To all WRG'ers: What a wonderful resource we have in Robert Ward and Tim Doyle! Not only are they the hardest working people around, but they are also the most selfless -- giving their time and expertise to all of us. It humbles me to look at all the things that they have done for us and hear about still another effort that they have begun. There is no doubt whatsoever in my mind that they will carry this new project to fruition, and that it will benefit us all -- particularly those who are still looking for that "one connection" that will tie themselves into all the rest of us, or those who have in all good faith gone down a wrong road. I can cite myself as an example of the latter. Not long after I bought the big CD set of all the MA Vital Records from Search ReSearch, I began trying to cite sources for every date, place and relationship that existed in our collective database that Jon Aston had been gathering and maintaining. In so doing, I would make some assumptions based on the fact that these records showed that two people who were listed as married were, in fact, the two people of those names who were children in families from that town who were of the proper age to marry. I would venture to guess that 80% to 90% of these assumptions were correct, but I can't prove them from other sources (like a will of a bride's father or other of that ilk), and what's even worse, I had no way of knowing which 10% to 20% were incorrect assumptions. Fortunately, some of these have later been confirmed through the work that Robert and Tim have done. Their new project will undoubtedly find and correct some others. We are really lucky to have the two of them, and I cannot say so often enough. Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green (one of the originals from the days when we all had to keep track of who was on the WRG mailing list by checking the headers every day) ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Dear Adrian: I checked the web site for the Whitney Bible record again, and it now reads 1854 rather than 1845. But I really swear it said 1845 the first time I saw it, and that was what was in that old archived note on the WRG maillist. Now, if I could only find out who his parents were (and whether he comes down from John & Elinor or from Henry Whitney) I could integrate him into my own collective database of Whitney descendants. Thank you, Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

I have spent the past few weeks doing a total revamp on the Dunn Family Genealogy web site. I have also added in several hundred new names and several new Surnames. You can search for specific people, View & Print Trees, Charts and photographs. Ancestry and Descendants. If you have any photo's or documents for anyone in these GEDCOM files and are willing to share them, please email copies to Herb@DunnNet.com and I'll get them added in on their records here. Please include all pertinant information about the individual (s) so that I can update their records as well. Also looking for source documents on all. If you have GEDCOM files that you would like to share then you can attach them to an email to me and once I have it in then you can have full access to view and change them at will. You receive admin access over your particular GEDCOMs (provided you register as a user on this site. This is also FREE). Come and check it out and let me know what you think. http://Genealogy.DunnNet.com Just some of what I have been researching are: Dunn Family Ancestry Descendants of Abraham Yazel, Born 1772 in Hamshire, VA Descendants of Charles Hughes, Born abt. 1665 in Denbighshire, Wales Descendants of Charles Swearengin, Born abt 1798 in Lewis, KY Descendants of Daniel McClard, Born Abt 1719 in Scotland Descendants of Etienne Gayneau, Born 1590 in Purboreau (or La Rochelle) , France Descendants of Horace Selden Whitney, Born abt. 1805 in New Hampshire Descendants of Hugh Le Byrd, Born 1166 in England Descendants of Jacob Yeazel, Born <?> in OH Descendants of James Dunn, Born abt. 1820 in Georgia, US Descendants of John McCreery, Born About 1710 in County Donegal, Ireland Descendants of John Thomas Byrd, Born abt. 1620 in Brexton, England Descendants of Sybolt (Siebren) Jeltes Van Solkema, Born before 1730 Descendants of William Evans, Born 1750 in Wales Descendants of William Hughes, Born abt 1765 in VA Descendants of William Stafford, Born About 1660 Be Good To Yourself Herb Feel free to check out my personal <http://www.photography.dunnnet.com/gallery/index.php?cat=0>photo gallery Photo Prints for sale at <http://http://www.outdooreyes.com/list/thegallerys.php3?photoid=1160>The <http://http://www.outdooreyes.com/list/thegallerys.php3?photoid=1160>Gallery My Books for sale at: <http://xlibris.com/soulreflections.html>Soul Reflections, <http://xlibris.com/naturescall.html>Nature's Call, & <http://xlibris.com/youareamiracle.html>You Are A Miracle My Genealogy site at the <http://genealogy.dunnnet.com/>Dunn Family Ancestry

My email address has changed from tjwhitney@earthlink.net to tjwhitney@embarqmail.com. Please update your records.

Dear Terrell Dorn: I just want to be certain that you know that the transcript that you have asked Ms. Farnsworth to send you contains significant errors. If you have followed the thread on the Whitney Research Group mail list on this matter, you will have seen the posting by Mr. Robert Ward that indicates where the correct information can be found on the Whitney Research Group wiki web site. As Ms. Farnsworth often says, she doesn't research anything, she just copies and publishes what she finds in other sources. Her efforts in this area provide much good and useful information and some material that has been discredited and proven to be in error. Mr. Ward, on the other hand, is a retired research mathematician, and since his retirement, a qualified professional genealogist who undertakes research services for others. He is also one of the two or three most respected members of the Whitney Research Group, of which I am proud to say I am one of the founders. This group is dedicated to the gathering and publishing of information on the various branches of the Whitney family in the United States. In so doing, we are committed to protecting the accuracy of what we publish by demonstrating clearly the sources of the material published and that they are primary sources wherever possible. The late 19th and early 20th century was full of extended family genealogies being published by well intentioned persons who were using what they thought were the best methods of research at the time. Certainly, they were done before research tools like the published series of MA town Vital Records were prepared and made available. Likewise, all of the Census data was not indexed and certainly not available unless one was able to visit the Bureau of Census archives and get permission to search the physical documents themselves. So, much of what was written in that time frame was done by writing letters to others and getting replies that included "facts" which were then incorporated without further checking or verification. If you choose to visit the Whitney Research Group web site, it will be possible for you to take something like the Frederick Clifton Pierce book on the descendants of John and Elinor Whitney and see how the errors in that publication have been identified and corrections offered. Is every fact verified? Probably not, because some of what is presented is not possible to check in available public records, or the records are not readily available to those of us who are interested in protecting the integrity of the information that we, as the Whitney Research Group, try to present as the best and most accurate possible version of the generational structure of this family. I realize that the above is a huge chunk to digest, but it is an important chunk. It is also the reason that, when material that is known to be inaccurate appears on our mailing list, that it is challenged as quickly as possible, so as to not allow our less experienced researchers to be led astray unknowingly. I would be happy to discuss this matter further with you, if you have any further questions about the WRG and it's efforts. I'm sure that others in the WRG would also be willing to contribute, so you may address your questions either to me directly or to all through the medium of the Whitney mail list. Happy Hunting!! Allan E. Green ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

