Noreen: It *has* been a while! The wiki website was launched back in early 2006. I'm glad to hear that you found it easy to log in and create your personal page. As far as the article that you're referring to, that was an early version created by Robert Ward for the 2004 Whitney Reunion. It was taken offline when it was being refined and updated. I'll work with Robert to figure out what we plan to do with the online article, as I do see that the link is currently broken. The article has now been published in The American Genealogist: Robert Leigh Ward and Tim Doyle, "The Whitney Lineage of John1 Whitney of Watertown, Massachusetts," The American Genealogist, vol. 81, no. 4 (Oct 2006), pp. 249-262. In it, we give what we consider convincing evidence that the line of descent for the immigrant John1 Whitney from the Whitneys of Whitney, Herefordshire, is as follows: 5. (perhaps) RobertD Whitney (ca. 1436-aft. 1492) of Whitney, Herefordshire; m.(2) Elizabeth Vaughan. 4. RobertC Whitney (say 1470-?) of perhaps Pencombe and Castleton, Herefordshire, wife unknown. 3. RobertB Whitney (ca. 1498-1555) of Castleton, m. Elizabeth, daughter of Morgan ap William. 2. ThomasA Whitney (say 1550-1637) of Castleton and Westminster; m. Mary Bray. 1. John1 Whitney (1592-1673) of Westminster, Isleworth, London, and Watertown; m.(1) Elinor -----; m. (2) Judah (-----) Clement. A copy of the issue in question can be obtained for $9.00 from the editor, David L. Greene, P.O. Box 398, Demorest, GA 30535-0398. Additional research is currently underway to either strengthen or refute this proposed lineage. Tim The WRG website can be viewed at http://wiki.whitneygen.org/ -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noreen LaTour Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:09 PM To: WHITNEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] About the new Whitney Research Group website & Connectionbet. Thomas & Hereford Whitneys It's been quite awjhile since I've visited the Whitney Research Group website and I just discovered that they have a new website. So I went to "create an account" ,put in my information about myself and my Whintey lineage and logged in just fine. However I was trying to view an article by Robert Ward entitled "Some Thoughts on the Hereford Whitneys" or something to that effect and could not seem to gain access to it even though I was logged in. I really was interested in reading the article as I know there's been a question for years about whether or not John Whitney's father Thomas was of the Herefordshire Whitneys or not.From an e maiI recently received and from browsing around some in WRG it appeared to me that some new evidence has recently been found to link Thomas with the Whitneys of Hereford. Am I correct in this assumption? Also could someone tell me wat I'm doing wrong & how to access the article on this subject by Robert Ward as well as other material making connections between Thomas and the Hereford Whitneys? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out on this. Noreen Maloney LaTour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

"Verch" and "ap" are welsh for "daughter of" and "son of". Elizabeth was therefore the daughter of a man named Morgan, who was the son of a man named William. She was listed in records just that way "Elizabeth verch Morgan ap William", but care should be taken not to assume her surname was "verch Morgan" or "verch Morgan ap William". This was a time when surnames had not yet been fully applied in this area of England. She was simply Elizabeth, daughter of Morgan, son of William. Tim -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Noreen LaTour Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 4:14 PM To: WHITNEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Anyone in Whitney Research know what these terms mean? What does the terms verch and ap mean in the following material I came across in the Whitney Research Group? Mr. Thomas Whitney,gentleman,parentage unproven,but apparently son of Robert and Elizabeth (verch Morgan ap William) Noreen Maloney LaTour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It's been quite awjhile since I've visited the Whitney Research Group website and I just discovered that they have a new website. So I went to "create an account" ,put in my information about myself and my Whintey lineage and logged in just fine. However I was trying to view an article by Robert Ward entitled "Some Thoughts on the Hereford Whitneys" or something to that effect and could not seem to gain access to it even though I was logged in. I really was interested in reading the article as I know there's been a question for years about whether or not John Whitney's father Thomas was of the Herefordshire Whitneys or not.From an e maiI recently received and from browsing around some in WRG it appeared to me that some new evidence has recently been found to link Thomas with the Whitneys of Hereford. Am I correct in this assumption? Also could someone tell me wat I'm doing wrong & how to access the article on this subject by Robert Ward as well as other material making connections between Thomas and the Hereford Whitneys? Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out on this. Noreen Maloney LaTour

