Dear WRG: My daughter is a Graduate student at North Carolina State University, Raleigh, NC, and will receive her Masters degree in Microbiology and Genetics this May. While much of our conversations on the topic of DNA are way above my head, I have gleaned a few tidbits that may be of interest toward this discussion. Various articles in scientific magazines that I have read (usually while sitting in the doctor's office waiting room), have also given me a little more understanding. DNA samples are gathered from microscopic cells - a tiny piece of hair, for instance, would do fine. Samples must be obtained very carefully by a fully qualified person so they don't become contaminated. Establishing connection to earlier generations would also require "samples". It is doubtful, therefore, that one could establish absolute verification of descendancy to a person who died in the 17th century, for whom no sample can be obtained. Even if a rare sample exists, centuries of exposure would probably make it useless. (Unless the person was mummified ... and then we're talking about an entirely different set of rules.) Our WRG membership includes some learned physicians and scientists who, I am sure, will be more knowledgeable than I. The scientific study of DNA is in its infancy, so to speak, although tremendous strides have been made in our lifetime. It may be possible for us to save a portion of our own DNA for future generational study, however. Jeanne

I would also participate in this study. I am O neg. blood type. This is not enough information. They have a mouth swab test that is done now.Not invasive at all. I hear it is very accurate. I do not have much information on this but hear it is excellent. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "John E Fischer" <fischerj@one.net> To: <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] DNA Evidence of Descent??? > WRG > > Has anyone in the Group considered the possibility of doing DNA comparisons to find out if we can 'prove' descent from say John & Elinor? (I > happen to be from the John/Elinor group but the same thing could be done in each of the other groups.) With the good sized population we have > who are all descendants of one pair perhaps we could be of value to someone's study of DNA and descent. Sounds to me like it could be a win > win study. What do you think? I for one would gladly donate a sample of blood to compare with the group to see if relationship could be > established. > > John > > >

If anyone has the following census, can you please do a look up for me: 1830 Broome Co., NY 1830 Chautauqua, NY 1820 Broome Co., NY 1820 Chautaqua, NY 1810 Broome Co., NY I am interested in the John Whitney on these Census reports. Does it have a place of birth, birth date or age, or any family information? I have been looking for John Whitney for a few years and maybe one of these is him. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Janet Whitney Duffield

WRG Has anyone in the Group considered the possibility of doing DNA comparisons to find out if we can 'prove' descent from say John & Elinor? (I happen to be from the John/Elinor group but the same thing could be done in each of the other groups.) With the good sized population we have who are all descendants of one pair perhaps we could be of value to someone's study of DNA and descent. Sounds to me like it could be a win win study. What do you think? I for one would gladly donate a sample of blood to compare with the group to see if relationship could be established. John

This might be helpful for some ... http://newspaperlinks.com/searchResult.asp?param=MA-Massachusetts&City=1

Dear WRG: I pass the enclosed on from another of the lists to which I subscribe. Allan E. Green BUYER BEWARE A website called Family Discovery is charging $43.00 to 59.00 for "unlimited access to their website. The only problem is that their website is a conglomoration of links to OTHER PEOPLE'S free websites. Links include peoples personal web pages, GenWEb pages[ like cemeteries, census], and other free genealogy pages. They don't really have any data of their own although they claim to. All of what they have you can find FREE. Please DO NOT discuss this any further on this list. Please DO NOT email me about them. I just wanted you to know about them.

Thanks for the information. Now a question of decipherment. For instance, in the line > Whitny, Henry S. IN Spencer Jackson Township 1850 172 15 what are the numbers "172 15"? And in the line > 195 196 Henry S Whitney 34 M Carpenter 400 NY what are the numbers "195 196" and "400"? Thanks again. twk

