Tim and WRG This is called taking a 6th or 7th look. When Tim said he wasn't seeing what I was seeing I figured I had finally lost my mind. So I went back and reviewed again what I was looking at. Lo and behold - after about 10 minutes of additional scrutiny, and finding other pages that looked different, I saw that the microfilmed copy of the page with my ancestors was overlaid and the sheet was partially duplicated to the side. The top column identifiers are missing so I only counted across to fill in my copy. But, as I looked to see if it could be a case of the ink soaking through and making false hash marks, I began to see clearly that numbers were written identically and the tallies on the bottom of the page confirmed the number repetition/duplication. I swear, I looked at this over and over again, because I just could not reconcile all these slaves in Massachusetts. But I was not as observant as I should have been. I have not see this happen before where a portion of the page is copied a second time on the same microfilm and I was not looking for that as a possible explanation. From now on I will watch closer for that. But it appears that the people of Ashburnham were not slave holders and I am so very much relieved. And all those Whitneys that were neighbors to my Willards were not slave holders either. Tim - thanks for telling me that you didn't see this, because it made me look again and scrutinize what I was seeing. All is well in Ashburnham. Jo In a message dated 4/7/2007 3:11:29 P.M. Central Daylight Time, tim@greenscourt.com writes: Which Whitney and which column are you referring to? I'm not seeing this as I look at the online scans. I show that 1820 had 6 columns for free white males 5 columns for free white females 1 column for foreigners 1 column for those in agriculture 1 column for those in commerce 1 column for those in manufacturing 8 columns for slaves and 1 column for all others Send me the details of what you're seeing. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Hello WRG, I have been working on the census records for my entire database and for the first time came across something that stopped me in my tracks. Since there were many Whitneys in Ashburnham in the late 18th and early 19th century, I am hoping someone on the list can help me come to terms with this. Today, in the 1820 census for Ashburnham, I was disturbed to find that my 4th great grandmother's brothers that lived in Ashburnham all owned slaves. As I scrolled through, the census record showed that virtually everyone in the town owned slaves, including all the Whitneys. In the previous census records there were no slaves noted. 1790 - the slave column was blank for everyone in the town. In 1800 and in 1810, the column for slaves was left off the record, each contained 1 column less than the official form and no slaves were noted/ In the 1810 census, the column for "slaves" was left off the record... this was column number 12 and the pages only have 11 columns. The 1830 census images at Ancestry are incomplete. I have vital records for the town for that time frame but none of my family is there. However, glancing at the one page of records for Ashburnham I find that virtually everyone still owned slaves. Could it be that they just did not count the slaves? Or would they all of suddenly become slave owners between 1810 and 1820? In my research this is the first time I have found an ancestor that has owned slaves, at least clearly noted in black and white. How disconcerting and upsetting. And to find the entire town with slave ownership - in Massachusetts. Is anyone aware of other towns where this was the case? I am just a bit rattled... Jo H ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Jo: Which Whitney and which column are you referring to? I'm not seeing this as I look at the online scans. I show that 1820 had 6 columns for free white males 5 columns for free white females 1 column for foreigners 1 column for those in agriculture 1 column for those in commerce 1 column for those in manufacturing 8 columns for slaves and 1 column for all others Send me the details of what you're seeing. Tim > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: [WHITNEY] Ashburnham, MA > From: WhitPark@aol.com > Date: Sat, April 07, 2007 1:21 pm > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > > Hello WRG, > > I have been working on the census records for my entire database and > for the > first time came across something that stopped me in my tracks. Since > there > were many Whitneys in Ashburnham in the late 18th and early 19th > century, I > am hoping someone on the list can help me come to terms with this. > > Today, in the 1820 census for Ashburnham, I was disturbed to find that > my > 4th great grandmother's brothers that lived in Ashburnham all owned > slaves. As > I scrolled through, the census record showed that virtually everyone > in the > town owned slaves, including all the Whitneys. > In the previous census records there were no slaves noted. > 1790 - the slave column was blank for everyone in the town. > In 1800 and in 1810, the column for slaves was left off the record, > each > contained 1 column less than the official form and no slaves were > noted/ > In the 1810 census, the column for "slaves" was left off the record... > this > was column number 12 and the pages only have 11 columns. > The 1830 census images at Ancestry are incomplete. I have vital > records for > the town for that time frame but none of my family is there. However, > glancing at the one page of records for Ashburnham I find that > virtually everyone > still owned slaves. > > Could it be that they just did not count the slaves? Or would they > all of > suddenly become slave owners between 1810 and 1820? > > In my research this is the first time I have found an ancestor that has > owned slaves, at least clearly noted in black and white. How > disconcerting and > upsetting. > And to find