Dear WRG: If this is a repeat announcement, I apologize. According to the Summer 2001 NEHGS issue of "New England Ancestors" ... The 76th annual reunion of the Reynolds Family Association will be held in Des Moines, IA in the Fall of 2001. For reunion and membership information write: Reynolds Family Association Sybil R. Taylor, Executive Secretary 4004 Javins Dr. Alexandria VA 22301-2037 ;) Jeanne (Whitney) Muse

Hugh, At 12:51 PM 6/6/01 -02-30, Hugh Whitney wrote: > I have photos as follows that I > could scan and add to the website: > >1 - Icomb Manor (former estate of Sir Robert Whitney) >2 - The Church of St. Peter and St. Paul (outside view) >3 - The Church of St. Peter and St. Paul (interior view) >4 - The Church of St. Peter and St. Paul (baptismal font - dating from >Norman times) >5 - The Church of St. Peter and St. Paul - list of Rectors including the >church's patrons from1345 to 1663 who were all Whitneys. >6 - Monument to Lucy Booth Whitney in Hereford Cathedral (daughter of >Robert Whitney, the last Whitney of Whitney-on-Wye) >7 - Ruin of Clifford Castle, 1 mile southwest of Whitney-on-Wye >8 - Whitney coat of arms in belltower of the Church of St. Mary, Clifford >as well as numerous photos of the River Wye We would be delighted if you would be willing to do this. You can post them yourself starting at <http://www.whitneygen.org/photos/photos.html>. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward Whitney Research Group http://www.whitneygen.org/ rlward@whitneygen.org

Bruce, There are at least 17 different published Whitney crests, over a dozen coats of arms, and probably many more which I have not seen. It is a big subject .... ! As Robert pointed out, only certain descendents are formally allowed to display given bearings, so different family branches devised many variations which they temselves would register with the College of Arms. Bill Whitney of Essex, England has painted at least 8 different ones in watercolour, of which I have a photograph. I will try scanning it to a jpeg. Regards John

I am looking for information regarding Martha Whitney born 1869 in Arkansas or Illinois who married Wallace Pettit born June 1867 in Illinois. They were married June 24, 1888 in Alexander County, Illinois. They had a daughter, Effie Mae Pettit born January 1892.

I will now further confuse the issue. I believe that there was an error at some time in the description of the shield. Where one of the e-mail messages showed a shield with a bull's head over a red and gold cross with a blue background, I believe that the background is supposed to be white. I have photos as follows that I could scan and add to the website: 1 - Icomb Manor (former estate of Sir Robert Whitney) 2 - The Church of St. Peter and St. Paul (outside view) 3 - The Church of St. Peter and St. Paul (interior view) 4 - The Church of St. Peter and St. Paul (baptismal font - dating from Norman times) 5 - The Church of St. Peter and St. Paul - list of Rectors including the church's patrons from1345 to 1663 who were all Whitneys. 6 - Monument to Lucy Booth Whitney in Hereford Cathedral (daughter of Robert Whitney, the last Whitney of Whitney-on-Wye) 7 - Ruin of Clifford Castle, 1 mile southwest of Whitney-on-Wye 8 - Whitney coat of arms in belltower of the Church of St. Mary, Clifford as well as numerous photos of the River Wye In photos #6 and #8 the shield clearly has a white background. With regards to who has the "right" to use such shields, I would presume that the only legal protection of heraldic symbols would exist in Britain. In North America my guess would be that anyone could use them unless protected otherwise by some copyright or trade mark legislation. Hugh Whitney.

Shawn got exactly what I was looking for at http://www.whitneygen.org/misc/coa.html. It's the bull's head crest, in color, a good reproduction. Thanks, Shawn! Now, perhaps someone can explain to me why there are two Whitney crests, one of the bull's head, and one of a shield and knight's helmet, but no bull's head... Bruce

Dear WRG: The following is an excerpt of an article which appeared in the "Berkshire Genealogist", Volume 22 Number 2, Spring 2001, page 56-58. The "Berkshire Genealogist" is published quarterly by the Berkshire Family History Association, Inc., Pittsfield, Mass. ( http://www.berkshire.net/~bfha/index.htm ) Notes: I have capitalized the surnames for emphasis. The author wrote the dates in numerical form as DAY-MONTH-YEAR, which can cause errors while recording. Therefore, for clarity I spelled out the date in parenthesis. [p56] DOCTOR PEREZ MARSH FAMILY >From "The Dalton Papers", by R. W. Fischer, 1997. Reprinted by permission. [p57] A collection of early Dalton papers compiled by the late Donald Baldwin included a comprehensive listing of the Perez Marsh family. While a partial "tree" is presented here, a more detailed genealogy is contained in the "Hartford Marsh Family" book previously referenced. It resides in the Local History section of the Berkshire Athenaeum: [snip] #4 Henry; (son of Henry #3) b. 6-9-1797 (Sept. 6, 1797) d. 4-6-1852 (June 4, 1852) m. 5-9-1821 (Sept. 5, 1821) Sarah WHITNEY. #5 Dwight Whitney; (son of Henry #4) b. 5-11-1823 (Nov. 5, 1823), d. 1896 m. 19-10-1852 (Oct. 19, 1852) Julia White PECK. [p58] Footnotes: 3. Dwight Whitney MARSH No. 5251, "John Marsh of Hartford" 1635-1895, Amherst, Mass. 1895., pp. 403-407. ------------------------------------------ Jeanne (Whitney) Muse jwmuse@compuserve.com ------------------------------------------ Major Surnames I am researching: GOLDSMITH, HARDING, MUSE, REED, REGNIER, WHITNEY http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jwmuse/roots.htm -----------------------------------------

Here is an interesting site for those who are into heraldry. <A HREF="http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/">College of Arms</A> http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/ The crest is the design on top of the shield which depicts the arms. Also, just because a surname as a listed coat of arms, doesn't mean that coat of arms belongs to that surname. Coat of arms are specific to one person. Have fun with that site...it has loads of info. You might want to check out Cyndi's LInks for Heraldry also.http://www.cyndislist.com/heraldry.htm#General joy

Bruce, the translation I forwarded is in dispute. John Whitney of Oxford states the motto translates to "Boldly Uphold the Cross" and that "Crucem" is the correct spelling. Other WRG members have "Gallantly Uphold the Cross" as the translation. I copied exactly the text at the beginning of my copy of a family document that my parents had by the 1930s or 1940s. Merry

Thank you, John, "(reportedly)" meant I was copying from a document that I can't vouchsafe. "Mighty" does make more sense for "magnanimiter" although "sustinere" is a Latin root for "sustain," and I truthfully don't know whether "Crucen" or "Crucem" is accurate. Please excuse my ignorance -- I don't do Latin (or superfluous corrections). Merry

All, At 03:40 PM 6/5/01 -0400, Dennis Partridge wrote: >Hi Shawn and Bruce, > >You can get a copy of a colored crest for the Whitney name at this website: > >http://www.designsofwonder.com/gallery/arms357.html > >Designs of Wonder is a website that now offers 8420 crests that can be >downloaded for free personal use. You should read their copyright notice >before >downloading however... > >Best Wishes, > >Dennis The coat of arms at Dennis's suggested URL is different from that in the frontispiece of Melville's _Ancestry of John Whitney_. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward Whitney Research Group http://www.whitneygen.org/ rlward@whitneygen.org

Bruce, At 09:59 PM 6/4/01 -0400, Bruce29@aol.com wrote: >I have seen a Whitney crest in a book, but it was a very poor reproduction >and virtually useless. Does anyone have a copy of a Whitney crest and/or >motto? > >Bruce29@aol.com I have a copy of the coat of arms, crest, and motto, in a .jpeg format file. Write me if you want a copy. All should be aware that this coat of arms only applies to the WHITNEY family of Whitney, Herefordshire, and their direct descendants. None of the three early immigrant ancestors can be connected to this family at present. Regards, Robert Robert L. Ward Whitney Research Group http://www.whitneygen.org/ rlward@whitneygen.org

Here, I found it. This one that is already posted on the website is very close to the one in Melville's book. And it looks like a very good picture. http://www.whitneygen.org/misc/coa.html Bruce29@aol.com wrote: > I have seen a Whitney crest in a book, but it was a very poor reproduction > and virtually useless. Does anyone have a copy of a Whitney crest and/or > motto? > > Bruce29@aol.com

Is there a member who will explain which of the Whitney lines are entitled to use the crest? I understand that the Henry Whitney line of L.I. and Connecticut is not, that Phoenix was in error. Thanks, Rene Lewis Lawrie

Dear Robert, Thank you for the offer, I would like to obtain a copy of the jpeg that you have. I attempted to scan the one from the Melville book that I have but the spine is just too fragile. I paid a great deal of $$ for this book and don't want to add to it's wear and tear if I can help it. It has some wonderful photographs from England however. Shawn "Robert L. Ward" wrote: > Bruce, > > At 09:59 PM 6/4/01 -0400, Bruce29@aol.com wrote: > > >I have seen a Whitney crest in a book, but it was a very poor reproduction > >and virtually useless. Does anyone have a copy of a Whitney crest and/or > >motto? > > > >Bruce29@aol.com > > I have a copy of the coat of arms, crest, and motto, in a .jpeg format file. > Write me if you want a copy. > > All should be aware that this coat of arms only applies to the WHITNEY > family of Whitney, Herefordshire, and their direct descendants. None of the > three early immigrant ancestors can be connected to this family at present. > > Regards, > > Robert > > Robert L. Ward > Whitney Research Group > http://www.whitneygen.org/ > rlward@whitneygen.org

Hi Shawn and Bruce, You can get a copy of a colored crest for the Whitney name at this website: http://www.designsofwonder.com/gallery/arms357.html Designs of Wonder is a website that now offers 8420 crests that can be downloaded for free personal use. You should read their copyright notice before downloading however... Best Wishes, Dennis Genealogy research tools made to be used: SurnameWeb - http://www.surnameweb.org/ AccessGenealogy - http://www.accessgenealogy.com PartridgeNest - http://www.PartridgeNest.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Whitney [mailto:cyberboone@worldnet.att.net] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:02 PM To: WHITNEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney crest I have the great color crest that is in the Melville book. I bought an old copy and have never tried to scan out of it yet because of the binding. But I can see what I can do, if you are interested. Shawn Whitney Seattle, WA GO Mariners! Bruce29@aol.com wrote: > I have seen a Whitney crest in a book, but it was a very poor reproduction > and virtually useless. Does anyone have a copy of a Whitney crest and/or > motto? > > Bruce29@aol.com

Merry, The correct spelling is "Magnanimiter Crucem Sustine", which means "Boldly uphold the Cross" John Whitney Oxford

In scanning through a genealogy of a Poston family, I found the following kindred. They appear to have resided in Kentucky. Hester Farra (27 Mar 1796-22 Sep 1863) m. (1) 1813 John Cassell (10 Jan 1785-30 Mar 1815) and (2) 1823 Elias B. Poston. Hester and John had one son, Samuel Farra Cassell (17 Mar 1838-6 Sep 1852) who married 29 Nov. 1838 Sarah B. Bryan (5 Mar 1816-27 July 1894). They had 9 children: Eudora B., Margaret Bryan, William Bryan, Maltha Elley, Mary B., Eugene Aaron, Alpheus Lewis, Laura Latham, and Sam Anna Cassell. Eugene Aaron Cassell (1847-1900) m 16 Mar 1869 Amanda Telford Whitney (1852-1927). They had 7 children. i. Daniel Bryan Cassell (1 Dec 1869-12 May 1870) ii. Eugenia Whitney Cassell (b 10 Sep 1871) iii. Sallie Gay Cassell (29 Sep 1873-8 Apr 1884) iv. Georgia Bryan Cassel (23 Dec 1875-21 Nov 1877) v. Anna Belle Cassell (17 Dec 1879-10 Jan 1971) vi. Terah Dunlap Cassell (3 Apr 1886-20 Apr 1915) see below vii. Whitney Weir Cassel (b. 29 July 1894) see below Terah Dunlap Cassell m 7 Sep 1910 John Steele (b 30 Oct 1882). They had one daughter, i. Dorothy Whitney Steele (b 5 Jan 1912) who married 14 Jan 1934 Henry Barnes Biggerstaff (b 25 Jan 1909) and had one son, John Whitney Biggerstaff (b 25 Nov 1934) Whitney Weir Cassell married 6 Jan 1923 Nancy Naomi Zuerne (b. 6 Mar 1897). They lived in Tucson, Arizona and had three children: i. James Whitney Cassell (b 22 Jan 1924) ii. Margaret Anne Cassell (b. 23 Nov 1928) iii. Helen Zeurne Cassell (b 7 Jan 1934) This information was found in: James, Elias Olan, and Glenna Lucile James, "Elias B. Poston and his Ancestors with a record of his descendants" published privately by Elias Olan James, Oakland, California 1942, pp 199-201. This may be of interest to someone. Mike Poston Rockville, Maryland

I have it as: GALLANTLY UPHOLD THE CROSS Sally in Virginia On Tue, 5 Jun 2001 00:04:28 EDT MerryJWhit@aol.com writes: > The motto on the Whitney Coat of Arms (reportedly) is: "Magnanimiter > Crucen > Sustine" ('Sustain the Magnificent Crucifix'). > > Merry >

Jean: Thanks for your inquiry, but this book doesn't cover the people you are interested in. Laura