Dear WRG, Below is something that I've been meaning to complete for some time - an extract of all of the Whitney references from: Hill, George T., "History, Records, and Recollections of Gray, Maine" (Portland, Maine: Seavey Printers, Inc., 1978) Hope it proves to be useful for someone and that there aren't too many typos! Linda Bastarache ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- p. 62 Selectman of the Town of Gray (Hezekiah Whitney is listed at 1881, 1882, 1883, 1887, 1888) (Mrs. Leonora Whitney Sweetser is listed at 1925, 1926-1928) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------- p. 63 Men From Gray Who Were Representatives to the State Legislature Dr. Peter Whitney, 1821. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 66 Doctor's Bridge - A bridge on the Underwitted Road built by Doctor Peter Whitney, whose house was on this road and who received a credit on his taxes for the work. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 69 (has a picture of "The James Whitney Residence, Whitney Road, now the home of Willard Caswell.") Whitney Road - Named for James Whitney, who lived in the house now owned and occupied by Willard Caswell. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 87 Heads of Families Listed by the Committees Named in 1802 to Set up Six School Districts Center District Whitney, Peter ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 97 Supervisors of Schools and School Committees 1860 - Hezekiah Whitney ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SERVICES Physicians ---------- p. 106 Peter Whitney, 1790's (Lived on the Underwitted Road. Built Doctor's Bridge. Moved to Gray Corner in 1803. Built the Charles Pennell place.) Stores and Shops ------------------ p. 128 "After Mr. Cobb dies, in 1895, the space that had been his confectionary store served for a number of years as Wilbert I. Whitney's barber shop." Barbers -------- p. 138 Wilbert I. Whitney, 1905-1948 Water Systems --------------- p. 139 "A good example [of a private water system] is the system that supplied water to the Hezekiah Whitney residence from a spring in Lunt's pasture. The water flowed through one-inch lead pipe to a tank in the Whitney barn. Overflow from the barn tank was piped under Brown Street to a tank in Hancock's barn, and the overflow from the Hancock barn tank fed a watering trough by the roadside outside the barn. For this last service, Mrs.Whitney was paid by the town at the rate of $2.25 a year. When the Whitney house was built over, a spring in Doughty's pasture, at a higher level, was bought..." Mail ----- p. 152 Postmasters at East Gray Postmaster Mrs. Eva Whitney Date of Appointment 1930 Location of the Post Office Gray Milling Company ----------------------------------------------------------------------- INDUSTRY p. 157 "Entries in Hezekiah Whitney's diary for January 1855 read, day after day, 'hauled naval timbers with 6 oxen.'" Name Active Years Notes ---------------- ------------- -------------------- p. 195 Masons A.S. Whitney around 1890 p. 196 Blacksmiths South Gray (in a shop near Cobb's Tavern) Orin Whitney 1880's? For a short period ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 236 List of Owners of Pews in the First Parish Church of Gray, Maine, in the Early 1800's Pews on the Main Floor 16. Peter Whitney ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 262 (Sewell Whitney, Orin F. Whitney and Emiline Whitney are listed among those who signed a petition "to call a meeting to organize a Universalist Society or Parish in the town of Gray.") ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 264 "Mrs. Fred Whitney and Mrs. Clifton Clark were special chairman for Gray and New Gloucester for [the building of an open air chapel]." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- GRAY GRANGE No. 41 p. 281 "On October 3, 1874, by invitation of L. B. Dennett of Portland, the following persons met in the selectman's office at Gray for the purpose of organizing a Subordinate Grange of the Patrons of Husbandry:" (Hezekiah Whitney and Mrs. Mary E. Whitney are listed) "After a few remarks by Mr. Dennett, the entire group enrolled as charter members and, through Mr. Dennett, made application to the National Grange for dispensation. The following first officers were then elected:" (among others) Overseer, Hezekiah Whitney Flora, Mrs. Mary E. Whitney p. 282 (Has a picture of "The Hezekiah Whitney Residence, East Gray.") "...Considerable interest developed in a Grange choir; and, in 1878, Brother James Whitney was chosen chorister. Under his guidance, music books were bought and many evenings were devoted to singing." p. 283 "On the 23rd and 24th of October 1925, the Grange held a fair and exercises in celebration of its fiftieth anniversary. . . . Mrs. Leonora (Whitney) Sweetser presented a history of the early days of the Gray Grange. It is from this history that the material for the foregoing summary was obtained." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 284 (Has a picture of "Knights of Pythias Drill Team", including Wilbert Whitney, courtesy of Lawrence Whitney) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 294 MUSIC ". . . Individuals were known as having natural pitch or a good voice, and the latter sang in the choirs, concerts, and entertainments. Among them were Pamelia Cummings, a great-aunt of Cyrus H. Curtis, who sang in the old Parish Church around 1810, and, many years later, James Whitney, George Cobb, and Emma (Merrill) Cushing." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 319 "Mill stones from [Gideon Ramsdell's grist mill] may be seen in the yard of Mrs. Harland Whitney." ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 321-322 Willard Buxton and Leonora (Whitney) Sweetser Willard, the son of Charles S. and Hulda E. (Rowe) Sweetser, was born in North Yarmouth, Maine, on November 11, 1869. After graduating from Greely Institute in Cumberland, he attended Shaw's Business College in Portland, earning the money for his tuition by selling cigars and other items while commuting on the train. In 1890 he went to Boston where he worked for the John Hancock Life Insurance Company for five years. On March 27, 1895, he married Leonora Whitney of Gray, whom he had met while she was teaching at North Yarmouth. And, because of the poor health of his bride's parents, he gave up his work in Boston and the couple settled in Gray Corner, where they lived in the David Cummings house. Will, as he was called, ran a general store for twenty-four years, first in the brick building next to the old Town Hall and then, in partnership with Hewett Cole, in what had been the Hancock store. In 1921 he sold out his interest in the store and bought the Benjamin Shaw & Company real estate firm in Portland, but continued to live in Gray. He was town treasurer for many years, often served as moderator at town meetings, was a trustee of Pennell Institute, and was active in the Masons and the Grange. In 1937 Willard Sweetser was appointed as one of the original members of the Main Real Estate Commission and was its first chairman. He died in 1945. Leonora or Nora, as she preferred to be called, was born on August 3, 1866, the daughter of Hezekiah and Mary Ellen (Merrill) Whitney of Gray. Before her marriage and until 1899, she was a teacher. She attended Gorham Normal School, taught at Webbs Mills, North Yarmouth, and, for eleven years, in her home town at the Benson District, East Gray, North Gray, Gray Corner, and Dry Mills. Mrs. Sweetser stopped teaching to devote herself to her family. There were five children, all of whom survived and all of whom have descendants. She worked quietly for women's suffrage, served on the school committee from 1921 to 1923, and, in 1925, became the first woman to be elected as a selectman of Gray, an office that she held until 1928. She was active in the Grange and in the Festival Chorus, which often met in her home. She died in 1939. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 325-326 Hezekiah and Mary Ellen Whitney Hezekiah was born in Cumberland, Maine, on October 12, 1822. He was a son of Alexander Whitney of Gorham and Barbara (Winslow) Whitney of Falmouth, who was a descendant of Kenelm Winslow, a brother of Governor Edward Winslow, of Massachusetts. In May, 1853, Hezekiah married Mary Ellen Merrill, born on August 26, 1832, the daughter of Daniel and Dorcas (Merrill) Merrill of Falmouth. Around 1855, the couple bought and settled on the Nathan Merrill place in East Gray. When Mr. Whitney's health began to fail, about 1890, they bought and moved to the David Cummings house at Gray Corner, where they lived for the remainder of their lives. Both Hezekiah and Mary Ellen were teachers in their youth. In Gray, he farmed and did some lumbering. He was active in school and civic affairs and served as selectman a number of times. Both Mr. and Mrs. Whitney were active socially, and they helped organize and were charter members of the Gray Grange, of which he served many times as Master and she served many times as Ceres. Hezekiah died in 1895 and Mary Ellen died in 1908. Sumner Whitney Sumner was born on April 9, 1857, the son of Hezekiah and Mary Ellen (Merrill) Whitney of Gray. He received his education in the Gray schools, graduating in the Gray High School class of 1875. In his youth he had become interested in the West, and he went to Colorado, where he was a miner. In August, 1898, at the request of a personal friend, a detective named Conrad, he volunteered to help the officer and was deputized to assist in the search for a holdup gang that had murdered several people in nearby towns. When Sumner and the detective entered a cabin to make inquiries, its three occupants immediately started shooting. The following is quoted from a Leadville, Colorado, newspaper: "Conrad fell at the first fire, being killed instantly. . . Whitney also fell, his left thigh being shattered and the left leg broken below the knee, and part of his ear shot away, but he continued firing. One of the robbers, Dick Bryan, fell mortally wounded. . . Whitney, though fatally wounded, continued firing mortally wounding Dick Manley, who received several bullets." Sumner was taken to the Leadville hospital where he died on September 7, 1898, as a result of his wounds. An item on the front page of a Kokomo, Colorado, newspaper dated September 9, 1898, reads: "No death in camp has caused such universal regret, no one has been mourned as Sumner Whitney. He was a prominent Mason and president of the school board, a member of the Miners Union, a member of the city council . . . In all he was a friend to poor and rich alike, and while it is not generally known, was a large contributor to all charities . . . he was greatly esteemed, not only on account of his true manliness, but for his social qualities as well." Sumner Whitney's remains were returned to Gray, and he is buried in Gray Cemetery. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- p. 335 "Shortly after incorporation [of the Gray Cemetery Association in 1911] a meeting was held and the Association elected its first officers." (Orin F. Whitney is listed on the Board of Trustees) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- MEMBERS OF THE GRAY HIGH SCHOOL CLASSES OF 1873, 1874, AND 1875 as Listed in the Program of Their First Reunion, in 1915 MALES p. 383 Whitney, Orin F., Gray, Me. Whitney, Sumner FEMALES p. 383 Libby, Ida F., Mrs. Orin F. Whitney, Gray, Me. p. 384 Whitney, Celia E., Mrs. George R. Doughty, Gray, Me. Whitney, Emma F., Mrs. J. Olmyn Mountfort, 45 Brown St., South Portland, Me. Whitney, Lizzie F., Mrs. Walter C. Dunn ----------------------------------------------------------------------- BURIAL RECORDS Name of Deceased Year of Burial Age Birthplace Parents p. 385 Blake, Abbie E. 1899 50 Gray Benjamin Whitney Percis Dolloff p. 386 Dunn, Elizabeth 1909 49 Gray Alfred Whitney Maria Libby p. 389 Whitney, Peter S. 1909 73 Raymond Thomas Whitney (of Casco) Thankfull Blessing (Earl Whitney says that his grandfather Benjamin Whitney was a brother of Peter) -----------------------------------------------------------------------