You got it. Always loved the name Whitney and we married some of them. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Janice, Please send me the full transcription when convenient. My step-dad, Allan Whitney, is a direct descendant of John Whitney, and I am assembling info for him.. Terrell Dorn On 8/2/07, Farns10th@aol.com <Farns10th@aol.com> wrote: > > This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney family of > Watertownl, Mass. sent on request > to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth > > Subject: WHITNEY. > Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the > State of > Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams > > MASSACHUSETTS. > p.1 > The surname Whitney was originally a place name. The parish from which > the > family > takes its name is located in County Hereford, England, upon the extreme > western > border, adjoining Wales and is traversed by the lovely Wye river. The > name > of the > place doubtless comes from the appearance of the river, meaning in Saxon, > white > water, from hecit, white, and ey, water. The coat of arms of the Whitney > family > of Whitney is: Azure, a cross chequy or and gules. Crest: A bull's head > couped > sable, armed argent, the points gules. > > The English ancestry of John Whitney, the immigrant who settled > at Watertown, > Massachusetts, has been established by Henry Melville and presented in an > exquisi- > tely printed and illustrated volume. Very few Amerian families have their > English > genealogy in such well authenticated and satisfactory form. An abstract > of > the > English ancestry is given below. > (I) Turstin, "the Fleming," otherwise known as Turstin de > Wigmore, probably > also > as Turstin, son of Rolf, and Turstin "the White," was a follower of > William > the > Conqueror. He was mentioned in the Domesday book as an extensive land > holder > in > herefordshire and the Marches of Wales. He married Agnes, daughter of > Alured > de > Merleberge, a Norman baron of Ewias Castle, in the Marches of Wales. > > (II) Eustace, son of Turstin, was a benefactor of the monastery of St. > Peter, in > Gloucester, England. He or one of his immediate descendants took the > surname > De > Whitney from Whitney on the Wye, in the Marches of Wales, where his > principal > castle was located. The estate comprised over two thousand acres, and > remained > in the family until 1893, when it was sold, there being no member of the > family > to hold it. The castle has entirely disappeared, but it is believed to be > in > ruins > under the Wye, which has in the course of years changed its path. The > castle > was > probably built on an artificial mound, surrounded by a moat fed by the > river, which > gradually undermined the castle, which was at last disintegrated. > > (III) Sir Robert de Whitney, a direct descendant of Eustace, was living in > 1242 > and was mentioned in the "Testa de Nevill." Three or four intervening > generations > cannot be stated with certainty. > > (IV) Sir Eustace de Whitney, son of Sir Robert, gave deed to the monastery > of St. > Peter in 1280, referring to and confirming the deed of his > ancestors above > ment- > ioned. He was Lord of Pencombe, Little Cowarn and Whitney in 1281; was > granted > free warren by Edward I in 1284; summoned to wars beyond the seas in > 1297; > tenant > of part of the manor of Huntington in 1299; in Scotch war in 1301. He was > possibly > grandson instead of son of Sir Robert. > > (V) Sir Eustace de Whitney, son of Sir Eustace, was knighted by Edward I > in > 1306 > and was a member of Parliament for Herefordshire in 1313 and 1352. > > (VI) Sir Robert de Whitney, son of Sir Eusatce, was one of two hundred > gentlemen > who went to Milan in the retinue of the Duke of Clarence on occasion of > the > latter's marriage in 1368. He was a member of parliament > for Herefordshire > in 1377, > 1379 and 1380 and Sheriff in 1377. > > (VII) Sir Robert Whitney, son of Sir Robert, was sent abroad to negotiate > treaty > with the Count of Flanders in 1388; a member of Parliament > for Herefordshire > in > 1391. He was sent to France to deliver the castle and town of Cherbourg > to > the > King of Navarre in 1393; was knight marshal in the Court of Richard II; > sent > on > King's business with his brother and most of his relatives, at the battle > of > Pilleth, 1402. > > (VIII) Sir Robert Whitney, son of Sir Robert, was granted the castle of > Clifford > and lordship of Clifford and Glasbury by Henry IV in 1404, on account of > the > services of his father. He was Sheriff of Herfordshire 1416-1422. He > fought > in > the French war under Henry V, and was Captain of the castle and town of > Vire > in > 1420. He was named as one of the five knights in Hereforshire in 1433, > and > died > March 12, 1441. > > p.2 > (IX) Sir Eustace de Whitney, son of Sir Robert, was born in 1411. He was > head > of a commission sent to Wales by Henry VI in 1455 and was a member of > parliament > for Herefordshire in 1468. He married Jenett Russell; he m. (2) Jane > Clifford. > > (X) Robert Whitney, son of Sir Eustace (9) was probably a knight and was > an > active > participant in the War of the Roses, and was attainted as a Yorkist > in 1459. > He > was probably at the battle of Mortimer's Cross in 1461. He was > the subject > of a > poem by Lewis Glyn Cothi, on the occasion of his marriage to Alice, the > great- > granddaughter of Sir David Gam. He married first, Alice daughter of > Thomas > Vaughan; second, Constance Touchett, who was the mother of his sons. She > was > decended from William the Conqueror, through the second wife of Edward I, > King > of England. > > (XI) James Whitney, son of Robert, was appointed receiver of Newport, part > of the > estate of the Duke of Buckingham, confiscated by Henry VII in 1522. He > married > Blanche, daughter and an heir of Simon Milbourne. > > (XII) Robert Whitney, son of James Whitney was of Icomb and in charge of > other > consfiscated estates. He was Sheriff of Gloucestershire, 1527, 1528, 1529 > and > 1530. He was nominated Knight of the Bath by Henry VIII at the coronation > of > Anne > Boleyn in 1531; was granted part of income of monastery of Brewern in > 1535; > furn- > ished forty men to put down the rebellion in 1536. He was named to attend > upon > the King's person. He died in 1541, and his Will was proved June 11, > 1541. He > married Margaret Wye. > > (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney, son of Robert, was knighted in October, 1553. > He > was > summoned before the Privy Council in 1555 and 1559. He was a member of > Parliament > for Herefordshire in 1559, and died August 5, 1567. He married Sybil > Baskerville, > a descendant of William the Conqueror through the first wife of Edward I. > > (XIV) Robert Whitney son of Sir Robert, was mentioned in the Will of his > father, > and also in an inquisition taken after the latter's death. He married > Elizabeth, > daughter of Morgan Guillims, or Duglim. > > (XV) Thomas Whitney, son of Robert, was of Westminster, Gentleman. He was > buried > at St. Margaret's, April 14, 1637. He married Mary, the daughter of John > Bray of > Westminster; she was buried at St. Margaret's September > 25, 1629. Children: > 1. John Whitney, the American emigrant, settled at Watertown, > Massachusetts. > 2. Nicholas Whitney. > 3. William Whitney. > 4. Richard Whitney > 5. Margaret Whitney. > 6. Anne Whitney. > End. > Transcribed by Janice Farnsworth > This file together with John Whitney, Bond's Watertown - sent on request > to > me personally. > > > > ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL > at > http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

