Dear Bill: Somewhere some wires got crossed. Mary Bray is our John Whitney's mother. She married Thomas Whitney in St. Margaret's Westminster on 12 May 1583, according to the Parish Registrar for that church. I saw the originals in the library of Westminster Abbey in 1982. She and Thomas had at least nine and possibly ten children beginning with Margaret in 1584 and ending with Robert in 1605 and maybe Frances in 1615. However, I tend to think that this last female child was the daughter of Thomas Whitney (Jr.), the second child of the above couple who was born in 1587. Someone has supposedly discovered an Elinor Bray, also in St. Margaret's Westminster records, born in 1597. I cannot confirm or deny this "fact" - since I didn't copy the Bray entries while I had a chance. The reason I spoke of finding a marriage record in London (or environs) was that IF this Elinor was a Bray, then one could reasonably infer that a marriage would have been somewhere in London, if not in the records of St. Margaret's. I did search every marriage record I could find at the library of the British Society of Genealogists in London over the time of four visits to England that included at least a week working in that facility each time. I never found a marriage for a John Whitney to any Elinor, under any spelling varient that might have occurred. I hope this clarifies the matter for you. There is a lot more information available at the Whitney Research Group website at: http://www.whitneygen.org/ Allan E. Green