Dear WRG, At 07:36 PM 9/24/00 -0400, Jeanne Muse wrote: >Robert L. Ward <rlward1@erols.com> wrote on 20 Sep 2000 > > >>Jeanne, >I just visited <http://www.my-ged.com/whitneys>. I found two >individuals who are surely the same. See > <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/635>, > <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/637>. >Since "Peggy" is a nickname for "Margaret," these two couples >must be identical. > >For the identity of the husband Elijah WHITNEY, I propose >(without any proof, of course!) Elijah-7 WHITNEY [Daniel-6, >Elijah-5, Daniel-4, John-3,2,1], b. 16 Jan 1771, Boston, MA, >who was age-appropriate and geographically proximate. They >were second cousins once removed.<< > >Robert: I am responding to your message thru Whitney-L since others >might be interested in our discussion or have more to add. > >Good analogy, and you are right that the localities make sense. But they >are not likely the same person since the 2 Elijahs and the 2 >Margaret/Peggy women appear to be in different generations. Referring >to all of our transcribed VRs (Roxbury, Newton, Warwick and Brookline) >and referring to Pierce and the NEHGR, I come up with the following >possibility: > >Elijah Whitney <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/637> b. circa >1739 (based upon his spouse's birthdate of 8 May 1741). I propose that >he is probably Elijah-6 (Elijah-5, Daniel-4, John 3-2-1) bapt. 23 Sep >1744 in Roxbury, son of Elijah-5 Whitney and Hannah Coffin. > >Elijah Whitney <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/635> b. circa >1778 may have been the Elijah-7 you listed b. 15 Jan 1771, son of >Daniel-6 Whitney and Sarah Gay. > >I feel confident enough with the above to remove the above from the >Misc. Whitneys database and assign them as I have done above. > >;-) Jeanne W. Muse >jwmuse@compuserve.com >----------------------------------------- There is only one marriage of an Elijah WHITNEY to a Margaret or Peggy WHITNEY, and that is on 25 Mar 1798, Newton, MA (see VRs). The Margaret WHITNEY who was b. 8 May 1741 in Newton, MA, d. 29 Dec 1769, Newton, aged 29 years (see VRs), unmarried. If she had been married, she would have been listed in the death record as "w. of Elijah," which isn't the way the record reads. That means that there is only one Margaret, and so only one Elijah. What became of Elijah-6 WHITNEY [Elijah-5, Daniel-4, John-3,2,1], bapt. 23 Sep 1744, Roxbury, MA, I can't say. I think you should re-think your conclusions. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward WHITNEY Research Group <http://www.whitneygen.org/>

This appeared on the Broome County list. I hope no Whitney markers were involved! -----Original Message----- From: Vicki Titus To: NYBROOME-L@rootsweb.com <NYBROOME-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 23, 2000 11:57 AM Subject: Cemetery preservation >For all of you that were touched/angered by the story about the old >cemetery I sent a link to, you might want to know that some of the >cemeteries in our area might be in as bad shape. > >Town Historians are responsible for cemeteries that are still in use, but I >suspect they can only make their limited budgets go so far. Here is part >of a note I received from the Lisle historian in the daily flow of things - > >"The care of old cemeteries should be the responsibility of each town and >the >historian, as a town official, could take the initiative to see that such >care is done. In Lisle, the Odd Fellow's Lodge does the mowing and any >other >physical maintenance. Other groups could be enlisted to do the same. Of >course, some town officials could probably care less. " > >and farther on in the came letter, sent in 1999 > >"Last summer, a vandalized cemetery in Whitney Point, NY had the stones >repaired by a group that does stone work. All the costs of the repairs was >donated, so where there's a will, there's a way. " > >end of snippets. > >I don't know the solution to the situation, especially for those of us >living so far away. Local people could volunteer to help by recording >small unused cemeteries to at least try to save them before they disappear, >but for the rest of us.... > >Vicki > >______________________________