George, You may be correct. I have a book with reprints of our town meetings in Dudley, MA from 1732 to 1795 and the local minister was voted in by town meeting vote and the voted terms of the engagement, such as pay, allowance of wood, etc. Jim Whitney

Dear Whitney Sleuths: I am wondering if anyone might have any information on the ancestry of the following Edward WHITNEY. The few facts below are from the 1850 census of Palmyra, Somerset County, Maine. By 1870, this Edward Whitney had moved to the neighboring town of Hartland, where he is also found in 1880, at which time he is said to be 75 years old and his wife, Anna, is 70. In 1850, the family looked like this: Edward WHITNEY, age 40, born in Maine (as are all others here) (His occupation is given as "Mill man.") Anna, 34, Emeline, 14, Thomas O., 12 Lucinda, 8 Eben, 6 Sumner, 4 Loantha, 1 This listing may be found on page 6-A of the Palmyra census, lines 27ff. The family was polled on 9 August 1850. Any earlier connections for Edward or his wife, Anna, would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Larry Glatz Harrison, Maine

Theola Walden Baker Technically you are correct but your curt statement is not helpful and would have been better kept to yourself. The WRG folk are capable of forming their own view of Maureen's message, and I'm sure she will receive some sympathetic private replies. John Whitney England

I'm much in favor of a Whitney reunion in the Boston area. There is so much available in the way of research and sightseeing is a real treat. For those of us who are Mayflower descendants the Plymouth village restoration is a must. Late September is a great time to be in Massachusetts - and I'm not saying that just because we are 1600 miles closer at that time! The weather is usually good then and the leaves almost at their best. Count on two more enthusiasts. Elizabeth W. Koenig