An email was posted to the WRG over ten years ago which referred to Lyman and Olive Whitney (see copy below). I just found that this family's Bible has been located and scans are available online at: http://www.chaseyourtale.com/ Holy Bible containing the Old and New Testaments, Published by Silas Andrus Hartford, 1828 [New Testament dated 1827] Lyman " Whitney born December th 19th 1804 Olive " Whitney Born May th 15 th 1809 Lyman & Olive Whitney Married January th 10th 1828 = Caroline " Amanda . Whitney . Born December th 27th 1828 = Caroline A.. Whitney Died October th 27th 1833 Aged . 4 . years and 10 . months Lyman Whitney Died July 24 1845 Aged 49 years 7 months and 5 days [in pencil and scribbled over] Phebe A. Whitney born July 27 1837 & died Oct 5 1854 Date: 11 Jun 96 19:55:09 EDT From: Jeanne Muse <102256.2027@CompuServe.COM> Subject: Jack Hilton's Whitneys Hello everyone - This was sent to me by our new member John (Jack) Hilton (71231.2702@compuserve.com). Anyone seeing connections, contact Jack! :-) Jeanne Here's the various & sundry WHITNEY's tied in w/HILTON lines, whose descendants I'd like to trace. Lyman WHITNEY, b. ca. 1805 NY, d. bef. 1860, m'd. Olive NEWMAN, dau. of John & Mary/Polly (HILTON) NEWMAN, b. 15 May 1809 NY, d. 25 Jun. 1887 Pontiac, MI. She's buried in Oak Hill Cem., Pontiac, MI. She m'd. (2) bef. 1860 Martin HALSTEAD, b. ca. 1804 PA. Lyman & Olive had: Caroline WHITNEY, b. 27 Dec. 1828, d. 27 Oct. 1833, buried in Oak Hill Cem., or Brewster Cem., Avon Twp, MI (markers in both); Phebe WHITNEY, b. ca. 1837 MI, d. aft. 1850 (living as of this yr.). (no further info., seeking descendants of Phebe & Lyman's line back.)

In a message dated 8/3/2007 10:54:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, croxton@acadiacom.net writes: > Robert, > > Is there some way the WRG can solve the problem of this erroneous > information continually "popping up" and confusing many, particularly > those who are just beginning. I know that when I first started the > quest of finding my Whitney "roots", I found Melville and was elated. > Another cousin and I looked carefully at the chronological order and > thought something was wrong, but didn't do anything because this had > been so eloquently "proven" Dear Bob: I can't answer for Robert, of course, but as far as I know the only way to avoid the posting of misleading information on the mail list is to have it "monitored." This means that all submissions to the list have to be reviewed by someone (the list administrator??) before actually being sent out to the list. I really cannot see this happening -- it would make the list far more awkward if not unfriendly to so many who are the ones who need it the most. The only answer I can see is continuing the way we are currently working. That means depending for the most part on Tim Doyle and Robert Ward's good will to spot the major faults and misinformation and responding with appropriate identification of the location of the accurate information about the persons being discussed. Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Keep in mind that TAG is a "cottage publication" - it is not backed by any historical society or organization. Instead, it is run by just a few editors. From what I understand, David Greene has the back issues (as well as extra copies of the current issue) in boxes at his home, and personally has to process the mail, cash the checks, find the issue(s), package them up, and ship them out, while still working on the next editions of TAG. This means that it typically takes some time for issues to arrive. Tim -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Croxton Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:54 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown,Mass. That makes two of us, Robert C. Whitney, List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Whitney" <lowell.whitney@quoinindustrial.com> To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown,Mass. > I too have sent in a check but have not recieved a copy of the > American Genealogist. Lowell Whitney > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Jonathan Whitney > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:16 AM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of > Watertown,Mass. > > > Robert, > > Is there some way the WRG can solve the problem of this erroneous > information continually "popping up" and confusing many, particularly > those who are just beginning. I know that when I first started the > quest of finding my Whitney "roots", I found Melville and was elated. > Another cousin and I looked carefully at the chronological order and > thought something was wrong, but didn't do anything because this had > been so eloquently "proven". For me, it happened in the late 1970s. > Then, I managed to get the data into my computer in the early 1980s. > And, it still keeps popping up. I think I've got it out, but I'm not > 100 percent sure. I guess it would be nice if we were able to either > block the info from discussion on the Whitney site, or in the interest > of preserving free speech, always flag it with a caveat. It's so easy > for someone to grab this, believe it to be the gospel and perpetuate > the myth. Just some thoughts. > > On another issue, I placed an order (with my check) for yours and > Tim's article in the American Genealogist, vol. 81, no. 4, Octl 2006, > pp. 249-262, re the Whitney Lineage of John Whitney of Watertown, > Massachusetts on July 14, but have not received it. Do you know if > others are having the same problem? > > Jon Whitney > > On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:41 PM, Robert L. Ward wrote: > > > Janice and others, > > > > At 09:55 PM 8/2/2007, Farns10th@aol.com wrote: > >> This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney > >> family of Watertown, Mass. sent on request > >> to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth > >> > >> Subject: WHITNEY. > >> Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families > >> of the State of > >> Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams > > > > The lineage given is wrong, despite Melville's book saying it is so. > > The Robert Whitney of generation (XIV) was not the same as Robert, > > son of Sir Robert Whitney of generation (XIII). Doubt was cast on > > this connection by Jacobus in 1933, on chronological grounds. The > > link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in 1994. Both articles > > are in _The American Genealogist_. > > > > An alternate theory of the Whitney ancestry just came out. See: > > > > Robert Leigh Ward and Tim Doyle, "The Whitney Lineage of John-1 > > Whitney > > of Watertown, Massachusetts," _The American Genealogist_, > > vol. 81, no. 4 > > (Oct 2006), pp. 249-262. > > > > It makes (XV) Thomas Whitney a possible second cousin, not a > > grandson, of (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney. See also the > > Whitney Research Group website at > > > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org > > > > The parts of Bond's _Watertown_ dealing with the Whitney family can > > also be found on the same website, at > > > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/ > > Archive:Early_Settlers_of_Watertown%2C_Massachusetts > > > > Regards, > > > > Robert > > > > Mr. Robert L. Ward > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Rlward > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: > 8/2/2007 2:22 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: > 8/2/2007 2:22 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I will be out of the office starting 07/30/2007 and will not return until 08/06/2007. I will be in class all week. If you need assistance with Lotus Notes, IP addresses, or MCS web accounts contact Thelma Brown @ 416-1229 or email her at brownt@mcsk12.net. All other calls should be directed to the call center 416-2700.