Jerry, Today's weather in Washington, D.C. is horrible, so I went to the National Archives and requested that the pension file for Crosby C. Whitney be pulled. Tomorrow I will return to review the file. While at the Archives I reviewed the Organizational Index for Civil War Pensions in order to be sure that the request for the file was complete. I noticed that in the same unit that Crosby belonged, Company A, 15th Michigan Infantry, was a Stephen A. Whitney. I figured they were relatives, but the census information that you have provided does not show him. Any idea who he was? Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerald E. Whitney" <gwhitney@alltel.net> To: "Whitney-L" <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: [WHITNEY] Remington Whitney and Crosby Whitney > Ken Whitney, Tim Doyle and WRG members and cousins, > My Crosby Whitney Line is this: > 3rd great: Crosby Whitney b. 1803 in Maine died 15 Mar 1828 at Norwich, > Oxford Co., Ontario, Canada > married Mary Carman b. 1803 died 15 Jul 1866 at Norwich, Oxford Co., > Ontario, Canada > > 1st great: Crosby Whitney b. 1846 in Illinois died 1905 at Layton, > California > married Lucinda Williams > Military Service 100 days: Co.G, 44th Iowa Vol. Inf. > Residence Stephenson Co., Ill., Hardin Co.,Iowa, Ulysses, Seward Co., > NE., Republic Do., KS, Layton, California > Post Office Union, Hardin Co., Ia. > > Research of Crosby C. Whitney, aka. Crosby Whitney: > born abt 1843 > son of Remington/ Remmington Whitney and Rhoda ?C. can that initial be > a C.?? > Military Service: Co. A,/ 15th Michigan Inf Regular > enlisted abt. 1860-1862 > second enlistment 1862-1865 > Question time and Location: for Crosby C./aka: Crosby Whitney > Federal Census of 1870 for Iowa/ County of Grundy and Felix Twp. > Post Office Union, Hardin Co., Iowa > Note: My 3rd great grandfather, Crosby Whitney, uses the same Post Office > (Union) as does Crosby C. Whitney and are not more than 2 miles from each > other, although they live in different counties. > > It is at Felix Twp, Grundy Co., Iowa that Crosby C. Whitney 26 yrs of age, > from Michigan is living next to > Remington Whitney 69 years of age. > Crosby C. Whitney wife and children are: > Rose 24 yrs Michigan > Lennie 2 yrs Michigan > Guy 1/12 yrs Iowa > > next entery > Reminton (Remmington) Whitney of Connecticut (error) wife and children: > Note: change of birth place earlyer. > Rhoda ?C. 53 yrs New York > Julia 22 yrs Michigan > Edwin 16 yrs Michigan > Roscoe Hought 6 yrs Michigan > > Federal Census 1860 Burr Oak, Saint Joseph Co., Michigan > Remmington/ Remington Whitney 58 yrs of Maine > Rhoda 45yrs New York > Crosby 16 yrs Michigan > Louisa 14 yrs Michigan > Julia 11 yrs Michigan > Marjora 9 yrs Michigan > Edwin 6 yrs Michigan > > Federal Census 1850 Burr Oak Twp., Saint Joseph Co., Michigan > Remington Whitney 48 yrs Maine > Rhoda 35 yrs New York > Daniel 16 yrs Michigan could this first son be named after the father? > Warren 11 yrs Michigan > Crosby 7 yrs Michigan > Louisa yrs Michigan > Julia yrs Michigan > same page > Peter Whitney 39 yrs of Maine > Laura 27 yrs New York > Elizabeth J. 5 yrs Michigan > Alice 2 yrs Michigan > James C. 10/12 yrs Michigan > > Federal Census of 1840 Burr Oak, Saint Joseph, Michigan > Remmington Whitney 2 males, 2 females > > Federal Census 1830 Gorham, Cumberland Co., Maine > Peter Whitney > Daniel Whitney > > Federal Census of 1820 Gorham, Cumberland Co., Maine > Peter Whitney > Daniel Whitney > along with > Eli, Zebulon, and Isaac Whitney > > Federal Census of 1880 Burr Oak, Saint Joseph Co., Michigan > Remington Whitney 78 yrs of abe born about 1802 at Maine > Rhoda 63 yrs > Edwin 27 yrs > Augusta 6 yrs > Frances 4 yrs > Guy 2 yrs > > Federal Census of 1900 Quincy, Branch, Michigan > Rhoda Whitney 83 yrs mother in law born in New York > Frank Kinyon 52 yrs > Maggie Kinyon 49 yrs > > This is my findings thus far, hope some of you can add or correct some of > it. > Gerald E. (Jerry) Whitney > DNA 37765 > gwhitney@alltel.net > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Web site name I attached got wrapped so the "l" at the end of the address got moved to the next line. You need to copy and paste the e-dress and then add an "l" at the end before hitting "go". Interesting history about Welsh surnames. Lowell Whitney -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Lowell Whitney Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:24 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Anyone in Whitney Research know what these terms mean? See the attached website http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northwest/sites/familyhistory/pages/surnames.shtm l Lowell Whitney -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Noreen LaTour Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:14 PM To: WHITNEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Anyone in Whitney Research know what these terms mean? What does the terms verch and ap mean in the following material I came across in the Whitney Research Group? Mr. Thomas Whitney,gentleman,parentage unproven,but apparently son of Robert and Elizabeth (verch Morgan ap William) Noreen Maloney LaTour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM

See the attached website http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northwest/sites/familyhistory/pages/surnames.shtm l Lowell Whitney -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Noreen LaTour Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 3:14 PM To: WHITNEY@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Anyone in Whitney Research know what these terms mean? What does the terms verch and ap mean in the following material I came across in the Whitney Research Group? Mr. Thomas Whitney,gentleman,parentage unproven,but apparently son of Robert and Elizabeth (verch Morgan ap William) Noreen Maloney LaTour ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/894 - Release Date: 7/10/2007 5:44 PM