Dear WRG: In the more than six years since I helped start the group that eventually grew into this maillist we've never had a list problem. Everyone has treated each other with kindness and generosity, even through the occasional posting of a non-genealogical matter. New list members and researchers new to the family history process have been helped and guided in developing good research technique by some of our more experienced members in the group, and I believe that that process has always been done with care not to offend or hurt anyone's feelings. In the finest sense, we have become an extended family, and have tried to practice charity to one another. One of us, feeling that sense of family, has brought a concern to all of us. I can readily understand the need to talk to others in whom you have trust about problems that seem overwhelming. I have been involved before with individuals from this list who sought advice or encouragement about problems they were facing. Those interactions were conducted directly and privately. I would ask those who feel the inclination to assist our "cousin" with encouragement, prayers and even advice to do so privately and directly, where it can be most meaningful. Thank all of you for your cooperation. Allan E. Green

Thank you for the advice. The worst part for me is knowing my family had a part in this. I want to leave the area but worry so much about Jennifer. Could you leave one behind in such a state? Yes it takes her to want to leave but she does not have the information that would help her to make the right decision. My youngest daughter gets good grades in school, is on swim team and is a cheerleader. She is in 8th grade and is 13. Being a teenager is rough in just a normal mother- father home. I am at a loss as to what to do that would be best for all. ( I just got this information about nine days ago) I am looking into some sort of a support system that can advise me, if I can locate one. I guess I should not have posted to the list but this aspect is all new to me and I am hurting really bad right now. I have no family. Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Leska" <marion2110@lvcm.com> To: <abc@empire.net> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Need to talk about it! > Dear Maureen, > My heart goes out to you as well as my prayers. Perhaps it is time you chose > another path to God--the devil takes all forms to manifest himself! It seems > at present all you can do is pray that Jennifer Lynn will one day wake up to > the fact that she is being exploited in what is so obviously a cult. I > think, were it me in that situation, I would remove myself and my remaining > children as far away geographically and emotionally as I could possibly > do--it does no one any good to remain where contamination of such a hellish > nature pervades. I can only wish you God's guidance to find the right path > out of this morass. > Prayerfully > Marion Whitney Leska > >

I have a Gratia WHITNEY: Gratia WHITNEY b: 27 Jun 1803 in Brattleboro, Windham Co., VT d: 2 Sep 1856 in Galesburg, Kalamazoo, MI married 1820 in Edinburg, Saratoga Co., NY to Joseph CORY b: 20 May 1801 in Westport Point, Bristol Co., MA d: 6 Jun 1892 in Galesburg, Kalamazoo, MI Her parents were: Zenas WHITNEY b: abt. 1780 and Lydia KNIGHT b: abt. 1780 Thanks, Kelley http://lilyeag.home.mindspring.com

On Sat, 27 Jan 2001, Jon A Normandin wrote: > Hey TK, > > I think you will find that Blackstone is in Massachusetts right on the > Rhode Island line. Picky, picky :-) > I > delivered the "Woonsocket Call" to the Kavanagh's when I was a kid, Probably no relation. My grandparents moved to Providence before WWI, and none of George A.'s siblings had kids. But as this is a Whitney forum, so, 'nuff said about that. tk

Dear Theola and WRG: Maureen is a Whitney researcher and a member of our "online family", but you are right -- we should move this discussion to private e-mail. Jeanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theola Walden Baker" <bakermail@alltel.net> To: <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2001 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Need to talk about it! A genealogy list is not the place for these kind of discussions. Theola Walden Baker

My WHITNEY line is: Amasa b. 1801 NY, m Isabella Courtright b. 1819 NY. Children: Elvira 1839 NY, Laury b. 1840 NY, Olive 1842, Eli E 1844, Orson 1846, Mariah 1847, Loren L 1849, Charles 1852, Mary Emma 1854, Frederick 1852. The last 8 children all born in Potter Co. Pa. I suspect Amasa's father to be an Epriam Whitney b. 1780 in Vt. Ephriam is found in 1810 and 1820 census in Chenango with a male child that could be Amasa. He is next found in Potter Co. Pa in 1830 with a male between 20 & 30. In 1840 Amasa is in Potter Co. with wife and 2 daughters. Epriam is also found there living alone at time of census. 1850 finds him back in Chenango Co. where he died in 1859. It appears that Amasa left Potter Co. after 1830, went to Cortland Co. NY where he married and had 2 children b. 1939 & 1840 then returned to Potter Co. in 1840 where he died between 1860 and 1870. Other Whitneys in Chenango in 1850 census are Charles, Easton, Mary, Caroline, Catherine, Roswell and Porter E. In IGI records there is an Ephriam Whitney b. 1780 of Sherborne NY, relative Joseph M. Benedict. Somewhere I read of a Whitney connection to Benedicts. I wish I could remember where! Thank you for your time in reading all of this. Can anyone help me know if I am "barking up the wrong tree" re: Ephraim. Any suggestions are most welcome. Donnalee Heald, San Diego