That makes two of us, Robert C. Whitney, List Administrator ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lowell Whitney" <lowell.whitney@quoinindustrial.com> To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown,Mass. > I too have sent in a check but have not recieved a copy of the American > Genealogist. > Lowell Whitney > > -----Original Message----- > From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com]On > Behalf Of Jonathan Whitney > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:16 AM > To: whitney@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of > Watertown,Mass. > > > Robert, > > Is there some way the WRG can solve the problem of this erroneous > information continually "popping up" and confusing many, particularly > those who are just beginning. I know that when I first started the > quest of finding my Whitney "roots", I found Melville and was elated. > Another cousin and I looked carefully at the chronological order and > thought something was wrong, but didn't do anything because this had > been so eloquently "proven". For me, it happened in the late 1970s. > Then, I managed to get the data into my computer in the early 1980s. > And, it still keeps popping up. I think I've got it out, but I'm not > 100 percent sure. I guess it would be nice if we were able to either > block the info from discussion on the Whitney site, or in the > interest of preserving free speech, always flag it with a caveat. > It's so easy for someone to grab this, believe it to be the gospel > and perpetuate the myth. Just some thoughts. > > On another issue, I placed an order (with my check) for yours and > Tim's article in the American Genealogist, vol. 81, no. 4, Octl 2006, > pp. 249-262, re the Whitney Lineage of John Whitney of Watertown, > Massachusetts on July 14, but have not received it. Do you know if > others are having the same problem? > > Jon Whitney > > On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:41 PM, Robert L. Ward wrote: > > > Janice and others, > > > > At 09:55 PM 8/2/2007, Farns10th@aol.com wrote: > >> This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney > >> family of > >> Watertown, Mass. sent on request > >> to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth > >> > >> Subject: WHITNEY. > >> Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families > >> of the > >> State of > >> Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams > > > > The lineage given is wrong, despite Melville's book saying it is > > so. The Robert Whitney of generation (XIV) was not the same as > > Robert, son of Sir Robert Whitney of generation (XIII). Doubt was > > cast on this connection by Jacobus in 1933, on chronological > > grounds. The link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in > > 1994. Both articles are in _The American Genealogist_. > > > > An alternate theory of the Whitney ancestry just came out. See: > > > > Robert Leigh Ward and Tim Doyle, "The Whitney Lineage of > > John-1 Whitney > > of Watertown, Massachusetts," _The American Genealogist_, > > vol. 81, no. 4 > > (Oct 2006), pp. 249-262. > > > > It makes (XV) Thomas Whitney a possible second cousin, not a > > grandson, of (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney. See also the > > Whitney Research Group website at > > > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org > > > > The parts of Bond's _Watertown_ dealing with the Whitney family can > > also be found on the same website, at > > > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/ > > Archive:Early_Settlers_of_Watertown%2C_Massachusetts > > > > Regards, > > > > Robert > > > > Mr. Robert L. Ward > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Rlward > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: 8/2/2007 > 2:22 PM > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: 8/2/2007 > 2:22 PM > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I also ordered the TAG issue with the Whitney article, and I haven't received it either. However, my most recent bank statement indicates that they have cashed my check, so there is hope. Maybe they were overwhelmed by requests! Esther Whitney Mott ----- Original Message ----- From: whitney-request@rootsweb.com To: whitney@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 7:28 AM Subject: WHITNEY Digest, Vol 2, Issue 137 Today's Topics: 1. Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. (Farns10th@aol.com) 2. Re: Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. (Farns10th@aol.com) 3. Whitney Samplers (adrian brisee) 4. Re: Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. (Robert L. Ward) 5. Re: Whitney Samplers (Tim Doyle) 6. Re: Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. (Jonathan Whitney) 7. Re: Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. (Lowell Whitney) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:55:13 EDT From: Farns10th@aol.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. To: GenMassachusetts-L@rootsweb.com Cc: whitney@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <ce4.17370873.33e3e501@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney family of Watertownl, Mass. sent on request to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth Subject: WHITNEY. Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the State of Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams MASSACHUSETTS. p.1 The surname Whitney was originally a place name. The parish from which the family takes its name is located in County Hereford, England, upon the extreme western border, adjoining Wales and is traversed by the lovely Wye river. The name of the place doubtless comes from the appearance of the river, meaning in Saxon, white water, from hecit, white, and ey, water. The coat of arms of the Whitney family of Whitney is: Azure, a cross chequy or and gules. Crest: A bull's head couped sable, armed argent, the points gules. The English ancestry of John Whitney, the immigrant who settled at Watertown, Massachusetts, has been established by Henry Melville and presented in an exquisi- tely printed and illustrated volume. Very few Amerian families have their English genealogy in such well authenticated and satisfactory form. An abstract of the English ancestry is given below. (I) Turstin, "the Fleming," otherwise known as Turstin de Wigmore, probably also as Turstin, son of Rolf, and Turstin "the White," was a follower of William the Conqueror. He was mentioned in the Domesday book as an extensive land holder in herefordshire and the Marches of Wales. He married Agnes, daughter of Alured de Merleberge, a Norman baron of Ewias Castle, in the Marches of Wales. (II) Eustace, son of Turstin, was a benefactor of the monastery of St. Peter, in Gloucester, England. He or one of his immediate descendants took the surname De Whitney from Whitney on the Wye, in the Marches of Wales, where his principal castle was located. The estate comprised over two thousand acres, and remained in the family until 1893, when it was sold, there being no member of the family to hold it. The castle has entirely disappeared, but it is believed to be in ruins under the Wye, which