Most of these are from the Vermont Town records as found at Ancestry.com -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:08 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 Hi James I have made you a couple of CD's with documents on them. I hope you can open word documents. Some are PDF's Let me know. I need your address. I will send them tomorrow. Where did these records come from and where can I find them do you know? Gail Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Whitney Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:33 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 Yes, I would highly desire the Silas Whitney Rev. war records. The town mentioned in the last record is Chittenden, Vermont. Do you know anything about Silas Whitney's wife-Ester Weeks? James E. Whitney,II email jameswhitney1716@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:42 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 Hi James, I just got results back on a cousin of Larry's. You may have noticed a 3 step mutation on marker DYS 413a on the DNA chart for Larry. This has been a problem while using the "stepwise model" that FamilyTreeDNA uses because it counts it as 3 mutations instead of one mutation. The infinite allele model just counts it as a one step mutation. So, that makes too many mutations for us to be related in an important genealogical time frame. However, by testing another male cousin we discovered that he does not have this 3 step mutation. According to Bennett Greenspan this mutation had to occur with the grandfather of both the cousins or the father of Larry. So that makes us have only one mutation at DYS534. Now we, (you and I) match more closely. You have 2 mutations at DYS 464b and DYS 557, add that to our one mutation and that makes 3 mutations between us. That equates to a 69.18% probability that we are related within 8 generations which puts us at Silas Sr. If we add in a paper trail and recalculate the generations our probability number goes down. So at a 3 step mutation we need more documentation. We have learned some things in the last month or so. A cousin has determined that the Canandaigua, Ontario County, New York, Silas Whitney is not from the 1762 Vermont Silas Whitney Sr. line. We are extending the 12 marker test of a descendant of that line to see if our DNA profile matches. So... If our DNA matches this person's then we do not belong to the 1762 Vermont Silas Whitney line. However, it does not appear that the New York Silas had a son named Silas, and since we know that we are a descendant of Silas Newcomb Whitney of Canandaigua of New York, we may not match. I will be surprised if it does. If our DNA does not match it appears that our closest match so far is Silas Jr. of Vermont. I have a perfect match With Lowell Thomas Whitney who traces his family to Ohio. His family record has it that the father of this Ohio ancestor was born in New York, so there may be clues there. I about 4 week we will know whether or not we are linked to the older New York, Silas Whitney. It appears that the Silas Whitney in the 1820 Census in Canandaigua and the 1762 Silas Jr. of Vermont are not the same person. I have some Revolutionary war records of Silas Sr. and Silas Jr. of Vermont. I can send you copies of those as there are several entries and a connection with Peter Powers and a Cyrus Chipman who do move to Ontario County New York along with Jarameal Powers father of Peter. So I still think there is a New York connection with the Vermont 1762 Silas but as of yet cannot prove it. I also have a transcript of a petition of these men to governor Clinton of N.Y. for redress of lost land due to their support of N.Y. in the border dispute of New York and Vermont. As of yet I don't know if they were given land in New York to replace their losses. I am working on pulling this together and will send it to you when I have finished it. I am interested in the last paragraph of your letter Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 I couldn't fin a Chittenden in PA. There is one in Vermont, which records does this entry refer to. Do you have anymore details on this? I look forward to comparing more information as we gather it. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Whitney Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:13 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 GailandLarry: I see where you have your 67 marker DNA results. Looks like we link to Silas Whitney. What records do you have on your Silas Whitney,Jr.? My data on Silas, Jr. is as follows: Shown on pay rolls serving with Capt. Salisbury's co. in the Rev. war -first service Oct. 17, 1777. Revolutionary Soldiers in Vermont WHITNEY, Silas, Jr, VT; r Clarendon; Capt Salisbury's co 1777; 41, p 58. ----------------- Mass. Town Birth Records Name: Silas WHITNEY Birth Date: Aug. 15, 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's Name: Silas Sex: M This may be the birth registration of Silas, Jr. It was common for the births to be recorded weeks after the event. Name: Silas Whitney Birth Date: 15 Aug 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's First Name: Silas Gender: Male Source: Vital Records of Rutland ----------------- Index to the 1820 Census for Ontario County, NY WHITNEY SILAS CANANDAIGUA 222 ---------------------- Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 Do you have anything else? Sincerely James E. Whitney,II Family Search ID-PR227 -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:23 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website I think your right Rose Zella. Thanks for responding so we know we are still connected. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rose Zella Proctor Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:47 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website Do you think maybe everyone just has spring fever? Out here in Wyoming its crazy. Moher's Day it was near 90 degrees. Got up the next morning to 54 degrees. That just takes the sap out of you and seems there is freaky weather all over. So all you Whitney relatives take care and we will soon find something interesting in our family tree again. Rose Zella On May 16, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Gail Anderson wrote: > Hi Ben, > > I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us > alive and > kicking. Anybody? Anybody? > > Gail > P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had > the > foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > > Greetings, > > Is [WHITNEY] still working? > Or, have I been purged? > Speak to me, somebody! > > Regards, > Ben > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi James I have made you a couple of CD's with documents on them. I hope you can open word documents. Some are PDF's Let me know. I need your address. I will send them tomorrow. Where did these records come from and where can I find them do you know? Gail Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Whitney Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:33 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 Yes, I would highly desire the Silas Whitney Rev. war records. The town mentioned in the last record is Chittenden, Vermont. Do you know anything about Silas Whitney's wife-Ester Weeks? James E. Whitney,II email jameswhitney1716@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:42 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 Hi James, I just got results back on a cousin of Larry's. You may have noticed a 3 step mutation on marker DYS 413a on the DNA chart for Larry. This has been a problem while using the "stepwise model" that FamilyTreeDNA uses because it counts it as 3 mutations instead of one mutation. The infinite allele model just counts it as a one step mutation. So, that makes too many mutations for us to be related in an important genealogical time frame. However, by testing another male cousin we discovered that he does not have this 3 step mutation. According to Bennett Greenspan this mutation had to occur with the grandfather of both the cousins or the father of Larry. So that makes us have only one mutation at DYS534. Now we, (you and I) match more closely. You have 2 mutations at DYS 464b and DYS 557, add that to our one mutation and that makes 3 mutations between us. That equates to a 69.18% probability that we are related within 8 generations which puts us at Silas Sr. If we add in a paper trail and recalculate the generations our probability number goes down. So at a 3 step mutation we need more documentation. We have learned some things in the last month or so. A cousin has determined that the Canandaigua, Ontario County, New York, Silas Whitney is not from the 1762 Vermont Silas Whitney Sr. line. We are extending the 12 marker test of a descendant of that line to see if our DNA profile matches. So... If our DNA matches this person's then we do not belong to the 1762 Vermont Silas Whitney line. However, it does not appear that the New York Silas had a son named Silas, and since we know that we are a descendant of Silas Newcomb Whitney of Canandaigua of New York, we may not match. I will be surprised if it does. If our DNA does not match it appears that our closest match so far is Silas Jr. of Vermont. I have a perfect match With Lowell Thomas Whitney who traces his family to Ohio. His family record has it that the father of this Ohio ancestor was born in New York, so there may be clues there. I about 4 week we will know whether or not we are linked to the older New York, Silas Whitney. It appears that the Silas Whitney in the 1820 Census in Canandaigua and the 1762 Silas Jr. of Vermont are not the same person. I have some Revolutionary war records of Silas Sr. and Silas Jr. of Vermont. I can send you copies of those as there are several entries and a connection with Peter Powers and a Cyrus Chipman who do move to Ontario County New York along with Jarameal Powers father of Peter. So I still think there is a New York connection with the Vermont 1762 Silas but as of yet cannot prove it. I also have a transcript of a petition of these men to governor Clinton of N.Y. for redress of lost land due to their support of N.Y. in the border dispute of New York and Vermont. As of yet I don't know if they were given land in New York to replace their losses. I am working on pulling this together and will send it to you when I have finished it. I am interested in the last paragraph of your letter Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 I couldn't fin a Chittenden in PA. There is one in Vermont, which records does this entry refer to. Do you have anymore details on this? I look forward to comparing more information as we gather it. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Whitney Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:13 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 GailandLarry: I see where you have your 67 marker DNA results. Looks like we link to Silas Whitney. What records do you have on your Silas Whitney,Jr.? My data on Silas, Jr. is as follows: Shown on pay rolls serving with Capt. Salisbury's co. in the Rev. war -first service Oct. 17, 1777. Revolutionary Soldiers in Vermont WHITNEY, Silas, Jr, VT; r Clarendon; Capt Salisbury's co 1777; 41, p 58. ----------------- Mass. Town Birth Records Name: Silas WHITNEY Birth Date: Aug. 15, 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's Name: Silas Sex: M This may be the birth registration of Silas, Jr. It was common for the births to be recorded weeks after the event. Name: Silas Whitney Birth Date: 15 Aug 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's First Name: Silas Gender: Male Source: Vital Records of Rutland ----------------- Index to the 1820 Census for Ontario County, NY WHITNEY SILAS CANANDAIGUA 222 ---------------------- Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 Do you have anything else? Sincerely James E. Whitney,II Family Search ID-PR227 -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:23 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website I think your right Rose Zella. Thanks for responding so we know we are still connected. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rose Zella Proctor Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:47 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website Do you think maybe everyone just has spring fever? Out here in Wyoming its crazy. Moher's Day it was near 90 degrees. Got up the next morning to 54 degrees. That just takes the sap out of you and seems there is freaky weather all over. So all you Whitney relatives take care and we will soon find something interesting in our family tree again. Rose Zella On May 16, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Gail Anderson wrote: > Hi Ben, > > I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us > alive and > kicking. Anybody? Anybody? > > Gail > P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had > the > foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > > Greetings, > > Is [WHITNEY] still working? > Or, have I been purged? > Speak to me, somebody! > > Regards, > Ben > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Yes, I would highly desire the Silas Whitney Rev. war records. The town mentioned in the last record is Chittenden, Vermont. Do you know anything about Silas Whitney's wife-Ester Weeks? James E. Whitney,II email jameswhitney1716@comcast.net -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Saturday, May 19, 2007 9:42 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 Hi James, I just got results back on a cousin of Larry's. You may have noticed a 3 step mutation on marker DYS 413a on the DNA chart for Larry. This has been a problem while using the "stepwise model" that FamilyTreeDNA uses because it counts it as 3 mutations instead of one mutation. The infinite allele model just counts it as a one step mutation. So, that makes too many mutations for us to be related in an important genealogical time frame. However, by testing another male cousin we discovered that he does not have this 3 step mutation. According to Bennett Greenspan this mutation had to occur with the grandfather of both the cousins or the father of Larry. So that makes us have only one mutation at DYS534. Now we, (you and I) match more closely. You have 2 mutations at DYS 464b and DYS 557, add that to our one mutation and that makes 3 mutations between us. That equates to a 69.18% probability that we are related within 8 generations which puts us at Silas Sr. If we add in a paper trail and recalculate the generations our probability number goes down. So at a 3 step mutation we need more documentation. We have learned some things in the last month or so. A cousin has determined that the Canandaigua, Ontario County, New York, Silas Whitney is not from the 1762 Vermont Silas Whitney Sr. line. We are extending the 12 marker test of a descendant of that line to see if our DNA profile matches. So... If our DNA matches this person's then we do not belong to the 1762 Vermont Silas Whitney line. However, it does not appear that the New York Silas had a son named Silas, and since we know that we are a descendant of Silas Newcomb Whitney of Canandaigua of New York, we may not match. I will be surprised if it does. If our DNA does not match it appears that our closest match so far is Silas Jr. of Vermont. I have a perfect match With Lowell Thomas Whitney who traces his family to Ohio. His family record has it that the father of this Ohio ancestor was born in New York, so there may be clues there. I about 4 week we will know whether or not we are linked to the older New York, Silas Whitney. It appears that the Silas Whitney in the 1820 Census in Canandaigua and the 1762 Silas Jr. of Vermont are not the same person. I have some Revolutionary war records of Silas Sr. and Silas Jr. of Vermont. I can send you copies of those as there are several entries and a connection with Peter Powers and a Cyrus Chipman who do move to Ontario County New York along with Jarameal Powers father of Peter. So I still think there is a New York connection with the Vermont 1762 Silas but as of yet cannot prove it. I also have a transcript of a petition of these men to governor Clinton of N.Y. for redress of lost land due to their support of N.Y. in the border dispute of New York and Vermont. As of yet I don't know if they were given land in New York to replace their losses. I am working on pulling this together and will send it to you when I have finished it. I am interested in the last paragraph of your letter Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 I couldn't fin a Chittenden in PA. There is one in Vermont, which records does this entry refer to. Do you have anymore details on this? I look forward to comparing more information as we gather it. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Whitney Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:13 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 GailandLarry: I see where you have your 67 marker DNA results. Looks like we link to Silas Whitney. What records do you have on your Silas Whitney,Jr.? My data on Silas, Jr. is as follows: Shown on pay rolls serving with Capt. Salisbury's co. in the Rev. war -first service Oct. 17, 1777. Revolutionary Soldiers in Vermont WHITNEY, Silas, Jr, VT; r Clarendon; Capt Salisbury's co 1777; 41, p 58. ----------------- Mass. Town Birth Records Name: Silas WHITNEY Birth Date: Aug. 15, 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's Name: Silas Sex: M This may be the birth registration of Silas, Jr. It was common for the births to be recorded weeks after the event. Name: Silas Whitney Birth Date: 15 Aug 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's First Name: Silas Gender: Male Source: Vital Records of Rutland ----------------- Index to the 1820 Census for Ontario County, NY WHITNEY SILAS CANANDAIGUA 222 ---------------------- Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 Do you have anything else? Sincerely James E. Whitney,II Family Search ID-PR227 -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:23 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website I think your right Rose Zella. Thanks for responding so we know we are still connected. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rose Zella Proctor Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:47 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website Do you think maybe everyone just has spring fever? Out here in Wyoming its crazy. Moher's Day it was near 90 degrees. Got up the next morning to 54 degrees. That just takes the sap out of you and seems there is freaky weather all over. So all you Whitney relatives take care and we will soon find something interesting in our family tree again. Rose Zella On May 16, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Gail Anderson wrote: > Hi Ben, > > I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us > alive and > kicking. Anybody? Anybody? > > Gail > P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had > the > foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > > Greetings, > > Is [WHITNEY] still working? > Or, have I been purged? > Speak to me, somebody! > > Regards, > Ben > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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Hi James, I just got results back on a cousin of Larry's. You may have noticed a 3 step mutation on marker DYS 413a on the DNA chart for Larry. This has been a problem while using the "stepwise model" that FamilyTreeDNA uses because it counts it as 3 mutations instead of one mutation. The infinite allele model just counts it as a one step mutation. So, that makes too many mutations for us to be related in an important genealogical time frame. However, by testing another male cousin we discovered that he does not have this 3 step mutation. According to Bennett Greenspan this mutation had to occur with the grandfather of both the cousins or the father of Larry. So that makes us have only one mutation at DYS534. Now we, (you and I) match more closely. You have 2 mutations at DYS 464b and DYS 557, add that to our one mutation and that makes 3 mutations between us. That equates to a 69.18% probability that we are related within 8 generations which puts us at Silas Sr. If we add in a paper trail and recalculate the generations our probability number goes down. So at a 3 step mutation we need more documentation. We have learned some things in the last month or so. A cousin has determined that the Canandaigua, Ontario County, New York, Silas Whitney is not from the 1762 Vermont Silas Whitney Sr. line. We are extending the 12 marker test of a descendant of that line to see if our DNA profile matches. So... If our DNA matches this person's then we do not belong to the 1762 Vermont Silas Whitney line. However, it does not appear that the New York Silas had a son named Silas, and since we know that we are a descendant of Silas Newcomb Whitney of Canandaigua of New York, we may not match. I will be surprised if it does. If our DNA does not match it appears that our closest match so far is Silas Jr. of Vermont. I have a perfect match With Lowell Thomas Whitney who traces his family to Ohio. His family record has it that the father of this Ohio ancestor was born in New York, so there may be clues there. I about 4 week we will know whether or not we are linked to the older New York, Silas Whitney. It appears that the Silas Whitney in the 1820 Census in Canandaigua and the 1762 Silas Jr. of Vermont are not the same person. I have some Revolutionary war records of Silas Sr. and Silas Jr. of Vermont. I can send you copies of those as there are several entries and a connection with Peter Powers and a Cyrus Chipman who do move to Ontario County New York along with Jarameal Powers father of Peter. So I still think there is a New York connection with the Vermont 1762 Silas but as of yet cannot prove it. I also have a transcript of a petition of these men to governor Clinton of N.Y. for redress of lost land due to their support of N.Y. in the border dispute of New York and Vermont. As of yet I don't know if they were given land in New York to replace their losses. I am working on pulling this together and will send it to you when I have finished it. I am interested in the last paragraph of your letter Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 I couldn't fin a Chittenden in PA. There is one in Vermont, which records does this entry refer to. Do you have anymore details on this? I look forward to comparing more information as we gather it. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of James Whitney Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:13 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney,Jr. born 1762 GailandLarry: I see where you have your 67 marker DNA results. Looks like we link to Silas Whitney. What records do you have on your Silas Whitney,Jr.? My data on Silas, Jr. is as follows: Shown on pay rolls serving with Capt. Salisbury's co. in the Rev. war -first service Oct. 17, 1777. Revolutionary Soldiers in Vermont WHITNEY, Silas, Jr, VT; r Clarendon; Capt Salisbury's co 1777; 41, p 58. ----------------- Mass. Town Birth Records Name: Silas WHITNEY Birth Date: Aug. 15, 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's Name: Silas Sex: M This may be the birth registration of Silas, Jr. It was common for the births to be recorded weeks after the event. Name: Silas Whitney Birth Date: 15 Aug 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's First Name: Silas Gender: Male Source: Vital Records of Rutland ----------------- Index to the 1820 Census for Ontario County, NY WHITNEY SILAS CANANDAIGUA 222 ---------------------- Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 Do you have anything else? Sincerely James E. Whitney,II Family Search ID-PR227 -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:23 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website I think your right Rose Zella. Thanks for responding so we know we are still connected. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rose Zella Proctor Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:47 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website Do you think maybe everyone just has spring fever? Out here in Wyoming its crazy. Moher's Day it was near 90 degrees. Got up the next morning to 54 degrees. That just takes the sap out of you and seems there is freaky weather all over. So all you Whitney relatives take care and we will soon find something interesting in our family tree again. Rose Zella On May 16, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Gail Anderson wrote: > Hi Ben, > > I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us > alive and > kicking. Anybody? Anybody? > > Gail > P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had > the > foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > > Greetings, > > Is [WHITNEY] still working? > Or, have I been purged? > Speak to me, somebody! > > Regards, > Ben > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

