Dear Jan: Thanks for the wonderful notice about the Abraham Whitney house in Stow. For the benefit of anyone who might be interested there is another "Whitney" house for sale in Barbourville, KY -- with four bedrooms, LR, DR, FR, K, 2B w. 2-car drive in basement, just repainted and recarpeted. <G> Allan E. Green

WRG's .. I thought someone out there might be interested to know that a house titled[in the RE ad ]"The Abraham Whitney Homestead-Thistle Farm" is for sale in Stow MA, priced at $525,000. You can read the online discription, but unfortunately they do not show the picture. Try <www.acton-realestate.com>. If you live nearby you might like to look at it, just for fun anyhow. It is described in the notice as "the rambling antique homestead of the founder of Stow, Abraham Whitney. The main part of this house, known for decades as Thistle Farm, was built in 1790, with additions in 1850 and in the early 1900's". First, I would guess that this Abraham was the son of Moses, who inherited land from his father. Secondly, I think this was "a stretch" on the realtor's part to claim any Abraham Whitney was a founder of Stow. My records show that the town was incorporated in 1683 and that Richard and Moses were living there in 1680-81. Any comments? Cheers! Jan

Dear WRG: Had a little time this morning to search the free databases on Ancestry.com, and came up with these items. I hope they help someone, particularly our Canadian cousins. Database: Maryland Marriages, 1777-1899 Name Spouse Marriage Date County State WHITNEY, JOHN OSBURN, MARGARET 23 May 1825 Allegany MD WHITNEY, WILLIAM H. DEAN, CATHARINE A. 26 Dec 1843 Allegany MD CRAWFORD, JOHN WHITNEY, ANN 10 Mar 1812 Washington MD THOMPSON, PHILIP WHITNEY, ANN 30 May 1796 Prince Georges MD AUSTIN, THOMAS A. WHITNEY, MATILDA J. 6 Jun 1811 Prince Georges MD Database: Northumberland District, New Brunswick Census, 1901: Eight Subdistricts Year Place Film # Division # Page Entry Family # Surname Given Name Relationship to Head of Household Birth Place Age 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 1 39 7 Whitney Hiram Head New Brunswick 26 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 1 40 7 Whitney Ethel Wife New Brunswick 19 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 1 41 7 Whitney Lydia Mother New Brunswick 67 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 1 42 7 Whitney Ida Niece New Brunswick 17 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 2 27 14 Whitney Moses Head New Brunswick 37 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 2 28 14 Whitney Susan Wife New Brunswick 26 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 2 35 16 Whitney Russel Ad Son New Brunswick 12 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 2 36 17 Whitney John Head New Brunswick 48 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 2 37 17 Whitney Eva Wife New Brunswick 40 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 2 38 17 Whitney Ernest Son New Brunswick 15 Page 2 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 2 39 17 Whitney Myrtle Daughter New Brunswick 13 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 15 22 Whitney David Head New Brunswick 76 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 16 22 Whitney Magdalen Wife New Brunswick 73 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 17 22 Whitney Susan Daughter New Brunswick 27 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 28 24 Whitney Fred Head New Brunswick 31 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 29 24 Whitney Margaret Wife New Brunswick 26 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 30 24 Whitney Harold Son New Brunswick 6 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 31 24 Whitney Jessie Daughter New Brunswick 2 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 32 24 Whitney Lilian Daughter New Brunswick - 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 39 26 Whitney James Head New Brunswick 47 Page 3 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 40 26 Whitney Jane Wife New Brunswick 48 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 41 26 Whitney Arthur Son New Brunswick 10 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 42 26 Whitney Bertha Daughter New Brunswick 7 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 43 26 Whitney Hubert Son New Brunswick 6 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 3 44 27 Whitney Eliza Head Ireland 77 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 4 6 30 Whitney Robt P Head New Brunswick 74 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 4 7 30 Whitney Gilkah Wife New Brunswick 73 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 4 8 30 Whitney Bessie Grandaughter New Brunswick 23 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 4 13 31 Whitney Colin Head New Brunswick 28 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 6 5 46 Whitney Howard Head New Brunswick 28 Page 4 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 6 6 46 Whitney Elizabeth Wife New Brunswick 21 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 6 7 46 Whitney Mary Daughter New Brunswick 5 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 6 8 46 Whitney Clara Daughter New Brunswick 3 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 6 9 46 Whitney Vernon Son New Brunswick 1 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 8 3 64 Whitney Neville Head New Brunswick 34 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 8 4 64 Whitney Jane Wife New Brunswick 29 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 8 5 64 Whitney M Gertrude Daughter New Brunswick 9 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 8 6 64 Whitney Margaret Daughter New Brunswick 8 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 8 7 64 Whitney Ethel Daughter New Brunswick 6 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 8 8 64 Whitney Edward Son New Brunswick 2 Page 5 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 11 14 88 Whitney Andrew Head New Brunswick 49 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 11 15 88 Whitney Elizabeth Wife New Brunswick 40 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K3 11 16 88 Whitney Mary Daughter New Brunswick 14 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K4 1 21 4 Whitney James Head New Brunswick 45 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K4 1 22 4 Whitney Margaret Wife New Brunswick 44 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K4 1 23 4 Whitney William Son New Brunswick 15 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K4 1 24 4 Whitney David Son New Brunswick 13 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K4 1 25 4 Whitney Mary Daughter New Brunswick 9 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-K4 1 26 4 Whitney Margaret Daughter New Brunswick 4 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-M2 6 13 47 Whitney Danial B Head New Brunswick 55 Page 6 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-M2 6 14 47 Whitney Janet E Wife New Brunswick 44 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-M2 6 15 47 Whitney Chester M Son New Brunswick 19 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-M2 6 16 47 Whitney Dora D Daughter New Brunswick 17 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-M2 6 17 47 Whitney Sadie A Daughter New Brunswick 15 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-M2 6 18 47 Whitney Helen L Daughter New Brunswick 11 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-M2 6 19 47 Whitney Maggie F Daughter New Brunswick 7 1901 Northumberland T-6442 19-M2 6 20 47 Whitney Cuthbert J Son New Brunswick 3 Database: Kent County, New Brunswick Census, 1871: Eight Subdistricts F# Surname Given Name Sex Age Birth Place Religion Origin Occupation M/W Birth Year Comments Sub District/Division Parish Page Film 13 WHITNEY ROBERT M 61 New Brunswick Presbyterian Irish farmer M 1810 D-2 WELDFORD 5 C-10390 13 WHITNEY ELIZA F 56 Prince Edward Island Presbyterian English M 1815 D-2 WELDFORD 5 C-10390 13 WHITNEY ELIZA F 23 New Brunswick Presbyterian Irish 1848 D-2 WELDFORD 5 C-10390 13 WHITNEY JOHN M 19 New Brunswick Presbyterian Irish farmer 1852 D-2 WELDFORD 5 C-10390 13 WHITNEY ROBERT M 16 New Brunswick Presbyterian Irish 1855 D-2 WELDFORD 5 C-10390 13 WHITNEY MARY F 9 New Brunswick Presbyterian Irish 1862 D-2 WELDFORD 5 C-10390 25 WHITNEY GEORGE M 31 New Brunswick Presbyterian Irish farmer M 1840 D-2 WELDFORD 10 C-10390 25 WHITNEY SARAH J. F 23 New Brunswick Presbyterian Irish M 1848 D-2 WELDFORD 10 C-10390 25 WHITNEY JANE F 3 New Brunswick Presbyterian Irish 1868 D-2 WELDFORD 10 C-10390 25 WHITNEY DANIEL M 2 New Brunswick Presbyterian Irish 1869 D-2 WELDFORD 10 C-10390 Page 2 258 WHITNEY EBENEZER M 39 New Brunswick Church of England Irish farmer M 1832 D-2 WELDFORD 81 C-10390 258 WHITNEY DEBORAH F 39 New Brunswick Church of England Irish M 1832 D-2 WELDFORD 81 C-10390 258 WHITNEY MATHEW M 13 New Brunswick Church of England Irish 1858 D-2 WELDFORD 81 C-10390 258 WHITNEY EMILY F 11 New Brunswick Church of England Irish 1860 D-2 WELDFORD 81 C-10390 258 WHITNEY ROBERT M 8 New Brunswick Church of England Irish 1863 D-2 WELDFORD 81 C-10390 258 WHITNEY WILLIAM M 6 New Brunswick Church of England Irish 1865 D-2 WELDFORD 81 C-10390 258 WHITNEY JOSEPH M 4 New Brunswick Church of England Irish 1867 D-2 WELDFORD 81 C-10390 258 WHITNEY FREDERICK M 1 New Brunswick Church of England Irish 1870 D-2 WELDFORD 81 C-10390

WRG, First, does anyone know why we can't access the WRG web site? Regarding my confusion about the Thomas Whitney who married Lydia Tufts in the book Marion Thomas Whitney by Edith S. Middleton, the problem seems to have been solved. I sent this message yesterday, but it got bounced from the list for having something called "hypertext", whatever that is. Anyway, here is the solution. You will remember that the problem was caused by a submission for membership to the DAR by one Mrs. Clara Noble Marble (#68531). She claimed her grandfather was Thomas S. Whitney, who was born 10 September 1799, and married Thankful Blethen, daughter of Increase Blethen and Isabella Whitney. This would make Thomas S. Whitney the same person who married Lydia Tufts in the Marion Thomas Whitney book. Big problem, gladly marked "solved". It appears that Mrs. Marble, believe it ot not, got her own grandfather wrong! Larry Tracy now has forwarded the inscription from Thomas Whitney's grave marker in Merch Cemetery, South Casco (formerly Raymond), Maine, buried there along with his wife Thankful. He is Thomas G. Whitney, not Thomas S. Whitney. The grave marker says his date of death was 15 August 1884, and he was then 88 years, 1 month, 20 days old. This calculates to a birth date of 26 June 1796. This is clearly not the Thomas S. Whitney that Mrs. Marble claims as her grandfather. So, this leaves the Thomas S. Whitney, son of Joseph and Rebecca (Stinchfield) Whitney as the husband of Lydia Tufts, and Thomas G. Whitney as the husband of Thankful Blethen. Larry Tracy has circumstantial evidence for the parents of Thomas G. Whitney, but no hard evidence, so I will not at this time speculate on his ancestry. Should this information be placed on the WRG site as a correction to a published source? Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD

Hello Ken, CORRECTION: In my haste to make an Historical Society meeting, I typed in another's calculations and not my own for Thomas G. Whitney's birthdate. It should have read: June 26, 1796. We have had little doubt that Thomas G. Whitney was one of three children of Efrem Whitney who died in a snowstorm in 1815 in Raymond, Me. Efrem's sons were: Thomas, b. 1796, Efrem, b. 1805, Moses, b. 1806/7. Efrem Whitney (Sr.) was the son of Moses and Sarah Gerry Whitney, who served in the revolution before coming to Raymond about 1776, then, a virtual wilderness. Sarah Gerry has long been given the badge as having been the sister of Elbridge Gerry, the first Ambassador of the U.S. but many hours of proving this historical book myth have come to naught. Nancy and I simply could not find a sister of Elbridge Gerry named "Sarah". This line is well documented by Pierce from this point. Because there were no early records of Raymond, and what was first written as vitals& family units were burned, It is only by heavily weighted circumstantial evidence that we can say that these 3 men are the sons of Efrem Whitney. All 3 of these men, thomas, Efrem and Moses lived side by side on land that father Efrem andhis father Moses and Sarah Gerry Whitney had owned (lots 17, 18, 19 in the 3rd range as I recall). Additionally, Thomas G. Whitney's children appear to reflect the given names of parentsEfrem and Abagail (Nabby) Whitney as well asThankful's parents (per your data). Of course, I am always looking for the definetive, but in the Raymond, Maine area it isn't there to be had. And yes, I'm open for further thought on this "Whitneyville" group as this area was called. It frustrated Walt, Nancy and I for quite some time. Regards, Larry Tracy Jr. Kennebunkport, Maine ----- Original Message ----- From: Kenneth Whitney To: Larry Tracy Jr. Cc: WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:36 PM Subject: Re: Thomas G. Whitney of Raymond/Casco, Maine Hello Larry, Thanks so much for your reply. As usual, you've got the bases covered. It is now painfully obvious that Mrs Clara Noble Marble was the source of my awful headache. You have provided the correct analgesic. In her submission to the DAR (#68531), she seems to have chosen the wrong Whitney for her grandfather. That is very difficult for me to believe, but there you have it. It is obvious that her mother, Elizabeth Whitney, was not the daughter of Thomas S. Whitney, born 10 September 1799, but Thomas G. Whitney, born 16 July 1796, from his grave record. This leaves Thomas S. Whitney, son of Joseph and Rebecca Whitney, born on the 1799 date, to be the husband of Lydia Tufts. I must admit that I have caused a lot of my own headache. I believed someone about who their grandfather was without checking further. I will let that be a lesson to me. On the other hand, this is wonderful! I now have what appears to be a well documented source for Thomas S. Whitney, and my database will be correct and have more information about the migration to the west of another Whitney family from Maine. It leaves me with one question. Larry, do you know the ancestry of Thomas G. Whitney of Casco, Maine? Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Tracy Jr. To: Ken Whitney Cc: Whitney Research Group Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 5:42 PM Subject: Thomas G. Whitney of Raymond/Casco, Maine Hello Ken & WRG, The following information was gathered several years ago while Walt Tracy, Nancy Metelski and myself were working on the Whitneys of Raymond/Casco, Maine. Herein, the focus is Thomas G. Whitney, about whom a recent controversy surrounds as to lineage. Thomas G. Whitney is buried in the Merch Cemetery, South Casco (formerly Raymond) with his wife, Thankful and other members of his family. Headstone reads for Thomas: Died Aug. 15,1884; Age 88 yrs., 1 month, 20 days. If calculations are correct, this would put the birthdate as July 16, 1796. Headstone for Thankful reads: Died Sept. 5, 1868, Age 75 years, 1 month, 28 days. If calculations are correct, this would put the birthdate as July 8, 1793. The Casco marriage int. show Thomas G. Whitney and Mrs. Emma R. Campbell on June 1, 1874. Census Material: 1820, Oxford Cty. Found a Thomas Whitney at (plantation) #6, 1 male age 45+; 2 females, 1 under 10 & 1 16 to 26. Pg 123, Oxford Cty. This, I realize, may not have any association with the above Thomas. 1830 Census,Thomas Whitney of Raymond, Me., 2 males between 5 and 10 & 1 under 5 years. Both Thomas and Thankful are between 30 and 40. Page 267. 1840 Census, Raymond, Me. 1 male between 5 and 10, 1 male between 10 and 15, 2 males between 15 and 20. Thomas and Thankful are both between 40 and 50. Females, 1 between 10 and 15, 2 between 15 and 20. Page 303. 1850 Census, Casco, Maine Thomas Whitney is 52 years and Thankful is 56 years. Peter S. is 16 years. They are living in the same location, but now named Casco, Me. 1860 Census, Casco, Maine, Thomas is 64 years and Thankful is 68 years. Peter S. is 26 years. Lucy A. is 22 years. The 1870 and 1880 Census are within my paperwork, but not readily accessable. For those of the WRG who are attempting to solve the puzzle of Thomas G. Whitney, I hope this short summary of collected data adds to the edification and not confusion! Regards, Larry Tracy Jr. Kennebunkport, Maine

Hello Ken & WRG, The following information was gathered several years ago while Walt Tracy, Nancy Metelski and myself were working on the Whitneys of Raymond/Casco, Maine. Herein, the focus is Thomas G. Whitney, about whom a recent controversy surrounds as to lineage. Thomas G. Whitney is buried in the Merch Cemetery, South Casco (formerly Raymond) with his wife, Thankful and other members of his family. Headstone reads for Thomas: Died Aug. 15,1884; Age 88 yrs., 1 month, 20 days. If calculations are correct, this would put the birthdate as July 16, 1796. Headstone for Thankful reads: Died Sept. 5, 1868, Age 75 years, 1 month, 28 days. If calculations are correct, this would put the birthdate as July 8, 1793. The Casco marriage int. show Thomas G. Whitney and Mrs. Emma R. Campbell on June 1, 1874. Census Material: 1820, Oxford Cty. Found a Thomas Whitney at (plantation) #6, 1 male age 45+; 2 females, 1 under 10 & 1 16 to 26. Pg 123, Oxford Cty. This, I realize, may not have any association with the above Thomas. 1830 Census,Thomas Whitney of Raymond, Me., 2 males between 5 and 10 & 1 under 5 years. Both Thomas and Thankful are between 30 and 40. Page 267. 1840 Census, Raymond, Me. 1 male between 5 and 10, 1 male between 10 and 15, 2 males between 15 and 20. Thomas and Thankful are both between 40 and 50. Females, 1 between 10 and 15, 2 between 15 and 20. Page 303. 1850 Census, Casco, Maine Thomas Whitney is 52 years and Thankful is 56 years. Peter S. is 16 years. They are living in the same location, but now named Casco, Me. 1860 Census, Casco, Maine, Thomas is 64 years and Thankful is 68 years. Peter S. is 26 years. Lucy A. is 22 years. The 1870 and 1880 Census are within my paperwork, but not readily accessable. For those of the WRG who are attempting to solve the puzzle of Thomas G. Whitney, I hope this short summary of collected data adds to the edification and not confusion! Regards, Larry Tracy Jr. Kennebunkport, Maine

WRG: I apologize for the typo. I try to proof everything before sending. This one got thru. Thomas was married in 1827, not 1727. Larry Tracy has a friend in Raymond, ME who is a descendant of Thomas Whitney of Raymond. He is checking Thomas' headstone. If it gives a birth date, the mystery is a long way to being solved. Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: <ShadenLune@aol.com> To: <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 11:13 AM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Error? > In a message dated 02/19/2001 11:02:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, > WHITNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > > > > > > On page 7 of the posted Marion Thomas Whitney book we find Thomas > > Whitney, born Sept. 10, 1799 in Phillips, Maine. 14 June, 1727, he marries > > Lydia Tufts in Warren Co., Ohio. Thomas dies in Burns, Henry Co., Illinois > > 5 August 1865. The book says that this Thomas is the son of Joseph Whitney > > of Lisbon, Maine and his wife Rebecca Stinchfield. > > > > How can this Thomas be married some 72 years before he was born? should the > marriage have been date 14 June, 1827? > > Adam Ian Rollins (James 1, Thomas 2, Joseph 3, Joseph 4, John 5, Aaron 6, > Samuel 7, Irvine Alfred 8, Perley Ellsworth 9, Raymond Chester 10, Adam Ian > 11) > > (CT Surnames: Cone [x2], Gilbert, Green [x2], Harrison, Harvey, Hills, > Hungerford [x2], Lutten, Pulleyne, Richardson, Seldon, Spencer [x2], Tiffany, > Wells, Whitbread [x2], Willey, Wood) > (MA Surnames: Abbott [x2], Adams, Baker, Barker, Barnard, Bennett [x2], > Blood, Boynton [x2], Brewer, Bridges, Bumpasse/Bumpas/Bumpus, Callum, > Chandler [x2], Dane, Decasse, Decker [x3], Derehaugh, Dodge, Dolliver, Emery, > Gutterson, Hale, Hall, Hansell, Howe [x2], Ingalls, Larkin, Longley, Lovell, > Moore, Morrill, Napper, Osgood, Patch, Plummer [x2], Preston, Proctor, > Pulleyne, Rawlins/Rollins, Reynolds, Richardson, Robinson, Rogers, Scott > [x3], Stratton, Stevenson [x3], Shattuck, Shishmanian, Tenney, Thorndike, > White, Whitney, Woodbury, Yalenezian) > (ME Surnames: Adams, Brown, Decker, Furlong, Hutchins, Jordan, Littlefield, > McCloud/McLoud, Seavey) > (NH Surnames: Adams, Andrews, Bickford, Cass, Cox/Coxe, Fry/Frye, Hansell, > Knapp, Knight, Philbrick [x2], Place, Rawlins/Rollins, Redman, Robinson, > Shattuck, Swain/Swaine, Wise) > (NY Surnames: Hungerford) > (RI Surnames: Decasse, Green) > (Armenian Surnames: Ghazarian, Shishmanian, Tooloomjian [x2], Yalenezian) > (Irish Surnames: Furlong) > (Scottish Surnames: Cone, McCloud/McLoud/[McLeod]) > > ______________________________

I am still looking for any information on John Whitney, born in 1784 in MA. I believe it is my John Whitney that shows up on the 1810 and 1820 census for Broome Co., NY. His son Truman was born in Lisle, Broome Co., NY in 1818. He was married to Polly Gibbs. Polly died in 1952 in Waukesha, WI, John moved to Coles Co., IL, where he died in 1871. He is buried in Bethel Cemetery in Coles Co., IL. John and Polly Whitney had three other children that I know of, Melinda, Elijah and Chauncey. Does anyone know where else I can look to find the parents of John Whitney?

All, At 11:36 AM 2/19/01 -0500, CVendla@aol.com wrote: >In an autograph book belonging to my GGGrandfather, E. H. Nixon, I found this >entry about Sarah BROOKS, b. 1782. >"Sarah married PHELPS. Her children's names were Sarah who married B. >WHITNEY. They left an adopted child EMMA..." This Phelps family was in the >Lexington, Mass. area. Any idea who B. Whitney may be? > Carol Paul Sarah PHELPS "of Lunenburg," dau. of Samuel PHELPS, m. (intentions 12 Nov 1844, both Lunenburg and Westminster, MA) as his second wife, Benjamin Hurd-7 WHITNEY. He was b. 15 Oct 1813, Lunenburg, son of Abijah-6 [Stephen-5, John-4, Benjamin-3, John-2, John-1] and Betsey-7 (WHITNEY) WHITNEY [Jonas-6, Jonas-5, David-4, Benjamin-3, John-2, John-1]. See <http://www.whitneygen.org/archives/extracts/pierce/p281-285.htm#P2042> References: Henry Bond, _Genealogies and History of Watertown_, vol. 1, p. 652. Frederick Clifton Pierce, _Descendants of John Whitney_, p. 284. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward WHITNEY Research Group <http://www.whitneygen.org/home2.html>

In an autograph book belonging to my GGGrandfather, E. H. Nixon, I found this entry about Sarah BROOKS, b. 1782. "Sarah married PHELPS. Her children's names were Sarah who married B. WHITNEY. They left an adopted child EMMA..." This Phelps family was in the Lexington, Mass. area. Any idea who B. Whitney may be? Carol Paul

In a message dated 02/19/2001 11:02:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, WHITNEY-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > > > On page 7 of the posted Marion Thomas Whitney book we find Thomas > Whitney, born Sept. 10, 1799 in Phillips, Maine. 14 June, 1727, he marries > Lydia Tufts in Warren Co., Ohio. Thomas dies in Burns, Henry Co., Illinois > 5 August 1865. The book says that this Thomas is the son of Joseph Whitney > of Lisbon, Maine and his wife Rebecca Stinchfield. > How can this Thomas be married some 72 years before he was born? should the marriage have been date 14 June, 1827? Adam Ian Rollins (James 1, Thomas 2, Joseph 3, Joseph 4, John 5, Aaron 6, Samuel 7, Irvine Alfred 8, Perley Ellsworth 9, Raymond Chester 10, Adam Ian 11) (CT Surnames: Cone [x2], Gilbert, Green [x2], Harrison, Harvey, Hills, Hungerford [x2], Lutten, Pulleyne, Richardson, Seldon, Spencer [x2], Tiffany, Wells, Whitbread [x2], Willey, Wood) (MA Surnames: Abbott [x2], Adams, Baker, Barker, Barnard, Bennett [x2], Blood, Boynton [x2], Brewer, Bridges, Bumpasse/Bumpas/Bumpus, Callum, Chandler [x2], Dane, Decasse, Decker [x3], Derehaugh, Dodge, Dolliver, Emery, Gutterson, Hale, Hall, Hansell, Howe [x2], Ingalls, Larkin, Longley, Lovell, Moore, Morrill, Napper, Osgood, Patch, Plummer [x2], Preston, Proctor, Pulleyne, Rawlins/Rollins, Reynolds, Richardson, Robinson, Rogers, Scott [x3], Stratton, Stevenson [x3], Shattuck, Shishmanian, Tenney, Thorndike, White, Whitney, Woodbury, Yalenezian) (ME Surnames: Adams, Brown, Decker, Furlong, Hutchins, Jordan, Littlefield, McCloud/McLoud, Seavey) (NH Surnames: Adams, Andrews, Bickford, Cass, Cox/Coxe, Fry/Frye, Hansell, Knapp, Knight, Philbrick [x2], Place, Rawlins/Rollins, Redman, Robinson, Shattuck, Swain/Swaine, Wise) (NY Surnames: Hungerford) (RI Surnames: Decasse, Green) (Armenian Surnames: Ghazarian, Shishmanian, Tooloomjian [x2], Yalenezian) (Irish Surnames: Furlong) (Scottish Surnames: Cone, McCloud/McLoud/[McLeod])

WRG: Sorry, but it just won't go away. I have found in my database another candidate for the Thomas Whitney who married Thankful Blethen. He would be Thomas, son of Abraham Whitney and Apphia Coombs, His lineage would be John1, Benjamin2, John3, Benjamin4, Abraham5, Thomas6. This Thomas was born in Lisbon, Maine 23 January 1794. The confounding factor is that somewhere, a source stated that he married Susan Cowing, no further info. So, did Clara Marble pick the wrong Thomas Whitney as the husband of Thankful Blethen, because both Thomases are descendants of Benjamin and Mercy Hinkley Whitney? Does anyone have any info on Thomas, son of Abraham that would make this scenario correct? Sorry to be such a bother on this subject! Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD

WRG: I got up at 6 AM to work on this some more. My headache has not gotten any better, but I find more confounding information. I have also extracted information from a related submission to the DAR in Washington, DC. It is from another descendant of Increase Blethen and Isabella Whitney, Mrs. Marion Bishop Briggs, #90920, Volume 91, page 292 of the DAR Lineage Books. I have extracted the following submitted information: Increase Blethen, born 1758, died 1838 in Phillips, Maine. Born Royalsborough May 15, 1768 (inconsistent with previous statement, KLW). Married as second wife, Isabella Whitney, born August 2, 1765, died 1843 (consistent with what Marlene Hinkley Groves has for date of death in Hinkleys of Maine, KLW). Married 1784. Children (all surname Blethen): Mary, b. 28 October 1785 Phoebe, b. 25 February 1788 Sarah, b. 2 May 1790 Hannah, b. 28 May 1792 Thankful, b. 8 July 1794, married Thomas Whitney Benjamin, b. 20 December 1796 James, b. 30 March 1799 Esther, b. 21 June 1801 Increase, Jr., b. 6 July 1803 Isabella, b. 29 October 1805 Orillia, b. 19 June 1808 Orphia, b. 28 September, 1811 Comments: The death record for Thankful Blethen in the Raymond records allows one to calculate her birth date as 8 July 1793, not 1794 as stated here. However, the Raymond records are not official records, and may be in error. Of course, these are also not official, so where does the error lie? Anyway, Marion Bishop Briggs is a descendant of Thankful's sister Orphia, and she does also say that Thankful married Thomas Whitney, but does nothing to identify him further. Now, back to submission of Clara Noble Marble, #68531 in Vol. 69, pg 194 of the DAR Lineage Books. I have scrutinized this submission more carefully, and find inconsistency. Mrs. Marble gives the date of birth of Thomas Whitney as 10 September 1799, which is consistent with the Thomas S. Whitney born to Joseph Whitney and Rebecca Stinchfied in the Phillips, Maine vital records. Since they were in Phillips by that time, he was undoubtedly born in Phillips, and not just registered there. She gives their date of the marriage of Thomas and Thankful as 20 February 1819, but there is no Phillips record of the marriage, so where were they married? She submits that Thankful died 10 October 1864, says not where. This is inconsistent with the unofficial Raymond records, which say she died 5 September 1868. She submits that Thankful's mother Isabella died 19 october 1884, but the Marion Briggs submission above and Marlene Hinkley Groves agree on 1843. Lastly, she submits that she is the granddaughter of Thomas and Thankful Whitney thru their daughter Elizabeth T. Whitney (10 Oct 1831-1882), who married in 1851, Silas N. Noble. If you check the Raymond records for the children of Thomas and Thankful Whitney, there is a listing for Elizabeth's birth, as Betsy, on 10 November 1830. Again slightly inconsistent, but who's to say which is correct? Although some inconsistencies exist, the problem remains unsolved. These two submissions thru different children of Increase and Isabella Whitney Blethen seem to agree that their daughter Thankful married Thomas Whiteny. And Mrs. Marble claims Thomas' date of birth as 10 September 1799. Is she wrong? Was he another Thomas? He would have to be another Thomas if we are to believe Edith S. Middleton, author of Marion Thomas Whitney. Now you see why I still have a headache. Just what I needed, another puzzle! Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD

WRG: I would like to thank the person who posted the extract from the book Marion Thomas Whitney on the web page. I now have a huge headache. I will describe the headache, and maybe one of you wiser heads can provide some aspirin. On page 7 of the posted Marion Thomas Whitney book we find Thomas Whitney, born Sept. 10, 1799 in Phillips, Maine. 14 June, 1727, he marries Lydia Tufts in Warren Co., Ohio. Thomas dies in Burns, Henry Co., Illinois 5 August 1865. The book says that this Thomas is the son of Joseph Whitney of Lisbon, Maine and his wife Rebecca Stinchfield. Now, switch to th D.A.R. Lineage Books, also found on the web site. In Part 7, Vol. 69, pg 194, we find the submission for #68531 Mrs. Clara Noble Marble. She is the granddaughter of Thomas S. Whitney (1799-1884) and Thankful Blethen (1794-1864), m. 1819. I have pulled that submission at the DAR in Washington, D.C. It says that this Thomas, who married Thankful Blethen, was born 10 Sept. 1799 (same date as Thomas above). Now, switch to the Raymond, Maine Vital Records, also found on the web site. There you will find a number of children born to Thomas and Thankful, along with the deaths of both Thomas and Thankful in Raymond, Maine. Now, I will tell you that Thankful Blethen was the daughter of Increase Blethen and Isabella Whitney. Isabella was the daughter of Benjamin and Mercy Hinkley Whitney, and the sister of the Joseph Whitney who married Rebecca Stinchfied and went from Lisbon, Maine to Phillips, Maine. This is the cause of my headache. How can we have two Thomas Whitneys born on the exact same date in Maine with two different marriages, and both Thomases are from the same lineage? Can anyone provide some aspirin? Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD

-- Nancy W. Hicks nwhitney@zdnetonebox.com - email (512) 682-6973 ext. 1119 - voicemail/fax Due to some kind of foul-up with my subscription to Whitney-List some of my email to the list did not go thru although I have been receiving Whitney email as usual!! To catch up: Found an H.E.Whitney who married a L.A. Moffitt of Cannon, Michigan on July 11, 1855. Does anyone have anything on this couple? I'm still looking for ANYTHING on my grandfather, Harry Earl Whitney, from Detroit, Mi. b.?, lived in Boise, ID-1920-23, in the auto repair business there. That is all I have or can find. Help! nancy ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com

Would like to connect with Whitney "cousins" who descend from Jacob N. and Sarah S. Whitney. Jacob was born in New York; Sarah (Brundrett) was born in Connecticut. Children were Hannah, Malinda, Joseph B., Mary Jane, and possibly a William. Hannah's married name was BARKER and she had three known children. Malinda married a BARRETT. Any connections to this Whitney family would be welcome; Jacob and his brother Joseph B. joined the Civil War from Quincy, Illinois. Both came to MN later along with father, John Franklin Whitney.

Dear Friends & Loopsters: I am starting to get behind on my e-mail and it's not fair to the people who expect/deserve answers to questions we've been discussing. As a banker, this recent fall in interest rates has triggered a good bit of business for me, and that means less time for fun stuff like genealogy. These little boomlets always subside at some point, but I will participate less regularly online, as I must give priority to my business. Long story short: if I am somewhat unresponsive on matters that DO interest me, it's certainly not a personal issue with anybody on the loops; it's just a matter of budgeting my time. So, I will jump in when I can but don't necessarily expect a reply ... I will catch up as best I can ... just wanted to give you a "heads up" to avoid the appearance of being rude - or something like that. I use this hotmail.com address for genealogy, and I get well over 100 e-mails a day, from all the loops. If you have a *personal* matter to discuss, please just send a note to my "permanent" e-mail address: s-wallace-7@alumni.uchicago.edu. Having more biz is great, but I do hope to get back to a more regular schedule soon. Back ASAP - Steven

Jo, You might find a library with an archival specialist (old stuff books) I took some deguerrotypes that were mostly gone and they photographed them and they look pretty good. This was Brigham Young University Archive Library. They were interested in that time period and Ontario Co NY so it was free. Photos are at Whitney photo site Ami Whitney taken abt 1859 and Ami Jr. (don't know the link off hand Good Luck Gary Wallace

Thanks to everyone for the thoughts and ideas on reading the old letter. I am going to try all of them until one works! I will let you know what worked for future refeerence. When I get it, I will transcribe the letter and post it here if anyone is interested. This man had wonderful handwriting, so easy to read. Whew! Jo

Sally & WRG, When Sally wrote this about Henry Payson Whitney I was so excited. Then I realized that it had to have been a different Henry Payson Whitney, which boggles the mind. Why? Because HP Whitney and his wife Margaret Hall Bohanon had 8 children, the first 3 daughters all died as very young girls, the only son died at the age of 19, and the other 4 daughters were children when the family came from Alexander, Maine to Minnesota in 1872. Henry Payson and Joseph Mason Whitney were the only surviving children of John Whitney Jr and Abigail Foster, the others having died in childhood. Joseph was childless and lived a reclusive life, here in Minnesota, after the death of his wife. HP Whitney and his wife returned to Maine for a period of time in 1889, but this was after my great grandparents were married. It appears to care for a sister of Margaret's. The "cousins" that he mentioned had to be Bohanon children as there were no Whitney cousins. I was confused and the letter was written when he was here in Minnesota and Margaret and their children were still in Maine. The first names were written, 'Isa' Emma, Mary and Charlie. He mentions an "Uncle William" . But these were Bohanons. I have record of that. SO... this means that there was ANOTHER Henry Payson Whitney in the Portland, ME area. Anybody know anything about that? I would love to find a connection. BTW - Payson came from the maiden name of HP's grandmother Mary Payson, wife of John Whitney, Jr. Jo Hogle