Recently, we received the great news that a fifth descendant of Henry Whitney has been confirmed through the DNA Project. Thanks Whit and Tim. The person identified is Steve Whitney who was born in Lamont, Mississippi in 1915. He was one of 10 children of Ike (maybe Isaac) Whitney b. c1865 and Beatrice (Beadie) Bailey both born in Mississippi. His grand parents were Henry Whitney b.1817 and Dodie Unknown, both born in Mississippi. There was only one Whitney family in Jefferson County, Mississippi in 1820 and therefore, Henry's father MAY have been the head of that family, William Whitney. I am trying to piece this family together and link it to Henry. Any and all help will be appreciated. Bill Whitney

"Your assistants will thereby understand... that they will not include in it infants born after that [Census] day." In theory. My father was born Jan 2nd, 1920 and was included on the Census, illegally, when the enumerator came 'round a few weeks later. It makes one wonder, did the fellow misunderstand? Ask the wrong person? Cheat? A few extra heads might win your state another seat in the House. I find it more than a little suspicious that the government staged the Palmer raids that very day, primarily in the opposition's states. Now if Isaac Asimov, the science fiction author who claimed the same birthdate, also appears on that Census, it would be highly suspicious. He didn't leave Russia until 1923. Cheers, Ron Kyser On Jul 8, 2007, at 6:36 PM, ALLAGREEN@aol.com wrote: > Dear WRG: > > My wife found this article on Genealogy.com and copied it to me. I > pass it > on because it contains ideas and techniques that I had not known > before, and I > hope that it will be helpful to some of you. > > Happy Hunting! > > Allan E. Green > *********************************************************************** > ******* > ****** > "THE CENSUS DAY," by William Dollarhide >

Dear WRG: My wife found this article on Genealogy.com and copied it to me. I pass it on because it contains ideas and techniques that I had not known before, and I hope that it will be helpful to some of you. Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green ****************************************************************************** ****** "THE CENSUS DAY," by William Dollarhide If you are a genealogist, you are an avid user of the federal censuses, 1790-1930. But even experienced census users may not know about some of the obscure aspects of the censuses. Here's one of them. It's called the "census day." Beginning with the 1790 federal census--and continuing with every census thereafter--each enabling law authorized by Congress specified a "census day" for gathering the census information from every household in America. From 1790 to 1820 the census day was the first Monday in August. The census day was NOT the day the enumerator arrived at a household; it was the day for which all the statistics of the census were collected. The actual instructions given to all the U.S. Marshals right before the 1820 census explains: "All the questions refer to the day when the enumeration is to commence, the first Monday in August next. Your assistants will thereby understand that they are to insert in their returns all the persons belonging to the family on the first Monday in August, even those who may be deceased at the time when they take the account; and, on the other hand, that they will not include in it infants born after that day." Similar instructions have been given for every census since 1790, but with different census days. The table below shows the census day for each census, 1790-1930, and the time allowed to take the census: Census Year / Census Day / Time Allowed 1790 / 2 August / 9 months 1800 / 4 August / 9 months 1810 / 6 August / 10 months 1820 / 7 August / 13 months 1830 / 1 June / 12 months 1840 / 1 June / 18 months 1850 / 1 June / 5 months 1860 / 1 June / 5 months 1870/ 1 June / 5 months 1880 / 1 June/ 1 month 1890 / 1 June / 1 month 1900 / 1 June / 1 month 1910 / 15 April / 1 month 1920 / 1 January / 1 month 1930 / 1 April / 1 month 1820 & 1830 Census Day Differences: On the above table, note that the census day changed from the first Monday in August in 1820 to the first day of June in 1830. If one is researching families appearing in the 1820 and 1830 censuses, looking at these families again may be important. Since the census days for 1820 and 1830 are not exactly 10 years apart, the two-month difference may reveal some surprising results. For example, if a person were born between 1 June 1820 and 7 August 1820, that child would appear in the 1820 census in the "under 10" age category. But in 1830, that same person would appear in the "of 5 and under 10" rather than the "of 10 and under 15" age category, since the person had not yet turned 10. The age category for anyone born between 1 June and 7 August in any year would be affected by this reporting change between 1820 and 1830. Comparing the 1820 age categories for a person appearing 10 years later and not in the "correct" age category may actually give a clue to a person's date of birth within a two-month period. Time