GailandLarry: I see where you have your 67 marker DNA results. Looks like we link to Silas Whitney. What records do you have on your Silas Whitney,Jr.? My data on Silas, Jr. is as follows: Shown on pay rolls serving with Capt. Salisbury's co. in the Rev. war -first service Oct. 17, 1777. Revolutionary Soldiers in Vermont WHITNEY, Silas, Jr, VT; r Clarendon; Capt Salisbury's co 1777; 41, p 58. ----------------- Mass. Town Birth Records Name: Silas WHITNEY Birth Date: Aug. 15, 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's Name: Silas Sex: M This may be the birth registration of Silas, Jr. It was common for the births to be recorded weeks after the event. Name: Silas Whitney Birth Date: 15 Aug 1762 Birth Place: Rutland Father's First Name: Silas Gender: Male Source: Vital Records of Rutland ----------------- Index to the 1820 Census for Ontario County, NY WHITNEY SILAS CANANDAIGUA 222 ---------------------- Whitney, Silas, Jr. Resident of: Name as recorded: Whitney, Silas, Jr. Petition from Philadelphia (Chittenden) and Chittenden to establish the ancient town lines. Record Date: 1788-09-23 Series: SE-118 Record Type: Petition Volume: 22 Record ID: 16817 Page: 172 Do you have anything else? Sincerely James E. Whitney,II Family Search ID-PR227 -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:23 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website I think your right Rose Zella. Thanks for responding so we know we are still connected. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rose Zella Proctor Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:47 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website Do you think maybe everyone just has spring fever? Out here in Wyoming its crazy. Moher's Day it was near 90 degrees. Got up the next morning to 54 degrees. That just takes the sap out of you and seems there is freaky weather all over. So all you Whitney relatives take care and we will soon find something interesting in our family tree again. Rose Zella On May 16, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Gail Anderson wrote: > Hi Ben, > > I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us > alive and > kicking. Anybody? Anybody? > > Gail > P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had > the > foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > > Greetings, > > Is [WHITNEY] still working? > Or, have I been purged? > Speak to me, somebody! > > Regards, > Ben > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.3/809 - Release Date: 5/17/2007 5:18 PM

The weather up here in Ohio has been cooler than normal this spring. Got the garden in though. I figured that everyone has been busy with spring stuff to do. Stay well everyone. harrisopfer@windstream.net

Haven't seen much of you on this site for some time. Hope all is well William Whitney Email: wwhitney5@gmail.com Web: www.Portfolios.com/wwhitney 248.433.5577 VIRUS SCANNED PRIOR TO TRANSMISSION ----- Original Message ---- From: Whitney A. Talcott <wtalcott@sbcglobal.net> To: whitney@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:32:13 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website Hello Whitneys.... I hear voices. Whitney A. Talcott, ASLA LEED AP Post Box 4027 Old Lyme, CT 06371 Tel: (860) 434-8965 Mobile:(860) 227-1691 wtalcott@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:26 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website Hi Ben, I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us alive and kicking. Anybody? Anybody? Gail P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had the foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Website Greetings, Is [WHITNEY] still working? Or, have I been purged? Speak to me, somebody! Regards, Ben ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date: 5/16/2007 6:05 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC

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Do you think maybe everyone just has spring fever? Out here in Wyoming its crazy. Moher's Day it was near 90 degrees. Got up the next morning to 54 degrees. That just takes the sap out of you and seems there is freaky weather all over. So all you Whitney relatives take care and we will soon find something interesting in our family tree again. Rose Zella On May 16, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Gail Anderson wrote: > Hi Ben, > > I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us > alive and > kicking. Anybody? Anybody? > > Gail > P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had > the > foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > > Greetings, > > Is [WHITNEY] still working? > Or, have I been purged? > Speak to me, somebody! > > Regards, > Ben > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think your right Rose Zella. Thanks for responding so we know we are still connected. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rose Zella Proctor Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 7:47 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website Do you think maybe everyone just has spring fever? Out here in Wyoming its crazy. Moher's Day it was near 90 degrees. Got up the next morning to 54 degrees. That just takes the sap out of you and seems there is freaky weather all over. So all you Whitney relatives take care and we will soon find something interesting in our family tree again. Rose Zella On May 16, 2007, at 7:26 PM, Gail Anderson wrote: > Hi Ben, > > I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us > alive and > kicking. Anybody? Anybody? > > Gail > P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had > the > foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > > Greetings, > > Is [WHITNEY] still working? > Or, have I been purged? > Speak to me, somebody! > > Regards, > Ben > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I've noticed over the last several years that there are times when conversation is pretty sparse. Don't worry. The cousins are alive and kickin' . from, Carolyn Whitney Branagan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Croxton" <croxton@acadiacom.net> To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website > Far as I know, Whitney is still functioning. - Robert C. Whitney, List > Adm. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Benjamin Whitney" <bhwhitney@sbcglobal.net> > To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:20 PM > Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > > >> Greetings, >> >> Is [WHITNEY] still working? >> Or, have I been purged? >> Speak to me, somebody! >> >> Regards, >> Ben >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Whitneys.... I hear voices. Whitney A. Talcott, ASLA LEED AP Post Box 4027 Old Lyme, CT 06371 Tel: (860) 434-8965 Mobile:(860) 227-1691 wtalcott@sbcglobal.net -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:26 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Website Hi Ben, I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us alive and kicking. Anybody? Anybody? Gail P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had the foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Website Greetings, Is [WHITNEY] still working? Or, have I been purged? Speak to me, somebody! Regards, Ben ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.1/807 - Release Date: 5/16/2007 6:05 PM