Dear Dragan: I don't have anything on Whitney Warren, but others in our Whitney Research Group (http://www.whitneygen.org) might, so I've forwarded a copy of this message to them. Good luck! Jeanne (Whitney) Muse ----- Original Message ----- From: Dragan Vugdelic <Dragan.Vugdelic@britcoun.org.yu> To: jwmuse@compuserve.com Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:27 AM Subject: Inquiry Deaer Sir/Madam, I am in search os some data on the life and work of Whitney Warren who wrote about the events in Europe during and after WWI (Belgium, Serbia, Trieste, Montenegro, etc.). It he be one of your line, I would appreciate very much to get some information on him. Yours truly, Dragan Vugdelic Manager, British Information Centre & British Honorary Consul Podgorica, Montenegro, FRY

Robert: I have no clue about her, but other members of the Whitney Research Group (http://www.whitneygen.org) might, so I've forwarded a copy to them. Good luck! Jeanne (Whitney) Muse ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Bowman" <rbowman57@hotmail.com> To: <jwmuse@compuserve.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 11:47 AM Subject: Constance Whitney Warren I am currently researching an american sculptress called Constance Whitney Warren who was working in Paris 1910-1930. I understand she was a friend of Gertrude Vanderbilt Whitney and am trying to establish if they were related through marriage or just met socially. Any information you could provide me with would be gratefully received . Thanks in advance Robert Bowman ________________________________________________________________________ _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

Ken Just out of curosity, does the Bible list any births of Whitney's in connecticut around 1824? I am looking for an Adeline born about that time period in connecticut according to the census records. Thanks, Jerry

Dear Louise: I have a feeling that your Charles Whitney families are connected to the Henry Whitney of Connecticut line -- but I have no proof. The index for Phoenix's "Whitney Family of Connecticut" contains surnames that are very close in spelling to your HULBURT ... but unfortunately, noone named Sara or Jonathan are listed in his volumes. The similar surnames are: Halbert, Hilbert, Hobart, Holbert, Hubbard, Hubert, Hulbert, Hulburd, Hurlburt, Hulbut and Hurlbutt. Definitely one for using soundex! I will add your query to our Miscellaneous Whitney database for future reference. Maybe someone will come upon it in the future to help you. Good luck! Jeanne (Whitney) Muse jwmuse@compuserve.com ------------------------------------------ Researching GOLDSMITH, REED, WHITNEY http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/roots.htm ----------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louise McCrite" <happygrandma1@pdqnet.com> To: <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 2:19 PM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] New to List Hi, I am new to this list. I am looking for Charles Whitney, born about 1847 in NEW YORK, and his parents. He married Sara Hulburt about 1872 probably in Pennsylvania. Two children, William Henry Whitney, b. 13 Mar 1873, PA, Mary Whitney, b. 1879, PA. Believe Charles was married once before, had a daughter. In the 1880 census for Union/Tioga PA, Sara and children are living with Sara's parents, Jonathan and Clarretta Hulburt. Any suggestions about how I would find out if Charles Whitney died? Or possibly left the family? Louise McCrite - State Coordinator Sacramento County-CAGenExchange: http://www.genexchange.org/county.cfm?state=CA&county=Sacramento CAGenExchange: http://www.genexchange.org/state.cfm?state=CA USGenExchange: http://www.genexchange.org/us.cfm Help keep genealogy free....Volunteer at the GenExchange

Is anyone familiar with a Benjamin Whitney who lived in Wrentham, MA in the very early 1700s? Colleen Knights