Allowed to Take a Census: On the table above, note the time allowed to take each census. All of the states complied with this provision, except South Carolina in 1790. South Carolina could not complete its 1790 enumeration in nine months. The U.S. Marshal complained that he was having great difficulty finding people to take the job because of resistance to the census being taken. A Charleston jury met to decide the fate of six persons who had "refused to render an account of persons in their households as required by the census act." A South Carolina census taker was brought on trial for neglect of duty. He did not complete the census in his district. These and other problems led to South Carolina being granted an extension and the census returns were dated 5 February 1792, a full 18 months after the census day. Differing Census Days: In a couple of cases, there have been census days assigned to certain states that were different from the rest of the U.S. for that year. When Vermont entered the Union as the 14th state in 1791, the 1790 census was already underway. Vermont's 1790 census was taken with a census day of the first Monday in April 1791, with five months allowed to take the census there. Utah, which became a territory in September 1851, had its 1850 census taken with a census day of 1 April 1851. But the dates on the Utah census pages are mostly in October 1851. Thus, the 1851 census enumerators probably asked Utahans questions like, "Six months ago, back on April 1st, who was the head of this household?" Census Day Versus Enumeration Date: Genealogists should record two dates when copying information from the censuses: the census day and the enumeration date. No matter how many months it took for an enumerator to reach a house, he was supposed to gather the information as if time had stopped on the census day. Every person whose regular abode was in a particular household on the census day was to be enumerated, even if a person was away at the time of the enumeration. Understanding the impact of the census day versus the enumeration date may explain why certain people appear in a census listing, even though you have other evidence to show the person died before the household was enumerated. If a person was alive on the census day, that person was to be included--even if it took some time for the enumerator to get around to that house to take the census. The person could have been dead for several months. Or, you may wonder why that youngest child in a family was not listed in a census. If a child were born after the census day, that child was not to be included--even if the census taker had visited the house and was aware of a playful little toddler crawling around in front of him. Now, some of you will want to go back to all of those census lists you have copied down and confirm the date of enumeration AND the census day. Any missing people? Any extra people? Good census hunting! ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dear WRG: Here (finally) is the posting that I hope will be valuable to some of you. Allan E. Green ************************************************************** Greg Matthews <dialzero@bellsouth.net> wrote: 1) How to search for sites that link back to another site: example: Let's say you've found a great web site for your Smythe family research. Let's say that site is called www.smythefamily.com. There might be other people out there who also like that site and have linked back to it, and maybe you've never seen that other site. The command to find that other site is: link:www.smythe.com This will give you a list of any sites that google has indexed that link to www.smythe.com. 2) How to search for sites that are similar to another site: This technique is the same as if you clicked the "Similar pages" link on a list of returned results from a standard google search. What it will do is show you sites that cover material that is similar to the site you are interested in. For the example I'll use my own Mat(t)hews genealogy site: related:www.bluntrazor.com If you used this command you would get a short list of sites that google says are related to or similar to my site. 3) How to restrict a google search to a single web site or domain: We all use google or similar search pages to find things related to our genealogy research, but how often do we get TONS and TONS of results that are of no interest to us? A lot. Wouldn't it be really useful if you could restrict a search to a single web site? Let's say you only want to search rootsweb (sure they have search links for everything, but I don't think they have a single search to look at everything at once) or you only want to search the forums at genealogy.com. There are several different ways to search for different things so I'll show all the ones that come to mind with examples for each: The first again uses my web site to search for the surname "Pace": site:bluntrazor.com Pace The search returns 11 results and the search box on my site returns 12 so google does pretty good with that one (always remember that google can only return results for pages that it has indexed and there is no guarantee that it has indexed every single page on a web site.) Let's take that a little further and search for a man named Thomas Pace. Most people would put Thomas Pace in quote marks " " and you can certainly do that with your search, eg. site:bluntrazor.com "Thomas Pace", but I find it easier to use a google