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    1. [WHITE-DNA] Research advice from White DNA Project Manager
    2. Marleen Van Horne
    3. Hello All, & Happy Holidays, This mail list was started so that the subscribers to the White Surname DNA Project at FTDNA would have an open forum to ask their questions and get help from all of us who are researching our White ancestry.  I manage both this list and the White DNA Project, and descend from Samuel and Lucinda White who lived in Lincoln County, Tennessee from 1808 to 1859. It has always been my hope that this list would develop an ongoing conversation that would be useful to all the list members.  It looks as if that might be happening.  Mail lists only work when the list members keep the conversation going. As manager of both the DNA project and the mail list, I am happy to help you in any way  can.  Please post questions that are of a general nature to the mail list, and private questions to me personally at msvnhrn@jps.net. In May, the European Union General Data Protection Regulation, GDPR, went into effect.  This law has seriously affected the way we now research our ancestors.  It applies to all information, world wide that applies to European citizens.  If you should publish private information that applies to a European citizen you could be held liable, but you cannot be charged unless you are physically in the European Union.  I mention this not to be a scare monger, but to explain why we all should be circumspect in what we publish on the list. It is prudent not to publish a living person's name and kit number together on the list.  If necessary to combine the two pieces of information to resolve an issue please do it in private communication off the list. GENERAL RESEARCH ADVICE Tests to take: Men---First, a 67 marker yDNA test.  Tests with more markers, y111, BIG y, and y500, are in my opinion usually not necessary in most circumstances.  None of the other tests are meaningful until you have established a man's biological surname.  Matches in tests of less that 67 markers are useless to unreliable.  Matches of 12 and 25 marker tests indicate a common ancestor who lived as many as 40,000 years ago.  37 marker yDNA tests are not as stable as 67 marker tests, 37 marker matches can disappear with 67 marker tests.              Second, a Family Finder / atDNA test.  This test will tell you more than you want to know about a man's female ancestors, but it is only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry / biological surname, within the five most recent generations.   I always recommend these to tests for men be taken together or in steps as soon as your pocket book allows.  It is entirely possible for a man to have a biological surname that does not appear in his atDNA test matches. Women---The Family Finder / atDNA test is really the only option for women, (mtDNA, see below).  For both men and women, in spite of its paternal short comings, covers atDNA inherited from all of your ancestors, since the origins of anatomically modern humans, and probably before.  I am 2.8% Neanderthal. Both men and women---I only recommend the Full Mitochondrial Sequence, and only if you have money to burn.  mtDNA is passed from a mother to all of her children.  It dead ends in the sons and is only passed on by daughters to all their children, sons and daughters.  Since most white Americans are of European origin, most men fall into the R haplogroup, yDNA, and women and men into the mtDNA H haplogroup.  Only do this test if you are rich and curious. That said, when I first tested, mtDNA was the only test available to women, so I did it.  It turns out I have a very rare haplogroup, V3c.  This appears in less than 4% of the European population, and almost nowhere else in the World.  A recent test has shown my mtDNA is 68% Saami, who today live mostly above the Arctic Circle in Scandinavia.  I have no known Saami ancestors. If you do this test, you might get lucky, too. That's enough for now, enjoy your holiday, Marleen VanHorne White-DNA List Manager FTDNA White Surnname DNA Project Admin

    12/23/2018 12:17:22
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: Research advice from White DNA Project Manager
    2. Robin L Poindexter
    3. Marleen, When you made this comment below: "Second, a Family Finder / atDNA test. This test will tell you more than you want to know about a man's female ancestors, but it is only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry / biological surname, within the five most recent generations. I always recommend these to tests for men be taken together or in steps as soon as your pocket book allows. It is entirely possible for a man to have a biological surname that does not appear in his atDNA test matches" I assume you were referring to autosomal testing. Is this correct? If so, your comment about it being "only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry" is incorrect. Did I misunderstand you? Robin -----Original Message----- From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 1:17 PM To: White-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Research advice from White DNA Project Manager Hello All, & Happy Holidays, This mail list was started so that the subscribers to the White Surname DNA Project at FTDNA would have an open forum to ask their questions and get help from all of us who are researching our White ancestry. I manage both this list and the White DNA Project, and descend from Samuel and Lucinda White who lived in Lincoln County, Tennessee from 1808 to 1859. It has always been my hope that this list would develop an ongoing conversation that would be useful to all the list members. It looks as if that might be happening. Mail lists only work when the list members keep the conversation going. As manager of both the DNA project and the mail list, I am happy to help you in any way can. Please post questions that are of a general nature to the mail list, and private questions to me personally at msvnhrn@jps.net. In May, the European Union General Data Protection Regulation, GDPR, went into effect. This law has seriously affected the way we now research our ancestors. It applies to all information, world wide that applies to European citizens. If you should publish private information that applies to a European citizen you could be held liable, but you cannot be charged unless you are physically in the European Union. I mention this not to be a scare monger, but to explain why we all should be circumspect in what we publish on the list. It is prudent not to publish a living person's name and kit number together on the list. If necessary to combine the two pieces of information to resolve an issue please do it in private communication off the list. GENERAL RESEARCH ADVICE Tests to take: Men---First, a 67 marker yDNA test. Tests with more markers, y111, BIG y, and y500, are in my opinion usually not necessary in most circumstances. None of the other tests are meaningful until you have established a man's biological surname. Matches in tests of less that 67 markers are useless to unreliable. Matches of 12 and 25 marker tests indicate a common ancestor who lived as many as 40,000 years ago. 37 marker yDNA tests are not as stable as 67 marker tests, 37 marker matches can disappear with 67 marker tests. Second, a Family Finder / atDNA test. This test will tell you more than you want to know about a man's female ancestors, but it is only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry / biological surname, within the five most recent generations. I always recommend these to tests for men be taken together or in steps as soon as your pocket book allows. It is entirely possible for a man to have a biological surname that does not appear in his atDNA test matches. Women---The Family Finder / atDNA test is really the only option for women, (mtDNA, see below). For both men and women, in spite of its paternal short comings, covers atDNA inherited from all of your ancestors, since the origins of anatomically modern humans, and probably before. I am 2.8% Neanderthal. Both men and women---I only recommend the Full Mitochondrial Sequence, and only if you have money to burn. mtDNA is passed from a mother to all of her children. It dead ends in the sons and is only passed on by daughters to all their children, sons and daughters. Since most white Americans are of European origin, most men fall into the R haplogroup, yDNA, and women and men into the mtDNA H haplogroup. Only do this test if you are rich and curious. That said, when I first tested, mtDNA was the only test available to women, so I did it. It turns out I have a very rare haplogroup, V3c. This appears in less than 4% of the European population, and almost nowhere else in the World. A recent test has shown my mtDNA is 68% Saami, who today live mostly above the Arctic Circle in Scandinavia. I have no known Saami ancestors. If you do this test, you might get lucky, too. That's enough for now, enjoy your holiday, Marleen VanHorne White-DNA List Manager FTDNA White Surnname DNA Project Admin _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/white-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    12/23/2018 02:04:36