A genealogy list is not the place for these kind of discussions. Theola Walden Baker

Hey TK, I think you will find that Blackstone is in Massachusetts right on the Rhode Island line. There is a section of Blackstone refered to as Waterford. Part of Waterford is in North Smithfield, Rhode Island. I delivered the "Woonsocket Call" to the Kavanagh's when I was a kid, however, for the life of me I don't remember which house they lived in, however, I think it was in blackstone, Ma., not North Smithfield, R.I. For some reason, the name Kevin Kavanagh is going off in the back of my mind. A Blackstone native in Burlington, Vermont. Jon Normandin On Fri, 26 Jan 2001 21:35:30 -0500 (EST) thomas w kavanagh <tkavanag@indiana.edu> writes: > Ahoy, Ahoy: Whits: > > My name is Thomas WHITNEY Kavanagh. > > Some years ago, when I was a graduate student at the University of > New > Mexico, I happened to be in to the office of my advisor, Karl > Schwerin, > and I noticed on his filing cabinet, a book entitled _The Whitneys_. > So I > says to him, "What are you doing with a book about my family?". And > he > says to me, "Your family?!" And we compare notes, and find that any > connection is so far back that there is no conflict of interest. > > But now, 14 years later, he points me to the WHITNEY-L address. So > what's > a guy to do. > > This is what we know about our Whitneys: > > Henry L.[S?] (b1816?) {where?} m. Mahala [Malinda?] McCoy (b 1817?) > 12/17/41 at Rockport, IN > William B. 12/5/42 -6/1/65 (42nd Ind, died of disease). > Bradford 2/13/45 - 12/3/63 (unspec Ind Reg.; dies of > disease) > Thomas James (b?) m. Mary Jane Strauss (b 1853) Gentryville, > IN Feb > 9, 1873 [1874?] > -Ernest Jan. 28 1874-Feb 16, 1874 > -Travis H. June 22, 1875-Jan 8, 1934 > {both Whitney parents, and Travis and Mary Jane move to Girard, > Kansas, 1876} > Travis m. Rosalie Lowe {1st woman judge on family court > in NYC} > -Travis H (Jan. 29 1905) > -John Law (Nov. 15, 1906) > -William Thomas Sept 14, 1908 > > -Charles A. [Born in Girard, K] Aug. 24 1879 > -married Geneva Bamford Aug. 29, 1911 > -Mary Catherine b Sept 15,1914 > -m George M. Kavanagh (b 1920) 1944 > -George 1947 > -THOMAS WHITNEY (1949) {me} > -Charles Bamford Nov 6, 1915 > [my cousins] > > etc. etc > > > That is, if you go back up the line, since William B., and Bradford > both > died in the War., for us there is the two line, from Henry to > Travis, and > via Charles A., to me. > > But up beyond Henry S/L ca. 1816-187x? {Girard, KS.} we have > nothing. > > > Mary Jane Straus Whitney wrote a memoir of her life thru about 1905. > I > have transcribed it and put it on my web page, > > http://php.indiana.edu/~tkavanag/maryjane.html > > If you read it, be aware, my mother called her a "collector of > greivances." > > I also have a set of memoirs from my maternal grandparental side: > Charles > Whitney married Geneva Bamforth, whose father, Methodist minister > Morris > Bamforth wrote a manuscript, which I have, "The Bamforths and > Luddintons > and others." > > I also have some remiscensces about werkin in th' mills, don't cha > know, > from my paternal grandmother, Catherine Downs Kavanagh from > Blackstone, > R.I. > > tk > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.