Hello Ken, CORRECTION: In my haste to make an Historical Society meeting, I typed in another's calculations and not my own for Thomas G. Whitney's birthdate. It should have read: June 26, 1796. We have had little doubt that Thomas G. Whitney was one of three children of Efrem Whitney who died in a snowstorm in 1815 in Raymond, Me. Efrem's sons were: Thomas, b. 1796, Efrem, b. 1805, Moses, b. 1806/7. Efrem Whitney (Sr.) was the son of Moses and Sarah Gerry Whitney, who served in the revolution before coming to Raymond about 1776, then, a virtual wilderness. Sarah Gerry has long been given the badge as having been the sister of Elbridge Gerry, the first Ambassador of the U.S. but many hours of proving this historical book myth have come to naught. Nancy and I simply could not find a sister of Elbridge Gerry named "Sarah". This line is well documented by Pierce from this point. Because there were no early records of Raymond, and what was first written as vitals& family units were burned, It is only by heavily weighted circumstantial evidence that we can say that these 3 men are the sons of Efrem Whitney. All 3 of these men, thomas, Efrem and Moses lived side by side on land that father Efrem andhis father Moses and Sarah Gerry Whitney had owned (lots 17, 18, 19 in the 3rd range as I recall). Additionally, Thomas G. Whitney's children appear to reflect the given names of parentsEfrem and Abagail (Nabby) Whitney as well asThankful's parents (per your data). Of course, I am always looking for the definetive, but in the Raymond, Maine area it isn't there to be had. And yes, I'm open for further thought on this "Whitneyville" group as this area was called. It frustrated Walt, Nancy and I for quite some time. Regards, Larry Tracy Jr. Kennebunkport, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Whitney To: Larry Tracy Jr. Cc: WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Thomas G. Whitney of Raymond/Casco, Maine Hello Larry, Thanks so much for your reply. As usual, you've got the bases covered. It is now painfully obvious that Mrs Clara Noble Marble was the source of my awful headache. You have provided the correct analgesic. In her submission to the DAR (#68531), she seems to have chosen the wrong Whitney for her grandfather. That is very difficult for me to believe, but there you have it. It is obvious that her mother, Elizabeth Whitney, was not the daughter of Thomas S. Whitney, born 10 September 1799, but Thomas G. Whitney, born 16 July 1796, from his grave record. This leaves Thomas S. Whitney, son of Joseph and Rebecca Whitney, born on the 1799 date, to be the husband of Lydia Tufts. I must admit that I have caused a lot of my own headache. I believed someone about who their grandfather was without checking further. I will let that be a lesson to me. On the other hand, this is wonderful! I now have what appears to be a well documented source for Thomas S. Whitney, and my database will be correct and have more information about the migration to the west of another Whitney family from Maine. It leaves me with one question. Larry, do you know the ancestry of Thomas G. Whitney of Casco, Maine? Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Tracy Jr. To: Ken Whitney Cc: Whitney Research Group Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: Thomas G. Whitney of Raymond/Casco, Maine Hello Ken & WRG, The following information was gathered several years ago while Walt Tracy, Nancy Metelski and myself were working on the Whitneys of Raymond/Casco, Maine. Herein, the focus is Thomas G. Whitney, about whom a recent controversy surrounds as to lineage. Thomas G. Whitney is buried in the Merch Cemetery, South Casco (formerly Raymond) with his wife, Thankful and other members of his family. Headstone reads for Thomas: Died Aug. 15,1884; Age 88 yrs., 1 month, 20 days. If calculations are correct, this would put the birthdate as July 16, 1796. Headstone for Thankful reads: Died Sept. 5, 1868, Age 75 years, 1 month, 28 days. If calculations are correct, this would put the birthdate as July 8, 1793. The Casco marriage int. show Thomas G. Whitney and Mrs. Emma R. Campbell on June 1, 1874. Census Material: 1820, Oxford Cty. Found a Thomas Whitney at (plantation) #6, 1 male age 45+; 2 females, 1 under 10 & 1 16 to 26. Pg 123, Oxford Cty. This, I realize, may not have any association with the above Thomas. 1830 Census,Thomas Whitney of Raymond, Me., 2 males between 5 and 10 & 1 under 5 years. Both Thomas and Thankful are between 30 and 40. Page 267. 1840 Census, Raymond, Me. 1 male between 5 and 10, 1 male between 10 and 15, 2 males between 15 and 20. Thomas and Thankful are both between 40 and 50. Females, 1 between 10 and 15, 2 between 15 and 20. Page 303. 1850 Census, Casco, Maine Thomas Whitney is 52 years and Thankful is 56 years. Peter S. is 16 years. They are living in the same location, but now named Casco, Me. 1860 Census, Casco, Maine, Thomas is 64 years and Thankful is 68 years. Peter S. is 26 years. Lucy A. is 22 years. The 1870 and 1880 Census are within my paperwork, but not readily accessable. For those of the WRG who are attempting to solve the puzzle of Thomas G. Whitney, I hope this short summary of collected data adds to the edification and not confusion! Regards, Larry Tracy Jr. Kennebunkport, Maine