the entire town with slave ownership - in Massachusetts. > Is > anyone aware of other towns where this was the case? > > I am just a bit rattled... > > Jo H > > > > ************************************** See what's free at > http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Which book on the Whitneys are you looking for ...the one by Melville or by Frederick Clifton Pierce? I know that the majority of Pierce's book has been transcribed online at the Whitney Research Group website. Excerpts from Melville's book can also be found at the Whitney Research Group. Pierce's book can be purchased from the New England Historical and Genealogical Society in Boston and probably Melville's book as well can be obtained from the Society. New England Historical Genealogical Society can be found online. I have an original copy of Pierce's book (pub. 1898) that my maternal grandmother purchased in Boston years ago and left it to me when she died. I am a descendant of John and Eleanor Whitney through 3 of their sons...Jonathan,John Jr. and Joshua. I would love to correspond with you and swap Whitney information. My e mail is neroots.noreen@gmail.com Noreen Maloney LaTour Burlington,Vermont On 3/31/07, Cecilia and Rich Reyes <rcreyes@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hi Carol, can you please send me the info also on the book. Thanks in > advance. > Cecilia Reyes > rcreyes@sbcglobal.net > > Gail Anderson <joelandgail@msn.com> wrote: > Hi, what is this Whitney book you are talking about. Can you email me the > title as well and what it covers I must have missed something. > > Thanks Gail > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Carol M. Simmons > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:29 PM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Whitney - Origins in Wales,England - book: Whitney > Families of... > > Hi, > > I'll email you directly with the name of a book company that can provide > you > > with a copy. I don't have any dealings with them other than being a > satisfied customer. They reproduce books that are no longer protected by > copyright laws and have several about the Whitneys. They are spiral bound > photocopies, just so you'll know. > > Carol > > BTW, the have the Melville book. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Whitney - Origins in Wales,England - book: Whitney > Families of... > > > > Hi, I live in Idaho, and am interested in this book, what do I type in > to > > get > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Ben: I saw your results posted yesterday and entered them into my spreadsheet here. I'll have a page for you added to the WRG website in the next few days with details. I can tell you at this time that you are almost certainly a descendant of the immigrant John Whitney. You match his "standard signature profile" in 64 out of 67 markers. Tim -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 12:08 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] DNA Project Update Tim Doyle & Whitney Keen: My DNA Results are in and posted on FamilyTreeDNA.com Is there a report that I should to give to WhitneyGen.org, or will you received the data automatically? I am eagerly awaiting the answer: Where I came from? Regards, Ben BenHWhitney Kit #82140 --- Tim Doyle <tim@greenscourt.com> wrote: > > Please let me know if you have any questions or > comments! > > Tim Doyle & > Whitney Keen > Whitney DNA Project Co-Administrators > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Melville, Pierce, and many, many other sources concerning the English origins of the Whitney family can be found on the Whitney Research Group website, located at http://wiki.whitneygen.org/. Also, you'll probably want to look at the family group pages that we have created which combine the best known information from all sources for many of these families. You can start your journey by selecting "John Whitney Family" under "Families", then selecting his family group page. You can do the same for the other immigrants as well. From those pages, you can traverse up and down the lineage. Most of the pages also have links back to our extracts of the source material as well. Tim Doyle -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noreen LaTour Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:53 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Whitney - Origins in Wales,England - book: Whitney Families of... Which book on the Whitneys are you looking for ...the one by Melville or by Frederick Clifton Pierce? I know that the majority of Pierce's book has been transcribed online at the Whitney Research Group website. Excerpts from Melville's book can also be found at the Whitney Research Group. Pierce's book can be purchased from the New England Historical and Genealogical Society in Boston and probably Melville's book as well can be obtained from the Society. New England Historical Genealogical Society can be found online. I have an original copy of Pierce's book (pub. 1898) that my maternal grandmother purchased in Boston years ago and left it to me when she died. I am a descendant of John and Eleanor Whitney through 3 of their sons...Jonathan,John Jr. and Joshua. I would love to correspond with you and swap Whitney information. My e mail is neroots.noreen@gmail.com Noreen Maloney LaTour Burlington,Vermont On 3/31/07, Cecilia and Rich Reyes <rcreyes@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > Hi Carol, can you please send me the info also on the book. Thanks in > advance. Cecilia Reyes > rcreyes@sbcglobal.net > > Gail Anderson <joelandgail@msn.com> wrote: > Hi, what is this Whitney book you are talking about. Can you email me > the title as well and what it covers I must have missed something. > > Thanks Gail > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > Behalf Of Carol M. Simmons > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 4:29 PM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Whitney - Origins in Wales,England - book: Whitney > Families of... > > Hi, > > I'll email you directly with the name of a book company that can > provide you > > with a copy. I don't have any dealings with them other than being a > satisfied customer. They reproduce books that are no longer protected > by copyright laws and have several about the Whitneys. They are spiral > bound photocopies, just so you'll know. > > Carol > > BTW, the have the Melville book. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2007 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Whitney - Origins in Wales,England - book: > Whitney Families of... > > > > Hi, I live in Idaho, and am interested in this book, what do I type > > in > to > > get > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have extracted the entries for various spelling variants of the surname Whitney from the National Archives (U.K.) "The Catalogue" and placed them on an index page on the website. I have sorted the list both by reference number and chronologically. I will continue to search other spelling variants as I think of them. The page can be viewed at http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php?title=Catalogue Interesting items found: At least two individuals, Alice de Wytteneye (c1272-1300) and John de Wytteneye (in 1334) appear to have taken their Whitney name from Witney, Oxford. We have stated on the website that we have found no individuals who took their surname from this town, which now appears to be false. Whether they had any descendants or not is another matter. C 241/45/200 references both Eustace and Alexander de Frevile and appears to be another document supporting the marriage of Eustace to his daughter Elizabeth. Who was John Whiteney, keeper of Sandwich Castle (Kent?) in 1404? The Whitneys appear to have been in Norton Canon as early as 1493-1500. There appear to be two documents mentioning Robert Whitney of Castleton - C 1/719/9 which we have a copy of and also C 1/1094/125. There are probably many more clues and surprises in this material. If you make any changes, please remember to make them to both the chronological and reference number entries. Tim
tim - what is the status on the archives records relating to robert of castleton - especially the one reed found - have you ordered them, are they still to be ordered? Tim Doyle <tim@greenscourt.com> wrote: I have extracted the entries for various spelling variants of the surname Whitney from the National Archives (U.K.) "The Catalogue" and placed them on an index page on the website. I have sorted the list both by reference number and chronologically. I will continue to search other spelling variants as I think of them. The page can be viewed at http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php?title=Catalogue Interesting items found: At least two individuals, Alice de Wytteneye (c1272-1300) and John de Wytteneye (in 1334) appear to have taken their Whitney name from Witney, Oxford. We have stated on the website that we have found no individuals who took their surname from this town, which now appears to be false. Whether they had any descendants or not is another matter. C 241/45/200 references both Eustace and Alexander de Frevile and appears to be another document supporting the marriage of Eustace to his daughter Elizabeth. Who was John Whiteney, keeper of Sandwich Castle (Kent?) in 1404? The Whitneys appear to have been in Norton Canon as early as 1493-1500. There appear to be two documents mentioning Robert Whitney of Castleton - C 1/719/9 which we have a copy of and also C 1/1094/125. There are probably many more clues and surprises in this material. If you make any changes, please remember to make them to both the chronological and reference number entries. Tim --------------------------------- Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. Check it out.
Tim Doyle & Whitney Keen: My DNA Results are in and posted on FamilyTreeDNA.com Is there a report that I should to give to WhitneyGen.org, or will you received the data automatically? I am eagerly awaiting the answer: Where I came from? Regards, Ben BenHWhitney Kit #82140 --- Tim Doyle <tim@greenscourt.com> wrote: > > Please let me know if you have any questions or > comments! > > Tim Doyle & > Whitney Keen > Whitney DNA Project Co-Administrators > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >
Got it. Lowell Whitney -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 11:31 AM To: nacogerry@hughes.net; whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] CAUTION on Herkmer and Herkimer Counties of New York This is a test need to check email out. Gail ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date: 4/4/2007 1:09 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.26/746 - Release Date: 4/4/2007 1:09 PM
Greetings Ben, My UserID on wiki.WhitneyGen.org is BenHWhitney, so I will henceforth sign my messages that way. It may not be good spelling, but it should identify origin. Regards, BenHWhitney --- Croxton <croxton@acadiacom.net> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B.A. Whitney" <jetjock1@adelphia.net> > To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:03 PM > Subject: [WHITNEY] For Benjamin Whitney > > > > Hi Ben. Just wanted you to know there are two of > us on this list. My "From" line will have B.A. Whitney in it and I > don't imagine there > > will be a problem figuring it out even though both > of us go by Ben. > > <g> > > > > And no, I'm not named for a Whitney, instead it's > my mother's father. > > > > Benjamin A. Whitney > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >
Greetings Ben, My UserID on wiki.WhitneyGen.org is BenHWhitney, so I will henceforth sign my messages that way. It may not be good spelling, but it should identify origin. Regards, BenHWhitney --- Croxton <croxton@acadiacom.net> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B.A. Whitney" <jetjock1@adelphia.net> > To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:03 PM > Subject: [WHITNEY] For Benjamin Whitney > > > > Hi Ben. Just wanted you to know there are two of > us on this list. My "From" line will have B.A. Whitney in it and I > don't imagine there > > will be a problem figuring it out even though both > of us go by Ben. > > <g> > > > > And no, I'm not named for a Whitney, instead it's > my mother's father. > > > > Benjamin A. Whitney > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >
----- Original Message ----- From: "B.A. Whitney" <jetjock1@adelphia.net> To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: [WHITNEY] For Benjamin Whitney > Hi Ben. Just wanted you to know there are two of us on this list. My > "From" line will have B.A. Whitney in it and I don't imagine there > will be a problem figuring it out even though both of us go by Ben. > <g> > > And no, I'm not named for a Whitney, instead it's my mother's father. > > Benjamin A. Whitney > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Ben. Just wanted you to know there are two of us on this list. My "From" line will have B.A. Whitney in it and I don't imagine there will be a problem figuring it out even though both of us go by Ben. <g> And no, I'm not named for a Whitney, instead it's my mother's father. Benjamin A. Whitney
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Gail: It worked. Ben --- Gail Anderson <joelandgail@msn.com> wrote: > This is a test need to check email out. > Gail > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >
On this subject there are two other counties in the sane area that have this same situation. Cayuga and Ontario. In particular the Cayuga County NY town of Semipronious was divided into three other counties in a period of about ten years. And Ontario County NY was the parent of about thirteen other counties. Ontario at the time mentioned in the original message of this thread was everything West of the Pre-emption line. Thus, almost all western ounties were part of it. The "Guide to the US Federal Census" mapbook tells it all. And the Gazateer by French has a lot of information on this topic. Gerry
WRG members and Tim Doyle, I wanted to bring to the attention of researchers in New York in circa of 1800, that often the counties changed boundaries. Much of this happened in and around the Military Tract of New York the area called the Finger Lakes area. The largest obstacle to me had been the reference to Herimer County and that is nearly 100 miles east of the Military Tract that was called Herkmer County in about 1793 and for about 3 years. I looked for a long time in the wrong area, until finding an early map showing the Herkmer County. What brought this to my attention again was WRG listing on Noah Hutchins b. 27 Mar 1758. In the 4th paragraph, 3/4 of the way down reads "They moved soon after to Herkimer County, New York. Silas died before 1800, leaving Lydia a widow with three young sons. Lydia married her second husband, Noah Hutchins of Schuyler, New York, who was a widower." This is the area, Schuyler Co.,that could have been Tompkins Co., or the ominous Herkmer Co. and depending the year could have been two other counties. When searching in this area know the year exact and hope the person knew the correct situation when it occurred and reported it correctly. Get local help when you can and then double check that. Good Hunting Gerald E. Whitney gwhitney@alltel.net
Gerald, Thanks for sharing the information. Can you tell me more about this Silas who died in 1800 leaving Lydia a widow? I also have a Silas in New York in the Finger lakes are that we are unable to pin down. Do you know where he came from and if he is related to John and Elinor? Thank for any help you can give. Gail Anderson -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gerald E. Whitney Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 8:51 AM To: Whitney-L Subject: [WHITNEY] CAUTION on Herkmer and Herkimer Counties of New York WRG members and Tim Doyle, I wanted to bring to the attention of researchers in New York in circa of 1800, that often the counties changed boundaries. Much of this happened in and around the Military Tract of New York the area called the Finger Lakes area. The largest obstacle to me had been the reference to Herimer County and that is nearly 100 miles east of the Military Tract that was called Herkmer County in about 1793 and for about 3 years. I looked for a long time in the wrong area, until finding an early map showing the Herkmer County. What brought this to my attention again was WRG listing on Noah Hutchins b. 27 Mar 1758. In the 4th paragraph, 3/4 of the way down reads "They moved soon after to Herkimer County, New York. Silas died before 1800, leaving Lydia a widow with three young sons. Lydia married her second husband, Noah Hutchins of Schuyler, New York, who was a widower." This is the area, Schuyler Co.,that could have been Tompkins Co., or the ominous Herkmer Co. and depending the year could have been two other counties. When searching in this area know the year exact and hope the person knew the correct situation when it occurred and reported it correctly. Get local help when you can and then double check that. Good Hunting Gerald E. Whitney gwhitney@alltel.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
All, At 01:15 PM 3/31/2007, Farns10th@aol.com wrote: >Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the State of >Massachusetts >by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams. > >WHITNEY. > >Page Ii MASSACHUSETTS. >... Thanks for the "heads-up" on this article. >The full Whitney file from Bond's Watertown - sent on request to me >farns10th@aol.com Transcripts of the Whitney parts of Bond's Watertown are on the WRG web site. See this URL: http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Archive:Early_Settlers_of_Watertown%2C_Massachusetts Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Rlward