Robert L. Ward <rlward1@erols.com> wrote on 20 Sep 2000 >>Jeanne, I just visited <http://www.my-ged.com/whitneys>. I found two individuals who are surely the same. See <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/635>, <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/637>. Since "Peggy" is a nickname for "Margaret," these two couples must be identical. For the identity of the husband Elijah WHITNEY, I propose (without any proof, of course!) Elijah-7 WHITNEY [Daniel-6, Elijah-5, Daniel-4, John-3,2,1], b. 16 Jan 1771, Boston, MA, who was age-appropriate and geographically proximate. They were second cousins once removed.<< Robert: I am responding to your message thru Whitney-L since others might be interested in our discussion or have more to add. Good analogy, and you are right that the localities make sense. But they are not likely the same person since the 2 Elijahs and the 2 Margaret/Peggy women appear to be in different generations. Referring to all of our transcribed VRs (Roxbury, Newton, Warwick and Brookline) and referring to Pierce and the NEHGR, I come up with the following possibility: Elijah Whitney <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/637> b. circa 1739 (based upon his spouse's birthdate of 8 May 1741). I propose that he is probably Elijah-6 (Elijah-5, Daniel-4, John 3-2-1) bapt. 23 Sep 1744 in Roxbury, son of Elijah-5 Whitney and Hannah Coffin. Elijah Whitney <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/635> b. circa 1778 may have been the Elijah-7 you listed b. 15 Jan 1771, son of Daniel-6 Whitney and Sarah Gay. I feel confident enough with the above to remove the above from the Misc. Whitneys database and assign them as I have done above. ;-) Jeanne W. Muse jwmuse@compuserve.com ------------------------------------------

Robert L. Ward <rlward1@erols.com> wrote on 21 Sep 2000 >>Jeanne, Sophia WHITNEY who m. 1 Dec 1817, Tewksbury, MA, Jesse FLEMINGS, appears in Pierce: <http://www.whitneygen.org/archives/extracts/pierce/p101-106.htm#P490>. See your <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/749>.<< Notice, Robert, that Pierce did not follow the line any further. Thanks to the data submitted by Alison Buliavac (zorrosmom@earthlink.net) we have information on Sophia's husband and 2 of their children per my page above. I will include the data in my personal database for future reference, but delete them from the MiscWhit gedcom. Thanks once again! ;-) Jeanne

Thank you, Robert! The information in the MiscWhit database must have been there since the early days, or I would have caught it myself since this couple is in my personal data too. My Source Citation for this query was: Query from Walter Harry Hall (walter.hall@osg.net), Mailing address: 3961 Old Lakelse Lake Dr., Terrace, B.C., Canada V8G 3V1. ('connected through the Burge, Chandler, Butterfield line' Source: Descendants of William and Annis Chandler by George Chandler [Press of Charles Hamilton 1883] p.71). Mr. Hall said that Hannah was the daug. of Moses Chandler and Annis Sanborn, so her correct surname should be Chandler. ;-) Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Ward" <rlward1@erols.com> To: <jwmuse@compuserve.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:54 PM Subject: Joseph WHITNEY Jeanne, Joseph WHITNEY <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/50> was Joseph-5 WHITNEY [Thomas-4, Thomas-3, Thomas-2, John-1]. His wife was Hannah (SANBORN) CHANDLER. He was b. 1715-16, not recorded in VRs. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward WHITNEY Research Group <http://www.whitneygen.org/>

Robert L. Ward <rlward1@erols.com> wrote on 21 Sep 2000 >>Jeanne, I am quite sure that Susannah WHITNEY who m. 15 Sep 1757, Nathaniel WHITNEY, must be the same as Susannah-5 WHITNEY, b. 25 Jul 1738, Brunswick, ME, dau. of Samuel-4 and Lydia (-----) WHITNEY [John-3, Benjamin-2, John-1]. They were second cousins. See <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/626>. << Robert: This does seem very likely. BTW, our Witney14 database shows Lydia's surname as SPOONER. Thanks again! ;-) Jeanne

Good, Robert! I will forward your message to Bob Young, Secretary of the Kemp Family Association, KempAssn@aol.com , who had originally inquired about Mercy. She has been removed from the MiscWhit gedcom as found! ;-) Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Ward" <rlward1@erols.com> To: <jwmuse@compuserve.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 11:53 PM Subject: Mercy (WHITNEY) KEYES Jeanne, Mercy WHITNEY who m. 19 Mar 1799, Winchendon, MA, William KEYES, was Mercy-7 WHITNEY, b. 20 Feb 1774, Harvard, MA, dau. of Jacob-6 and Lois (HAPGOOD) WHITNEY [Richard-5,4,3,2, John-1]. See <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/474> Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward WHITNEY Research Group <http://www.whitneygen.org/>

