----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Sullivan" <KSullivan@hvc.rr.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 7:45 PM > Kathy (and Essex Rootsfolks, too, since the original query went there), > > Gosh, I didn't think I'd find anything so fast, but here it is. > > In The American Genealogist, Vol. 16, p. 23, I found (exact transcription): > > "Concord (Mass.) Marriages, 1724 by Clarence S. Brigham, Director, American > Antiquarian Society, Worcester, Mass. > > The manuscript Diary of the Rev. John Whiting for 1724, the leaves being > removed from a 1724 Almanac, contains nine marriages in Concord, Mass., > which do not appear in the Concord Vital Records. The only marriages > recorded by the Town during the period 1720 to 1728 were those performed by > Justice James Minott or Justice Houghton. > > Feb. 5 Amos Rice, Brookfield, and Mary Brabrook, Concord > Mch 31 Jonathan Davis and Abigail Brown > June 4 David Taylor and [Ruth] Davis > June 17 David Russell and Hannah Brown > July 9 Timothy Minott and Mary Brooks > Oct. 21 Enoch Stratton and Rebecca Fletcher > Oct. 29 James Wheeler and Mary Colburn > Nov. 2 Nathan Whitney and Sarah Goble > Nov. 5 Ebenezer Hubbard and Mary Billings" > > > Given the esteem in which TAG is held, I'd say it's a pretty durn good > source. And it explains why the marriage of Ebenezer Hubbard and Mary > Billings couldn't be found in the Concord VR. > > I love it when a plan comes together. > > Karen Sullivan > Visit Alden Kindred of America at http://www.alden.org/ > ------ > Once, on this earth, once, on this familiar spot of ground, walked > other men and women, as actual as we are today, thinking their own > thoughts, swayed by their own passions, but now all gone, one > generation vanishing after another, gone as utterly as we ourselves > shall shortly be gone like ghosts at cockcrow.-- G.M.Trevelyan > ------------------------------------------------------- > > >

This bible listing is for another list. However there is a Whitney someone may have been hunting for. Hope it helps. Diana

Hi All; I'm trying to locate Sandra Whitney Fahrnbruch, her EMail was RSFAHRN@AOL.COM. I have a request for additional information on Elwood Whitney and Catherine "Brees or Bruce" and Sandra supplied the input to the John Whitney database. Thank You Jon Aston

The other point to remember about genetic mapping is that genes from the either Whitney family can enter your genetic makeup through intermarriage and you have no way of knowing whether it was direct transmission or not. This possibillity is in fact highly likely given the fact that a large number of Whitney families lived side by side for so many generations in the United States And it could have happened two generations back or twenty. W.G. Whitney AT&T wrote: > I agree with John Fischer regarding the value of assisting with DNA > research. Yes they can go back many generations. I believe (but I am not > positive) that although they could not prove the descent of all of us from > John and Elinor (or Henry or whomever), without a sample of their DNA, they > can find a genetic link that would link us all together, and with the > genealogy research to back up the proof, it would be fairly indisputable. > This type of research was done in England a couple of years ago. However > they did have a bone sample apparently. > No, we don't need this evidence for our genealogy. But, as John mentioned, > DNA and genetic research such as this is truly still in the infant stages, > and a large group such as we have (including our extended families) would > give a researcher an incredible database for such study. So it would be done > for science rather than our genealogical needs. > Someone mentioned skeletons in the closet. Most assuredly they are there, > and that is a risk we would be taking. We would all have to ask ourselves > what happens if we discover that our firm link is very shaky due to some > apparent infidelity 8 or 9 generations back. > I know what my personal response would be to that, and it would not change > my own personal view on being a Whitney. I firmly believe that blood is not > always thicker than water. Someone raised as a Whitney by a Whitney IS a > Whitney, or whatever the surname may be. Yes, some will argue this, but I > have my reasons for this viewpoint. It may not be absolute genealogy, but > family is more important than blood in my book. > Okay - that went off on a tangent. > > Anyway, my former husband is a biochemist and researcher at Harvard. he > doesn't work with DNA, but I would bet he can point us in the right > direction to someone who does. > I will send him a note and ask his opinion on this. Just for the halibut! > Jo Hogle