has in the course of years changed its path. The castle was probably built on an artificial mound, surrounded by a moat fed by the river, which gradually undermined the castle, which was at last disintegrated. (III) Sir Robert de Whitney, a direct descendant of Eustace, was living in 1242 and was mentioned in the "Testa de Nevill." Three or four intervening generations cannot be stated with certainty. (IV) Sir Eustace de Whitney, son of Sir Robert, gave deed to the monastery of St. Peter in 1280, referring to and confirming the deed of his ancestors above ment- ioned. He was Lord of Pencombe, Little Cowarn and Whitney in 1281; was granted free warren by Edward I in 1284; summoned to wars beyond the seas in 1297; tenant of part of the manor of Huntington in 1299; in Scotch war in 1301. He was possibly grandson instead of son of Sir Robert. (V) Sir Eustace de Whitney, son of Sir Eustace, was knighted by Edward I in 1306 and was a member of Parliament for Herefordshire in 1313 and 1352. (VI) Sir Robert de Whitney, son of Sir Eusatce, was one of two hundred gentlemen who went to Milan in the retinue of the Duke of Clarence on occasion of the latter's marriage in 1368. He was a member of parliament for Herefordshire in 1377, 1379 and 1380 and Sheriff in 1377. (VII) Sir Robert Whitney, son of Sir Robert, was sent abroad to negotiate treaty with the Count of Flanders in 1388; a member of Parliament for Herefordshire in 1391. He was sent to France to deliver the castle and town of Cherbourg to the King of Navarre in 1393; was knight marshal in the Court of Richard II; sent on King's business with his brother and most of his relatives, at the battle of Pilleth, 1402. (VIII) Sir Robert Whitney, son of Sir Robert, was granted the castle of Clifford and lordship of Clifford and Glasbury by Henry IV in 1404, on account of the services of his father. He was Sheriff of Herfordshire 1416-1422. He fought in the French war under Henry V, and was Captain of the castle and town of Vire in 1420. He was named as one of the five knights in Hereforshire in 1433, and died March 12, 1441. p.2 (IX) Sir Eustace de Whitney, son of Sir Robert, was born in 1411. He was head of a commission sent to Wales by Henry VI in 1455 and was a member of parliament for Herefordshire in 1468. He married Jenett Russell; he m. (2) Jane Clifford. (X) Robert Whitney, son of Sir Eustace (9) was probably a knight and was an active participant in the War of the Roses, and was attainted as a Yorkist in 1459. He was probably at the battle of Mortimer's Cross in 1461. He was the subject of a poem by Lewis Glyn Cothi, on the occasion of his marriage to Alice, the great- granddaughter of Sir David Gam. He married first, Alice daughter of Thomas Vaughan; second, Constance Touchett, who was the mother of his sons. She was decended from William the Conqueror, through the second wife of Edward I, King of England. (XI) James Whitney, son of Robert, was appointed receiver of Newport, part of the estate of the Duke of Buckingham, confiscated by Henry VII in 1522. He married Blanche, daughter and an heir of Simon Milbourne. (XII) Robert Whitney, son of James Whitney was of Icomb and in charge of other consfiscated estates. He was Sheriff of Gloucestershire, 1527, 1528, 1529 and 1530. He was nominated Knight of the Bath by Henry VIII at the coronation of Anne Boleyn in 1531; was granted part of income of monastery of Brewern in 1535; furn- ished forty men to put down the rebellion in 1536. He was named to attend upon the King's person. He died in 1541, and his Will was proved June 11, 1541. He married Margaret Wye. (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney, son of Robert, was knighted in October, 1553. He was summoned before the Privy Council in 1555 and 1559. He was a member of Parliament for Herefordshire in 1559, and died August 5, 1567. He married Sybil Baskerville, a descendant of William the Conqueror through the first wife of Edward I. (XIV) Robert Whitney son of Sir Robert, was mentioned in the Will of his father, and also in an inquisition taken after the latter's death. He married Elizabeth, daughter of Morgan Guillims, or Duglim. (XV) Thomas Whitney, son of Robert, was of Westminster, Gentleman. He was buried at St. Margaret's, April 14, 1637. He married Mary, the daughter of John Bray of Westminster; she was buried at St. Margaret's September 25, 1629. Children: 1. John Whitney, the American emigrant, settled at Watertown, Massachusetts. 2. Nicholas Whitney. 3. William Whitney. 4. Richard Whitney 5. Margaret Whitney. 6. Anne Whitney. End. Transcribed by Janice Farnsworth This file together with John Whitney, Bond's Watertown - sent on request to me personally. ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 23:48:43 EDT From: Farns10th@aol.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. To: Robert@RLWard.com, whitney@rootsweb.com, GenMassachusetts-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <bc4.1731e53b.33e3ff9b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" In a message dated 8/2/2007 9:42:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Robert@RLWard.com writes: The link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in 1994. Both articles are in _The American Genealogist_. Yes, now that you mention that I recall P. C. Reed in 1994 and the big debate. I just type them, I dont research them. Janice Farnsworth ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 21:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: adrian brisee <abrisee@yahoo.com> Subject: [WHITNEY] Whitney Samplers To: whitney@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <538160.32501.qm@web52112.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 There are two Whitney samplers being offered on a live auction on ebay. The item number is 110155314683 and the live auction will be August 9th. But for those of us who can't afford them, (the two start at $150.00) they provided excellent pictures of the items. The following were copied from the ad. Family Record George W Martin dec 17. 1887 Agnes W Hutchinson jan 22. 1891 married jan 29. 1916 Amy Temberton [could be Pemberton] jan 24. 1917 Julia Whitney dec 4. 1916 [or 1918] Agnes Wharton dec 30. 1922 George Whitney jan 25. 1926 Fanny Alice june 5. 1981 Family Record Warham Whitney born. April 27 1786 ? Nancy Whitney born. Feb 2 1792 ? _______________Married June 30 1811 ? Caroline Whitney born. August 28 1812 ? Olive Whitney born. June 19 1814 ? Lois Ann Whitney born. Oct 8 1816 ? George Whitney born. Jan 26 1819 ? James M Whitney born. Feb 24 1821 ? Laura Jane Whitney born. Jan 16 1824 Nelson W Whitney born. Feb 26 1826 ? ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 23:41:40 -0400 From: "Robert L. Ward" <Robert@RLWard.com> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. To: whitney@rootsweb.com, GenMassachusetts-L@rootsweb.com, Farns10th@aol.com Message-ID: <0JM6009S8IAB99B3@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Janice and others, At 09:55 PM 8/2/2007, Farns10th@aol.com wrote: >This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney family of >Watertown, Mass. sent on request >to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth > >Subject: WHITNEY. >Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the >State of >Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams The lineage given is wrong, despite Melville's book saying it is so. The Robert Whitney of generation (XIV) was not the same as Robert, son of Sir Robert Whitney of generation (XIII). Doubt was cast on this connection by Jacobus in 1933, on chronological grounds. The link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in 1994. Both articles are in _The American Genealogist_. An alternate theory of the Whitney ancestry just came out. See: Robert Leigh Ward and Tim Doyle, "The Whitney Lineage of John-1 Whitney of Watertown, Massachusetts," _The American Genealogist_, vol. 81, no. 4 (Oct 2006), pp. 249-262. It makes (XV) Thomas Whitney a possible second cousin, not a grandson, of (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney. See also the Whitney Research Group website at http://wiki.whitneygen.org The parts of Bond's _Watertown_ dealing with the Whitney family can also be found on the same website, at http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Archive:Early_Settlers_of_Watertown%2C_Massachusetts Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Rlward ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 07:30:10 -0500 From: "Tim Doyle" <tim@greenscourt.com> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Whitney Samplers To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> Cc: jjensen@wilmington.net Message-ID: <000201c7d5ca$09623690$5901a8c0@outburst.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The second sampler related to the family of Warham-7 Whitney (John-6, Joshua-5, Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1). For more information, see: http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney%2C_Warham_%281786-18 40%29 The closest relative we have on file is a direct descendant, Susan T. Jensen. Other close relatives include Janet Kral, Victoria & Doug Smith, Candace Klomann, Elizabeth White, Clifford Dale Whitney, Stuart Pyper, Karen Bree, Carol Logan, David Norcutt, Kim Holeton, Matthew R. Whitney, and "Effie15" on the WRG website. Tim -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of adrian brisee Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:30 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Whitney Samplers There are two Whitney samplers being offered on a live auction on ebay. The item number is 110155314683 and the live auction will be August 9th. But for those of us who can't afford them, (the two start at $150.00) they provided excellent pictures of the items. The following were copied from the ad. Family Record George W Martin dec 17. 1887 Agnes W Hutchinson jan 22. 1891 married jan 29. 1916 Amy Temberton [could be Pemberton] jan 24. 1917 Julia Whitney dec 4. 1916 [or 1918] Agnes Wharton dec 30. 1922 George Whitney jan 25. 1926 Fanny Alice june 5. 1981 Family Record Warham Whitney born. April 27 1786 ? Nancy Whitney born. Feb 2 1792 ? _______________Married June 30 1811 ? Caroline Whitney born. August 28 1812 ? Olive Whitney born. June 19 1814 ? Lois Ann Whitney born. Oct 8 1816 ? George Whitney born. Jan 26 1819 ? James M Whitney born. Feb 24 1821 ? Laura Jane Whitney born. Jan 16 1824 Nelson W Whitney born. Feb 26 1826 ? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 09:16:05 -0500 From: Jonathan Whitney <ccreview@grics.net> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. To: whitney@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <94C8D0FD-EC24-48CB-A6F7-3BE4E9AA1243@grics.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Robert, Is there some way the WRG can solve the problem of this erroneous information continually "popping up" and confusing many, particularly those who are just beginning. I know that when I first started the quest of finding my Whitney "roots", I found Melville and was elated. Another cousin and I looked carefully at the chronological order and thought something was wrong, but didn't do anything because this had been so eloquently "proven". For me, it happened in the late 1970s. Then, I managed to get the data into my computer in the early 1980s. And, it still keeps popping up. I think I've got it out, but I'm not 100 percent sure. I guess it would be nice if we were able to either block the info from discussion on the Whitney site, or in the interest of preserving free speech, always flag it with a caveat. It's so easy for someone to grab this, believe it to be the gospel and perpetuate the myth. Just some thoughts. On another issue, I placed an order (with my check) for yours and Tim's article in the American Genealogist, vol. 81, no. 4, Octl 2006, pp. 249-262, re the Whitney Lineage of John Whitney of Watertown, Massachusetts on July 14, but have not received it. Do you know if others are having the same problem? Jon Whitney On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:41 PM, Robert L. Ward wrote: > Janice and others, > > At 09:55 PM 8/2/2007, Farns10th@aol.com wrote: >> This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney >> family of >> Watertown, Mass. sent on request >> to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth >> >> Subject: WHITNEY. >> Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families >> of the >> State of >> Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams > > The lineage given is wrong, despite Melville's book saying it is > so. The Robert Whitney of generation (XIV) was not the same as > Robert, son of Sir Robert Whitney of generation (XIII). Doubt was > cast on this connection by Jacobus in 1933, on chronological > grounds. The link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in > 1994. Both articles are in _The American Genealogist_. > > An alternate theory of the Whitney ancestry just came out. See: > > Robert Leigh Ward and Tim Doyle, "The Whitney Lineage of > John-1 Whitney > of Watertown, Massachusetts," _The American Genealogist_, > vol. 81, no. 4 > (Oct 2006), pp. 249-262. > > It makes (XV) Thomas Whitney a possible second cousin, not a > grandson, of (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney. See also the > Whitney Research Group website at > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org > > The parts of Bond's _Watertown_ dealing with the Whitney family can > also be found on the same website, at > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/ > Archive:Early_Settlers_of_Watertown%2C_Massachusetts > > Regards, > > Robert > > Mr. Robert L. Ward > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Rlward > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2007 08:30:27 -0600 From: "Lowell Whitney" <lowell.whitney@quoinindustrial.com> Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown, Mass. To: <whitney@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DIENIKAAMACMOJKOHJBPAENIDBAA.lowell.whitney@quoinindustrial.