I've "rescued" an old autograph album which appears to have belonged to Nora WHITNEY of Triangle, New York. The album was a gift to her from her father for Christmas 1882. The album includes entries from both family and friends including the following: Autograph Book belonging to Nora WHITNEY "Presented to Nora by her Father" December 25, 1882 Addressed as "Teacher" in some entries 1880 census of Triangle, NY includes Nora WHITNEY age 9, born in NY to parents A. R. & Martha WHITNEY. A. R. is noted as age 33, born in NY, a Sawmill Worker whose parents were also born in NY, his wife Martha age 33, born in NY, son Irwin age 13, and daughter Nora age 9, both children born in NY. Family: * Uncle Abz & Aunt Frank, Strousburgh, Polk Co., NE * Ervie WHITNEY, Triangle, NY, 14 Jan 1883 "Brother" 1870 census of Triangle, NY includes Erwin WHITNEY age 4, living with parents Martha & Adelbert WHITNEY. Adelbert is age 23, a Farmer, born in NY, his wife Martha is age 23 as well, also born in NY. Erwin B. WHITNEY is later found living with his own family in the 1900 census of Barker, NY. Erwin is listed as age 33, b. July 1866, married 15 years, a School worker, his wife Buella M. age 36, b. Oct 1863, married 15 years with 3 children, all living, their children, Harold A. age 11, b. Sept 1888, Rose A. age 9, b. July 1890, and Dexter A. age 6, b. 1894. Also living with them is Erwin's Aunt, Francis A. WHITNEY, age 54, b. Nov 1844, a widow with 4 children. All were born in NY. * "Your Papa" * Nina WHITNEY, Triangle, NY 9 Jul 1890 * Alice C. SLATER, Sherburne, NY, 13 Aug 1885 "Cousin" 1880 census of Plymouth, NY includes Alice C. SLATER age 11, born NY the daughter of Perry B. & Elizebeth SLATER. Perry B. SLATER was age 50, born in MA, a Farmer with MA born parents, his wife Elizebeth age 40, born in NY to NY born parents. Living with the couple were 7 children, Olive age 19, Alice C. age 11, John age 8, Clara age 6, Joseph age 5, Margrate age 3, and Mary age 1. All the children were born in NY. * J. M. YOUNG, 1 Nov 1886 "Cousin" * Fiona OLMSTEAD, Triangle, NY, 17 Feb 1884 "Cousin" * Ida LEWIS, Lisle, NY, 31 Mar 1883 "Cousin" * M. E. LEWIS, Lisle, NY, 31 Mar 1883 1880 census of Lisle, NY includes the family of Alonzo D. & Mary E. LEWIS and their two daughters. Alonzo D. is age 39, born in CT, a Tinsmith whose parents were born in NY and CT, his wife Mary E. age 29, born in NY to NY born parents, daughter Ida V. age 10 and Ella M. age 2, both girls born in NY. * Willie SHIPMAN, Triangle, NY, 3 Jul 1890 "Cousin" 1880 census of Triangle, NY includes Willie SHIPMAN age 3, born in NY the son of Frank & Effie SHIPMAN. Frank is age 37, born in NY, a Wagon maker whose mother was born in CT, wife Effie is age 31, born in NY. * Lida SHIPMAN, Triangle, NY, 11 Oct 1886 * Burdett SHIPMAN 1880 census of Triangle, NY has the SHIPMAN Family living with William R.'s parents, Lawson & Julia A. SHIPMAN. Lawson SHIPMAN is age 60, b. in NY, a Farmer whose parents were also b. in NY, his wife Julia A. age 58, born in CT, son William R. age 33, b. in NY, also a Farmer, William's wife Nettie, age 30, born in NY and a daughter Lida SHIPMAN age 11, born in NY. 1900 census of Triangle, NY includes the family of William R. SHIPMAN with William R. age 52, b. June 1848, married 31 years to wife Nettie, age 50, b. Dec 1849, 2 children/2 living, son Burnett age 19, b. Dec 1880 is living with his parents at the time. William R. is listed as a Merchant and his son as a Clerk, all were born in NY to NY born parents. * Fay WHITNEY Friends: * M. M. MOLINBIE, Lisle, NY * H. W. SWELTANCE, Triangle, 30 Mar 1886 * Ida S. GRAY, Lisle, 30 Mar 1883 * Carrie EGGLESTON, Triangle, NY, 2 Jun 1890 * Minnie EGGLESTON, Triangle, NY, 1 Jun 1889 * Blanche SWEETLAND, Triangle, NY, 2 Jul 1890 * Maude GREENMAN, Triangle, NY, 2 Jul 1890 * Abe T. WOODRUFF, Port Arthur, Ont, 23 Oct 1886 * Grace BAKER, Triangle, NY, 3 Jul 1890 * Lottie EGGLESTON, Triangle, NY, 3 Jun 1890 * Lorie TAFT, 3 Jul 1890 * Florence C. EGGLESTON, Triangle, NY, 3 Jul 1890 * Jessie EGGLESTON, Triangle, NY 9 Jul 1890 * Bessie TAFT, Triangle, NY, 9 Jul 1890 * Alice GREENMAN, Triangle, NY, 9 Jul 1890 * Lula EGGLESTON, 9 Jul 1890 * Effie M. TRACY, Triangle, NY, 16 Aug 1891 * Fannie E. FLYN, Triangle, NY 7 Jul 1890 * E. L. GREENE, Chenango Forks, NY, 16 Oct 1886 * Gertie E. TRACY, Whitney's Point, NY, 17 Jul 1891 * Myrtie E. TIMMLIN * Viola SANFORD, 2 Mar 1884 * N. B. KINYON, Triangle, NY, 11 Oct 1886 * Mrs. KINYON * A. Maggie TERWILLIGER, Chenango Forks, NY, 1 Jun 1890 * Jennie KINYON, 11 Oct 1886 * Guy BAKER, Triangle, NY, 8 Jun 1890 * Ella SANFORD, Triangle, NY, 2 Mar 1884 * Carrie M. SAXTON, Triangle, NY, 2 Nov 1884 * Mary M. HALL, Triangle, NY, 12 Mar 1883 * Minnie DUFFY, 8 Jul 1890 * Bert TAFT * Jesse GOW * Toddie TAFT * Merton E. SWEETLAND * Alice E. HAYES, Triangle, NY, 9 Jul 1890 I am hoping to see the album returned to its rightful place with family. If you are a member of this family, or know someone who might be, please contact me. Thanks, Shelley

searching for information of marriage of john whitney and hermenda ?? surname of wife unknown around 1899 in lowell. mass. any info is wellcome.

I can't help with Hermenda's surname, but I did find a little bit of information: The family was enumerated on the 1900 U.S. Census in ED 87, Ward 6, Lowell, Middlesex Co., MA, p. 22 as follows: 27 Lilly Avenue Whitney John Head W M Apr 1868 32 M 1 England England England 1892 8 Weaver Hermenda Wife W F Jan 1876 24 M 1 0 0 Canada Canada Canada 1888 12 Sales Lady James Father W M Mar 1841 59 W England England England 1895 5 Florence Sister W F Oct 1882 18 S England England England 1895 5 Plush weaver I checked the U.K. 1881 census and found just one family that matched, residing at 42 Ellesmere St, Runcorn, Cheshire, England: Name Born Birthplace Relationship James Whitney abt 1841 Northwich, Cheshire, England Head Ann Whitney abt 1843 Winsford, Cheshire, England Wife John Whitney abt 1869 Runcorn, Cheshire, England Son William Whitney abt 1874 Runcorn, Cheshire, England Son So it appears that your John Whitney was born in April, 1868 in Runcorn, Cheshire, England, the son of James Whitney, born in March, 1841 in Northwich, Cheshire and Ann, born about 1843 in Winsford. Happy Searching! Tim -----Original Message----- From: colin whitney [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 1:34 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WHITNEY-L] marriage of john whitney searching for information of marriage of john whitney and hermenda ?? surname of wife unknown around 1899 in lowell. mass. any info is wellcome.

Searching for information bout marriage of Edna Whitney and John Perfors, born about 1890, living in New York (Queens village ? College point ?) They married between 1935 and 1950, John was a policeman. Any information is welcome, Dirk Perfors, from The Netherlands

Jan et al, I assumed that this Abner was the son of Jesse and Mary (Sawyer) Whitney, born in Saco, Maine 15 Dec 1799. If it is, his ancestry is: John1, Benjamin2, Nathaniel3, Nathan4, David5, Jesse6, Abner7. I could be wrong, but who else would it be? Ken Whitney Silver Spring, MD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Whitaker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Abner Whitney's Last Drink! > Dear Allan and WRG's, > I am curious about this Abner, as my line goes back to Abner b. Harvard MA > 1733/34, d North Falmouth, ME 1801. His line carried his name, first to > his eldest son Abner b. 1755 MA, d, ca 1810, NC; son William's son Abner > b. ca 1802 Standish, ME, d 1890 Baldwin, ME; son Amaziah's son Abner b. 2 > Feb 1801 in NY State..no death info. Abner's other married sons ( Uriel > and Samuel)did not have an Abner although they lived in Maine. Jan > Whitaker > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 3:18 PM > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Abner Whitney's Last Drink! > > >> Dear Larry and WRG: >> >> Could this possibly be the Abner Whitney, born 15 Dec 1799 in Saco, York, >> ME, >> and the age at death be wrong? The only other one I can find, even in >> the >> most recent Witney18 was born in 1801, somewhere over in New York. >> >> If there is another route to this man's birth and ancestry, could you >> identify it for me, please? OTOH, if this is just a stray piece of >> information that >> you have not connected, I certainly would not ask you to undertake to >> trace it >> so that I can just "fill in a blank." >> >> Merry Christmas to all of the WRG. >> >> Happy Hunting! >> >> Allan E. Green >> >

Dear Allan and WRG's, I am curious about this Abner, as my line goes back to Abner b. Harvard MA 1733/34, d North Falmouth, ME 1801. His line carried his name, first to his eldest son Abner b. 1755 MA, d, ca 1810, NC; son William's son Abner b. ca 1802 Standish, ME, d 1890 Baldwin, ME; son Amaziah's son Abner b. 2 Feb 1801 in NY State..no death info. Abner's other married sons ( Uriel and Samuel)did not have an Abner although they lived in Maine. Jan Whitaker ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2005 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Abner Whitney's Last Drink! > Dear Larry and WRG: > > Could this possibly be the Abner Whitney, born 15 Dec 1799 in Saco, York, > ME, > and the age at death be wrong? The only other one I can find, even in the > most recent Witney18 was born in 1801, somewhere over in New York. > > If there is another route to this man's birth and ancestry, could you > identify it for me, please? OTOH, if this is just a stray piece of > information that > you have not connected, I certainly would not ask you to undertake to > trace it > so that I can just "fill in a blank." > > Merry Christmas to all of the WRG. > > Happy Hunting! > > Allan E. Green >

Dear Larry and WRG: Could this possibly be the Abner Whitney, born 15 Dec 1799 in Saco, York, ME, and the age at death be wrong? The only other one I can find, even in the most recent Witney18 was born in 1801, somewhere over in New York. If there is another route to this man's birth and ancestry, could you identify it for me, please? OTOH, if this is just a stray piece of information that you have not connected, I certainly would not ask you to undertake to trace it so that I can just "fill in a blank." Merry Christmas to all of the WRG. Happy Hunting! Allan E. Green

love it, Larry! Shows we Whitneys are, and have been, just like everyone else, n'est pas? -------Original Message------- From: Larry Date: 12/23/05 05:46:29 To: [email protected] Subject: [WHITNEY-L] Abner Whitney's Last Drink! WRG, Who says Whitneys practice abstinence and are bereft from the evils of drink! An interesting tidbit from recent research: Death Record of Abner Whitney, Portland, Maine - Died July 14, 1855, age 62 years, White Male, Cause of Death - Choked with [sic/while/when] intoxicated. SOURCE: Portland Vital Records, Portland Public Library, Portland Room, Portland, Maine Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all, Larry Tracy Jr. Kennebunkport, Maine

WRG, Who says Whitneys practice abstinence and are bereft from the evils of drink! An interesting tidbit from recent research: Death Record of Abner Whitney, Portland, Maine - Died July 14, 1855, age 62 years, White Male, Cause of Death - Choked with [sic/while/when] intoxicated. SOURCE: Portland Vital Records, Portland Public Library, Portland Room, Portland, Maine Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to all, Larry Tracy Jr. Kennebunkport, Maine

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to everyone on the Digest! I just found a link in my tree to Nathaniel Whitney, that was in the Digest last week! [email protected] wrote: WHITNEY-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 181 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [WHITNEY-L] John Whitney Gedco ["Curt Whitney" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from WHITNEY-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:25:26 -0500 From: "Curt Whitney" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] John Whitney Gedcom (whitny18) Duplicated again Use : http://www.geocities.com/genedoc.geo/download.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "JON ASTON" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] John Whitney Gedcom (whitny18) > Hello Paul and all, > > The gremlins were at work and the web address was duplicated, please use > the following web page: > > http://www.geocities.com/genedoc.geo/download.htm > > Sorry > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected] > To: JON ASTON > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] John Whitney Gedcom (whitny18) > > > The web page will not come up. > > Paul of San Diego > Keep your fingers snappin' and your toes tappin'..........

Duplicated again Use : http://www.geocities.com/genedoc.geo/download.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "JON ASTON" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] John Whitney Gedcom (whitny18) > Hello Paul and all, > > The gremlins were at work and the web address was duplicated, please use > the following web page: > > http://www.geocities.com/genedoc.geo/download.htm<http://www.geocities.com/genedoc.geo/download.htm> > > Sorry > > Jon > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > To: JON ASTON<mailto:[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM > Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] John Whitney Gedcom (whitny18) > > > The web page will not come up. > > Paul of San Diego >

Hello Paul and all, The gremlins were at work and the web address was duplicated, please use the following web page: http://www.geocities.com/genedoc.geo/download.htm<http://www.geocities.com/genedoc.geo/download.htm> Sorry Jon ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> To: JON ASTON<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2005 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] John Whitney Gedcom (whitny18) The web page will not come up. Paul of San Diego

Hello All; I've been associated with the Whitney Research Group since 1995 and would like to have a young and eager member to assume the compilation of the John Whitney database. Please let me know if you're interested. I am finally ready to distribute Witney18, thanks to all the contributors it has 30,700 names. Thanks again to Barry Whitney we have an easier method of transferring our Whitney GEDCOMS. They will be located on an undisclosed web page that will be managed by Barry. The web address: http://www.geocities.com/genedoc.geo/download.htm<http://www.geocities.com/genedoc.geo/download.htm> As always I will ask that if you want to put the database on a web page, please remove the living from the database to protect their privacy. For those who want to put the GEDCOM on a website, I have provided a GEDCOM that has been purged of living persons that have a date of birth. That GEDCOM is named W18Priv.zip. The purged file is: (W18priv.zip) The complete file is: (witney18.zip). Please let me know if you have trouble using the web page. Note: The GEDCOM file is too large to fit on Barry's web page, Barry has provided a ZIP of the file: The following members have contributed since the last version: Beaupre, Rhonda - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Borrer, Roberta Jean - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Butler, Bob - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Curcio, Paula - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Dilloway, Penny - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Forman, Jerry - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Gary, Mike - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Grubb, Bill - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Gumm, Bessie - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Hatley, Norma - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Haycock, Ken - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Hogle, Jo - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Kyser, Ron R. - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Neff, Miles - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Peterson, S. M.- [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Schifani, Steve - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Shaw, Gary - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Tracy, Sandra - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Van Hengel, Jan Arie - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Walbrown, Kim - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Ward, Robert L. - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Waterman, V. S. - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Whitehead, William H. - [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Jon Aston

There are some things to take into consideration if "Mystery Joshua" belongs to William-4. First, his move to New Hampshire diverges from the otherwise relentless due-west march of this branch: Watertown, Groton, Killingly, Canaan, Claverack, Binghamton. Not that this would rule out one of them moving northeast, but it might be easier to accept if there were something to draw him up there, e.g., in-laws or neighbors. Thomas-5 begat his own Joshua in 1747, within a year of the birth of this fraternal candidate. I'm sure it wouldn't be the only time in colonial New England a man had a son and a brother born the same year with the same name, but is seems remarkable nonetheless. It's interesting that William-4 disappears from the record in 1753. A year later Thomas-5 first shows up in Claverack, New York with a group of squatters from his wife's hometown of Sheffield, Mass. (Though in different states, Canaan, Sheffield and Claverack are all within 10 or 15 miles of one another.) They spent the next dozen years warring with the patroon Robert Livingston, so I doubt William was among them. But what would draw him to New Hampshire? The New Hampshire Joshua and William asked to rename Saville "Wendell" in 1781. (Today it's Sunapee.) This was to honor one of the original proprietors of the colony, John Wendell. I assume he was English. However, there was a Dutch Wendell family in New York in the 18th century. Sung Bok Kim mentions Thomas Whitney several times in covering the Claverack squatters in his book "Landlord and Tenant in Colonial New York". Much of his material on this comes from the correspondence of Robert Livingston and Jacob Wendell, an ally and colleague. Thomas and his family were likely aware of Wendell and his relationship to Livingston. Livingston's men ended up killing Thomas in 1766. Even though Jacob Wendell would have no connection to John, I can imagine a brother or father of Thomas having problems with that name even after fifteen years. Cheers, Ron Kyser On Dec 17, 2005, at 3:50 PM, Robert L. Ward wrote: > > > More interesting is the William WHITNEY who was in Wendell with Joshua > in 1781. > He could be a brother or a father of Joshua. This is a less common > given name > in the WHITNEY family. I found a family which seems a likely spot to > place this > Joshua WHITNEY. He might be (this is a pure guess!) an unrecorded son > of > William-4 and Mary (WHITMORE) WHITNEY (William-3, Joshua-2, John-1), > of Killingly, > CT. That couple had just three recorded children: William-5 (1725), > Thomas-5 > (1728), and Abigail (1741). Pierce says that William-4 lived in > Canaan, CT, > after 1753. We don't know what happened to him after that. The son > William-5 > WHITNEY seems to be the one who married Archoucher DUTCHER in 1747 in > Salisbury, > CT, both being of Canaan. The last we know of him was birth of a > daughter in > 1766 in Salisbury. Either William-4 or William-5 could be the > resident of > Wendell in 1781 cited above, and Joshua could be an unrecorded son of > William-4. > > I suggest that the son John WHITNEY, above, may have been John Calvin > WHITNEY, > and later known as Calvin. He would be named after the famous John > CALVIN, > founder of the Presbyterian church. That would give you brothers > Calvin and > Haynes, for which you have been searching. > > These clues (they are nothing more) may lead to records which confirm > or refute > the statements made above. Good luck in your search! > > Regards, > > Robert > > Mr. Robert L. Ward > RLWard AT WhitneyGen DOT org > http://www.WhitneyGen.org/home.html

Marion and all, At 01:54 PM 12/17/05, Marion Martin wrote: >Several years--like 20!-- ago I corresponded with a gentleman >(Kenneth Jacobs) in Florida in search of my elusive Calvin. I am >going to quote from his letter because he has a Joshua in his line >that I have never quite been able to figure out where he came from. >Anyway, here it is: > >"My ancestor of the era you mention was Joshua (5) Whitney who >married Sarah Moore of Sudbury, Ma. He was a Conn. Lt. in the >Revolutionary War and at that time lived in Wendell, N.H. (later >called Sunapee.) All of their children except the last two were born >in Wendell. His second daughter, Ruth, was my next Whitney ancestor. >She married Enoch Eastman in 1799 and, of course, my lineage then >carries down in the Eastman line to my great grandmother who was Sarah Eastman. > >Joshua also had a son named Haynes, b. 7 Dec 1787 in Wendell, and he >was about 13 when the family moved to Bridgewater Corners, VT, a >little village west of Woodstock, which, in turn is a bit north of >Hartland' For a long time I was puzzled over the fact that Jonathan, >in Hartland, also had a son named Haynes, born a little after the >above Haynes. This troubled me for some time until I learned that >Sarah (Moore) Whitney's mother or grandmother was Mary Haynes of >Sudbury. I do not know what Haynes connection Jonathan's Family may >have had. (Marion's comment: It is doubtful that there ever was a >Haynes in Jonathan's family.) > >Joshua (above) died in 1816 in Bridgewater and many of his children >(as adults, of course) settled in Orleans Co., NY, specifically >Murray and Shelby townships. Whether or not Haynes was among them I >have not learned. But inasmuch as there seems to be controversy over >which family had a son Haynes, I have wondered if Joshua's Haynes >may have gone to Maine with Jonathan's Calvin. (Marion's comment: >Jonathan's Calvin was not the Calvin who went to Maine. That Calvin >ended up in Wisconsin.) I can assure you, however, that Joshua did >not have a son named Calvin. (Marion's comment: But Calvin in Maine >had a son named Joshua!!!)" > >Maybe this will help someone. Haynes is such an odd name that I >have often wondered if indeed I needed to pursue this lineage a >little closer. Can anyone identify THIS Joshua? This sounds like a great clue. I can't identify Joshua and Sarah (MOORE) WHITNEY above from my records. I did find Joshua WHITNEY in the 1790 Census of Wendell, Cheshire Co., NH, page 027, 01-04-04-00-00 (1 male 16+, 4 males 0-15, and 4 females). Apparently it was he who appears in Cheshire Co., NH, page 327, 20310-23101-00 (2 males 0-9, 3 males 16-25, 1 male 26-44, 2 females 0-9, 3 females 10-15, 1 female 16-25, and 1 female 45+). It seems to be him in Bridgwater, Addison Co., VT, in 1810, page 491. I also found him in Major General Carleton Edward Fisher and Sue Gray Fisher _Soldiers, Sailors, and Patriots of the Revolutionary War - Vermont_ (Camden, Maine: Picton Press, 19??): "WHITNEY, Joshua, NH; b c 1746; r Wendell, NH; Capt Emery's co 1776; d Bridgewater 1816; m Sarah; 15, 14:430; B-10, p 24." In the _Whitney Whistler_, vol. 1, no. 4, I find: "Joshua Whitney, born in 1746, died in Bridgewater, Vermont in 1816. He married Sally Haynes in 1777, who was born in 1759, and died in 1833. Before they moved to Vermont, they lived in Wendell (Sunapee), N. H." I don't think he was Joshua-5 WHITNEY [Joshua-4, William-3, Joshua-2, John-1], who seems to be the one who married in 1770 Anna ASHLEY and lived in Canaan, Litchfield Co., CT. That fellow appears in the 1790 Census in Litchfield Co., CT, so is not the one in Wendell in 1790. In the _Whitney Whistler_, vol. 4, no. 3, I find: "JOSHUA WHITNEY OF WENDELL, NEW HAMPSHIRE AND BRIDGEWATER, VERMONT Joshua Whitney went from Wendell, New Hampshire to Bridgewater, Vermont in 1800. He died there 1 Dee 1816, in his 70th year. He would have been born about 1746. He made his first land purchase in Wendell in 1778, according to the records there. His occupation was that of a cooper. He served one year and eight months in the Revolutionary War and reached the rank of Lieutenant...although there seems to be no service record found for him. His cousin Joshua of Henniker, New Hampshire also served as a Sergeant. In 1781 Joshua and William Whitney requested the town name be changed from Saville to Wendell. Later Wendell became Sunapee, which is the name by which it is now known. Joshua Whitney, born in 1746/7, married Sarah, possibly Haynes about 1776, their first child being born May 1779, in Bridgewater, Vermont. Children: Sally, born 5 May 1779 married Seth Brannock Ruth, born 20 Oct 1789 married Enoch Eastman, and died 1846 Elizabeth, born 26 August 1782 married Cyrus Carpenter[1] and James Kelly[2] John, born 20 Sept 1784 Icahabod, born 4 Dec 1785 Haynes, born 7 Dec 1787 (Possibly his mother s name) William, born 10 Sept 1789 married Betsey Rand 1808 Abigail, born 16 August 1791 married Eliphalet Angell 1828 Polly, born 27 August 1793 Hannah, born 26 Sept 1795 Mary Joshua (We note here that the first one could not have been born in Bridgewater, Vermont, as he did not move there until 1800. The last two children may have been born in Vermont) Editor. Joshua Whitney, son of the above, married 23 April 1820 Persis Moore at Bridgewater, Vermont." The "cousin" Joshua WHITNEY of Henniker, NH, was Joshua-5 WHITNEY [Eleazer-4, Eleazer-3, Thomas-2, John-1], who married Betty WOOD. I know nothing further of him. More interesting is the William WHITNEY who was in Wendell with Joshua in 1781. He could be a brother or a father of Joshua. This is a less common given name in the WHITNEY family. I found a family which seems a likely spot to place this Joshua WHITNEY. He might be (this is a pure guess!) an unrecorded son of William-4 and Mary (WHITMORE) WHITNEY (William-3, Joshua-2, John-1), of Killingly, CT. That couple had just three recorded children: William-5 (1725), Thomas-5 (1728), and Abigail (1741). Pierce says that William-4 lived in Canaan, CT, after 1753. We don't know what happened to him after that. The son William-5 WHITNEY seems to be the one who married Archoucher DUTCHER in 1747 in Salisbury, CT, both being of Canaan. The last we know of him was birth of a daughter in 1766 in Salisbury. Either William-4 or William-5 could be the resident of Wendell in 1781 cited above, and Joshua could be an unrecorded son of William-4. I suggest that the son John WHITNEY, above, may have been John Calvin WHITNEY, and later known as Calvin. He would be named after the famous John CALVIN, founder of the Presbyterian church. That would give you brothers Calvin and Haynes, for which you have been searching. These clues (they are nothing more) may lead to records which confirm or refute the statements made above. Good luck in your search! Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward RLWard AT WhitneyGen DOT org http://www.WhitneyGen.org/home.html

Several years--like 20!-- ago I corresponded with a gentleman (Kenneth Jacobs) in Florida in search of my elusive Calvin. I am going to quote from his letter because he has a Joshua in his line that I have never quite been able to figure out where he came from. Anyway, here it is: "My ancestor of the era you mention was Joshua (5) Whitney who married Sarah Moore of Sudbury, Ma. He was a Conn. Lt. in the Revolutionary War and at that time lived in Wendell, N.H. (later called Sunapee.) All of their children except the last two were born in Wendell. His second daughter, Ruth, was my next Whitney ancestor. She married Enoch Eastman in 1799 and, of course, my lineage then carries down in the Eastman line to my great grandmother who was Sarah Eastman. Joshua also had a son named Haynes, b. 7 Dec 1787 in Wendell, and he was about 13 when the family moved to Bridgewater Corners, VT, a little village west of Woodstock, which, in turn is a bit north of Hartland' For a long time I was puzzled over the fact that Jonathan, in Hartland, also had a son named Haynes, born a little after the above Haynes. This troubled me for some time until I learned that Sarah (Moore) Whitney's mother or grandmother was Mary Haynes of Sudbury. I do not know what Haynes connection Jonathan's Family may have had. (Marion's comment: It is doubtful that there ever was a Haynes in Jonathan's family.) Joshua (above) died in 1816 in Bridgewater and many of his children (as adults, of course) settled in Orleans Co., NY, specifically Murray and Shelby townships. Whether or not Haynes was among them I have not learned. But inasmuch as there seems to be controversy over which family had a son Haynes, I have wondered if Joshua's Haynes may have gone to Maine with Jonathan's Calvin. (Marion's comment: Jonathan's Calvin was not the Calvin who went to Maine. That Calvin ended up in Wisconsin.) I can assure you, however, that Joshua did not have a son named Calvin. (Marion's comment: But Calvin in Maine had a son named Joshua!!!)" Maybe this will help someone. Haynes is such an odd name that I have often wondered if indeed I needed to pursue this lineage a little closer. Can anyone identify THIS Joshua? Marion Whitney Martin

Hello Robert, Thanks for the update on this continuing problem. I guess no headway has been made with proof of this relationship. Ken Whitney ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert L. Ward" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [WHITNEY-L] Phoebe Day > Ken and all, > > At 08:14 AM 12/16/05, Ken and Carol Whitney wrote: >> It is interesting to me that you bring up Joshua Whitney and Phoebe >> Day. I was wondering about that just the other day. I note that in Robert >> Ward's six-generation John and Eleanor database, he mentions that Joshua >> of Medfield could be the one who married Phoebe Day, since he did marry a >> Phoebe. I wondered to myself just how many Joshua Whitneys there were in >> those days who could be a candidate to have married Phoebe. Also, How >> many Joshuas back then did actually marry a Phoebe. Maybe those in the >> group with expertise in Massachusetts can help enlighten us. > > There were several Joshua WHITNEY individuals alive and old enough to > marry Phebe > DAY, daughter of Joseph and Patience (HILTON) DAY, in 1736/7, in Wells, > ME: > 1. Joshua-3 WHITNEY [Joshua-2, John-1] (1665-1753); m.(1) c1690, > Mary ----- > (c1666-1751); m.(2) 1751, Sarah (-----)(WARREN) FELLOWS (c1668-1759). > Res. > Groton, MA, and Plainfield, CT. > 2. Joshua-3 WHITNEY [Benjamin-2, John-1] (1687-1771); m. 1709, Hannah > ROCKETT > (1691-1772). Res. Medfield, Mendon, Uxbridge, Woodstock (CT), Palmer, > and > Ware, MA. > 3. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [Richard-3, Richard-2, John-1] (c1708-1787); m.(1) ca > 1730, > Zerviah ----- (c1712-a1749); m.(2) 1762, Azubah (BURT) FARNSWORTH > (1711-); > m.(3) 1764, Rebecca (WINSHIP) WHITNEY (1717-1769); m.(4) after 1769, > Mary > ----- (c1692/98-1787). Res. Stow and Boxborough, MA. > 4. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [Joshua-3, Benjamin-2, John-1] (1712-b1765); m. > before Feb > 1738/9, Phebe ----- (s1714-a1756). Res. Uxbridge and Medway, MA. > 5. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [William-3, Joshua-2, John-1] (1714-b1744); m. before > 1737, > Anna BLODGETT (1714-a1745). Res. Tolland and Preston, CT. > 6. Joshua-5 WHITNEY [Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1] > (1714-1786); m. > 1740, Mehitable WILSON (1719-1785). Res. Spencer and Stockbridge, MA. > 7. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [David-3, Joshua-2, John-1] (1718-1761); m. 1743, Amy > BLODGETT > (1724-1819). Res. Plainfield, Canaan, and Norfolk, CT. > These are all that I can find in my records. None of them have a close > connection > to Maine. > > As you can see, #1, 2, 3, and 5 all had other wives living with them in > 1737. #6 > and 7 could have had a brief marriage to Phebe DAY, if she died soon, so > that they > could marry again to their known wives, but there is no evidence to > support that > theory. Furthermore, only one of them, #4, married a Phebe. Their > marriage record > has not been found, and her maiden name is unknown. > > The above process of elimination leads me to think that it was #4 who > married Phebe > DAY in Wells, ME. Certainly the chronology is perfect. > > Furthermore, #4 had a first cousin Nathaniel-4 WHITNEY, Jr., who married > Phebe's > sister Hannah DAY in 1734 in Wells, ME. #4 could have met Phebe while > visiting his > uncle Nathaniel-3 WHITNEY, Sr., in Wells, as that cousin's sister-in-law. > > Furthermore, #4 and his wife named their first son Joshua (after himself > and his > father) and their second son Joseph (Phebe DAY's father's given name), so > there is > also onomastic support for this identification. > > Unfortunately, while this makes a decent circumstantial case, we have no > proof! > > It seems possible that the settlement of the estate of Joseph DAY or other > members > of the DAY family might establish the connection between his daughter > Phebe DAY's > husband Joshua WHITNEY and the rest of the WHITNEY family of New England. > We have > found nothing in the estate of Joshua-4 WHITNEY (#4) to connect him to > Maine or the > DAY family. See > <http://www.whitneygen.org/archives/extracts/holman.html>. > We do not know what became of his widow Phebe after her fourth marriage to > Henry > HUCKER/HOOKER (her other husbands were Caleb PARTRIDGE and Joseph ANKERS). > > I hope this clarifies the situation. > > Regards, > > Robert > > Mr. Robert L. Ward > RLWard AT WhitneyGen DOT org > http://www.WhitneyGen.org/home.html

Ken and all, At 08:14 AM 12/16/05, Ken and Carol Whitney wrote: > It is interesting to me that you bring up Joshua Whitney and > Phoebe Day. I was wondering about that just the other day. I note > that in Robert Ward's six-generation John and Eleanor database, he > mentions that Joshua of Medfield could be the one who married > Phoebe Day, since he did marry a Phoebe. I wondered to myself just > how many Joshua Whitneys there were in those days who could be a > candidate to have married Phoebe. Also, How many Joshuas back then > did actually marry a Phoebe. Maybe those in the group with > expertise in Massachusetts can help enlighten us. There were several Joshua WHITNEY individuals alive and old enough to marry Phebe DAY, daughter of Joseph and Patience (HILTON) DAY, in 1736/7, in Wells, ME: 1. Joshua-3 WHITNEY [Joshua-2, John-1] (1665-1753); m.(1) c1690, Mary ----- (c1666-1751); m.(2) 1751, Sarah (-----)(WARREN) FELLOWS (c1668-1759). Res. Groton, MA, and Plainfield, CT. 2. Joshua-3 WHITNEY [Benjamin-2, John-1] (1687-1771); m. 1709, Hannah ROCKETT (1691-1772). Res. Medfield, Mendon, Uxbridge, Woodstock (CT), Palmer, and Ware, MA. 3. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [Richard-3, Richard-2, John-1] (c1708-1787); m.(1) ca 1730, Zerviah ----- (c1712-a1749); m.(2) 1762, Azubah (BURT) FARNSWORTH (1711-); m.(3) 1764, Rebecca (WINSHIP) WHITNEY (1717-1769); m.(4) after 1769, Mary ----- (c1692/98-1787). Res. Stow and Boxborough, MA. 4. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [Joshua-3, Benjamin-2, John-1] (1712-b1765); m. before Feb 1738/9, Phebe ----- (s1714-a1756). Res. Uxbridge and Medway, MA. 5. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [William-3, Joshua-2, John-1] (1714-b1744); m. before 1737, Anna BLODGETT (1714-a1745). Res. Tolland and Preston, CT. 6. Joshua-5 WHITNEY [Nathaniel-4, Nathaniel-3, John-2, John-1] (1714-1786); m. 1740, Mehitable WILSON (1719-1785). Res. Spencer and Stockbridge, MA. 7. Joshua-4 WHITNEY [David-3, Joshua-2, John-1] (1718-1761); m. 1743, Amy BLODGETT (1724-1819). Res. Plainfield, Canaan, and Norfolk, CT. These are all that I can find in my records. None of them have a close connection to Maine. As you can see, #1, 2, 3, and 5 all had other wives living with them in 1737. #6 and 7 could have had a brief marriage to Phebe DAY, if she died soon, so that they could marry again to their known wives, but there is no evidence to support that theory. Furthermore, only one of them, #4, married a Phebe. Their marriage record has not been found, and her maiden name is unknown. The above process of elimination leads me to think that it was #4 who married Phebe DAY in Wells, ME. Certainly the chronology is perfect. Furthermore, #4 had a first cousin Nathaniel-4 WHITNEY, Jr., who married Phebe's sister Hannah DAY in 1734 in Wells, ME. #4 could have met Phebe while visiting his uncle Nathaniel-3 WHITNEY, Sr., in Wells, as that cousin's sister-in-law. Furthermore, #4 and his wife named their first son Joshua (after himself and his father) and their second son Joseph (Phebe DAY's father's given name), so there is also onomastic support for this identification. Unfortunately, while this makes a decent circumstantial case, we have no proof! It seems possible that the settlement of the estate of Joseph DAY or other members of the DAY family might establish the connection between his daughter Phebe DAY's husband Joshua WHITNEY and the rest of the WHITNEY family of New England. We have found nothing in the estate of Joshua-4 WHITNEY (#4) to connect him to Maine or the DAY family. See <http://www.whitneygen.org/archives/extracts/holman.html>. We do not know what became of his widow Phebe after her fourth marriage to Henry HUCKER/HOOKER (her other husbands were Caleb PARTRIDGE and Joseph ANKERS). I hope this clarifies the situation. Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward RLWard AT WhitneyGen DOT org http://www.WhitneyGen.org/home.html

Janet and all, At 05:57 AM 12/16/05, Janet wrote: >Has anyone found anything showing that Joshua Whitney, born abt 1712 in >Medfield, MA was married to Phoebe Day? I know his wife was Phoebe. This matter was discussed in 2002. See <http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/W/WHITNEY+2002+11112171183+F>, <http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/W/WHITNEY+2002+11122173237+F>, <http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/W/WHITNEY+2002+11132176205+F>. There is no proof (yet!), but there is circumstantial evidence to support this identification. >Also, who is the Nathaniel Whitney that Hannah Whitney (born 1745 in >Uxbridge, MA) married? My guess is that he belonged to one of the Maine families, but, again, I have no proof. If so, that would strengthen the case for her mother being from a Maine family. Regards, Robert Mr. Robert L. Ward RLWard AT WhitneyGen DOT org http://www.WhitneyGen.org/home.html

I sent this yesterday 12/14 to the list, but haven't seen it posted yet, and 12/15 messages are already being posted, so I thought I would forward it again to be posted to the list. Thank you _____ From: Joyce [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 10:07 AM To: '[email protected]' Subject: Whitneys of Saratoga, NY Hello list, It has been suggested that I send the below information to the list to see what you have to say about the following lineages: Two kind people have helped me in my search for Willard Moore Whitney b.23 Sep 1882 in NY. They would be Lois who found baptizimal list, and James, both of this list. The link below takes you to the Athens Refiormed Church baptismal list. It has Willard Moore Whitney being baptized and he is again listed with his wife Louisa Bartlett and their 3 children being baptized in 1887. The children are Laura Dolly Bertus Whitney b.13 Dec 1880, Willard Bartlett Whitney b. 23 Sep 1882, and Lillie Moore Whitney b.15 Oct 1884. I believe Willard and Lillie's middle names were transposed when the names were listed. Willard lists his middle name as Moore on his WWI draft registration card which has the EXACT same date of Willard Bartlett in the baptismal name listing in the Athens Reformed Church. <http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2/athens_reformed_baptisms.htm> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nygreen2/athens_reformed_baptisms.htm The WWI draft registration card is on Ancestry.com also. I found Willard M Whitney b. 1851 in the 1870 census in Edinburgh, Saratoga, son of Zenas Whitney and Dolly Jane Snow. I assume that is my Willard Moore Whitney, father of the children baptized and husband to Louisa Bartlett. I have not been able to find this Willard and Louisa in later census'. I then went to Ancestry.com and the World Family Tree, and found the following: Willard Moore Whitney b. 1851, son of Zenas Whitney b. 2 Sep 1815 and Dolly Jane Snow, son of Zenas Whitney and Lydia Knight, son of Samuel Whitney and Phebe Harrington, son of Samuel Whitney and Elizabeth Hastings, son of Nathaniel Whitney, and Mercy Robinson, son of Samuel Whitney and Sarah Hagar, son of John Whitney and Ruth Reynolds, son of John Whitney (first in America from England) and Judith Clement, son of Thomas Whitney, and Mary Bray, son of Robert Whitney and Elizabeth Cromwell, son of Robert Whitney and Sybil Baskerville, son of Robert Whitney and Margaret Wye, son of James Whitney and Blanche Milbourne, son of Robert Whitney and Alice Vaughn, son of Eustace Whitney and Jennet Russell, son of Robert Whitney and Joan Oldcastle Wenillian, son of Robert Whitney and Mary Cromwell, son of Robert Whitney and unknown, son of Eustace Whitney and Isabel Croft, son of Eustace Whitney and Unknown, son of Robert Whitney and Unknown, son of Eustace Whitney and Ann Talbot, son of Thurstin The De Whitney and Agnes De Merlberge, son of Rolf De Whitney and Unknown, son of Robert De Whitney and unknown, son of Eustace DeWhitney and Unknown, son of Turstin De Wigmore and Agnes De Merlberge, son of Rolf Wy Flandrensis b. 1024 and Alured De Merleberge. Here is what James sent to me which is a little different and stops with the first Whitney to come to America: Here is how I would call this line starting with: Willard Moore Whitney, Jr.-born 1882 N.Y. Willard Moore Whitney-born 1851 N.Y. Zenas Harrington Whitney-born 12 Jan., 1812-N.Y. Moses Whitney-born 1767 Ma. Pierce#1843(see WRG Extracts) Samuel Whitney-born 1739 Ma. Samuel Whitney-born 1711 Ma. Nathaniel Whitney-born 1674 Ma. Nathaniel Whitney-born 1645 Ma. John Whitney-born 1621 England-Dies Watertown,Ma. John Whitney-born 1592 England -First immigrant-Dies Watertown,Ma. Thank you in advance for your responses Joyce [email protected]