Far as I know, Whitney is still functioning. - Robert C. Whitney, List Adm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Whitney" <bhwhitney@sbcglobal.net> To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > Greetings, > > Is [WHITNEY] still working? > Or, have I been purged? > Speak to me, somebody! > > Regards, > Ben > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ben, I have been wondering the same thing. There are at least two of us alive and kicking. Anybody? Anybody? Gail P.S. I got some really good DNA news. I am so happy for who ever had the foresight to do the surname Test. Thank you, Thank you Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Benjamin Whitney Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 3:21 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Website Greetings, Is [WHITNEY] still working? Or, have I been purged? Speak to me, somebody! Regards, Ben ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I hear you > [Original Message] > From: Benjamin Whitney <bhwhitney@sbcglobal.net> > To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> > Date: 5/16/2007 4:21:15 PM > Subject: [WHITNEY] Website > > Greetings, > > Is [WHITNEY] still working? > Or, have I been purged? > Speak to me, somebody! > > Regards, > Ben > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'll be out of the office from May 14 thru May 24. Lowell

Greetings, Is [WHITNEY] still working? Or, have I been purged? Speak to me, somebody! Regards, Ben

Subject: Samuel Austin Whitney Source: History of Castine, Penobscot & Brooksville, Maine, Including the Ancient Settlement of Pentagoet by George Augustus Wheeler. p.231 Samuel Austin Whitney, 9th child of Samuel & Abigail Whitney, was born at Concord, Mass., Sept. 27, 1770. The most active part of his life was spent on the ocean. He was noted for his intrepidity, contempt of danger, and perseverance. His indifference to danger amounted almost to rashness. On the 4th of July, happening to pass where a man, torch in hand, was stand- ing by a loaded cannon, he asked him why he delayed firing it. The man re- plied that it was loaded to the muzzle and no one dared to fire it. Whitney took the match, touched the fuze and the gun burst. He was carried home, senseless, his flesh filled with atoms of powder and his nose broken. His exploits in the re-capture of the ship, Hiram, have already been narrated. Captain Whitney was married July 28, 1801, to Miss Ruth Perkins of this town. In 1802, he moved to Lincolnville, Maine, where he died October 15, 1846, aged seventy-six years. His wife died at Waldoboro, Maine, Sept. 15, 1849. They had five children, the descendants of whom, many of them reside here. Subject: Samuel Austin Whitney Source: History of Castine, Penobscot & Brooksville, Maine by George Augustus Wheeler. p.95 Capt. Samuel Austin Whitney, was captured four times by the French. In the year 1810, the schooner, Abigail, Capt. John Perkins, was also taken by the cruisers of the same nation. The account of the third capture of the ship Hiram, in a book entitled, "Incidents in the Life of Samuel Austin Whitney, pp. 37 to 41, of Appendix, is so interesting that we give it entire: "On the 13th of September, 1800, the Hiram was taken by a French armed vessel. By dint of long persuasion, the Frenchmen were prevailed upon to allow Captain Whitney to stay by his vessel, together with his young brother, Henry Whitney, also an old man and a boy. They put a prize-master and nine men on board. One of whom was a negro. Captain Whitney had secured his pistols in a crate. When his companions saw him putting out of the way, every article that could be used as a weapon, clearing up decks and making everything tidy, they concluded that ere long they should be called upon to bear a hand; and in this way they were not disappointed. The prize-master was lying on the hen-coop, dozing; there was a light wind and some of the crew chanced to be in the forecastle. Captain Whitney went below, after placing the heavers where he could see them, and took his rusty pistols from the crate. He came on deck, went directly aft, and knocked down the man who was steering. He next grappled the prize-master, lying upon the hen-coop, who proved too stout for him - and while he was trying to put him overboard, the men below heard the outcry and ran to the rescue. As the ship rolled at that moment, he pushed the prize-master overboard and regained his footing jsut as the crew reached the quarterdeck. He then drew his pistol, saying that he would shoot the first man that came another inch aft, and leveled a blow with his fist at the leader, who ran forward, the rest following. Captain Whitney, at their heels with a hammer in one hand and a pistol in the other. They ran forward around the long boat and so aft, and as often as they turned, he would point the pistol, saying: "Surrender, and I will use you well; resist, and I will shoot."The men ran into the cabin; and so terrified were they, that Capt. Whitney, who followed them in, seized a chest by the handle, and drew it clear to the deck of the ship. He afterwards remarked: "I never could tell how it was done, for it was very heavy." Having landed it on the deck, the first thing that met his eye, was the man he had thrown overboard, who had just regained the deck and stabbed his brother, Henry Whitney, with a dirk. He said to the old man, 'Stop that fellow;' and himself dealt a blow which so staggered him, that he was Whitney was able to put him into the cabin with the others - now