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" I too have sent in a check but have not recieved a copy of the American Genealogist. Lowell Whitney -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Whitney Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:16 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown,Mass. Robert, Is there some way the WRG can solve the problem of this erroneous information continually "popping up" and confusing many, particularly those who are just beginning. I know that when I first started the quest of finding my Whitney "roots", I found Melville and was elated. Another cousin and I looked carefully at the chronological order and thought something was wrong, but didn't do anything because this had been so eloquently "proven". For me, it happened in the late 1970s. Then, I managed to get the data into my computer in the early 1980s. And, it still keeps popping up. I think I've got it out, but I'm not 100 percent sure. I guess it would be nice if we were able to either block the info from discussion on the Whitney site, or in the interest of preserving free speech, always flag it with a caveat. It's so easy for someone to grab this, believe it to be the gospel and perpetuate the myth. Just some thoughts. On another issue, I placed an order (with my check) for yours and Tim's article in the American Genealogist, vol. 81, no. 4, Octl 2006, pp. 249-262, re the Whitney Lineage of John Whitney of Watertown, Massachusetts on July 14, but have not received it. Do you know if others are having the same problem? Jon Whitney On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:41 PM, Robert L. Ward wrote: > Janice and others, > > At 09:55 PM 8/2/2007, Farns10th@aol.com wrote: >> This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney >> family of >> Watertown, Mass. sent on request >> to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth >> >> Subject: WHITNEY. >> Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families >> of the >> State of >> Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams > > The lineage given is wrong, despite Melville's book saying it is > so. The Robert Whitney of generation (XIV) was not the same as > Robert, son of Sir Robert Whitney of generation (XIII). Doubt was > cast on this connection by Jacobus in 1933, on chronological > grounds. The link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in > 1994. Both articles are in _The American Genealogist_. > > An alternate theory of the Whitney ancestry just came out. See: > > Robert Leigh Ward and Tim Doyle, "The Whitney Lineage of > John-1 Whitney > of Watertown, Massachusetts," _The American Genealogist_, > vol. 81, no. 4 > (Oct 2006), pp. 249-262. > > It makes (XV) Thomas Whitney a possible second cousin, not a > grandson, of (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney. See also the > Whitney Research Group website at > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org > > The parts of Bond's _Watertown_ dealing with the Whitney family can > also be found on the same website, at > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/ > Archive:Early_Settlers_of_Watertown%2C_Massachusetts > > Regards, > > Robert > > Mr. Robert L. 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Robert, Is there some way the WRG can solve the problem of this erroneous information continually "popping up" and confusing many, particularly those who are just beginning. I know that when I first started the quest of finding my Whitney "roots", I found Melville and was elated. Another cousin and I looked carefully at the chronological order and thought something was wrong, but didn't do anything because this had been so eloquently "proven". For me, it happened in the late 1970s. Then, I managed to get the data into my computer in the early 1980s. And, it still keeps popping up. I think I've got it out, but I'm not 100 percent sure. I guess it would be nice if we were able to either block the info from discussion on the Whitney site, or in the interest of preserving free speech, always flag it with a caveat. It's so easy for someone to grab this, believe it to be the gospel and perpetuate the myth. Just some thoughts. On another issue, I placed an order (with my check) for yours and Tim's article in the American Genealogist, vol. 81, no. 4, Octl 2006, pp. 249-262, re the Whitney Lineage of John Whitney of Watertown, Massachusetts on July 14, but have not received it. Do you know if others are having the same problem? Jon Whitney On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:41 PM, Robert L. Ward wrote: > Janice and others, > > At 09:55 PM 8/2/2007, Farns10th@aol.com wrote: >> This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney >> family of >> Watertown, Mass. sent on request >> to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth >> >> Subject: WHITNEY. >> Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families >> of the >> State of >> Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams > > The lineage given is wrong, despite Melville's book saying it is > so. The Robert Whitney of generation (XIV) was not the same as > Robert, son of Sir Robert Whitney of generation (XIII). Doubt was > cast on this connection by Jacobus in 1933, on chronological > grounds. The link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in > 1994. Both articles are in _The American Genealogist_. > > An alternate theory of the Whitney ancestry just came out. See: > > Robert Leigh Ward and Tim Doyle, "The Whitney Lineage of > John-1 Whitney > of Watertown, Massachusetts," _The American Genealogist_, > vol. 81, no. 4 > (Oct 2006), pp. 249-262. > > It makes (XV) Thomas Whitney a possible second cousin, not a > grandson, of (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney. See also the > Whitney Research Group website at > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org > > The parts of Bond's _Watertown_ dealing with the Whitney family can > also be found on the same website, at > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/ > Archive:Early_Settlers_of_Watertown%2C_Massachusetts > > Regards, > > Robert > > Mr. Robert L. Ward > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Rlward > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I too have sent in a check but have not recieved a copy of the American Genealogist. Lowell Whitney -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan Whitney Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 8:16 AM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY] Ancestors in England of John Whitney of Watertown,Mass. Robert, Is there some way the WRG can solve the problem of this erroneous information continually "popping up" and confusing many, particularly those who are just beginning. I know that when I first started the quest of finding my Whitney "roots", I found Melville and was elated. Another cousin and I looked carefully at the chronological order and thought something was wrong, but didn't do anything because this had been so eloquently "proven". For me, it happened in the late 1970s. Then, I managed to get the data into my computer in the early 1980s. And, it still keeps popping up. I think I've got it out, but I'm not 100 percent sure. I guess it would be nice if we were able to either block the info from discussion on the Whitney site, or in