What does the terms verch and ap mean in the following material I came across in the Whitney Research Group? Mr. Thomas Whitney,gentleman,parentage unproven,but apparently son of Robert and Elizabeth (verch Morgan ap William) Noreen Maloney LaTour

"Verch" and "ap" are welsh for "daughter of" and "son of". Elizabeth was therefore the daughter of a man named Morgan, who was the son of a man named William. She was listed in records just that way "Elizabeth verch Morgan ap William", but care should be taken not to assume her surname was "verch Morgan" or "verch Morgan ap William". This was a time when surnames had not yet been fully applied in this area of England. She was simply Elizabeth, daughter of Morgan, son of William. Tim -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noreen LaTour Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:14 PM To: WHITNEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Anyone in Whitney Research know what these terms mean? What does the terms verch and ap mean in the following material I came across in the Whitney Research Group? Mr. Thomas Whitney,gentleman,parentage unproven,but apparently son of Robert and Elizabeth (verch Morgan ap William) Noreen Maloney LaTour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message