eight in all. Poor Henry Whitney was in a sad state, faint with loss of blood, and no means of stopping it at hand; but the Whitney courage never failed him. His brother took some oakum, and bound it over the place made by the knife, and, carrying him to the forecastle, laid him down beside a lot of bottles. He stationed the old man at the companion-way, also with several bottles - to be used in case of resistance. He then ordered the men up, one by one, and they were all put down into the ship's forecastle. Having secured his prisoners, his next thought was for his young brother, who had gone below, and seemed to be comfortable; but in three days he was very ill. On examining the wound, it proved to be very badly gangrened, and Capt. Whitney was certain he must lose him; but all he could or did do, was to keep the wound wet with brandy, until Henry was convalescent. Captain Whitney had possession of his ship ten days; and during that time, and until he was again captured, he passed all the food to the crew through a hole which had been made for a funnel, when, on his previous voyage, he carried passengers forward. He and the man handled the heavy canvass, so that the ship was under easy way. About nine o'clock in the morning, his man, then at the helm, discovered a sail, bearing directly for them, but a long distance off. He called Captain Whitney, who, after watching the stranger for some time with his glass, said, "We will keep on our course; I have no doubt it is a French Man-of-War." When within a mile of her Captain Whitney took the helm and sent the man below. They were soon p.97 BROOKSVILLE AND PENOBSCOT. within speaking distance, when he ordered to send his boat on board; but he took no notice of the privateer, which had shot ahead, rounded to, and run across the stern of the Hiram, quite near, hailing 'Send your boat on board of us." After tampering with his pursuers in this way for some time, they fired on him; but he still kept on his course; they backing, filling, chasing and firing, till finally, the wind dying almost entirely away, they ran so near as to inquire what he meant to do. He had no colors flying. He replied that he was along, and could not leave his ship; and if they wanted anything of him, they must come and see him; at which they asked him to heve back his topsail. He called this man, and hove the ship to, and a boat was sent to him, the French captain, who spoke English, coming himself. A long discussion ensued between Captain Whitney and the French commander, who, at first, was incredulous at his statement; but, while they were talking, some of the boat's crew went to the forecastle and set the prisoners free. The prize- master soon told the whole story, where upon the French captain exclaimed, "Sacre, one man take nine." The prize-master entreated them to spare him. It was morti- fying enough to be taken, but he did not wish to hear about it. It was a long time before Captain Whitney could persuade them to let him remain by the ship. He urged upon them the unfairness of taking him away, as they might fall in with an English cruiser and in that case he would be on the spot to claim his property. At last they consented and to let Henry Whitney stop with him; but his man was taken on board their vessel. He belonged in Newport, and was living at the time Capt. Henry Whitney told of these transactions. They put on board the shi, Hiram, a lieutenant and eighteen men. Captain Whitney's first work now was to destroy or put out of order, all their nautical instruments. His own quandrant he was master of himself, and kept a dead reckoning, so that he knew something of their position. After sailing about a week, the crew grew uneasy and the officers lost confidence in themselves, and applied to their prisoner to navigate the ship. He told them that he would do so, and gave them his word that he would do all in his power that they should be well treated! Finally they gave him command. He shaped his course for Savannah as nearly as he could and in a few days had p.98 HISTORY OF CASTINE. the inexpressible joy of seeing the land and feeling the land breeze. Said he: 'In twenty-four hours I should have been in, had not the lieutenant called the men aft, and telling them what an everlasting disgrace it would be to him per- suaded them to let him again have command.' Twice they foiled him in this way. Twice he had made his port, and twice they took all hope from him; and when they turned from land the second time, he told them in pretty strong language that they might take the ship and go to perdition, for he would have no more to do with them; and then he went below. 'In a day or two after this,' he said, 'as I was lying in my berth, I heard a great noise on deck and as I rolled over, the ship came round within half cable-length of the shore, and not a soul but my- self knew where we were. It was Bermuda. I then made up my mind that I would advise a little and directed them how to shape their course for Guadaloupe, meaning all the time to bring up at Martinique, and in this I was pretty success- ful.' He continued: 'It was about eight o'clock in the morning, when the lieuten- ant came below, and told me wehad made a large ship, that we must be near Guadaloupe, and before morning, would be in. I laughed to myself, to see how nicely they were caught, but said nothing, till they were so near that there was no chance for escape. I then said to the lieutenant, 'You had better have gone to the United States; you are a prize to the English.' The lieutenant was per- fectly dumb for a moment. He saw what must take place; and as they got ready, a barge from the ship, he begged of me, when they hailed, to say, 'an American ship.' "I will, I replied, 'but I will also add, a prize to the French, which I did, and the reply was, "We shall be most happy to relieve you.' He was at Port Royal three months; and the court, before which the case was tried gave several dinners without asking him, or even inviting him to the table; and when the salvage was paid, he found the dinners charged also, costing him several hundred dollars! At last he set sail under convoy and arrived in Savannah some time in 1801." End. 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I have recently learned that the University of Washington Botanical Gardens will be planting a Whitney Crabapple on October 11th at 10:30 AM in honor of our Whitney family heritage. It will be placed in the Crabapple Meadow of the Washington Park Arboretum. Washington Park is a City of Seattle park managed by the University (http://depts.washington.edu/wpa/general.htm). Eliza Ann Whitney was my great-great grandmother (she married Daniel Bates McKenney in 1842). Her father was Col. Nathan Whitney (Nathan/Olive, Jonathan/Jesse, Jonathan, Jonathan, Benjamin, John). Col. Nathan's parents, Nathan and Olive, were both Whitney's (and cousins) and resided in Conway, Massachusetts until shortly after his birth, when they moved to Seneca Castle, New York. There he married Sarah Gray in 1811. Their Whitney stock was strong. Col. Nathan lived to 100 and his brothers Luther 95 years, Theodore 7 years (killed by a falling tree), Otis 98 years, Cheeney 90 years and Jonathan 76 years. Poor Teddy! That tree cost him 80 - 90 years! Talk about being in the wrong place ... Col. Nathan opened a farm near Albion, New York (1814 -1827), another at Elba, New York (1827 -1831) and in Unionville, Ohio (1831 to 1836). He visited Lee County, Illinois, in 1835, 1836 and 1837, his family following in 1838. The Whitney nursery was the first north of the Illinois river. Whitney brought with him many seeds of fruit trees for planting. By 1843 he had a large orchard and in 1847 began selling fine apples and other fruit. He also perfected new varieties by grafting and he had developed numerous types of apples. One that was well known was the "Whitney #20 Crabapple." He shipped fruit and nursery stock all over the country and helped to establish other orchards. His home and orchard in Franklin Grove (1620 Whitney Road) is on the National Register of Historic Places and has been recently restored. He was one of the commissioners to organize the county of Lee, and held the office of county commissioner. >From De Witt Clinton, Governor of New York, he received three military commissions, those of captain, lieutenant-colonel and colonel. He served in the war of 1812 and was mentioned for brave service in the battle at Fort Erie (for this he received a pension of $8 a month from 1878 until his passing in 1891). At the time of his death, Col. Whitney was the oldest Mason in the "Northwest" having received his first degree in 1817. During the Morgan excitement he was among the "faithless faithful found." He was tendered a 100th birthday reception on January 22, 1891, by his Masonic brothers at his home in Franklin Grove and prominent Masons from Chicago, Dixon, Ashton, Creston, Amboy, De Kalb and Sterling were present. A.B. Fich, in behalf of Nathan Whitey Chapter, No. 129, Royal Arch Masons, presented him with a solid silver platter suitably inscribed. Letters and telegrams of congratulation poured in upon Father Whitney all day. Over two hundred guests and four generations sat down to a bounteous repast. The March 7, 1891 Scientific American noted his one hundredth birthday. He died June 11, 1891; a resident of Albion, New York, and Franklin Grove, Illinois. Best wishes -- Greg Nickels Seattle, Washington www.seattle.gov/mayor

I have recently learned that the University of Washington Botanical Gardens will be planting a Whitney Crabapple on October 11th at 10:30 AM in honor of our Whitney family heritage. It will be placed in the Crabapple Meadow of the Washington Park Arboretum. Washington Park is a City of Seattle park managed by the University (http://depts.washington.edu/wpa/general.htm). Eliza Ann Whitney was my great-great grandmother (she married Daniel Bates McKenney in 1842). Her father was Col. Nathan Whitney (Nathan/Olive, Jonathan/Jesse, Jonathan, Jonathan, Benjamin, John). Col. Nathan's parents, Nathan and Olive, were both Whitney's (and cousins) and resided in Conway, Massachusetts until shortly after his birth, when they moved to Seneca Castle, New York. There he married Sarah Gray in 1811. Their Whitney stock was strong. Col. Nathan lived to 100 and his brothers Luther 95 years, Theodore 7 years (killed by a falling tree), Otis 98 years, Cheeney 90 years and Jonathan 76 years. Poor Teddy! That tree cost him 80 - 90 years! Talk about being in the wrong place ... Col. Nathan opened a farm near Albion, New York (1814 -1827), another at Elba, New York (1827 -1831) and in Unionville, Ohio (1831 to 1836). He visited Lee County, Illinois, in 1835, 1836 and 1837, his family following in 1838. The Whitney nursery was the first north of the Illinois river. Whitney brought with him many seeds of fruit trees for planting. By 1843 he had a large orchard and in 1847 began selling fine apples and other fruit. He also perfected new varieties by grafting and he had developed numerous types of apples. One that was well known was the "Whitney #20 Crabapple." He shipped fruit and nursery stock all over the country and helped to establish other orchards. His home and orchard in Franklin Grove (1620 Whitney Road) is on the National Register of Historic Places and has been recently restored. He was one of the commissioners to organize the county of Lee, and held the office of county commissioner. >From De Witt Clinton, Governor of New York, he received three military commissions, those of captain, lieutenant-colonel and colonel. He served in the war of 1812 and was mentioned for brave service in the battle at Fort Erie (for this he received a pension of $8 a month from 1878 until his passing in 1891). At the time of his death, Col. Whitney was the oldest Mason in the "Northwest" having received his first degree in 1817. During the Morgan excitement he was among the "faithless faithful found." He was tendered a 100th birthday reception on January 22, 1891, by his Masonic brothers at his home in Franklin Grove and prominent Masons from Chicago, Dixon, Ashton, Creston, Amboy, De Kalb and Sterling were present. A.B. Fich, in behalf of Nathan Whitey Chapter, No. 129, Royal Arch Masons, presented him with a solid silver platter suitably inscribed. Letters and telegrams of congratulation poured in upon Father Whitney all day. Over two hundred guests and four generations sat down to a bounteous repast. The March 7, 1891 Scientific American noted his one hundredth birthday. He died June 11, 1891; a resident of Albion, New York, and Franklin Grove, Illinois. Best wishes -- Greg Nickels Seattle, Washington www.seattle.gov/mayor