Hello Janet It is interesting to me that you bring up Joshua Whitney and Phoebe Day. I was wondering about that just the other day. I note that in Robert Ward's six-generation John and Eleanor database, he mentions that Joshua of Medfield could be the one who married Phoebe Day, since he did marry a Phoebe. I wondered to myself just how many Joshua Whitneys there were in those days who could be a candidate to have married Phoebe. Also, How many Joshuas back then did actually marry a Phoebe. Maybe those in the group with expertise in Massachusetts can help enlighten us. Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 5:57 AM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Phoebe Day > Has anyone found anything showing that Joshua Whitney, born abt 1712 in > Medfield, MA was married to Phoebe Day? I know his wife was Phoebe. > > Also, who is the Nathaniel Whitney that Hannah Whitney (born 1745 in > Uxbridge, MA) married? > > Hope this makes sense. > > Janet Whitney Duffield >

Has anyone found anything showing that Joshua Whitney, born abt 1712 in Medfield, MA was married to Phoebe Day? I know his wife was Phoebe. Also, who is the Nathaniel Whitney that Hannah Whitney (born 1745 in Uxbridge, MA) married? Hope this makes sense. Janet Whitney Duffield

Thank you Robert. I did assume that was the case but at the same time, one never makes assumptions, especially not in genealogy. The fact that William had been recorded in CT for several years before her birth added to my questioning of location. As Margaret pointed out, we are all well aware of the double recording. It is just difficult to be certain which is the location of the birth and which is an added record. But everything can't be easy - it wouldn't be any fun then. Jo H ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert L. Ward<mailto:[email protected]> To: Jo Hogle<mailto:[email protected]> ; [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Elisabeth Whitney 1719 All, At 12:52 PM 12/15/05, Jo Hogle wrote: >In reviewing the Barbour Collection of Connecticut Vital Records for >Plainfield,CT I find the following: > >Elisabeth, d, William & Margret, b. 12 Aug 1719 1:27 > >Previously I have found this same individual in the Groton, MA VRs >and this is the location also noted in the databases of Jeanne Muse >and Allan Green as well as in the WRG archives "Descendants of >William-3 Whitney" of Robert Ward all with reference to the Groton VRs. > >I find that her brother Caleb was born in Plainfield,CT 10 Sep >1721. Allan and Robert also have this date and location noted. > >Which raises the question...Was she born in Groton or in Plainfield? >Or does this mean that the William who resided in Groton and the >William who resided in CT (first Killingly, then Plainfield) are 2 >different people who just happened to marry women named Margaret and >have daughters they named Elizabeth, who were born on the same day? > >Robert raises the question as to whether there are 2 different >Williams, but the circumstances are highly unlikely that all else >would be equal. > >Has anyone researched this family further and determined if we are >indeed looking at 2 different families or if one of the VRs was >added after the fact? > >This isn't my direct line but I still would like to have the correct >information in my personal database, and we want it correct on the >website as well. > >Thoughts? There was just one William with wife Margaret and daughter Elizabeth. It seems that her brother John and she were most likely born in Groton, before the move, and recorded there. Then, after the move to Plainfield, their births were recorded again along with that of her brother Caleb, all on the same page. The double recording serves to confirm the identity of William and Margaret of Groton with William and Margaret of Plainfield, not to contradict it. Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward rlward AT whitneygen DOT org http://www.whitneygen.org/home.html<http://www.whitneygen.org/home.html>

All, At 12:52 PM 12/15/05, Jo Hogle wrote: >In reviewing the Barbour Collection of Connecticut Vital Records for >Plainfield,CT I find the following: > >Elisabeth, d, William & Margret, b. 12 Aug 1719 1:27 > >Previously I have found this same individual in the Groton, MA VRs >and this is the location also noted in the databases of Jeanne Muse >and Allan Green as well as in the WRG archives "Descendants of >William-3 Whitney" of Robert Ward all with reference to the Groton VRs. > >I find that her brother Caleb was born in Plainfield,CT 10 Sep >1721. Allan and Robert also have this date and location noted. > >Which raises the question...Was she born in Groton or in Plainfield? >Or does this mean that the William who resided in Groton and the >William who resided in CT (first Killingly, then Plainfield) are 2 >different people who just happened to marry women named Margaret and >have daughters they named Elizabeth, who were born on the same day? > >Robert raises the question as to whether there are 2 different >Williams, but the circumstances are highly unlikely that all else >would be equal. > >Has anyone researched this family further and determined if we are >indeed looking at 2 different families or if one of the VRs was >added after the fact? > >This isn't my direct line but I still would like to have the correct >information in my personal database, and we want it correct on the >website as well. > >Thoughts? There was just one William with wife Margaret and daughter Elizabeth. It seems that her brother John and she were most likely born in Groton, before the move, and recorded there. Then, after the move to Plainfield, their births were recorded again along with that of her brother Caleb, all on the same page. The double recording serves to confirm the identity of William and Margaret of Groton with William and Margaret of Plainfield, not to contradict it. Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward rlward AT whitneygen DOT org http://www.whitneygen.org/home.html

WRG In reviewing the Barbour Collection of Connecticut Vital Records for Plainfield,CT I find the following: Elisabeth, d, William & Margret, b. 12 Aug 1719 1:27 Previously I have found this same individual in the Groton, MA VRs and this is the location also noted in the databases of Jeanne Muse and Allan Green as well as in the WRG archives "Descendants of William-3 Whitney" of Robert Ward all with reference to the Groton VRs. I find that her brother Caleb was born in Plainfield,CT 10 Sep 1721. Allan and Robert also have this date and location noted. Which raises the question...Was she born in Groton or in Plainfield? Or does this mean that the William who resided in Groton and the William who resided in CT (first Killingly, then Plainfield) are 2 different people who just happened to marry women named Margaret and have daughters they named Elizabeth, who were born on the same day? Robert raises the question as to whether there are 2 different Williams, but the circumstances are highly unlikely that all else would be equal. Has anyone researched this family further and determined if we are indeed looking at 2 different families or if one of the VRs was added after the fact? This isn't my direct line but I still would like to have the correct information in my personal database, and we want it correct on the website as well. Thoughts? Jo Hogle

Jo, It is quite common for a birth or marriage event to be recorded in more than one place. The conditions for this are: The family moved and the head of the family entered the birth dates for the whole family in the new town as well the earlier entry in the town where the birth occurred. Sometimes the grandparents would record a birth of a grandchild in "the old home town" if the parent of the grandchild had recently moved. Marriages were also treated this way or intentions publish in records of grooms residence, the brides residence. Then the marriage in town (usually bride's) where the marriage occurred or again in the town where the new family settled. As to whether the birth happened in Groton or Plainfield it may be impossible to decide 100% which is correct. Both should be noted. Perhaps by examining other information--Who lived in the town? If the towns were close and Elizabeth a first child perhaps the wife went home to be with her mother for the birth. My guess is that Elizabeth was born in Groton and then the family moved to Plainfield. ONE FAMILY ONLY Margaret Swanson

Looking for parents of Lucy Whitney, b 19 Jul 1799 Oneida Co, NY; d 21 Apr 1862, Town of Independence, Allegany Co,NY. m. David Sherwood 3 Aug 1817 Dryden, Tompkins Co, NY. David and Lucy moved from Tompkins Co to Allegany Co, NY abt 1830. Possibly her brother William and wife Clarinda and children: Eleanor, Persilla, Morville, Lavina, John, Betsy, and Olive lived next to them in Independence in 1850. John Sherwood, Jamestown, NY

Hello list, It has been suggested that I send the below information to the list to see what you have to say about the following lineages: Two kind people have helped me in my search for Willard Moore Whitney b.23 Sep 1882 in NY. They would be Lois who found baptizimal list, and James, both of this list. The link below takes you to the Athens Refiormed Church baptismal list. It has Willard Moore Whitney being baptized and he is again listed with his wife Louisa Bartlett and their 3 children being baptized in 1887. The children are Laura Dolly Bertus Whitney b.13 Dec 1880, Willard Bartlett Whitney b. 23 Sep 1882, and Lillie Moore Whitney b.15 Oct 1884. I believe Willard and Lillie's middle names were transposed when the names were listed. Willard lists his middle name as Moore on his WWI draft registration card which has the EXACT same date of Willard Bartlett in the baptismal name listing in the Athens Reformed Church. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2/athens_reformed_baptisms.htm> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2/athens_reformed_baptisms.htm The WWI draft registration card is on Ancestry.com also. I found Willard M Whitney b. 1851 in the 1870 census in Edinburgh, Saratoga, son of Zenas Whitney and Dolly Jane Snow. I assume that is my Willard Moore Whitney, father of the children baptized and husband to Louisa Bartlett. I have not been able to find this Willard and Louisa in later census'. I then went to Ancestry.com and the World Family Tree, and found the following: Willard Moore Whitney b. 1851, son of Zenas Whitney b. 2 Sep 1815 and Dolly Jane Snow, son of Zenas Whitney and Lydia Knight, son of Samuel Whitney and Phebe Harrington, son of Samuel Whitney and Elizabeth Hastings, son of Nathaniel Whitney, and Mercy Robinson, son of Samuel Whitney and Sarah Hagar, son of John Whitney and Ruth Reynolds, son of John Whitney (first in America from England) and Judith Clement, son of Thomas Whitney, and Mary Bray, son of Robert Whitney and Elizabeth Cromwell, son of Robert Whitney and Sybil Baskerville, son of Robert Whitney and Margaret Wye, son of James Whitney and Blanche Milbourne, son of Robert Whitney and Alice Vaughn, son of Eustace Whitney and Jennet Russell, son of Robert Whitney and Joan Oldcastle Wenillian, son of Robert Whitney and Mary Cromwell, son of Robert Whitney and unknown, son of Eustace Whitney and Isabel Croft, son of Eustace Whitney and Unknown, son of Robert Whitney and Unknown, son of Eustace Whitney and Ann Talbot, son of Thurstin The De Whitney and Agnes De Merlberge, son of Rolf De Whitney and Unknown, son of Robert De Whitney and unknown, son of Eustace DeWhitney and Unknown, son of Turstin De Wigmore and Agnes De Merlberge, son of Rolf Wy Flandrensis b. 1024 and Alured De Merleberge. Here is what James sent to me which is a little different and stops with the first Whitney to come to America: Here is how I would call this line starting with: Willard Moore Whitney, Jr.-born 1882 N.Y. Willard Moore Whitney-born 1851 N.Y. Zenas Harrington Whitney-born 12 Jan., 1812-N.Y. Moses Whitney-born 1767 Ma. Pierce#1843(see WRG Extracts) Samuel Whitney-born 1739 Ma. Samuel Whitney-born 1711 Ma. Nathaniel Whitney-born 1674 Ma. Nathaniel Whitney-born 1645 Ma. John Whitney-born 1621 England-Dies Watertown,Ma. John Whitney-born 1592 England -First immigrant-Dies Watertown,Ma. Thank you in advance for your responses Joyce [email protected]