Robert L. Ward <rlward1@erols.com> wrote on 20 Sep 2000 Jeanne, >>I have the answer to the question at <http://www.my-ged.com/db/page/whitneys/632> Ezra WHITNEY m. Olive BULLARD, 1 Jun 1801, Holliston, MA (Vital Records, pp. 282-283). This means that her maiden name wasn't WHITNEY, but BULLARD.<< Thank you, Robert! Another MiscWhit found! This brings up another question. Looking at their ages at their marriage (he 37; she 39) plus the fact that no children are recorded for this couple in Holliston or Upton Mass., this could have been a 2nd marriage for either or both of them. Does anyone have a clue as to her parentage? ;-) Jeanne

Perhaps someone has information on another John Whitney that ironically was born 1783 as did the recent query of a John from Thorndike, Me. This John was the son of Josiah, last of Bridgton, Maine and New Brunswick. Born July 23, 1783, we find only 2 scant records from this time - The purchase and disposition of land in Bridgton in 1813, at which time he states his residence as Brewer, Maine. We have checked many towns along the Penobscot River corridor without result but thought we would shortcut travel time should someone have this John in their database. The hope is that finding John would help in shedding light on the continuing Josiah Whitney controversy as well as the obvious expansion of family information. Larry Tracy

Records in the above data base show that Asa Whitney married Patience Weston on Apr 15, 1775 ( Vol 1 pg 19). Also show John Whitney born to above parents on Apr 17, 1783

Hello Jon, As you can see, I am sending your reply to the rest of the Whitney Research Group. If anyone has an interest in contacting the owner of the Bible, I am sure they will contact you directly. Thank you for your generosity in sharing your find. Ken Whitney Ken There's not too much more to include. The publishing date in the Bible is 1834, so whoever owned it entered their information in after the fact. The Bible is leather bound. There has been some water damage and it needs to be re-bound. It appears to be Catholic by the fact that it includes the Apocrypha and Maccabees. I'm not sure if I made it clear or not, but I have NO connection to the Whitney surname. I just saw an old Bible at an Antique store and wanted to reunite it with the proper family. I've been looking for the Grant family Bible from the same era with no success. So, every time I see a Bible in a store, I look at it. I'd hate to think that it was sitting in an antique store. The antique store owner is actually a co-worker of mine Monday-Friday. So, he let me bring it home after I explained to him that I may be able to find the rightful owners. He has posted a $40 price in the Bible. I hope that this helps. Regards...jon grant

Dear Ken and others, Indeed John born 17 April, 1783 is the son of Asa and Patience Whitney of Gorham, ME..source is" Publishments, Marriages, Births and Deaths from the Earlier Records of Gorham, Maine" compiled by Marquis F. King, 2nd Edition Edited by Russell S. Bickford, Picton Press 1991,page170. Hope this helps. Jan

Dear Ed: Thank you for the update on DOROTHY OLIVE SOULE, a descendant of William OLIVE and Hannah-6 WHITNEY (Sylvanus-5, Eliasaph-4, Nathan-3, John-2, Henry-1). Phoenix in his "The Whitney Family of Connecticut" stops this line with Dorothy's grandfather, Arthur Neville Wetmore (or Westlake) Olive, in Vol. 2 p1676. Other information in the database was gathered from members of our Whitney Research Group http://www.whitneygen.org . Therefore, I have sent a copy of this message to the group so others can update their information. My notes on her father, Frank LeRoy Soule, state that he changed his name to CHASE when he was adopted by his uncle. Do you know whether Dorothy's brother, Frank Gordon Chase, also went by the name of Soule instead of Chase? Thanks again! Jeanne (Whitney) Muse ----------------------------------- Ed Hanson wrote on 16 Sep 2000: >I was wandering through the web this afternoon and came across your database on the Whitney family. Among those you have listed is DOROTHY OLIVE CHASE. This was of particular interest, as this was my aunt, married to my mother's elder brother. She used the maiden name of SOULE, rather than Chase, although I know that this was the bloodline name. Also, she was born at Lynn, Massachusetts, rather than in New Brunswick as you have listed. Following are the details on her and her husband: Dorothy Olive Soule, b. at Lynn, Mass., 5 Feb 1910; d. there, 3 June 1980 married at Lynn, 8 March 1935 Herbert Henry Strainge, b. at Revere, Mass., 5 March 1912; d. at Lynn, 10 June 1983, son of Herbert and Daisy Amelia (Bland) Strainge By coincidence I had lunch with their younger son this week and coffee with one of their grandsons. This message is being sent from my brother-in-law's e-mail account, but I can be reached directly through my own account at: Ed.Hanson@alumni.tufts.edu <

