Gail: Forgive me for sticking in an answer. I am almost positive that the Arnold surname for Elinor comes from an anonymous posting to Ancestral File on the Mormon website in Salt Lake City. It had no sourcing or documentation. As one who spent at least 20+ hours at the British Genealogy Society library, searching for any marriage record anywhere in England for John and Elinor -- to no avail -- I don't think that there is any known source or document that confirms the surname Arnold for our maternal progenitor. I cannot provide a definitive answer about the Bray surname, but suspect that it came from an equally suspicious source. Too many people have search too far and wide not to have discovered this if it were the same surname as John's mother. Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green