I have a 2 stories to tell you! This first one might be about ANCESTRY, Inc. I was so upset that I don't remember and haven't pulled this site up again. I'm still very new at this and hopefully learning, however when I started I assumed there was some courtesy and etiquette to this on line game of genealogy. I assumed that you didn't put out any information unless you knew it was correct, that you didn't use other peoples material without giving them credit and various things like that. I have gone very slowly and contributed very little in the line of family information, hopefully what little I have put out I identified. (Maybe not good enough and if I put anything out in the future you can be sure it will be identified at length.) Mostly what I have put on line is talk, I do a lot of that. But I've learned much from this site and feel comfortable about almost all of it. But heres what happened. When I started surfing about for things on my Grandfather Whitney I popped his name (Arthur) in one night and came up with a site. His dates were very incorrect and so being very new and naive I sent a reply to the owner of the site telling them so. They replied and thanked me. Now the owner of the this site is very far removed from the Whitneys and I wondered why they wanted them on their site but left it at that. The other night after finding some troubling information on the family site I belong to on my Fathers family I decided to pull up this site again and see if they had changed the dates on Arthur Whitney. I did and they did. I thought well that ends that, but then I decided to check further. Sure enough they had my Mother listed as Arthur's daughter. Ok. Further it looked like she wasn't married! Not ok--further I found she had a daughter--ROSE WHITNEY! Well to put this on their site someone did a lot of guessing and they guessed wrong. So 100 years down the road someone will be searching out this family and will find Marion Whitney, never married, but she had a daughter--Rose--uh oh that means she was illegitimate! Some of you talk about the brick wall you come to, well this would be one of those. Now I don't mind going down in history as a Whitney, legitimate or not but I have a sister (actually I have several sisters) who would be madder than hops if she found out I got to be a Whitney and she didn't.! So people that is what comes of a guessing game. If you don't know don't put it on your site or in your tree. Now heres the next one: This one comes from World Connect under copyright of Roots Web .com Inc. I was looking at my Father's family and punched in my Grandfathers name. Up popped 3 sites. The first one I looked at had a grave error where my Great Grandmothers name was concerned. I knew this error was on another site because it had been brought to my attention earlier. I was puzzling over this when all of a sudden I realized the comments included were direct quotes from the book I published on my family. And it sure wasn't credited to me. I popped an e-mail to the owner of the site telling him this was direct quotes from my book and I wondered where he got his information. Of course I didn't hear from him. Last night I decided to pull up his site and look at it again, guess what--it wasn't there! I did print it out so know I wasn't dreaming. So I pulled up the other sites, both had the errors and one of them had the very same exact quotes. I haven't contacted that person yet but I'm sure I will. I have received so much help and kindness from everyone on this site but these things that happened on my other family site have rather disillusioned me. Because everyone has been so sharing with me I wanted to share to and not knowing much about Whitneys I haven't much to share, so I thought if I shared all the information on my Father's family that would make up for it. Suddenly I wake up and find that all this information has been put on line just like it was the property of one person and just like it was all her doing, right down to the quotes from my book. I'm sure if I look further the whole book is probably on somebody's web site. Well there's my story, sorry its so long, but as you have been warned about some of the groups using the information for profit, there are also those who use our free information I guess just for their own personal ego. I could live with that I guess because I really don't need any credit for it, but it would be nice if they didn't guess about it and put out so many things in error. I don't know if theres a moral to this or not, but I do have documented proof of what my name is and that I am legitimate, sad to say but my name wasn't Whitney. Pleasant dreams! Rose Zella

In a message dated 04/12/2001 8:35:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, schwerin@unm.edu writes: << WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com >> I agree. Being from Oregon, and having visited Massachusetts in the fall, the weather was wonderful at that time. Maybe taking a further poll would be helpful. I would be in favor of the fall. If it's too late to give an opinion this is understandable as the people working on this asked for opinions some time ago and I procrastinated and failed to respond. Thankyou, Rebecca Whitney-Smith, Oregon

Hi Karl (and others) -- I appreciate your suggestion that fall dates be considered for the Whitney Family reunion. I've often heard how lovely New England is in the fall and hope to experience it myself some day. Speaking for myself and my family, however, 2002 will not be the year we can get there after Labor Day or before June 10. As I posted to the list a few months ago, my wife, my school-age kids and I are looking forward to going to Massachusetts next year for the reunion, if it's feasible for us. But we could only go during the summer when school is out. Theoretically, we *could* fly out and back for a fall weekend, but practically we would not, because we would want to justify the cost of round-trip airfare for four from California by staying longer in New England while not missing school. We haven't visited the myfamily.com polling place but plan to soon. Any of the four proposed summer weekends would work equally well for our family. We know we might well be in a small minority of Whitney cousins who would prefer summer dates for the reunion. We appreciate the democratic way this is being conducted, and if a non-summer weekend is selected by a plurality of the group, we'll eagerly await reports on how the 2002 reunion went, and hold out hopes that we can make it to a future Whitney reunion. By the way, Happy Easter to all our Whitney cousins! Appreciatively, Richard H. Mathews & Patricia Whitney Mathews & kids Brea, CA

> Hi Everyone! > > Allan has made some good comments regarding the Whitney Clan > MyFamily.com site. I agree with him that it is highly > unethical for an orgainzation like Ancestry.com to use the > information generated by people like us for profit. It ought > to be against the law. > > At any rate, the reason the reunion committee has been using > the polls on the Whitney Clan My family site is that it was a > convenient way for us to get feedback from those interested > in attending. I will make sure that any questions are also > placed on this Whitney roots web as well. In addition I'll be > sure to announce developements in the Reunion 2002 plans here > on the Whitney rots web. > > The current poll running on the Whitney clan MyFamily site > concerns which weekend in summer 2002 would be best for > everyone. The choices are June 28-30, July 12-14, July 26-28 and > August 9-11. We need to have a weekend in mind when we talk > to hotels about rooms, conference areas and other facilities. If > you don't want to use the polls, then just let me or Lynn know > which weekend is best for you. > > By the way, if you will need special accomodations like wheel > chair access or diabetic meals , be sure to let me or Lynn > know as soon as possible. We will do what we can to > accomodate these kinds of needs. > > > I am looking forward to the Reunion. > > from, Carolyn Whitney Branagan > > > >

Dear WRG: I received my invitation to join in on the MyFamily.com site, but when I went there I realized that it was operated by ANCESTRY, Inc., owners of Ancestry.com. For a number of years I have heard very mixed reports about being involved with this entity whose purpose is making money from genealogists. There is currently a thread running on NORTHEAST-Roots about this company, with the bad reports outnumbering the good defenses by about 5 to 1. I have saved a number of these messages, and if asked, will put together a collection and send it to anyone who wants to see it. That said, I'm sure that you have noted that I do subscribe to their daily newsletter. Since they now put live web links into it, I have been checking the various free databases that they offer as samples to interest people in subscribing to see if there are any Whitney materials that I can pick up and pass on. My concern here is that a lot of our work that has been created by a lot of effort will end up in their commercial products, when our intent has been to make it available to anyone at no cost. Others have found that the material that represents to be their research is intermingled with other material that is erroneous, and that they had not given any permission for its use. In the latter case, someone got it from a free site, incorporated it with their own stuff, and then sent it in to this corporate entity without asking the originator for his permission. All of this speaks to the sometimes antithetical matter of freedom of information, copyright issues, and ethics. I certainly don't have all the answers, but you will have noted, I hope, that when I glean data from Ancestry.com's free databases, I always give them credit as the source. That's my understanding of fair use and responsible scholarship. If I copied an entire free database, or even a substantial portion of it, and handed it out for free, I would, I believe, be in violation of their copyright in the organization and presentation of the material, and I know I would be unethical. So, to the committee on the reunion -- perhaps you could work through the Whitney-L maillist as well as through the medium of the MyFamily site? That would let those of us who are uncomfortable with the other keep up with our plans. As to the reunion, I'll be there with bells on, whenever and wherever you put it. Having said that, I do heartily approve of the Watertown area for the first one. We might look at Norwalk, CT for a succeeding one, for the benefit of our Henry descendants, and if we can get a bit more organized with the Southern branch, maybe we could have one in Virginia as well. I've run out of thoughts for the night. Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------969304671E44E9A0B296191B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Below is Carolyn's original message. It looks to me like this did get to the group, but just in case it didn't, I'm forwarding it along as she requested. To add a bit...she flatters my work thus far. School has kept me a bit over my head for the past month, but I'm done by the 2nd week of May, and counting the days. I have gotten a list of all the current hotels and their approximate rates, at least right now. In May, I will call each of them to determine what they require to offer us conference space in terms of numbers, when reservations need to be received, etc. and will post this information on the myfamily site. Also, I will then be able to give y'all a better sense of what each hotel offers and what it is need in terms of transportation, etc. Both Carolyn and I are always open to suggestions and it would be nice to start to hear from folks, even if they don't like the plans so far. It's early enough that nothing is carved in stone, so this is the time for people to really think this through. At some point, Carolyn and I will need firm decisions to do adequate planning. I'll be in Houston the first week of May and then I have a life again for a few months, so look forward to talking to you all more then. Happy Easter, Passover, Spring and any other celebrations upcoming! Lyn Legere Chris Branagan wrote: > Greetings to all! At last, interest in the Reunion again! > > The plans for the Whitney Research Group Reunion are very much > alive and well. Lynn Legere and I have been working since > early in February. Allan Greene and Jeanne Muse have agreed to act > as advisors for us, although we haven't had much for them to do > yet. Jim Whitney has offered to guide us if we need legal > help. Other volunteers are encouraged to be part of the Organizing > Committee. Let us know how you want to help. > > Plans so far are sketchy, as they should be this early in the > process. We are proceeding slowly, attempting to get as much > feedback as possible through use of the polls on the Whitney clan My > Family. com site. We are still early in the game, and there is time > to shape the WRG Reunion 2002 so that it will meet as many needs > as possible. We know we will not be able to please everyone. > > So far the WRG Reunion 2002 looks like this: > > PURPOSE: The purpose of the Whitney Research Group Reunion 2002 > will be to allow for sharing of the scholarly work done on the > Whitney family including information gathered on John and Elinor, > Henry, the Southern Whitneys and the Canadian Whitneys. In > addition, the Reunion will provide an opportunity for members of > the WRG to get to know one another better. > > PLACE: The WRG Reunion 2002 will be held somewhere in the > Boston/Cambridge/Watertown area. This decision was made from > responses to the polls on the Whitney clan My Family. com site. This > part of Massachusetts is rich in opportunity for history buffs of > all kinds . In addition John and Elinor Whitney settled in > Watertown, Mass in 1635. We are looking for a hotel that will > agree to give us free use of conference rooms in exchange for > the rooms and meals business generated by the Reunion . So far we > have not found one. We are assuming most of the attendees will > stay in the host hotel, but we plan to inform the membership > of different options for housing including camp grounds and > lower cost motels. > > TIME: The WRG Reunion will be held during the summer of 2002. This > decision was made after viewing the poll results on the Whitney Clan > MyFamily.com site. The results were 53% for summer, 30% for fall > and 16% for spring. We realize 53% is not overwhelming, however > compared to the other percentages we felt it was the best choice. > It will take place over a 3 day weekend, Friday, Saturday and > Sunday. There is currently a poll running of the Whitney clan > MyFamily.com site for choice of which weekend. > > WHAT WILL WE DO? The Schedule of Events is very sketchy at > this point, but we are planning : > Friday: afternoon check in the hotel > social time in the afternoon, perhaps a > reception > dinner together followed by a program. > (Allan suggested a debate between him and Robert Ward on > aspects > of the origins of John Whitney) > Saturday: breakfast > 3 different seminars running throughout the > morning ( topics yet to be decided) > lunch > field trips(some possibilities are the the > museums in Boston, Lexington and Concord, Freedom Trail, > Whitney Hill in Watertown, others to be > decided) > more seminars could be offered in the > afternoon if there is interest > dinner followed by a keynote address > Sunday: church > brunch > noontime lecture (on progress so far > regarding the Canadian Whitneys? Ken Whitney?) > exchange of written genealogies > possibly more field trips > good byes > > Our aim is to involve as many WRG members as possible. From the > responses we have gotten so far we are expecting less than 100 > people to attend, perhaps only 30-40. Of course we have NO > budget for Reunion 2002 and don't want one. The downside of > that is we can't make a commitment to any places. We can only > inform the membership of what we have discovered, make plans and > hope for a good turnout! > > Please cast your vote on the Whitneyclan MyFamily.com site > to give us an idea of which weekend in summer 2002 would work > best for you. Then we will be able to proceed in looking at > places to stay. > > Organizing this WRG Reunion is turning out to be a lot of > work, but Lynn and I agreed in the beginning that if we were > going to be involved, we were going to do a good job. Lynn is a > great partner in this project, and I have enjoyed working with > her . She and I have a long way to go on this. Our objective is > to end up with a fun filled weekend that is full of > opportunities for every member to learn more about our family > genealogy. Please participate in the polls, because many of our > decisions will be made based on those results. > > Let us know what you think of the plans. > from, Carolyn Whitney Branagan. > > Jeanne Muse wrote: > >> Dear Chris: I thought you'd like to respond to the below message. >> :) Jeanne >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <margaret@colossalevents.com> >> To: <jwmuse@compuserve.com> >> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:47 PM >> Subject: MyFamily Site Listings Contact >> >> MyFamily.com is forwarding the following message to you as >> administrator >> of the site: Whitney clan >> >> Do we have any news regarding the reunion, such as where, when, >> etc.? >> Just this week I have found that my ancestor is in the Benjamin >> Whitney >> line - I am so excited!!! >> My husband, mom and I are anxiously awaiting info about the reunion. >> My >> husband& I produce special events - would be happy to help with >> arrangements - our contributio! >> ! >> n to the clan. Thanks! >> >> Senders E-mail Address: margaret@colossalevents.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------969304671E44E9A0B296191B Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="lynleg.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Lyn Legere Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="lynleg.vcf" begin:vcard n:Legere;Lyn tel;fax:617-353-7700 tel;home:617-353-3549 tel;work:Boston University Center for Psychiatric Rehabilitation x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:lynleg@bu.edu org:Boston University;Center for Psychiatric Rehabilitation adr:;;940 Commonwealth Avenue, West;Boston;MA;02215; version:2.1 email;internet:lynleg@bu.edu title:Research Assistant fn:Lyn Legere end:vcard --------------969304671E44E9A0B296191B--

Ann, The Pedigree Resource Files are copies of GEDCOM's that individuals have contributed. The difference between these and Ancestral File is they include a copy of an individual's genealogy database including notes. These are not merged files. When an individual submits an updated GEDCOM, the old one is preserved and the new one is inserted into the database. This could be a great way of backing up your database in case of extreme disasters such as crashing a hard drive. Mike Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Hafso" <darcyh@telusplanet.net> To: <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 9:13 PM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Pedigree Resource Files CD > > Hi everyone > > I see on the Family Search website they have Pedigree Resource Files CD's > for sale. > Has anyone ordered them? Are they worth getting? And who are the > submitters? Other researchers? or is the info taken from the LDS microfilms, > records etc.? There is 1 CD that interests me. Any thoughts on these would > be appreciated. > > Ann > darcyh@telusplanet.net >

Hi everyone I see on the Family Search website they have Pedigree Resource Files CD's for sale. Has anyone ordered them? Are they worth getting? And who are the submitters? Other researchers? or is the info taken from the LDS microfilms, records etc.? There is 1 CD that interests me. Any thoughts on these would be appreciated. Ann darcyh@telusplanet.net

Hello all I was searching the archives recently and came across this email by Jon, of which I have snipped most of it and left the one message that interests me the most. I was wondering where this message board is that is referred to? Is it still up to read the posts, going back to 1995? Like Gdeagon had inquired about (below), I too would be interested in more information with regards to John Whitney and Lovina Bullock. Is this person a part of this list? Ann darcyh@telusplanet.net Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 20:00:51 EDT From: <MRJ79@aol.com> To: WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.comMessage-ID: <0.3d2ba60d.254254b3@aol.com> Subject: [WHITNEY-L] WRG History >Hello Tim, > >I have most of the Email concerning the group on file since Nov. 1995. The >beginning as I know it was on the message boards. The group started to grow >during the month of Nov. 1995, I am including some of the first communication >that we had with Allan Green, Kim Walters, Arv. Whitney, and Mary Ann >Lindsey, ETC.: <snip> >Subj: WHITNEY- Quebec >Date: 95-11-05 16:41:54 EST >From: Gdeagan > >Does anyone have information on the family of John Whitney who married Lovina >Bullock in 1796? At least one of their children was born in Stukeley, >Quebec. Their children were Betsy, Miriam, Artemas S., John B., and Lucinda. > > 11/11/95 <Snip>

Hi again everyone! Sorry, I thought everyone got an announcement concerning the Whitney Clan MyFamily. com site several months ago from Jeanne Muse. It has been a growing method used by members of the WRG to communicate with one another informally, about the goings on of every day life. To get there go to http://www.myfamily.com/isapi.dll?c=site&htx=main&siteid=ijfD&_lin=2 <http://www.myfamily.com/isapi.dll?c=site&amp;htx=main&amp;siteid=ijfD&amp;_lin=2> I think I've copied that correctly. Let me know if you have trouble! from, Carolyn Whitney Branagan

Chris Branagan wrote: > Greetings to all! At last, interest in the Reunion again! > > The plans for the Whitney Research Group Reunion are very much > alive and well. Lynn Legere and I have been working since > early in February. Allan Greene and Jeanne Muse have agreed to act > as advisors for us, although we haven't had much for them to do > yet. Jim Whitney has offered to guide us if we need legal > help. Other volunteers are encouraged to be part of the Organizing > Committee. Let us know how you want to help. > > Plans so far are sketchy, as they should be this early in the > process. We are proceeding slowly, attempting to get as much > feedback as possible through use of the polls on the Whitney clan My > Family. com site. We are still early in the game, and there is time > to shape the WRG Reunion 2002 so that it will meet as many needs > as possible. We know we will not be able to please everyone. > > So far the WRG Reunion 2002 looks like this: > > PURPOSE: The purpose of the Whitney Research Group Reunion 2002 > will be to allow for sharing of the scholarly work done on the > Whitney family including information gathered on John and Elinor, > Henry, the Southern Whitneys and the Canadian Whitneys. In > addition, the Reunion will provide an opportunity for members of > the WRG to get to know one another better. > > PLACE: The WRG Reunion 2002 will be held somewhere in the > Boston/Cambridge/Watertown area. This decision was made from > responses to the polls on the Whitney clan My Family. com site. This > part of Massachusetts is rich in opportunity for history buffs of > all kinds . In addition John and Elinor Whitney settled in > Watertown, Mass in 1635. We are looking for a hotel that will > agree to give us free use of conference rooms in exchange for > the rooms and meals business generated by the Reunion . So far we > have not found one. We are assuming most of the attendees will > stay in the host hotel, but we plan to inform the membership of > different options for housing including camp grounds and lower > cost motels. > > TIME: The WRG Reunion will be held during the summer of 2002. This > decision was made after viewing the poll results on the Whitney Clan > MyFamily.com site. The results were 53% for summer, 30% for fall > and 16% for spring. We realize 53% is not overwhelming, however > compared to the other percentages we felt it was the best choice. > It will take place over a 3 day weekend, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. > There is currently a poll running of the Whitney clan > MyFamily.com site for choice of which weekend. > > WHAT WILL WE DO? The Schedule of Events is very sketchy at > this point, but we are planning : > Friday: afternoon check in the hotel > social time in the afternoon, perhaps a reception > dinner together followed by a program. > (Allan suggested a debate between him and Robert Ward on aspects > > of the origins of John Whitney) > Saturday: breakfast > 3 different seminars running throughout the > morning ( topics yet to be decided) > lunch > field trips(some possibilities are the the > museums in Boston, Lexington and Concord, Freedom Trail, Whitney > Hill in Watertown, others to be decided) > more seminars could be offered in the > afternoon if there is interest > dinner followed by a keynote address > Sunday: church > brunch > noontime lecture (on progress so far > regarding the Canadian Whitneys? Ken Whitney?) > exchange of written genealogies > possibly more field trips > good byes > > Our aim is to involve as many WRG members as possible. From the > responses we have gotten so far we are expecting less than 100 > people to attend, perhaps only 30-40. Of course we have NO > budget for Reunion 2002 and don't want one. The downside of > that is we can't make a commitment to any places. We can only > inform the membership of what we have discovered, make plans and > hope for a good turnout! > > Please cast your vote on the Whitneyclan MyFamily.com site to > give us an idea of which weekend in summer 2002 would work > best for you. Then we will be able to proceed in looking at > places to stay. > > Organizing this WRG Reunion is turning out to be a lot of > work, but Lynn and I agreed in the beginning that if we were > going to be involved, we were going to do a good job. Lynn is a > great partner in this project, and I have enjoyed working with > her . She and I have a long way to go on this. Our objective is > to end up with a fun filled weekend that is full of > opportunities for every member to learn more about our family > genealogy. Please participate in the polls, because many of our > decisions will be made based on those results. > > Let us know what you think of the plans. > from, Carolyn Whitney Branagan. > > Jeanne Muse wrote: > >> Dear Chris: I thought you'd like to respond to the below message. >> :) Jeanne >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <margaret@colossalevents.com> <mailto:margaret@colossalevents.com> >> To: <jwmuse@compuserve.com> <mailto:jwmuse@compuserve.com> >> Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:47 PM >> Subject: MyFamily Site Listings Contact >> >> MyFamily.com is forwarding the following message to you as administrator >> of the site: Whitney clan >> >> Do we have any news regarding the reunion, such as where, when, etc.? >> Just this week I have found that my ancestor is in the Benjamin Whitney >> line - I am so excited!!! >> My husband, mom and I are anxiously awaiting info about the reunion. My >> husband& I produce special events - would be happy to help with >> arrangements - our contribution to the clan. Thanks! >> >> Senders E-mail Address: margaret@colossalevents.com <mailto:margaret@colossalevents.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

-- Nancy W. Hicks nwhitney@zdnetonebox.com - email (512) 682-6973 ext. 1119 - voicemail/fax Found in Buchanan County,IA-Harriet Whitney, b.(Sept.1824?), d.Jan. 22, 1875, age 50 yrs, 8 mo. wife of Eli Whitney. Hope this helps someone. ___________________________________________________________________ To get your own FREE ZDNet Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up today at http://www.zdnetonebox.com

Sorry everyone, I didn't include the publisher and date for my source on the Brays. Here it is: All the Royal Families of Europe by Elizabeth Leach Rixford. Reprinted for Clearfiedl Company, Inc. by Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc. Baltimore, Maryland 1991, 1999. Originally published in Burlington, Vermont, 1932. Adrian B. Burke, Assistant to: Daniel B. Graves, Managing Director Elizabeth A. Chang, Vice President GIB - Media Group 130 Liberty Street, 28th Floor New York, N.Y. 10006 Phone: (212) 250-4195 Fax: (212) 669-6022 -- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden.

For everyone who has e-mailed me about the Bray family of John's mother Mary Bray here is what I have: >From "Families Directly Descended from all the Royal Families in Europe" by Mrs. Oscar Herbert Elizabeth Leach Rixford The surname Bray originated from the parish of Bray, probably the one in the Department Eure, Normadu. the name of Sieur de Bray occurs on the Roll of Battle Abbey, among the associates in arms of William the Conqueror, 1066 and its right to be there isconfirmed by the fact that William de Bray is one of the subscribing witnesses to the charger of 1088, conferred by the Conqueror on the abbey he had founded in commermoration of his triumph at Hastings. The family supplied sheriffs to Northamptonshire, Bedfordshire Bucks, etc., between 1202 and 1273. Ralph de Bray was sheriff of these counties between 1202 and 1234. (colonial families, 1928 pp 179-180 1.William de Bray in 1260 was possessed of two knights' fees in Willaston, Northhamptshire. 2. Sir Robert de Bray, son and successor of William de Bray was summoned to attend Edward I in his wars in Scotland, and again by Edward II. 3. Sir James de Bray son of Sir Robert lvied in the reign of Richard I and of John. 4. Anselm de Bray son of Sir James de Bray. 5. William de Bray son of Anselm de Bray 6.Thomas de Bray son of William m. --Braxby. 7. William Bray, son of Thomas 8. Edmund Bray, son of William. 9.Sir Richard Bray son of Edmund was probably of the Prviy Council of Henry VI and was bur. in Worcester Cathedral. He m. 1. Margaret Dandes, dau. of John Sandes, 2. Joan, surname unknown, Sir Reginald Bray, son of Sir Richard and Joan Bray was made a knight banneret at Bosworth in support of Henry VII, who have him large grants of land, and conferred upon him the Order of the Bath and finally that of the Garter, but most iof his estate he devised to his nephew. 10. Sir John Bray, son of Sir Richard and Joan and younger brother of Sir Reginald, was bur. in the church at Chelsea. He had three sons and a dau. among whomwas Sir Edmund. 11. Sir Edmind Bray, second sono fJohn Bray was one of the knights appointed to accompany Henry VIII to Calais to meet the King of Fance. He m. 1. Elziabeth Levell, and 2. Beatrice Shirley, of Wiston, Sussex in 1539, and member of Parliament for Surrey under Queen Mary. He d. in 1588. The male line of his elder brother, heir of Sir Reginald, failed in the male line in the third generation. His younger brother, Reginald, founded the Gloucestershire Brays, of Barrington etc. 1. John Bray of Westminster, taylor, was probably of a line from a younger son of the Brays of Surrey. He m. but the name of his wife is unkown, he d. in 1915. As there was no law for parish registration until 1538, his parentage is probably not on records. 2. Mary bray daughter of John, was bapt. at St. Margaret's Church, the official church of the British House of Commons, adjacent to Westeminster Abvbey, and was bur. at St. Margaret's Sept. 25, 1629. She m. May 12 (license May 10) 1538, Thomas Whitney, of Lambeth Marsh, father of John Whitney of Watertown, Massachusetts. And there you have it my friends - that's what it written on the Brays. Adrian B. Burke, Assistant to: Daniel B. Graves, Managing Director Elizabeth A. Chang, Vice President GIB - Media Group 130 Liberty Street, 28th Floor New York, N.Y. 10006 Phone: (212) 250-4195 Fax: (212) 669-6022 -- This e-mail may contain confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient (or have received this e-mail in error) please notify the sender immediately and destroy this e-mail. Any unauthorised copying, disclosure or distribution of the material in this e-mail is strictly forbidden.

I finally got around to looking at the poll for dates on the 2002 reunion in the Boston area. All the proposed dates are in the summer (July & August). Isn't it awfully hot then? Also, for those of us coming from the arid Southwest, the humidity can be oppressive at that time of year. What happened to proposals to hold the reunion in the Fall, about the time that New England leaves are at their best? I note also that only three people had voted. That is hardly an overwhelming mandate for the reunion. Is it that few people are interested, or that few people are interested in those dates? I'd like to hear more feedback on the question of dates for the reunion. Karl Schwerin SnailMail: Dept. of Anthropology Univ. of New Mexico Albuquerque, NM 87131 e-mail: schwerin@unm.edu Cultural anthropology...is valuable because it is constantly rediscovering the normal. Edward Sapir (1949:151)

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Dear Janet: Your John Whitney (b. 1784; d. 20 Feb 1871 Coles Co., Illinois) and Polly Gibbs still appear in the "Unconnected Whitneys" database with 2 children: Truman Whitney (b. 14 Jun 1818 NY; d. 22 Sep 1880 Coles Co., Illinois; m. Florilla ?) and Adeline Whitney (b. circa 1820). Do you have any further information that I can add to the database -- more children or grandchildren perhaps? Jeanne (Whitney) Muse jwmuse@compuserve.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Duffield" <janet@eagnet.com> To: <WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:47 AM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] John Whitney and Polly Gibbs I have still not been able to find to much information on my John Whitney. Every census I have found with him on it has him born MA. On a piece of paper written by one of his children it says Deerfield, MA. He was born in 1784 and died 2/20/1871 in Coles County, IL. The family moved around a lot. He was married to Polly Gibbs from CT, a few of their children were born in Broome County, NY, they eventually went to Waukesha County, WI where Polly died, then on to Coles County, Illinois. Can anyone give some advice? Thank you in advance. John Whitney has been my brick wall for a couple of years. Janet Whitney Duffield

Dear Whitney researchers, Although I've known that I have some Whitney ancestors for some time, I'm just now beginning to research them. My question is this: I have a Jonathan WHITNEY, whom I show to be a son of John & Elinor ______. Is this a different son than John, or is he the same person? My line then goes: Jonathan (same one as above) b ca 1632 @ Islworth-on-Thames, Eng., d 1701/2 @ Sherborn, Middlesex Co., MA.; marr Lydia JONES, d/o Lewis & Anne (Stone) JONES. Their dau, Lydia WHITNEY, b 1657 @ Watertown, Middlesex Co., MA, d 1724 @ Sherborn, MA; marr Moses ADAMS, s/o Henry & Elizabeth (Paine) ADAMS. At this point, that's all that I have on the Whitneys. Can anyone tell me if this much is correct? I have not yet gone to the Whitney sites that you've posted; intended to tonight, but wound up having to spend a good part of the evening in the basement, as there were several tornadoes spotted in the area, and a fair amount of damage done. Thank you for any help. Regards, Barbara ADAMS, ANGELL, ARMSTRONG, BABCOCK, BADCOCK,BAKER, BALDING/BALDWIN, BANKS, BARKER, BASSETT, BERNON, BIRDSALL, BLACKBURN, BOURNE, BROWNELL, CADMAN, CADY, CLEVELAND, COFER, COOKE, COOLEDGE/COOLIDGE/COLLYNGE, CORBIN, DARBE/DERBY, DAVIS, DEKLYNE/DECLEIN, DELL, DEXTER, DRANE, ELLISON, FAIRBANK/FAIRBANKE/FAIREBANKE, FIELD, FINLEY, FISK/FISKE, GREGORY, HAIGHT/HOYT, HARRIS, HATHAWAY; HEGEMAN, HOSKINS, HOWARD, KIP/DEKYPE, LISPENARD, LIVERMORE, LOSEE, LYON, MAKIN, MARCH, MARSHALL, MOORE, MORSE, NASH, PAINE, PALMER, PEARCE, POPE, POTTER, POWELL, ROBERTSON, ROSS, RUSSELL, SHERMAN, SMITH, STOKES, SYMONDS, TAINTOR, THORPE, TOURTELLOTTE, UPTON, VERNEY, WALKER, WANS(H)EAR, WARREN, WEBB, WHIPPLE, WHITE, WHITNEY, WILBORE/WILBUR, WILLIE, WINN, WINTHROP, WRAY, WRIGHT.

USA MILITARY: GREAT WHITE FLEET (Atlantic Fleet bound for the Pacific, 16 December 1907) The Atlantic Fleet sailed from Hampton Roads, VA on 16 December 1907. President Theodore Roosevelt sent it out as an around-the-world goodwill mission. The Atlantic Fleet consisted of sixteen new battleships painted white with gilded scrollwork on their bows, six destroyers, and several auxiliary ships. This was likely the last large fleet to sail around the Horn before the completion of the Panama Canal in 1914. This database lists the names of the men who were on those ships as they sailed in review past President Roosevelt on that December day in 1907. Each record lists the last name, initials, and ship name, thus providing a link to many of the men who served the U. S. Navy in peacetime. Honoring requests from family members who wished to serve on the same ships has long been a tradition in the Navy. It is likely that included in the crews were many brothers, fathers and sons, uncles and nephews. Battleships: USS Alabama - Captain Ten Eyck DeW. Veeder USS Connecticut - Captain Hugo Osterhaus USS Georgia - Captain Henry McCrea USS Illinois - Captain John M. Bowyer USS Kansas - Captain Charles E. Vreeland USS Kearsarge - Captain Hamilton Hutchins USS Kentucky - Captain Walter C. Cowles USS Louisiana - Captain Richard Wainwright USS Maine - Captain Giles B. Harber USS Minnesota - Captain John Hubbard USS Missouri - Captain Greenlief A. Merriam USS New Jersey - Captain William H. H. Southerland USS Ohio - Captain Charles W. Bartlett USS Rhode Island - Captain Joseph B. Murdock USS Vermont - Captain William P. Potter USS Virginia - Captain Seaton Schroeder Fleet Auxiliaries:USS Culgoa (storeship) - Lt. Commander John B. Patton USS Glacier (storeship) - Commander William S. Hogg USS Panther (repair ship) - Commander Valentine S. Nelson USS Yankton (tender/scooner) - Lt. Walter R. Gherardi Torpedo Flotilla of Destroyers: Arethusa - (tender) - Commander Albert W. Grant Hopkins - Lt. Alfred G. HoweHull - Lt. Frank McCommon Lawrence - Lt. Ernest FriedrickStewart - Lt. Julius F. Hellweg Truxton - Lt. Charles S. KerrickWhipple - Lt. Hutch I. Cone Source Information: Royal, Karen, comp. "USA Military: Great White Fleet 1907." [database online] Provo, UT: Ancestry.com, 2000-. Original data: Government of Canada. "Men on Board Ships of the Atlantic Fleet, Bound for the Pacific, 16 December 1907." Department of Defense, Washington, D.C., 1907To search this database, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/inddbs/5542.htm Whitney A. L. B. USS Louisiana Whitney R. USS Missouri Whitney R. C. USS Ohio _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

[Merry Whitney wrote: Is there not some way, though, to confirm or refute whether this Thomas, if we do know he was the father of John-1, was also the grandson of the Sir Robert Whitney (died England Aug. 5, 1567) who married Sybil Baskerville, and great-grandson of the Robert Whitney (died May or June, 1541) who married Margaret Wye? ] This is where the DNA analysis discussed earlier on this list might come in handy. Of course, it couldn't prove that Thomas descended from either Robert, as even a precise match would mean only that they shared a Whitney ancestor, not that they're in the same line. Samples taken from male-line descendants of John, Henry, Samuel, and the "Whitneys of Whitney" might establish whether these are four (or three or two) separate families, or one big happy coming down from some paleo-Whitney. (Whichever is the case, "unconnected" Whitneys could find some consolation here, too.) A March issue of The New Yorker ran an article by John Seabrook in which he and some other Seabrooks in the U.S. and England found they were indeed distant cousins. Cheers, Ron Kyser