Dear Janet, In your NY Whitney records, you don't happen to have a child born about 1846 named Theodore Pool WHITNEY? I found him in the New Orleans 1850 census at age 6 and then have no other information on him until finding his widow in the 1910 census living with her father and family with her two young children. Now this widow may very well have been the wife of Theodore Poole WHITNEY's son since the children were born so late, or she might have been a second marriage. This is one of my many brick walls, and am just grasping at straws. If you can help, it would be greatly appreciated! Thanks, Donna Hull >snip< > 1830 Broome Co., NY > 1830 Chautauqua, NY > I am interested in the John Whitney on these Census reports. Does > it have a place of birth, birth date or age, or any family > information? > Janet Whitney Duffield >snip<

Here they are

Hello WRG, Nancy and I with the valuable assistance of Ken Whitney, have attempted to prove the possibility that Deacon Samuel Whitney (b. 1707 York, Maine) and of New Meadows, Brunswick had four additional children other than that documented on the Brunswick vitals. This apparently was the case in a 1751 deposition to the General Court of Massachusetts requesting assistance for ransom money for release of his still captured son Samuel Whitney Jr. in Quebec. From 1751 on, Deacon Samuel Whitney Sr. seems to have left no further records in the Brunswick area. However, in church records of Maugerville N.S./N.B. along the St. John's River, Samuel seems to appear with wife Lydia at various times from 1773-1789. Land grant records show a Samuel Whitney in 1763. It is unclear whether the grant was to Samuel Sr. or Samuel Jr. We have located a deed in N.B. dated 1797 signed by Samuel Whitney and wife Mary disposing of property. We believe this to be Mary Aston/Austin, referencing a marriage in Brunswick, Maine of Samuel Whitney Jr. dated Feb. 9, 1760. Church records in Brunswick show Samuel and Mary being dismissed from Brunswick church in 1763 and 1765. Samuel Jr. was also a Deacon. Other Whitney's found on various lists in the 1760's in New Brunswick are Ebenezer, Josiah, Jeremiah and John. It is our belief that several, if not all, of these men are the four undocumented additional children of Deacon Samuel and Lydia Spooner Whitney born after 1743. Samuel Whitney Jr. the possible brother to these four men was born in 1732 and according to Pierce was released from capture about 1758. Ebenezer is documented as going to Meremechee, N.B., Josiah to Bridgton, Maine about 1787 (our focus project). John was documented in 1783 as being at Amesbury Peninsula having nine children and being on the St. John's from 1769. We have found no further records of Jeremiah. We would like to invited anyone with primary or circumstantial records to either prove, disprove or add to the above paradigm. In researching the family of Samuel Whitney Sr. ( John 3, Benjamin, 2, John 1) we found deeds believed to be Samuel's brothers John (born 1719) and Benjamin (born 1725) at Registry of Deeds in Alfred, Maine. Extracts of deeds: 1. John Whitney of Great Sebascodegon Island purchases of James Thompson of Brunswick, 30 acres on Great Sebascodegon Island and situated in that part commonly called Indian Town. Dated December 11, 1756. 2. Benjamin Whitney of Sebascodegon Island purchases of Sepren Cornish of Sabascodegon Island 20 acres on Sebascodegon Island. Dated May 6, 1758. Note: The possibility exists here of brothers purchasing land on Sebascodegon Island just off shore from Harpswell and Brunswick. We suspect this John Whitney to be Samuel's brother who was born 1719 and heretofore little is known. He may have also removed to New Brunswick with brother Deacon Samuel Sr and Jr and family. Benjamin born 1725 has been well documented. Further extracts of Whitney's entries in Harpwell Vital Records recorded by Rev. Elisha Eaton 1754-1764 and by his son, Samuel Eaton, 1765-1843 found at the Maine Historical Society in Portland: 1. Elizabeth Whitney, wife of John Whitney, received into Communion Oct. 7, 1759. 2. Benj. Whitney received into Communion Oct. 21, 1759. 3. Charity the dau. of John Whitney and wife bapt. in infancy Aug. 7, 1755. 4. Isaac son to Benj. Whitney and wife bapt. in infancy June 12, 1757. 5. Rebekah, dau. to Benj. Whitney and wife baptized in infancy May 6, 1759. Should anyone have any further information on this Whitney family project, please contact: Larry Tracy, Jr. at tracycomm@loa.com and Nancy Metelski at nmetelski@cybertours.com. Regards, Larry and Nancy

Dear WRG: Here's a good way to get a study like this done. Have people identify their *relative* positions in the tree, but without disclosing names. In other words, mark the blood samples with no more than the relationship to Adam & Eve Whitney, whoever the most ancient known couple may be. Then, identify the blood sample in terms of being a person of (X gender, Y cousin, Z removed). To be sure, this is not a perfect solution but it opens the door to many people who would not otherwise participate because of privacy concerns. The blood samples could be drawn at a local health care facility, sent to a central processing center, with specific instructions that no data other than the X,Y,Z characteristics be disclosed. If the researchers refused to go along with such guidelines, I would question their "good faith" in the matter. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alice & Ken Harris" <akh@molalla.net> To: <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 7:05 PM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] DNA Study by Dr. Woodward > Dr. Scott Woodward of BYU is doing a project for BYU. I can't remember > how many samples they needed but lots. He came to the FGS Conference last > Sept. and actually paid us $10@ for our blood. I don't know if there is > any way to make contact with the study or not. The Logistics for the > conference which was in Salt Lake City, about 40 miles from Provo where BYU > is, were simpler. > > The following is a quote from the August 2000 Eastman online Genealogy > Newsletter: > > "...He is involved with a major study of genealogy and DNA. Dr. Woodward is > collecting blood samples and 4-generation pedigree charts of thousands of > people to see what the DNA markers are for families and groups. > > According to an insert sent with registrations for next month's > Federation of Genealogical Societies conference in Salt Lake City, Dr. > Woodward will be at the conference collecting blood samples and > four-generation pedigree charts. If you are going to the conference, > bring your pedigree charts! > > Information on the conference is available at > http://www.fgs.org/fgs-2000.htm. Information about Dr. Woodward's > work is available at: > http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,195006815,00.html " > > Alice Harris > akh@molalla.net > surnames: Hall,Kibler,McClelland,Wagner,Poston,Cartwright, > Whitney,McCurdy, > >

Just FYI ..... the 1600s ANCESTOR DATA BASE contains listings of thousands of 1600s Colonial Ancestors whose lines have been approved by various Societies and Organizations through the years. http://business.gorge.net/aff/ Steven

Dr. Scott Woodward of BYU is doing a project for BYU. I can't remember how many samples they needed but lots. He came to the FGS Conference last Sept. and actually paid us $10@ for our blood. I don't know if there is any way to make contact with the study or not. The Logistics for the conference which was in Salt Lake City, about 40 miles from Provo where BYU is, were simpler. The following is a quote from the August 2000 Eastman online Genealogy Newsletter: "...He is involved with a major study of genealogy and DNA. Dr. Woodward is collecting blood samples and 4-generation pedigree charts of thousands of people to see what the DNA markers are for families and groups. According to an insert sent with registrations for next month's Federation of Genealogical Societies conference in Salt Lake City, Dr. Woodward will be at the conference collecting blood samples and four-generation pedigree charts. If you are going to the conference, bring your pedigree charts! Information on the conference is available at http://www.fgs.org/fgs-2000.htm. Information about Dr. Woodward's work is available at: http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,195006815,00.html " Alice Harris akh@molalla.net surnames: Hall,Kibler,McClelland,Wagner,Poston,Cartwright, Whitney,McCurdy,

WRG: Is anyone in the group familiar with the origin/early settlers of Whitneyville, Washington Co., Maine? If so, I would be very grateful of you contacting me. Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD

WRG: A few days ago, Jeanne Muse forwarded to the group a letter from Susan Henry concerning Andrew D. and Jacob Whitney of Yavapai Co., Arizona. I replied to her letter, both personally and thru the group in case anyone else is interested in this family. I am sending along her reply to me containing more info about these brothers. For those unfamiliar with them, their descendant line is: John1, Benjamin2, John3, Benjamin4, Jacob5, Samuel L.6, Andrew & Jacob. I am starting to picture them as the cowboys of the wild west that I grew up watching on TV in the good-old 1950's. Enjoy! Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: Kent and Susan Henry To: klw1@starpower.net Cc: jwmuse@compuserve.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:55 AM Subject: Whitney's in AZ Dear Ken, Sorry to be getting back to you so late. I found some interesting things at the museum today--a photo of Andrew Whitney at age 93, his daughter and three others (4 generations)--I did not get a copy of the photo at this time but hope to later. I found Lucy E. Whitney's Obituary in one of the Prescott Newspapers, either the Courier or the Miner--the obit was a copy with the name of the paper cut off. I also found an obituary for Delinda S. Whitney dated Oct. 15, 1889 pasted in amongst some 1970 obituaries. There was no name of the paper so I don't know whether it was from Prescott or somewhere else. I found E. L. Whitney listed as Ed and Edward in different Arizona census'. Now I'll give you what I have: Andrew D. Whitney b.25 Feb 1833 in Of Tunnel, WI. m. Lucy E. Robinson 16 Dec 1867 in Monroe, WI Enlisted as a Corporal in the Union Army 7 Aug. 1862--K Co. 30th Inf Reg, WI. He took his Civil War Pension on 17 Mar 1892 in Arizona. He resided in Tomah, WI in 1874. Died 12 Aug. 1929 in Jackson Co., Oregon. Andrew, E. L. Whitney and John R. Wells located a ditch from the Agua Fria River to the ranch (about a mile long through rock and a mesquite flat) in 1892. John Wells was a neighbor rancher to the south. Andrew homesteaded 160 acres in 30 June 1892 (legal description is the Southwest Quarter of Section 22, Township 12 North, Range 2 East of the Gila and Salt River Base Meridian). Andrew and Jacob ran cattle with the Circle Hanging J brand and grew alfalfa hay--they called it Whitney Ranch. Jacob W. Whitney b. 22 Dec 1838 in Of Tunnel, WI m. Mary Woodard. He was widowed by 1910. Jacob enlisted as a Private in the Union Army on 21 Feb 1865--I Co., 49th Inf Reg, WI. He took his Civil War Pension on July 1898 in NE. He resided in Makato, MINN 1875. Jacob homesteaded 120 acres (40 of it no longer belonging to this ranch) next to Andrew (S1/2 of the SE1/4 of Sec22, T12N, R2E and SW1/4 of the SW1/4 of Sec23, T12N, R2E G&SRBM) on 20 Mar 1911(the odd thing is that he sold it to C. E. Frice in 1910 ???) Anyway, the Whitney's had sold the ranch by 1910 and probably moved into Mayer. The ranch is located about 10 miles east and may-be a little south of Mayer on the Agua Fria River. Lucy E. Whitney's Obit dated Morning, October 22, 1921: MRS. WHITNEY DIES AT THE PIONEER HOME The many friends in Yavapai county will regret to learn of the death of Mr.s Lucy E. Whitney at the Pioneer's Home at 5:30 yesterday evening. Mrs. Whitney was one of the old pioneers of this county and of Arizona. Born in Knox county, Missouri, on April 4, 1846, she was married there, and came to Phoenix with her husband in 1882. Had she lived until the 16th of December, she would have been married 54 years. For about 34 years, Mr. and Mrs. Whitney lived in Yavapai county, making their home for the larger part of that time at Mayer. They have been the guests of the state at the Pioneer's Home for the past two years, Mrs. Whitney coming there after a stroke of paralysis two years ago, which brought about her death yesterday. Arrangements for funeral service are being made. NOTE: The Pioneer Home is still around today taking care of the elderly. Delinda S. Whitney's Obit dated October 15, 1889 Mrs. Delinda S. Whitney, aged 83 years, died at the home of her daughter, Mrs. Wm. Mc Donald, of this city, Tuesday noon, of old age. She had made her home with Mr. Mc Donald's people for the past 18 years, during which time she has been helpless, but received all the attention and every care that loving hands could bestow. I see we have a few discrepancies in our information. I found Lucy E. Robinson and the marriage date and place on the internet at Ancestry.com. Her Obit. states she was married in MO so I don't know! Other Whitney Obituaries found today: Dated 28 April 1974--Prescott Courier--Donald Whitney b. 17 July 1903 Boyne City MI. Moved to Prescott 2 yrs. ago from Adrian, Mich. Taught school. Survived by his widow Doris, daughter Rita Garland Dated 27 Aug 1969--Earl M. Whitney, 67, services at VA chapel at Fort Whipple. Burial will be with full military honors in the VA cemetery. A retired bellboy, moved here 7 yrs. ago from Iowa. WWI vet. Member of the Prescott Vets of Foreign Wars and Disabled American Vet Survivors. Survivors are wife Irene, son Richard Disney and 2 grandchildren. Dated 25 Aug 1970--Arizona Republic--Irene Georgia Whitney, 58 died Friday. Burial VA cemetery in Prescott. Iowa native, came to Prescott 8 yrs. ago from Kansas City, MO. Survivors are her father M. C. Hollinger of KS, 2 bros., 3 sisters, 2 grandchildren all out of state. Dated 18 Nov 1971--Prescott Courier--Alice D. Whitney, 71, died 16 Nov 1971 in Albuquerque, NM where she resided for 1 1/2 years. She was born on 5 June 1900, was a Pioneer resident of Prescott. Well, that's what I have so far. I'll let you know when I find more and if you want a copy of the photo when I get it, just let me know. Sincerely, Susan Henry Halle Ranch (since 1974), Mayer, Arizona kshenry@futureone.com

Maybe you have someone in your group or on your list who would be interested in the Family Bible. It has no connections of interest to me. Return-Path: <jimmykerr@earthlink.net> Received: from rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (rly-yh05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.37]) by air-yh05.mail.aol.com (v77.31) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:53:05 -0500 Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by rly-yh05.mx.aol.com (v77.27) with ESMTP; Thu, 01 Feb 2001 22:52:36 -0500 Received: from jimmy (sdn-ar-002txaustP237.dialsprint.net [168.191.153.253]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA18476 for <JHicks8311@aol.com>; Thu, 1 Feb 2001 19:52:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <027d01c08cca$ed1a9a80$16b8bfa8@jimmy> From: "Jimmy Kerr" <jimmykerr@earthlink.net> To: <JHicks8311@aol.com> Subject: Bible Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 21:47:54 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Hello, I have just purchased an 1850 Family Bible. Contents: Jedidiah Whitney married Angelina E. Hunton, Readfield, Feb. 7th 1858. Moses C. Young married Callie M. Whitney, April 22, 1874. (paper clipping pasted to this page, states: J. C. Whitney of Lewistown and Miss Faulina G. Farmer of Temple. Lowell Mass. May 6th (no year) Sanders Macomber married Rhoda Whitney Auburn, Me. May 9, 1869. next page: Jedidiah Whitney born in Jay? April 22, 1835. Angelina E. Hunton born in Readfield, Apr. 27, 1838. Jedidiah Whitney Baptised June 6, 1880 by C. W. Reicker in Cochico? River. Angelina E. Whitney Baptised by E. W. Reicker Pastor of Broadway Church, Dover? N. H. June 6, 1880 in Cocheco? River. Callie May Whitney born in Readfield, Feb. 23, 1859 next page: Moses C. Young born Nov. 14, 1848 Ossifee? N. H. Callie May Whitney born Feb. 23, 1859 at Readfield, Me. next page: Jedediah Whitney died March 24, 1911 in Auburn Me. Angelina E. Whitney died April 1st 1905 No. River Road, Auburn Me. Callie M. Young died Sept. 7th, 1953 at Kittery Me. Moses C. Young died Dec. 22, 1924 at Hudson N.H. John E. Young died Oct. 16, 1929 at Auburn Me. Ella Young died Apr. 6, 1938 at Auburn Philip S. Young at Dover N. H. John Currier died Nov. 19, 1835, Brownington? Vt. Age. 87 years Mary Currier died June 30, 1857, age 95, died in Warren N. H. Betsy Currier died Nov. 3, 1844 age 57 Jacob Currier died May 1845 58 Sally Currier Coials? died 18?49 ? Angelina Wood died Jan. 1896 in Himsdale Ny? This Bible is for sale Contact Jimmy Kerr 8227 N. Lamar Blvd. Austin, Texas 79762 I think my ancestors must have been in the witness Protection Program ! Genealogy Site: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=107971 Lohmann Research Page: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~lohmann/~lohmann.index.html Ector County, Texas: http://www.rootsweb.com/~txector/ector.htm Gen Cirlcles: http://www.gencircles.com/users/jimmykerr/1

Steven, At 07:04 PM 2/1/01 -0500, Steven Wallace wrote: >Though I am only a distant cousin of most (and MANY) American Whitneys, I >accepted an invitation to join this list because my Whitney connection is >much better documented than the others -- even to the 1700s -- and I figured >it might be interesting to explore this line further. No regrets. I seem >to have Whitney cousins everywhere but my only direct/blood link to the >Whitney family is through John & Ruth Reynolds Whitney. Until yesterday, >this was my "brick wall" on the Whitney line, but I didn't really have any >big reason to research it as I am still hunting for my Wallaces, Wilsons, >(immediate family names), etc.... until yesterday. > >Until yesterday, I had no clue why everybody was making such a big deal >about "John & Elinor" but now I get it -- I think. My late father (Richard >Wallace, 1934-2000) kept very good records, as did my grandpa (Donald >Wallace, 1905-1987), but they never told me anything about our ancestry >beyond the American patriots and such (i.e. nothing about our old roots in >the UK). Yesterday, I opened one of my Dad's OLD (i.e. pre-Internet) files, >and saw a reference to Whitney. > >My Dad's file shows that we are related, through John & Ruth Reynolds >Whitney, to a SIR John Whitney who married an Eleanor (not Elinor). The SIR >got my attention. So, I went to the WRG web site, and found a link to the >name Ruth Reynolds .... but the dates did not match. My Dad's file shows: > >Sir John Whitney 1589-1673 >Eleanor (not Elinor) 1599-1659 > > .... as being the parents of John Whitney (who married Ruth Reynolds). The parents of John WHITNEY who m. Ruth REYNOLDS are John WHITNEY of Watertown, MA, and his wife Elinor/Ellin -----. Their birth dates you give above are computed from their ages on the ship-list of the "Elizabeth and Ann", on which they came to America in 1635. These ages are believed to be unreliable. Their death dates which you give are correct as to year. For data on John and Elinor (-----) WHITNEY of Watertown, see the following two web pages: <http://www.whitneygen.org/archives/extracts/pierce/p016-020.htm>, starting on page 19, and <http://www.whitneygen.org/families/johnw/john01.html>. For data on his probable English origins and ancestry, see this one: <http://www.whitneygen.org/families/johnw/ancestry.html>. As to the Elinor versus Eleanor versus Ellin business, be aware that spelling in colonial times was very fluid. Generally, any spelling which could be pronounced right was acceptable. Thus, since Elinor and Eleanor are pronounced identically, either is a correct spelling. The only records we have of her use Elinor or Ellin (a shortened form), never Eleanor. >The citation is handwritten and a bit hard to read. But, appaarently, the >reference is to a book entitled "Cutters Genealogies of Eastern >Massachusetts Families" ... no date listed. I did a web search on "Cutters >..." and found nothing. Does anybody have a clue on this? Any help will be >appreciated. This was undoubtedly one of those books published by William Richard Cutter. These books were compiled by having families send in their ancestries to Cutter to be compiled into books and published by him with no checking for accuracy. Some of the lineages in Cutter's books are fine. Others are really egregiously bad. These books should be used as clue material only. Probably your search on "Cutters" should have been on "Cutter," and that is why it failed. Probably this is the reference you seek: GENEALOGICAL AND PERSONAL MEMOIRS Relating to the Families of Boston and Eastern Massachusetts - William Richard Cutter (1908), 4 vols., 2207 pp. This one can be seen in many genealogical libraries, and is now available in reprint for about US$200.00. >Is this is correct, why was he SIR John Whitney - sounds fascinating. >Thanks! Steven No credible evidence has ever been found giving him that title. I strongly recommend you drop this from your records. If you haven't visited the Whitney Research Group Website yet, I strongly recommend that you do so. It may be found at <http://www.whitneygen.org/home2.html>. What is your line of descent from John-2 and Ruth (REYNOLDS) WHITNEY? Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward rlward1@erols.com <http://users.erols.com/rlward1/> 12236 Shadetree Lane, Laurel, MD 20708-2832 301-776-1659

Though I am only a distant cousin of most (and MANY) American Whitneys, I accepted an invitation to join this list because my Whitney connection is much better documented than the others -- even to the 1700s -- and I figured it might be interesting to explore this line further. No regrets. I seem to have Whitney cousins everywhere but my only direct/blood link to the Whitney family is through John & Ruth Reynolds Whitney. Until yesterday, this was my "brick wall" on the Whitney line, but I didn't really have any big reason to research it as I am still hunting for my Wallaces, Wilsons, (immediate family names), etc.... until yesterday. Until yesterday, I had no clue why everybody was making such a big deal about "John & Elinor" but now I get it -- I think. My late father (Richard Wallace, 1934-2000) kept very good records, as did my grandpa (Donald Wallace, 1905-1987), but they never told me anything about our ancestry beyond the American patriots and such (i.e. nothing about our old roots in the UK). Yesterday, I opened one of my Dad's OLD (i.e. pre-Internet) files, and saw a reference to Whitney. My Dad's file shows that we are related, through John & Ruth Reynolds Whitney, to a SIR John Whitney who married an Eleanor (not Elinor). The SIR got my attention. So, I went to the WRG web site, and found a link to the name Ruth Reynolds .... but the dates did not match. My Dad's file shows: Sir John Whitney 1589-1673 Eleanor (not Elinor) 1599-1659 .... as being the parents of John Whitney (who married Ruth Reynolds). The citation is handwritten and a bit hard to read. But, appaarently, the reference is to a book entitled "Cutters Genealogies of Eastern Massachusetts Families" ... no date listed. I did a web search on "Cutters ..." and found nothing. Does anybody have a clue on this? Any help will be appreciated. Is this is correct, why was he SIR John Whitney - sounds fascinating. Thanks! Steven

Lorraine, I second your plea. This is a generic problem with all emails - hitting the "reply" key/button is just too easy! Note that the above subject line is hand-constructed, so to speak, and not a "reply" to your original. It is easy to do this and I would like to emphasise that many (if not most) people do depend on the subject line to tell whether or not to discard before reading. Thanks John Whitney (not the 'emigrant'!)

Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2001 1:26 AM To: Whitney, James E, II, NLSOP Subject: Re: Saratoga NYGENWEB-Durkees Remiscenses Hi, Here is what I found in the book, but first.... I think I have seen your name on the Whitney list. If so could you please post this to the Whitney list for whitneygen.org archives? I can receive messages but not post them because my email service changed the address slightly and I haven't been able to get through to the list to change it. Anyway here are the Whitney references from "Reminiscences of Saratoga" compiled by Cornelius E. Durkee, 1927-28 p. 218 entitled "Mrs. Susan Whitney Wakefield" "Mrs. Susan Whitney Wakefield was another will-known resident who died in June 1907. She was the wife of James I. Wakefield and was born at South Deerfield, Mass., the daughter of Stephen and Mary Burgess Whitney. General James S. Whitney for many years commandant of the great Springfield Armory was her brother and Henry M. Whitney and William C. Whitney were her nephews. She was educated in South Deerfield and while that was her home she visited Georgia and it was there that she made the acquaintance of James I. Wakefield whom she afterwards married. For ten years she made her home at Greensboro, Ga., but the Civil War coming on Mr. Wakefield felt compelled to abandon his business and property in Georgia, suffering great losses. He had often visited Saratoga and decided to make his home here. He puchased the square bounded by Phila, Regent, Spring and Court streets and lived there for several years. Later he sold this property and purchased the house at 8 Fifth avenue. After his death his widow resided there until her death, June 18, 1907." [Phila is the street name, not short for Philadelphia. JK] p. 53 about 1904 "April 16, Henry W. Sage, Thomas W. Hitchcock, Harry Payne Whitney, and George J. Gould active in polo here." "February 2 Death of William C. Whitney occurs in New York. He was president of the Saratoga Racing Association." Hope this helps and thanks. Janet Kral

WRG: Further from Ms. Labbe's transcriptions: The Boston Recorder, Boston, Thursday, Aug. 26, 1858 Marriages In Phillipston, 10th inst., Mr. Hiram POLLEY, of Westminster, to Miss Lucy WHITNEY, of Phillipston.

Hello Susan, I am very interested in these two brothers. Several months ago I viewed the military pension file of Andrew D. Whitney at the National Archives in Washington, DC. I am very interested in the migration of Whitney families from Maine in the 1800's. Andrew was one of at least six children of Samuel L. Whitney and Delinda Howard of Phillips, Maine. I also viewed the pension record for Andrew's brother, Bernard King Whitney. I did not find a record for Jacob. Andrew D. Whitney moved with his parents and siblings to Bloomer, Chippewa Co., Wisconsin. He enlisted in the service there in 1862, and was discharged in 1865. After the war he lived at Tomah, then Bloomer, WI, then moved to Mayer, Yavapai Co., Arizona, then Prescott, Arizona, then about 1925, moved to Ashland, Oregon. His second wife is listed as Lucy E. Whitney, and I don't think they had any children. His first wife, by whom he had two children, was Miranda Bates. They were married in Dalton, Sauk Co., WI 28 Sept 1865. Their 2 children were: Julia Whitney, born 11 May 1857, place unknown Edwin Whitney, born 8 January 1859, place unknown. Julia must have married someone whose last name was Cholan, for in her request for burial expenses for her father, she is listed as Julia Cholan, 66 Second St., Ashland, Jackson Co., Oregon. Andrew died 12 August 1929 in Ashland. His first wife, Miranda, died in Wysenia, WI 2 Feb 1867. I know nothing of Jacob, other than he moved to Wisconsin with the family from Maine, then moved on to Arizona. I have plenty of info on brother Bernard, but it probably won't help with your ranch project, since he did not go to Arizona. I would like to have any information you could provide about these brothers. And good luck with your history. Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD

Dear WRG; I had promised myself I was going to keep quiet on this but thats hard to do. My other Family Group is deep into DNA testing and were picking testing centers. I opted out of this so no longer receive their information on it so don't know how they are coming. However they sent out considerable information on it and I diligently read it and tried to absorb what I could. Even if the cost is underwritten by some testing group etc. the volunteer still has to get to the testing center at his own expense. At that time they were talking centers in large cities something like L.A. This isn't something that you run down to the local clinic and give them some blood or have your cheek swabbed, at least not yet . The group had a central coordinator and you had to apply through that. You need to give informational data and then see if you are accepted as a volunteer. Keep in mind that that is just what you are, "a volunteer." I see by the replies to this site we have many professionals who know a good deal about this and have given some good information. I don't pretend to know anything, but this is what I've gathered for my own purpose. DNA and blood type are two different things. Any blood type can be tested for DNA. DNA is an identification process and if you are lucky you have a small chance of identifying an ancestor from long ago or forming some link to him. It will also identify you, each one of us has a unique DNA trait like no other, much like we all have different finger prints. I decided I did not need to try to document or prove my ancestors in this manner. I am quite secure in my heritage. I had wonderful parents and it all started there. This paper chase we are all doing with our ancestors satisfies me. I've found it very rewarding to put names to my ancestors, to visit with many of you about them, to find out that there are distant cousins out there and then to relay this to my family. If per chance way back somewhere I have an ancestor who has dallied around and messed up the line or if indeed I'm not who I think I am I probably don't even need to know that because my heritage is real, its right here and very secure. What about the promise that this information will be protected, be safe, locked up and not used for any other purpose? If you believe that I have some ocean front property out here in Wyoming that I would like to sell to you. Rose Zella