shortcut: site:bluntrazor.com Thomas.Pace Saves us a keystroke doing that. I find this search method really helpful when searching the forums at genealogy.com since they don't seem to have a global forum search. To use the command there you would do this: site:genforum.genealogy.com Thomas.Pace This turns up results for Thomas Pace on boards other than the Pace family forum. Keep in mind that this search will only return results for "Thomas Pace" together and not "Thomas or Pace" seperately. I've found that in general google does NOT have all of the genforums indexed, but you should get results from different forums that will hopefully give you an idea of some new places to look. What if you wanted to search for more than one surname from a single site? To do that we use what is called the "pipe" character: | . This key will be found most likely above your ENTER key. To search for two different names, eg. Isaac OR James from my site you would use: site:bluntrazor.com Isaac | James (alternately you could do site:bluntrazor.com Isaac OR James but the "OR" must be capitalized) this gives us a list of pages where EITHER of those names appear. Finally, if you want pages that include both Isaac and James on the same page, but not together (not as a single name "Isaac James") you would do: site:bluntrazor.com Isaac and James For some reason google tells me I don't need to use the word and, but I always get fewer results if I don't use it. 4) How to get results from pages with a specific name in the web site title: When I first saw this operator I was a little sceptical of its usefulness, but when I used it I was surprised. A web page's title is the text you find at the top of your browser in the blue bar. I think part of the usefulness of this method is that it is a way to further narrow down a search. Let's say you were looking for pages on Charles City County (Virginia). If you just googled Charles City county you get over a half million results, but if you set the search to only those pages with Charles City County in the title of the page it cuts that number down to just over 5,000 (still a lot, but better than a half million). To use this technique you do this: intitle:Charles.City.County Returns from the above are going to have Charles City County in that exact order in the title (see below if you don't want the words necessarily in that order) If you were searching for a very unique surname this could prove helpful: intitle:Blackwelder Blackwelder is my mother's maiden name and everyone with the surname is related without question. Remember, any words put into a web page's title are going to be important as the site is generally specifically about whatever the title says. If you wanted Charles City County to appear in the title, but not necessarily in that order you would do this: allintitle:Charles City County allintitle will catch variations such as a web page title "County of Charles City". Curiously, allintitle only returns 505 results versus the broader intitle:Charles.City.County which gives 5,000 results. So, it pays to try it both ways. 5) How to get results from pages with a specific name in the web site url (address): This one might seem like it's splitting hairs with intitle, but I always get interesting results when I use it. Again, let's say we are looking for Charles City County. To search for sites that have that county in the ADDRESS of the web site we use: inurl:Charles.City.County Again, this gives returns with the exact phrase Charles City County. I just used this one and found a site I had not come across before on 17th century Charles City County that did not appear when used the intitle command on it. Alternately you could use: allinurl: Charles City County to get addresses that don't have the words necessarily in that exact order. Another method with this operator is: inurl:Blackwelder Isaac which returns results that have "Blackwelder" in the url and "Isaac" somewhere in the web page (NOT in the url). 6) How to mix operators It is possible to mix any of the above operators, but generally I don't as I find I get decent results without having to do that. But, let's say you wanted to search only a specific site for Blackwelder in the title of any of the web pages: intitle:Blackwelder site:edu This will returns results with sites that have Blackwelder in the title of the web page, _BUT_ it will only search web sites that end in .edu (this would be colleges and other schools, no .com or .org or dot anything else but .edu). I'm not sure why you'd want to do this with a genealogy search, but if you do that's how it's done. Other combinations using any of the above are possible also. Believe it or not, I learned the majority of this by watching a video of a college kid on youtube showing how to illegally download music from google :) Good luck to all with your searches. I have been pleasantly surprised with a lot of the results I've gotten using these techniques and I know you will be also. Greg Matthews ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

