Franklin, VT, and Joel Whitney in Sheldon, Franklin, VT. Thank you for the responses so far. Kristy --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard.