Carolyn Whitney Branagan wrote: "This is a question for Robert Ward and Allan Green.  I will  be anxious  to see what they have   to say  on this topic,  but I  was not aware  there was a   royal connection through Mary Bray.  And  it doesn't seem to be all that clear to me that Thomas  was the father of John. Robert and Allan,  do we have enough evidence to  make  that claim?"     My two cents observes the circumstantial evidence that John's and Elinor's oldest child, born 1619 (died young) was named "Mary" (Yes, I'm being facetious). I had asked a few weeks ago about the certainty, or not, of whether we knew that Thomas was the father of John, and I'm quite certain that Robert and Allan both responded in the affirmative. I've got it on disk somewhere (at least with the old hard copy files, I knew exactly where to look by just following the alphabet). Is there not some way, though, to confirm or refute whether this Thomas, if we do know he was the father of John-1, was also the grandson of the Sir Robert Whitney (died England Aug. 5, 1567) who married Sybil Baskerville, and great-grandson of the Robert Whitney (died May or June, 1541) who married Margaret Wye? Merry Whitney, MerryJWhit@aol.com