the interest of preserving free speech, always flag it with a caveat. It's so easy for someone to grab this, believe it to be the gospel and perpetuate the myth. Just some thoughts. On another issue, I placed an order (with my check) for yours and Tim's article in the American Genealogist, vol. 81, no. 4, Octl 2006, pp. 249-262, re the Whitney Lineage of John Whitney of Watertown, Massachusetts on July 14, but have not received it. Do you know if others are having the same problem? Jon Whitney On Aug 2, 2007, at 10:41 PM, Robert L. Ward wrote: > Janice and others, > > At 09:55 PM 8/2/2007, Farns10th@aol.com wrote: >> This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney >> family of >> Watertown, Mass. sent on request >> to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth >> >> Subject: WHITNEY. >> Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families >> of the >> State of >> Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams > > The lineage given is wrong, despite Melville's book saying it is > so. The Robert Whitney of generation (XIV) was not the same as > Robert, son of Sir Robert Whitney of generation (XIII). Doubt was > cast on this connection by Jacobus in 1933, on chronological > grounds. The link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in > 1994. Both articles are in _The American Genealogist_. > > An alternate theory of the Whitney ancestry just came out. See: > > Robert Leigh Ward and Tim Doyle, "The Whitney Lineage of > John-1 Whitney > of Watertown, Massachusetts," _The American Genealogist_, > vol. 81, no. 4 > (Oct 2006), pp. 249-262. > > It makes (XV) Thomas Whitney a possible second cousin, not a > grandson, of (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney. See also the > Whitney Research Group website at > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org > > The parts of Bond's _Watertown_ dealing with the Whitney family can > also be found on the same website, at > > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/ > Archive:Early_Settlers_of_Watertown%2C_Massachusetts > > Regards, > > Robert > > Mr. Robert L. Ward > http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Rlward > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: 8/2/2007 2:22 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.2/933 - Release Date: 8/2/2007 2:22 PM

The second sampler related to the family of Warham-7 Whitney (John-6, Joshua-5, Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1). For more information, see: http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Family:Whitney%2C_Warham_%281786-18 40%29 The closest relative we have on file is a direct descendant, Susan T. Jensen. Other close relatives include Janet Kral, Victoria & Doug Smith, Candace Klomann, Elizabeth White, Clifford Dale Whitney, Stuart Pyper, Karen Bree, Carol Logan, David Norcutt, Kim Holeton, Matthew R. Whitney, and "Effie15" on the WRG website. Tim -----Original Message----- From: whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whitney-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of adrian brisee Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:30 PM To: whitney@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITNEY] Whitney Samplers There are two Whitney samplers being offered on a live auction on ebay. The item number is 110155314683 and the live auction will be August 9th. But for those of us who can't afford them, (the two start at $150.00) they provided excellent pictures of the items. The following were copied from the ad. Family Record George W Martin dec 17. 1887 Agnes W Hutchinson jan 22. 1891 married jan 29. 1916 Amy Temberton [could be Pemberton] jan 24. 1917 Julia Whitney dec 4. 1916 [or 1918] Agnes Wharton dec 30. 1922 George Whitney jan 25. 1926 Fanny Alice june 5. 1981 Family Record Warham Whitney born. April 27 1786 º Nancy Whitney born. Feb 2 1792 º _______________Married June 30 1811 º Caroline Whitney born. August 28 1812 º Olive Whitney born. June 19 1814 º Lois Ann Whitney born. Oct 8 1816 º George Whitney born. Jan 26 1819 º James M Whitney born. Feb 24 1821 º Laura Jane Whitney born. Jan 16 1824 Nelson W Whitney born. Feb 26 1826 º ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHITNEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 8/2/2007 9:42:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time, Robert@RLWard.com writes: The link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in 1994. Both articles are in _The American Genealogist_. Yes, now that you mention that I recall P. C. Reed in 1994 and the big debate. I just type them, I dont research them. Janice Farnsworth ************************************** Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour

Janice and others, At 09:55 PM 8/2/2007, Farns10th@aol.com wrote: >This transcription with the full transcription of the Whitney family of >Watertown, Mass. sent on request >to me, personally. - Janice Farnsworth > >Subject: WHITNEY. >Source: Genealogical & Personal Memoirs Relating to the Families of the >State of >Massachusetts by William Richard Cutter, William Frederick Adams The lineage given is wrong, despite Melville's book saying it is so. The Robert Whitney of generation (XIV) was not the same as Robert, son of Sir Robert Whitney of generation (XIII). Doubt was cast on this connection by Jacobus in 1933, on chronological grounds. The link was finally disproven by Paul C. Reed in 1994. Both articles are in _The American Genealogist_. An alternate theory of the Whitney ancestry just came out. See: Robert Leigh Ward and Tim Doyle, "The Whitney Lineage of John-1 Whitney of Watertown, Massachusetts," _The American Genealogist_, vol. 81, no. 4 (Oct 2006), pp. 249-262. It makes (XV) Thomas Whitney a possible second cousin, not a grandson, of (XIII) Sir Robert Whitney of Whitney. See also the Whitney Research Group website at http://wiki.whitneygen.org The parts of Bond's _Watertown_ dealing with the Whitney family can also be found on the same website, at http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/Archive:Early_Settlers_of_Watertown%2C_Massachusetts Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward http://wiki.whitneygen.org/wrg/index.php/User:Rlward

There are two Whitney samplers being offered on a live auction on ebay. The item number is 110155314683 and the live auction will be August 9th. But for those of us who can't afford them, (the two start at $150.00) they provided excellent pictures of the items. The following were copied from the ad. Family Record George W Martin dec 17. 1887 Agnes W Hutchinson jan 22. 1891 married jan 29. 1916 Amy Temberton [could be Pemberton] jan 24. 1917 Julia Whitney dec 4. 1916 [or 1918] Agnes Wharton dec 30. 1922 George Whitney jan 25. 1926 Fanny Alice june 5. 1981 Family Record Warham Whitney born. April 27 1786 º Nancy Whitney born. Feb 2 1792 º _______________Married June 30 1811 º Caroline Whitney born. August 28 1812 º Olive Whitney born. June 19 1814 º Lois Ann Whitney born. Oct 8 1816 º George Whitney born. Jan 26 1819 º James M Whitney born. Feb 24 1821 º Laura Jane Whitney born. Jan 16 1824 Nelson W Whitney born. Feb 26 1826 º