WRG: Let's see if it forwarded this time! Allan ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dear WRG: I am forwarding this from the Reynolds List because it has a lot search techniques that I hadn't known about, and thought that it would also help others like me in the WRG. Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Betsey and All, At 10:13 AM 7/6/2007, Tim Doyle wrote: >The only document which mentions Henry Whitney in connection with Bermuda is >the so-called "Osman Deposition", a document mentioned in 1939, but of which >no copy exists and the original, if it ever really existed, has now been >lost. One expert that I discussed it with thought it very likely that it was >fraudulent. > >The family of Samuel Whitney was in Bermuda and has been fairly thoroughly >researched, as presented in Avant, David A., Jr., Some Southern Colonial >Families, vol. 5. I have been personally working on identifying Samuel's >ancestry, with interesting results. Note that the DNA profiles for descendants of Henry and Samuel are dissimilar, which means that it is very unlikely that they were related. This is true even if the Osman Deposition is genuine, and they were in Bermuda at the same time, which is somewhat doubtful. Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Rlward

Kudos to Robert and Tim on this publication. I am sure itwill be of great help to current and future Whitney researchers. Jo Hogle ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Actually some research there would be quite helpful. With Tara Bellomy and her brother just popping up and looking like they're also out of the Bermuda line. One thing I've thought about doing when I start feeling better is tracking the Whitney's that stayed in Bermuda. This could give a track to the Whitney's in SC that I've never connected to ie. Hiram. Michael Whitney ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth Slaughter<mailto:betsyfrompike@earthlink.net> To: WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: [WHITNEY] Bermuda I am descended from Henry Whitney, and I am interested in the speculation about him and Bermuda. I also know that the family of Samuel Whitney was in Bermuda. Has anyone on this list done research on-site in Bermuda? If so, I interested in their experience. We will be in Bermuda next summer. Thanks, Betsy Slaughter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Betsy: The only document which mentions Henry Whitney in connection with Bermuda is the so-called "Osman Deposition", a document mentioned in 1939, but of which no copy exists and the original, if it ever really existed, has now been lost. One expert that I discussed it with thought it very likely that it was fraudulent. The family of Samuel Whitney was in Bermuda and has been fairly thoroughly researched, as presented in Avant, David A., Jr., Some Southern Colonial Families, vol. 5. I have been personally working on identifying Samuel's ancestry, with interesting results. Tim -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Elizabeth Slaughter Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:59 AM To: WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Bermuda I am descended from Henry Whitney, and I am interested in the speculation about him and Bermuda. I also know that the family of Samuel Whitney was in Bermuda. Has anyone on this list done research on-site in Bermuda? If so, I interested in their experience. We will be in Bermuda next summer. Thanks, Betsy Slaughter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am descended from Henry Whitney, and I am interested in the speculation about him and Bermuda. I also know that the family of Samuel Whitney was in Bermuda. Has anyone on this list done research on-site in Bermuda? If so, I interested in their experience. We will be in Bermuda next summer. Thanks, Betsy Slaughter

Gail: I believe you're referring to "Turbodoug" on the WRG wiki website. If you don't get a reply here, you can always email him directly via the website. Simply go to his user page "User:Turbodoug", then select "E-mail this user" from the toolbox links on the left. That will allow you to send an email directly to him, but doesn't allow you to see it for privacy considerations on a public website. Be sure to include your own email address in your email so he can reply to you. You can then trade emails back and forth without going through the website. This works for anyone on the website who has entered a valid email address. Tim -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Gail Anderson Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:47 PM To: 'Croxton'; whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney - Relayed by RCW, List Adm. Sorry, Turbodog. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Croxton Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:38 PM To: WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney - Relayed by RCW, List Adm. I am trying to get in touch with Doug Whitney whose user-name is "Turgodoug". We may have a common ancestry & have information on this line. I am hoping we can share information. - Gail Anderson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to get in touch with Doug Whitney whose user-name is "Turgodoug". We may have a common ancestry & have information on this line. I am hoping we can share information. - Gail Anderson

Sorry, Turbodog. Gail -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Croxton Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:38 PM To: WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Silas Whitney - Relayed by RCW, List Adm. I am trying to get in touch with Doug Whitney whose user-name is "Turgodoug". We may have a common ancestry & have information on this line. I am hoping we can share information. - Gail Anderson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message