Allan, Thank you for the kind words. What people should understand is that when someone is helped, everyone gains. I have a lot of fun and learn more about our confusing Maine familiy. Family members are connected, and the WRG gets more archivable family information to share with visitors to the site who are searching for their Whitney roots. Also, hopefully Whitney reseachers will be stimulated to use the military records that our country has so fastidiously preserved to learn more about their ancestors. Civil War pension files are just the begining of the wealth of information stored in our country's military records. The tremendous improvements to the National Archives over the past few years, combined with other military records becoming more accessible via the Internet, make reseaching these records much less cumbersome. Take it from one who has been there when things were less accessible. Now, if Lori just wins the lottery, her Christmas will be complete! Merry Christmas ! to all. Ken Whitney ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 1:00 AM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] David C. Whitney, Lincoln, Maine Dear WRG: We HAVE to add Ken's name to the list of those WRG members who have been recognized for many, many contributions to assist other members. He is clearly our "resident expert" in the field of veterans records and is also an endless source of help for Maine material. Allan E. Green

Dear WRG: We HAVE to add Ken's name to the list of those WRG members who have been recognized for many, many contributions to assist other members. He is clearly our "resident expert" in the field of veterans records and is also an endless source of help for Maine material. Allan E. Green

Hello Lori, I would like to begin by making a recommendation. I think you should run out and buy a lottery ticket. Your luck is on such a roll, only one ticket will be necessary. While I was waiting for the National Archives to pull the David C. Whitney pension file, I ran over to the D.A.R. Library. I checked out their records for Bowdoinham and Lincoln, Maine. No luck in either place. So, I decided to look over their Maine collection to see if there were any additions that I had not reviewed. I found a volume of vital records for Knox, Waldo Co., Maine. I opened the index, and there were David and Mercy Whitney. Talk about serendipity!! The intention to marry of Mr. David Whitney and Miss Mercy Reed, both of Knox, was recorded 24 February 1826. So, we now know that David C. Whitney's parents both lived in Knox, ME before they were married. At that time, Knox was in Hancock County. Waldo Co. would be split off the next year. The following is an abstract of the material in the pension file of David C. Whitney. You really hit the jackpot. There is much more information than one would expect from an invalid's file. One word of explanation. When you get to the information supplied on the death certificate by David's son Walter, you must remember that information supplied about the past by relatives or friends of the deceased is in many cases inaccurate. In this case, he has the name of his grandmother wrong. However, it may tell us of the close relationship the family had with the Springer family, since Abigail Springer was Walter's great-grandmother. From the Civil War Pension File of David C. Whitney Private, Co. I, 6th Maine Infantry Corporal, Co. C, 1st Maine Veteran Infantry Invalid application # 74897, Certificate #54374 Other #C2577838 National Archives, Washington, D.C. All documents in the pension file refer to the soldier as David C. Whitney except one. This document clearly says David Cathcart Whitney. Also, all documents referring to his birth except one record Lincoln, Penobscot Co., Maine as his place of birth. One document records him born in Canada. In a certificate dated May 22, 1917, David C. Whitney certifies that he lives in Sabula, Jackson Co., Iowa, and has no copy of his family record. He certifies that he was born 23 February 1842 in Lincoln, Penobscot Co., Maine. His parents' names were David and Mercy Whitney. During the summers of 1850 and 1860 he made his home with them in Lincoln. At that time the following siblings lived there with him: Elmira K. Cathcart, Sylvina Wentworth, Simeon Whitney, Hanna Whitney, Caroline Whitney and Isaac Whitney. His mother had died in 1857, and the others named were living in June of 1850 and 1860. In a certificate dated 15 January 1898, David certifies that his wife was Evelyn L. Whitney, and her maiden name was Mills. They were married by Rev. C.E. Springer in Lincoln, Maine on 23 September 1866.He has a marriage certificate, and it is recorded in Lincoln. He had no previous marriages. The following is a list of his children and their dates of birth: Lizzie M., b. 12 June 1867 Carrie, b. 6 December 1869 Maud E., b. 13 September 1871 Minnie A., b. 22 March 1874 Myra M., b. 28 April 1876 George P., b. 7 December 1877 David G., b. 19 June 1880 Walter W., b. 24 October 1882 Joe L., b. 9 January 1885 In another certificate dated 2 January 1915, the same children and dates of birth are listed. At that date Carrie, Maud, Minnie and Myra are all deceased. The rest are living, as is his wife Evelyn. David's wife Evelyn L. Whitney died 7 February 1918. David C. Whitney enrolled in Portland, Maine on 16 May 1861 as a private in Co. I, 6th Maine Regiment, and was mustered in on 15 July 1861 in Portland. He was discharged in the field on 23 December 1863. He immediately reenlisted in Co. C, 1st Maine Veteran Volunteers. He was 5 feet 7 inches tall, had a light complexion, blue eyes, brown hair, and was a laborer at the time of enlistment. After discharge on June 14, 1865 at Patrick Station, Virginia, he lived in Lincoln, Maine until 1869, and then in Sabula, Jackson Co., Iowa until he died. David was severely wounded in battle at Spotsylvania, Virginia on 10 May 1864. He suffered gunshot wounds to both hips and the left leg. He was disabled due to these wounds, which were the reasons for his pension being granted. He was taken prisoner of war on the date of his injury, and was treated in a hospital in Richmond, Virginia, and after exchange at a hospital in Washington, D.C. His death certificate shows that he died in Sabula, Iowa 8 December 1934 at 0430. He died from chronic bronchitis and myocarditis, illnesses which dated from 1933. He was buried in Evergreen Cemetery in Sabula on 11 December 1934. His son Walter was his executor, and gave the following information on the death certificate: Occupation: farming Date of birth: 23 Feb 1842 Place of birth: Maine, town unknown Father's name: David Whitney, birthplace unknown Mother's name: Merry Springer, birthplace unknown Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD

Yes, many of seem to feel the same. Spawned by a spectacular English lineage; Whitney is a great American legacy to be a part of. Successful business operators, Inventors, Scientists, Doctors, Lawyers, Politicians, Founders and builders of cities, Soldiers, Sailors Seamen and Generals, Civic and Religious Leaders; and the "common citizens" who are the weavers of the fabric that holds the communities of this country together. Most of the great accomplishments in this nation seem to have been touched by a Whitney of some degree. This is the wonderful legacy of the Whitney lineage; and all who have the blood of this great family, no matter how small the drop may be, have a reason to be proud of the name. My sincere appreciation to the members of the WRG for all they have done to aid my research. Happy Holidays (Christmas, Hanukah and New Years) to all. May God bless you; and may God bless America. Gerry Eberwein 2131 W Hogan St PO Box 605 Naco AZ 85620 [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Jo Hogle [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 8:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Whitney List/Website/contributors I read Allan's message to Robert about the incredible work he does for this list and the website and I can not agree more. But Allan, you contribute so much as well. There is nothing better than to read a question one of the two of you has raised, and the other add an opinion, all based on sources and data. I always feel like I am eavesdropping and thrilled to be doing so. We all learn so much from both of you. Recently I have been cleaning out files, trying to organize my paperwork. In doing so I have found things that I need to research further and I find the Whitney website to be absolutely invaluable. It never ceases to amaze me the mass of information and help we can get from that site, and from all who have contributed. Thank you to what IS the best mailing list on the Internet. Makes me very proud to have even watered down Whitney blood in my veins. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all! Jo Hogle

Hi Melissa I was looking through the Whitney Research Group archives trying to find some information. I stumbled on your message from back in 2001 regarding this couple and their daughter Clarissa. I happened to see their marriage in the Connecticut VRs Index and the birth of Clarissa as well. You probably have that information, but since there was nothing more posted to the mailing list, I thought I would let you know - just in case you never thought to check CT. Jo Hogle Sending to the whitney list as well, just in case your email changed.

I read Allan's message to Robert about the incredible work he does for this list and the website and I can not agree more. But Allan, you contribute so much as well. There is nothing better than to read a question one of the two of you has raised, and the other add an opinion, all based on sources and data. I always feel like I am eavesdropping and thrilled to be doing so. We all learn so much from both of you. Recently I have been cleaning out files, trying to organize my paperwork. In doing so I have found things that I need to research further and I find the Whitney website to be absolutely invaluable. It never ceases to amaze me the mass of information and help we can get from that site, and from all who have contributed. Thank you to what IS the best mailing list on the Internet. Makes me very proud to have even watered down Whitney blood in my veins. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all! Jo Hogle

An obituary for Violet May "Vi" Whitney Grainger, age 99, was published in the Daily Inter Lake, Kalispell, Montana on December 12, 2005. Violet May Grainger was born 14 November 1906 in Rugby, North Dakota, to Charles and Hattie May (McConnell) Whitney. She was educated in Brockton and Poplar, Montana. She married Roy E Grainger in 1924. They moved to Kalispell in 1946. He died in 1982. She died Saturday, 10 December 2005, survived by a daughter and seven grandchildren and 16 great-grandchildren. Mike Poston Rockville, Maryland

Does anyone know from researching, why exactly the first John Whitney (b 1589) immigrated to America ? My husband asked, then I got to wondering myself. It doesn't look as if he had an unbearable life in England.....so I had to ask. Thanks, Lori Callaway

I think it is a safe guess that here is a Whitney that didn't marry the sharpest tool in the shed. The nice thing about people like her is it makes the rest of us feel so much better about ourselves. Speaking of folks who you would also think of as not overly bright a couple of months back I was at a fund raiser and was there as the Asst Chief of my fire dept., so dress uniform which includes a name plate. One of the people performing was Larry the Cable Guy. At the end was a reception/BS session and Larry came looking for me because he had seen my name. Turns out Larry's real name is Dan Whitney. So there's now a picture of the two of us up in the fire station labeled "The Whitney Boys". But I would like to point out that Dan is MUCH smarter than Larry. In keeping with that story I guess I'll sign off with, Git'r Done Michael Whitney ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:07 PM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] The insulting e-mail about Whitney website Dear WRG and others interested: I have been asked several times about the reason I sent the e-mail I did to the lists. I quote below a message I got from a person on the yahoo.com domain. It was sent through "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" I will not pass along the exact e-mail address because I think that violates Internet protocol (although the insult was seemingly directed to a maillist rather than to me as an individual). ****************************************************************************** *********** >Oh, No! I finally found a site about the Whitney family & it seems to >have been perverted by a pervert- ahhh! :( >Well, anyways, I'm here now & if anyone else is still interested in >doing some actual research... I'll be back! >My husband is the Whitney & I would love to discover, for him, that we >are related to Eli Whitney! I will wait to share my family line until I >know y'all better! > >A fellow Whitney ****************************************************************************** *** To those who wrote to me, clearly this didn't come from you unless you are running multiple e-mail addresses. I don't want to prolong this any further. If more comes along from this person, I'll ignore it or reply only to that person. Happy Hunting to all Whitney Researchers! Allan E. Green

Lori, I just found out how David C. Whitney fits into the Whitney family. Go to the WRG web site and click on Extracts, which fall under the category Archives. The extracts are filed by author. Scroll down until you find Pierce, F. C. & click on his work, the Descendants of John Whitney of Watertown. Click on page 401-405. On page 405 you will find David C. Whitney. Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: Lori Callaway To: Ken and Carol Whitney Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] David Whitney, Sabula IA, Ken, Thank you !!! You have explained a lot for me, with very little to work with. I am in no rush , so don't risk the wrath of the honey-do-list woman ! Unfortunately, there is no one left alive to ask in from the Savanna group of relatives. There are only us kids left, and I am the only one that was ever interested in the genealogy and I thank God daily that I paid attention whenever mom talked to me about the family things. I remember seeing a photo of David Whitney in his uniform, but where it went to, I have no clue. When my mother died, my siblings behaved horribly and essentially ransacked her home and took things in a most unbecoming manner, and behaved in the same unbecoming manner. I lived in a city 45 miles away and when I showed up, there were fireworks and I called a spade a spade, and they were shocked that the baby of the family (age 26 at that time) told them what I saw...in them and their actions. The rest is for a private email only. I have more questions now that I have ya !! Who was the most senior David's parents....the b. 1803 David parents ? In a later census, 1860 I believe, that Caroline is working as a 'domestic' for her sister Almira and David Cathcart's family. Caroline later married James Cathcart.....but my questioning is, did Almira and David Cathcart inherit or take over the family farm at the death of 1803 David ? If so, do you know the story ? I was intrigued instantly when I read that last night. And also a bit angered; that was a crappy thing to do if it happened the way I think it happened. Sylvina.......she married a Charles B Dow, and moved to Oxford County, Franklin Plantation township, if memory serves. I do not find either them except in one passing entry and it wasn't even a complete census ! Do you have a family web site ? I appreciate your help Ken. I was getting headaches and such searching and wondering.....I would write it down and look it, and recheck all the census' again...looking for my mistake to see if I had transcribed it wrong. I gotta run for now, the family would like my undivided attentio for a bit !! ROFL...rotten kids, interupting my researching, expecting to eat 3 times a day and be loved and all that stuff ! : ) You've been great Ken ! I will be writing more later, and probably have more questions for you......oh yeah, I am not finding any death info for the 1803 David and his wife Mercy 1801. That's the only way I can keep the David's and Mercy's straight...by adding their birth year to their name ! Happy Holidays & a great big thank you ! Lori ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken and Carol Whitney To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] David Whitney, Sabula IA, Hello Lori, I cannot be of help at this time for your Peterson connection, but I may be able to be of some help with the Whitney ancestry. I would like to re-state some of your information, so that some who are not familiar with this family can follow more easily. First, the David Whitney found in the 1880 enumeration for Sabula, Iowa who was born in 1880 was not born in Maine. He was born in Iowa. Following is that family as enumerated in 1880: Sabula, Jackson Co., Iowa Whitney, David C., 38 Lumber Yard Worker, b. Canada, parents B. Maine Evaline L., 36, keeping house, b. Maine, parents b. Maine Lizzie M., 13, dau., b. Maine, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine Carrie H. , 10, dau., b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine Maude E., 8, dau., b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine Minnie A., 6, dau., b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine Mira M., 4, dau., b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine George P., 2, son, b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine David, son, 1/12, b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maime Comment: This is the only census in which David C. is said to be born in Canada. All others say he was b. Maine. 1870 Census, Union, Jackson Co., Iowa Whitney, David C., 28, Farm laborer, b. Maine Evelyn, 26, Keeping house, b. Maine Elizabeth, 3, b. Maine Carrie, 6/12, b. Iowa Comment: David is now b. Maine 1860 Census, Lincoln, Penobscot Co., Maine Whitney, David, 58, Farmer, b. Maine Mercy, 50, b. Maine David, 18, b. Maine Charles, 7, b. Maine 1850 Census, Lincoln, Penobscot Co., Maine Whitney, David, 47, farmer, b. Maine Mercy, 49, b. Maine Cathcart, Almira, 24, b. Maine Cathcart, David, 26, laborer, b. Maryland Whitney, Sylvina, 22, b. Maine Isaac, 20, b. Maine Simon, 18, b. Maine Hannah, 13, b. Maine Caroline,10, b. Maine David C., 8, b. Maine Margaret, 5, b. Maine Cathcart, Susan M. , 3/12, b. Maine Comment: Almira and David Cathcart's last name is not quite clear in the record, but Susan M.'s last is more clear, and is Cathcart, not Catheart. Note the age discrepancy for Mercy between 1850 and 1860. An error somewhere. So, what does all this mean? I would operate under the assumption that David Whitney, Sr, b. ca 1802, married Mercy Cathcart until proven otherwise. Could be wrong, but a beginning. How did David C. become born in Canada all of a sudden, after being born in Maine all those years? It is possible that he was born in Canada. It was not uncommon for people living in northern Maine to cross the border fairly often. On the other hand, it could be a census taker's error. No matter where he was born, he was of a Maine family. The Lincoln, Maine Marriages have the marriages of both David C. and his sister Sylvina. More research into the Lincoln records is called for. The problem is, where in Maine were they born? Lincoln, or somewhere else prior to moving to Lincoln? The town was formed in 1829, so David, Sr. came there from somewhere else. Digging into the Lincoln records may be required. As to the DAR, the WRG web site has archived all of the Whitney mentions in the DAR lineage books. However, a name is needed. Perhaps the Savannah relatives can help with that. Where do we go from here? Well, today is your lucky day. There is a David C. Whitney in the index of Civil War pensioners. He fought in outfits from Maine. He may be your soldier. Or, maybe not. If he is, the pension file may have genealogical information in it. But, since it is an invalid's application, it may not have genealogical info. You never know what you will find in these files until you open them. It was filed in 1865, just before David C. married Evaline. However, the index doesn't say from where it was filed. You get more lucky. I am off from work on Monday and Tuesday of this week. If I can stay out of the sights of the lady with the honey-do list, and can avoid the dreaded Christmas shopping, I will commute to the National Archives and review the pension file for you. Suggestions from other WRG members may provide other avenues of exploration. Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Callaway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:26 AM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] David Whitney, Sabula IA, >I am having research issues with some of my Whitney's. First, yes, I have >more than one group of Whitney's in my family tree. > > I have a David Whitney (b. Jun 1880 Maine) who lived in Sabula Iowa. His > parents, according to census were David C Whitney (b 1842 Canada) and > Evaline Mills Whitney. > > The 1880 David married Mary Petersen/or Peterson* about 1913, and I have > found they had 2 children, Viola and Hazel. I can find them in one more > census, then nothing.....but show David later marrying a woman in Dubuque > Iowa, and having children with her, but no mention of the first 2 girls. > Anywhere or Mary his wife from 1913. > > First problem is obivous, I cannot find death records or anything that > would point to Mary and the girls dying. I don't think David was a > bigamist, but one can never be sure about things ! Does anyone have a > lead on this branch of the family to help fill in blanks and questions ? > > Second problem, the census records would point to the 1842 David's parents > as being David Charles Whitney b. 1803 and Mercy Springer Whitney b.1801, > but I am not sure, and cannot find verification of this anywhere. The > repeated names of especially the girls in the family would point to this, > but once again, I have no proof. I have searched the Whitneygen.org for > proof until I am about blind and my carpal tunnel is killing me ! I am > talking WEEKS and MONTHS of searching these questions ! > > Third, IF David Charles Whitney-1801 and Mercy Springer ARE the correct > parents for the David b-1842, and both parents were born in Maine, and all > the other children I have found were born in Maine....then how did he come > to be born in Canada ? The only child born in Canada ? Were they on > vacation when he was born ? See what I mean about confused ? In a > later census, I saw that a possible sister Caroline from the same family > was listed as being born in Canada, but only just the one reference...and > not ever again. > > Four, I was told by my mother back in the 1980's, God rest her soul, that > I could apply for membership to the DAR via the Whitney line, but she > never told me through who or how, but one of our Savanna, IL relatives > already belonged. Any one know of this specific Whitney line and how it > would be the correct persons? > > On Ancestry.com, the 1850 census has the David-1803 and Mercy family > listed, but only the original. There are 3 names that I cannot decipher. > One looks like it is GEAR born about 1830...but I KNOW that isn't correct. > One name looks like it is HARMCH born about 1837, or if you squint, it > could be HAMISH....but not quite. Last one is the doosey.....with a > possible dob of 1845, the name looks like ABERGENT, and I KNOW that isn't > it. I tried all different search name possibilities thru Ancestry and > the Whitneygen.org sites to no avail. Does anyone have a clear > transcribed listing for this family in Lincoln, Penobscot, Maine ? Or be > willing to take a look at an email that I could send to them from > Ancestry.com ? As I said, I have researched until I am about blind, > literally !! > > One last mystery......same 1850 census for Lincoln, Penobscot, Maine. It > looks as if there was a daughter that married......Almira age 24, so dob > would be about 1826...and her husbands first name is quite clear, David, > (shocked I know) and a child Susan M., but the last names REALLY looks > like CATHEART, but all other places it shows CARTHEART....including later > census'. Maybe I have just been doing too much census reading, but I had > my family look and they agree with what I see. Anyone have leads on > Almira and David CARTHEART or CATHEART ? > > *Petersen/Peterson note........This is also my family. Head of family was > Sören Petersen from Denmark, lived in Sabula Iowa. A couple of the sons > changed the spelling to PETERSON....and until this year, neither side ever > realized we were related...and only 1 mile of distance between us ! Sad > ! But any reference to Mary Petersen, could be also spelled Peterson as > well. > > > Thank you, > Lori Callaway > [email protected] > > >

Dear WRG and others interested: I have been asked several times about the reason I sent the e-mail I did to the lists. I quote below a message I got from a person on the yahoo.com domain. It was sent through "[email protected]" I will not pass along the exact e-mail address because I think that violates Internet protocol (although the insult was seemingly directed to a maillist rather than to me as an individual). ****************************************************************************** *********** >Oh, No! I finally found a site about the Whitney family & it seems to >have been perverted by a pervert- ahhh!  :( >Well, anyways, I'm here now & if anyone else is still interested in >doing some actual research... I'll be back! >My husband is the Whitney & I would love to discover, for him, that we >are related to Eli Whitney! I will wait to share my family line until I >know y'all better! > >A fellow Whitney ****************************************************************************** *** To those who wrote to me, clearly this didn't come from you unless you are running multiple e-mail addresses. I don't want to prolong this any further. If more comes along from this person, I'll ignore it or reply only to that person. Happy Hunting to all Whitney Researchers! Allan E. Green

Hello Lori, I cannot be of help at this time for your Peterson connection, but I may be able to be of some help with the Whitney ancestry. I would like to re-state some of your information, so that some who are not familiar with this family can follow more easily. First, the David Whitney found in the 1880 enumeration for Sabula, Iowa who was born in 1880 was not born in Maine. He was born in Iowa. Following is that family as enumerated in 1880: Sabula, Jackson Co., Iowa Whitney, David C., 38 Lumber Yard Worker, b. Canada, parents B. Maine Evaline L., 36, keeping house, b. Maine, parents b. Maine Lizzie M., 13, dau., b. Maine, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine Carrie H. , 10, dau., b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine Maude E., 8, dau., b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine Minnie A., 6, dau., b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine Mira M., 4, dau., b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine George P., 2, son, b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maine David, son, 1/12, b. Iowa, Father b. Canada, mother b. Maime Comment: This is the only census in which David C. is said to be born in Canada. All others say he was b. Maine. 1870 Census, Union, Jackson Co., Iowa Whitney, David C., 28, Farm laborer, b. Maine Evelyn, 26, Keeping house, b. Maine Elizabeth, 3, b. Maine Carrie, 6/12, b. Iowa Comment: David is now b. Maine 1860 Census, Lincoln, Penobscot Co., Maine Whitney, David, 58, Farmer, b. Maine Mercy, 50, b. Maine David, 18, b. Maine Charles, 7, b. Maine 1850 Census, Lincoln, Penobscot Co., Maine Whitney, David, 47, farmer, b. Maine Mercy, 49, b. Maine Cathcart, Almira, 24, b. Maine Cathcart, David, 26, laborer, b. Maryland Whitney, Sylvina, 22, b. Maine Isaac, 20, b. Maine Simon, 18, b. Maine Hannah, 13, b. Maine Caroline,10, b. Maine David C., 8, b. Maine Margaret, 5, b. Maine Cathcart, Susan M. , 3/12, b. Maine Comment: Almira and David Cathcart's last name is not quite clear in the record, but Susan M.'s last is more clear, and is Cathcart, not Catheart. Note the age discrepancy for Mercy between 1850 and 1860. An error somewhere. So, what does all this mean? I would operate under the assumption that David Whitney, Sr, b. ca 1802, married Mercy Cathcart until proven otherwise. Could be wrong, but a beginning. How did David C. become born in Canada all of a sudden, after being born in Maine all those years? It is possible that he was born in Canada. It was not uncommon for people living in northern Maine to cross the border fairly often. On the other hand, it could be a census taker's error. No matter where he was born, he was of a Maine family. The Lincoln, Maine Marriages have the marriages of both David C. and his sister Sylvina. More research into the Lincoln records is called for. The problem is, where in Maine were they born? Lincoln, or somewhere else prior to moving to Lincoln? The town was formed in 1829, so David, Sr. came there from somewhere else. Digging into the Lincoln records may be required. As to the DAR, the WRG web site has archived all of the Whitney mentions in the DAR lineage books. However, a name is needed. Perhaps the Savannah relatives can help with that. Where do we go from here? Well, today is your lucky day. There is a David C. Whitney in the index of Civil War pensioners. He fought in outfits from Maine. He may be your soldier. Or, maybe not. If he is, the pension file may have genealogical information in it. But, since it is an invalid's application, it may not have genealogical info. You never know what you will find in these files until you open them. It was filed in 1865, just before David C. married Evaline. However, the index doesn't say from where it was filed. You get more lucky. I am off from work on Monday and Tuesday of this week. If I can stay out of the sights of the lady with the honey-do list, and can avoid the dreaded Christmas shopping, I will commute to the National Archives and review the pension file for you. Suggestions from other WRG members may provide other avenues of exploration. Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lori Callaway" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2005 3:26 AM Subject: [WHITNEY-L] David Whitney, Sabula IA, >I am having research issues with some of my Whitney's. First, yes, I have >more than one group of Whitney's in my family tree. > > I have a David Whitney (b. Jun 1880 Maine) who lived in Sabula Iowa. His > parents, according to census were David C Whitney (b 1842 Canada) and > Evaline Mills Whitney. > > The 1880 David married Mary Petersen/or Peterson* about 1913, and I have > found they had 2 children, Viola and Hazel. I can find them in one more > census, then nothing.....but show David later marrying a woman in Dubuque > Iowa, and having children with her, but no mention of the first 2 girls. > Anywhere or Mary his wife from 1913. > > First problem is obivous, I cannot find death records or anything that > would point to Mary and the girls dying. I don't think David was a > bigamist, but one can never be sure about things ! Does anyone have a > lead on this branch of the family to help fill in blanks and questions ? > > Second problem, the census records would point to the 1842 David's parents > as being David Charles Whitney b. 1803 and Mercy Springer Whitney b.1801, > but I am not sure, and cannot find verification of this anywhere. The > repeated names of especially the girls in the family would point to this, > but once again, I have no proof. I have searched the Whitneygen.org for > proof until I am about blind and my carpal tunnel is killing me ! I am > talking WEEKS and MONTHS of searching these questions ! > > Third, IF David Charles Whitney-1801 and Mercy Springer ARE the correct > parents for the David b-1842, and both parents were born in Maine, and all > the other children I have found were born in Maine....then how did he come > to be born in Canada ? The only child born in Canada ? Were they on > vacation when he was born ? See what I mean about confused ? In a > later census, I saw that a possible sister Caroline from the same family > was listed as being born in Canada, but only just the one reference...and > not ever again. > > Four, I was told by my mother back in the 1980's, God rest her soul, that > I could apply for membership to the DAR via the Whitney line, but she > never told me through who or how, but one of our Savanna, IL relatives > already belonged. Any one know of this specific Whitney line and how it > would be the correct persons? > > On Ancestry.com, the 1850 census has the David-1803 and Mercy family > listed, but only the original. There are 3 names that I cannot decipher. > One looks like it is GEAR born about 1830...but I KNOW that isn't correct. > One name looks like it is HARMCH born about 1837, or if you squint, it > could be HAMISH....but not quite. Last one is the doosey.....with a > possible dob of 1845, the name looks like ABERGENT, and I KNOW that isn't > it. I tried all different search name possibilities thru Ancestry and > the Whitneygen.org sites to no avail. Does anyone have a clear > transcribed listing for this family in Lincoln, Penobscot, Maine ? Or be > willing to take a look at an email that I could send to them from > Ancestry.com ? As I said, I have researched until I am about blind, > literally !! > > One last mystery......same 1850 census for Lincoln, Penobscot, Maine. It > looks as if there was a daughter that married......Almira age 24, so dob > would be about 1826...and her husbands first name is quite clear, David, > (shocked I know) and a child Susan M., but the last names REALLY looks > like CATHEART, but all other places it shows CARTHEART....including later > census'. Maybe I have just been doing too much census reading, but I had > my family look and they agree with what I see. Anyone have leads on > Almira and David CARTHEART or CATHEART ? > > *Petersen/Peterson note........This is also my family. Head of family was > Sören Petersen from Denmark, lived in Sabula Iowa. A couple of the sons > changed the spelling to PETERSON....and until this year, neither side ever > realized we were related...and only 1 mile of distance between us ! Sad > ! But any reference to Mary Petersen, could be also spelled Peterson as > well. > > > Thank you, > Lori Callaway > [email protected] > > >