Hello Jon, I am replying to your message in the Whitney GenForum about the found Whitney Family Bible. I believe that the John Whitney b. 4/17/1783 in this Bible record descends, as I do, from Nathaniel and Sarah (Ford) Whitney of York and Gorham, Maine. I believe he is the son of Asa Whitney and Patience (Weston) Whitney of Gorham. I would be interested in any further information you could supply about this Bible and family. I am copying this message to the Whitney Research Group, where more people may be interested. Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD

Hello Larry Tracy and WRG, This message is for those with any interest in the puzzle of Josiah Whitney which Larry and I, along with others have been trying to solve, and replies to Larry's message to the WRG yesterday. Just what we needed, another parent for Silas Whitney! This whole project is complicated by the genealogy of F.C. Pierce and Hugh McLellan's Gorham history. However, they both seem to agree that Silas' parents were Josiah Whitney and Elizabeth Harding of Gorham and Alfred, ME. The problem exists in figuring out who this Josiah really was. Even Pierce lists two Josiahs (father and son, see #618 & 1587) as the husband of Elizabeth Harding. Both Pierce and McLellan appear to agree that Josiah was first married to Hannah Barstow, but that Josiah and Elizabeth were the parents of Silas. I thank those in the group who answered my inquiry about the recordkeeping concerning baptisms and births in early Maine. Your responses may help down the road. In the inquiry I speculated that Josiah, son of Dr. John Whitney of Eastham, Cape Cod could have been the adopted or foster-child of Nathaniel and Hannah (Day) Whitney. This is only one of many possibilities as we try to sort out this mess. Larry has found records in Bridgton, ME which may or may not help to find the ancestors he seeks. The Bridgton records are of the Josiah Whitney family. The question is, who is this Josiah? The are numerous possibilities. We know that he at various times lived in Maugerville, New Brunswick and in Nova Scotia. He had a child in Beverly, Mass. before settling in Bridgton. But, where did he come from originally? One of the people complicating this puzzle is Josiah, son of Dr. John Whitney. We know he was born in Eastham, but what happened to him after his mother died? Is he the adopted or foster son of Nathaniel and Hannah? Or, is he the Josiah who married Hannah Turner of Cambridge in Boston? Does this marriage make him the father of Eliab Turner Whitney in Upper Canada and Nova Scotia? Is Hannah Turner really Hannah Barstow Turner, wife of Josiah Whitney of Gorham? Or, is he Larry's Josiah who arrived in Bridgton? Or, is this some other Josiah? Many questions, and so far no answers. Someday we will ask the right question, find the answer, and maybe some of this will unravel. Larry sent me a copy of the Bridgton records. While no great revelation came from examining them, a thought did arise. There were other families in Bridgton who have a connection to Beverly, MA, especially a Gray family. Beverly seems to be a place worth investigating, especially if a connection can be made to the Cape Ann Society of Maugerville thru the Beverly connection. At a point in the future when I have some time I will transcribe the Whitney information from the Bridgton records for the WRG. One last thought. Cape Cod seems to be thematic for the Josiah Whitney of Gorham. We know there was a Josiah born in Eastham. Pierce places the marriage of Josiah to Hannah Barstow on Cape Cod. And Elizabeth Harding's family was from Eastham, with the possibility that she was born there (see McLellan). This may be very coincidental, but it sure is suggestive of a link between Josiah of Gorham and Eastham. MA. We sure could use more help. If anyone is interested, please feel free to jump in. As you can see, investigations on Cape Cod, in Beverly, MA, and in New Brunswick could yield important info. Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD