All, I'm forwarding this query to the mailing list: >From: "moble" <moble@cchat.com> >To: <rlward1@erols.com> >Subject: whitney >Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 00:38:43 -0500 > >in search of family background on Aubrey Whitney. born 1895 died >1983.....born in alabama, i think i do not know parents >names......mother ran the "whitney boarding house" in tascaloosa (i think >that is where it was) alabama. he was my grandfather......please help >thanks >Ann Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward WHITNEY Research Group <http://www.whitneygen.org/>

Hi Maureen! Your message came through to me! You are online. from Carolyn Maureen wrote: > Fellow Listers, > I have not received mail for a couple of days. I am just checking to make sure I am still on-line. > Thank you, > Maureen

Fellow Listers, I have not received mail for a couple of days. I am just checking to make sure I am still on-line. Thank you, Maureen

Dear WRG, Here is the record of the administration of the estate of Thomas WHITNEY of Westminster, father of John-1 WHITNEY of Watertown. It is extracted from: Dean Crawford Smith and Melinde Lutz Sanborn, _The Ancestry of Eva Belle Kempton 1878-1908. Part I: The Ancestry of Warren Francis Kempton 1817-1879_ (Boston, MA: The New England Historic Genealogical Society, 1996), pp. 524-525. "The administration of Thomas Whitney's estate showed an inventory total of L233 (Dean and Chapter of Westminster 4:49, Account #31). The Accompt of Francis & Robert Whitney the Sonnes & Ad[ministra]tors of the goodes & chattells of Thomas Whitney late of the p[ar]ishe of St Margarett in Westm[inste]R deceased, made as followeth. the Charge Inprimis the s[ai]d Accomptantes doe charge themselves w[i]th the somme of two hundred thirtie & three poundes of lawfull money of England, for the true value of all & singuler the goodes chattells debtes & certaine estate of the said deceased as they are comprized & valued in an Inventary hereof made & ex[hi]b[it[ed] unto this Court & there remayning, w[hi]ch said goodes & estate have come to these Accomptants handes CCxxxiij li Item they farther charge themselves w[i]th / sixe pounds tenne shillings in p[ar]te of paym[en]t of the desp[er]ate debtes mencioned under the somme totall of the said Inventary, received by them since the said deceaseds death Summa oneris CC xxxix li x s. The discharge: Debtes owinge by the said deceased at his Death & since paied [&] satisfied by these Accompt[ants] as followe. Imprimis paied & satisfied to severall Brewers for beer w[hi]ch the said deceased had of them, the somme of lxx li. Item to severall workemen as Brickelayers Carpenters Glasyers & other workemen, for materialls & other charges touchinge the repayringe of the said deceaseds dwelling howse, before his death, the somme of xl li. Item to Mrs Starchie viii li. Item to Goodwife Barnes xxx s. Item to one Bridgett xx s. Item to William Watts v li. Item to John Wandricke xx li. Summa debitor[is] hui[us] mo[d]i Cxlv li x s. other paym[en]tes necessarily disbursed by these Accomptantes by reason of their said Administratorshipps, as p[ar]ticulerly followe, w[hi]ch they crave to be allowed. Inprimis for all manner of charges aboute the said deceaseds buriall xx li. Item for the letters of Ad[minstra]c[i]on the apprizeinge of the deceaseds goods, the double ingrossinge & exhibitinge the Inventary unto this Court, w[i]th the p[ro]ctors fee & other charges there unto incident, the somme of iii li. Item for the drawinge & double ingrossinge of the Accompt, w[i]th the fees of the R[ ] Judges seale, p[ro]ctors fees & other charges thereunto appertayneinge, the somme of xl s. Summa exoneraceis Clxx li x s. Soe deductis deducend[um] et allocatis allocand[um] there remaineth in these Accamtantes handes, the somme of lxix li. x:o Martii: 1637: Mr. Eresheldi fecit fidem [ ] animam &c Will: Sammes" I found this very interesting. I hope you do, too. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward WHITNEY Research Group <http://www.whitneygen.org/>

At 03:27 PM 11/7/00 -1000, David Wallace wrote: >Aloha my name is David an I am from Watertown MA.now living in >Hawaii(20yr.)was doing some research an came across a story of John >Whitney who happen to have his estate less than 1/4 mile from my family >home I remember going in the houses on the property with friends like a >haunted house that was around 1968 soon after the place was torn down to >make Whitney Apartments.I do remember one building it was a small theater >and thought how wealthy the family must of been... > Any who:) in the story there was a > claim that a man tried to say he was heir to the Whitney family...they > talked about all the family being baptized at Westminster an if the John > of Watertown had been also baptized there.Well the name of the Avenue I > lived on was Westminster Ave.one of the older roads in the town not sure > but I'm sure that Mr. John Whitney had something to do with > that...Pre-American Ancestries John Whitney of Watertown was my link.hope > this helps who ever does the research. > > David B. Wallace Thanks for contacting me, David. This is interesting! Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward rlward1@erols.com <http://users.erols.com/rlward1/> 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Jeanne et al., At 02:11 PM 11/6/00 -0500, Jeanne Muse wrote: >WRG: I printed the Ashburnham, Mass. VRs. when they first became >available on our web site. Another member questioned my death date and >place for Abigail (Fletcher) Whitney, wife of Samuel, in Ashburnham in >1783, so I went to look. > >My original printed copy of Abigail's death in the VRs shows this record >in the DEATHS p209-211. Now I see someone has moved it to the BIRTHS >p83-85. Why? This is obviously her year of death and was obtained from >her Grave Stone in the New Cemetery. > >Abigail, w. Samuel, ----, 1783. G.S.4 > >Can someone please verify by looking at their copies of the Ashburnham >VRs as originally published by Franklin Rice? > >Thanks! >Jeanne (Whitney) Muse The reason it is a birth record from a tombstone is that the tombstone probably read something like "Abigail WHITNEY, wife of Samuel, 1783-1861" (Pierce says she d. 23 Oct 1861 in Ashburnham). The birth date is from the tombstone, the death date not recorded in the Ashburnham VRs BECAUSE IT WAS AFTER 1850. Recall that the series of vital records books do not record any events after 1850. See, it does make sense, after all, and it is not "obviously" a death date! Furthermore this matter was discussed before, in 1997. See <http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?%2Fu1%2Ftextindices%2FW% <http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?%2Fu1%2Ftextindices%2FW%2F WHITNEY+1997+376535178+F> Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward WHITNEY Research Group <http://www.whitneygen.org/>

Thank you for the clarification, George. Since I used the first transcription of the VRs, I was misled. This is obviously the birth record of Abigail (Wilder) Whitney -- not the death of Abigail (Fletcher) Whitney. We know that Samuel Whitney and Abigail Fletcher were married in Weston, according to the Weston VRs, and that they were both "of Weston". I see his death on 1 Jan 1782 in Westminster, but also cannot find a record of her death. Somewhere along the way I have noted the inventory of his estate was taken, and that in 1784 receipt of the estate was taken by the children. I think this is why I may have thought Abigail Fletcher died before the estate was settled. I suppose she may have remarried. Maybe someday this puzzle will be solved. Thanks again - and I will correct my records. Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margie and George Parker" <MandG@math.siu.edu> To: <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 6:34 PM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Ashburnham VR for Samuel/Abigail Whitney Dear Jeanne: I have a CD with images of the Ashburnham VRs. Under births we find: Abigail, w. Samuel ____ ____, 1783 G.S.4 Samuel, ____ ____, 1783 G.S.4 Under marriages we find Samuel Whitney m Abigail Wilder Aug 12, 1802 (my wedding anniversary!) Under births we find Abigail Wilder dau Caleb and Elisabeth bap Mar 16 1783 C.R. Under the deaths there are references only to children of Samuel and Abigail, not Samuel and Abigail themselves. Under births we find the following children of Samuel and Abigail: Samuel Oct 28 1802 (d Sep 3 1805) (This birth conflicts with marriage date, unless ...) Merrick Dec 31 1804 Jane Vincent Woodard Aug 1 1807 (d Sep 10 1810) Samuel Feb 25 1810 (d Dec 7 1810) Austin Dec 21 1811 (d Sep 7 1814) Charles Wilder Jan 10 1814 Austin 2nd Apr 19 1816 Jane July 7 1818 (d Nov 13 1847) Samuel Vincent May 25 1820 Quincy Oct 7 1822 Horatio Nelson Oct 3 1824 I looked in adjoining towns to see if there were death records there for Samuel/Abigail but did not find any. Are you sure this is the right Samuel and Abigail for you? If you expect a death in 1783 this family is two or three generations younger. Also, as noted, this Abigail is a Wilder, not a Fletcher. There does not seem to be an older Samuel/Abigail Whitney family in the Ashburnham VRs. George Parker (6 or 7 lines to John/Elinor)

Dear Jeanne: I have a CD with images of the Ashburnham VRs. Under births we find: Abigail, w. Samuel ____ ____, 1783 G.S.4 Samuel, ____ ____, 1783 G.S.4 Under marriages we find Samuel Whitney m Abigail Wilder Aug 12, 1802 (my wedding anniversary!) Under births we find Abigail Wilder dau Caleb and Elisabeth bap Mar 16 1783 C.R. Under the deaths there are references only to children of Samuel and Abigail, not Samuel and Abigail themselves. Under births we find the following children of Samuel and Abigail: Samuel Oct 28 1802 (d Sep 3 1805) (This birth conflicts with marriage date, unless ...) Merrick Dec 31 1804 Jane Vincent Woodard Aug 1 1807 (d Sep 10 1810) Samuel Feb 25 1810 (d Dec 7 1810) Austin Dec 21 1811 (d Sep 7 1814) Charles Wilder Jan 10 1814 Austin 2nd Apr 19 1816 Jane July 7 1818 (d Nov 13 1847) Samuel Vincent May 25 1820 Quincy Oct 7 1822 Horatio Nelson Oct 3 1824 I looked in adjoining towns to see if there were death records there for Samuel/Abigail but did not find any. Are you sure this is the right Samuel and Abigail for you? If you expect a death in 1783 this family is two or three generations younger. Also, as noted, this Abigail is a Wilder, not a Fletcher. There does not seem to be an older Samuel/Abigail Whitney family in the Ashburnham VRs. George Parker (6 or 7 lines to John/Elinor)

WRG: I printed the Ashburnham, Mass. VRs. when they first became available on our web site. Another member questioned my death date and place for Abigail (Fletcher) Whitney, wife of Samuel, in Ashburnham in 1783, so I went to look. My original printed copy of Abigail's death in the VRs shows this record in the DEATHS p209-211. Now I see someone has moved it to the BIRTHS p83-85. Why? This is obviously her year of death and was obtained from her Grave Stone in the New Cemetery. Abigail, w. Samuel, ----, 1783. G.S.4 Can someone please verify by looking at their copies of the Ashburnham VRs as originally published by Franklin Rice? Thanks! Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

WRG: An extract of Robert Reynolds' will is contained in the NEHG Register, Vol 9 and has been transcribed on our web site. See: http://www.whitneygen.org/archives/extracts/nehgr009.html Also see - Savage - Vol. 3 p526 Jeanne (Whitney) Muse jwmuse@compuserve.com ------------------------------------------ Researching GOLDSMITH, REED, WHITNEY http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/roots.htm ----------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <ALLAGREEN@aol.com> To: <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 2:03 AM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Ruth Reynolds, wife of John-2 Dear Sandy: There had not been an update, but I can give you one now. I finally had enough sense to describe the pages I had on the Reynolds-L maillist, and one of their sharpies got back to me the next day with the source from whence my copied pages had come. REYNOLDS. History & some of the descendants of Robert & Mary Reynolds (1630? -1931) of Boston, Mass., comp. by M.H. Reynolds. 236p. 1931. $37.50 " The price is the current price for a reprint from Higginson Books, or was at the time my informant got his last catalogue. Allan

Dear Rebecca, I found an Alpheus Whitney in the Maine 1850 Census in the town of Prospect in Waldo County. There is a book "Vital Records of Prospect Maine to the year 1892", transcribed by Elizabeth M. Mosher, published by Picton Press of Rockport Maine and can be found and ordered at the website <http://www.pictonpress.com>. Or perhaps you might find a copy in a library near you. I hope this helps your search! Jan Whitaker

Dear Sandy: There had not been an update, but I can give you one now. I finally had enough sense to describe the pages I had on the Reynolds-L maillist, and one of their sharpies got back to me the next day with the source from whence my copied pages had come. REYNOLDS. History & some of the descendants of Robert & Mary Reynolds (1630? -1931) of Boston, Mass., comp. by M.H. Reynolds. 236p. 1931. $37.50 " The price is the current price for a reprint from Higginson Books, or was at the time my informant got his last catalogue. Allan

Dear Sandy: The Warwickshire comes from Ancestral File, I think, and, to the best of our knowledge, has no basis in any known source that could remotely be called reliable. The tip-off is that she is cited as having been born at St. Margaret's Warwickshire. Since St. Margaret's Westminster is where John and his siblings were born to Thomas and Mary (Bray) Whitney, and since my Phillmore Atlas and Index of Parish Registers shows absolutely no St. Margaret's parish anywhere in the entirety of Warwickshire, I would suspect that some not-too-careful person miscopied the Westminster of her husband as Warwickshire. I would also guess that the 1599 birthdate was derived from the fact that Elinor's first child (Mary) was born in 1619. The following is the note I have on her short life. >In Boyd Inhabitants of London, with father (50459), but not in the >transcription of the Isleworth Parish Register, which is given as >indecipherable between April and September 5 of 1619. (Other of John's children WERE in the Isleworth Parish Register) This same Mary died and was buried from St. Mary Aldermary in London on 15 Feb 1626/7, where there are other records of John and Elinor's family. At this point in time, according, I believe, to Melville's book, the family was living in Bow Lane, which is quite close to that parish church. You are correct that we don't have the date and place of marriage or surname for Elinor, but it is not from a lack of trying. I, myself, spent four days working on this through every resource to be found in the Library of the British Society of Genealogists in London. It is not in (or I did not find it in) any of the marriage resources for London and environs, and I didn't find it in any other sources like the dozens and dozens of parish registers that I checked. This probably has been more than you wanted to hear on this matter, but I have been so frustrated by this persistent error that will never die, once it is entered into Ancestral File. Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green

I need help finding my Whitney Family. This is what I have: Edward Livingston Whitney, son of Alpheus Whitney, born September 15, 1851. Moved with his family from Maine to Minnesota in the 1850's. Married Sarah Lougee in Sherburne County on June 20, 1875. I am trying to find out where Alpheus comes from. Rebecca Whitney-Smith, Oregon

Anyone have any additional info on: James Whitney, B: New Hampshire 1811, D:1Jan1856 Wife: Lura Johnson, B:Essex Co.Jay,NY1815 Children: Mary, B:Essex Co.,NY 1841 Franklin B: Essex Co.,NY 1843 Wife:Ann M. B:abt 1846 Child: Sarah B:abt1869 Warren Benjamin B:Washington Co.,NY1848, D:Edinburgh,NY1896 Wife:Mary O. Davenport B:Saratoga1845, D:Edinburgh1902 Children: Helen Elizabeth, B:1880, D:1905 James Levi, B;17Nov1881, D:Jan1967 James Levi Whitney was my Grandfather. Thank you.

Last week we listed the immediate family of Peter Whitney, son of Ebenezer and offered not to post anymore if there was a sufficient payout, however as we have not received any money here is your punishment. Sarah* Whitney, the oldest daughter & second child of Peter Whitney and Margaret Haynes was born the 6th of March 1797 at Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario and died the 13th of November 1841 and is buried in St. John's Anglican Church Cemetery in York Mills (Toronto). In about 1817 she married Pierre Ignace (Angus) Valliere who was descended from an old French-Canadian family. Their children: ELIZABETH VALLIERE b. ca 1817 married Francis Veitch in 1837. Their issue Thomas Hamilton Veitch b. 1839 Peter Angus " b. ca 1842 John " b. ca 1844 Charles Edward " b. ca 1847 Sarah " b. ca 1849 William " b. ca 1852 Richard " b. ca 1856 This information is from parish & census records *WILLIAM HENRY VALLIERE b. ca 1823- d. 1900 married Martha Dunton ca 1845. We will go into this couple's history later. SARAH VALLIERE - 1824-1925 married John Spanhouse - children John Spanhouse ca 1852 Margaret " ca 1854 Mary " ca 1856 George " ca 1859 ANGUS VALLIERE - no information Charlotte VALLIERE - 1833-1901 married John Pennock- their family: Joanne Pennock ca 1853 married Thomas C. Mitchell - children John, Charlotte and Myrtle Mitchell Adaline Pennock - ca 1854 - married Mr. Painter - children Charlotte and Bartley Painter Ruben Pennock - b. ca 1855 no further information Adelaide Pennock b. ca 1857 - no further information Angus Pennock b. ca 1859 married Margaret Quigley - their family Norman, Vera, Barnard, Hazel, Theodore and Angus Pennock Truman Pennock 1863-1918 - no further information Joseph I. Pennock b. ca. 1865 married Elizabeth ? - their family Lorne, Gwen and Roy Pennock. John Pennock b. ca 1868 - no further information Willis N. Pennock 1869-1914 married May Hillaby - their family: Orville, Gladys, Ben, Ivan Oscar - b. ca 1893 and Reta Charlotte Pennock born ca. 1895 Harris Newton Pennock, 1873 - 1953 no further information Bernard A. Pennock 1878-1949 married Esther Maude Oswin MARGARET VALLIERE - no further information *WILLIAM HENRY VALLIERE (Marilyn's direct ancestor) was born ca 1823 and married Martha Dunton from Norfolk England ca 1845. Their children JANE Valliere -b. ca. 1846 married (a) Mr. Winsor (b) Mr. Bohan William Valliere b.1847 d.1930 - married Martha Irvine ca 1868- they had at least one son - William b. ca 1869 SARAH Valliere - b. ca 1850 - married John E. Holman ca 1871 MARGARET Valliere - b.1854 - d 1945 married John Kendrick JAMES ISRAEL Valliere - b. 3 Feb 1857 - d June 30 1946 This is a direct ancestor who will be heard from later. ELIZABETH EMILY Valliere ca 1859-1925 married Jacob Long GEORGE ALBERT Valliere - ca 1861 - 1936 married Emiline Level CHARLES ANGUS Vallier , ca 1863 - 1953 married Matilda Baird their family: Rose Marie b. 1891 - d. 1891 Mary Bird b. 1897 - d. 1897 Richard James b. 1897 - d. 1897 John Edward b. 1898 - d. 1898 Bernice- nothing is known of this child MARY LUCINDA ROSELYN Valliere b. ca 1869 married (a) Alfred Humbleton (b) Mr. Weldon ADALINE W. Valliere b. ca 1870 - no further information This information comes from parish and census records and family histories - for the Pennock information we are indebted to Rae Pennock of Conneticut. You will all have to wait until next week for the next thrilling instalment of this family history Marilyn and Don Holmes

I found a message I had saved from Allan Green (97-03-09) about him trying to find the source of his info about Ruth Reynolds and her family. All he had at that time was "the title of the book (or at least the chapter from which I copied the material) is 'Robert and Mary Reynolds of Watertown, Wethersfield and Boston.' " Is there an update that I missed? Thanks Sandy

In my notes, I have Elinor being born circa 1599, Warwickshire, England. I wrote this before I knew the importance of citing sources of information and am now in the process of adding sources to the computer. Is the info accurate and where is a source to that effect? Since we don't know her maiden name, how can we be sure she is from Warwickshire? Thanks Sandy

Dear WRG and Jeanne, In light of conversations about a week ago about how to best save and preserve years of genealogical research, I've copied below a piece from an article in the Ancestry.com daily newsletter concerning a new book which directly addresses this issue: "Family historians often play the role of family conservators, responsible for the care and preservation of all types of family treasures. If you are intimidated or confused by the challenges of caring for some of these items, there is an excellent new book available to help you. "Caring for Your Family Treasures: Heritage Preservation" is written by Jane S. Long and Richard W. Long and edited by Inge-Lise Eckmann. The authors are experts in the field of preservation and conservation and provide authoritative discussions on all types of materials you might be responsible for preserving. These include documents and books, photographs of all types, clothing and decorative textiles, furniture, jewelry and silverware, musical instruments, art work, clocks and watches, ceramics and glass, military mementos, dolls, teddy bears, and other more unusual family artifacts. Each chapter clearly explains the physical factors that may damage or destroy your precious family possessions and provides detailed techniques for maintenance and preservation. Scores of representative photographs and easy-to-understand checklists are provided for each type of item. The book also provides reference resources for finding professional help and locating materials for cleaning and storage, along with tips on security and insurance. I have not seen a better book on the subject for the family preservationist. The book retails for $24.95 and is published by Harry N. Abrams, Inc., 100 Fifth Ave., New York, NY 10011. Its ISBN is 0-8109-2909-0. " Hope this is helpful. Lyn Whitney Anderson

Fellow listers, Today on ancestry.com there are Probate records for Worcester, Mass. There are 539 records for the Whitney surname. I was looking for my fathers family in the Worcester area and there were quite a few but when I entered Whitney, well you know. Maureen