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    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47
    2. barbara white
    3. Thank you for simplifying how the autosomal test works. Can you elaborate on how your familyfinder page should be set up so that FTDNA can identify inter-family marriages? Thank you again for all of your efforts! Barbara On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:23 PM <white-dna-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Send WHITE-DNA mailing list submissions to white-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > white-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WHITE-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. possible Sabra White connection (John) > 2. Analyzing Matches at FTDNA FAMILY FINDER (Marleen Van Horne) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 11:11:19 -0600 > From: John <John@Hoagfamily.net> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] possible Sabra White connection > To: <white-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <7929d298-7d14-e6de-ec14-8c5fcfd560f6@Hoagfamily.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed > > Ellen > > do you think it would be help full for me to have a Ancestry and/or > 23andme DNA test done, if so which would you suggest? > John > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Previously > John, > I am replying for my husband, John White, I really can't help you in > answering your question, but, I found your letter of interest to me. > > I have tested my husband John White, in Ancestry, 23andMe, and Family > Tree, because I am trying to find his WHITE ancestors. > > In the results, Family Tree DNA, his closest matches , 111, are HOGG, > Hoag, and White surname is "way" down the list.in the "12" > connections. I too have wondered about this. Either an "OOOps" on > parentage, an adoption, or a name change. I guess. > > Sabra White does not come up on his matches. > I have found that Ancestry and 23andme give the % of chromosomes shared. > > Thanks, > Ellen White > > On 12/23/2018 9:46 AM, white-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > I am trying to find out how to determine through use of the DNA if I > can be related to Sabra White b 4/4/1810 NY d before 1880 married Daniel > Hawley Hoag 7/20/1828 he b 10/17/1805 NY and d 9/19/1868. Does anyone know > how I would be able to determine if this is possible or the percent > possibility of such. > > > > > > Thanks every so much for any and ALL help > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 13:21:17 -0800 > From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Analyzing Matches at FTDNA FAMILY FINDER > To: White-DNA@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <6e6d907f-a78e-157f-c1cc-404296e7460d@jps.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > FAMILY FINDER is FTDNA's autosomal DNA test. > > This test looks at a yours 23 chromosomes and finds other people who > share matching segment with you. > > atDNA is measured in Centimorgans cM. This is not exactly a measure of > length, but if you think of it as a a measure of length, such as a > centmeter or an inch, the matches might be easier to understand. FTDNA > reports your match information in two columns: Shared Centimorgans and > Longest Block. These two numbers are the basis of Family Finder match > analysis. > > Every human being has approximately 7,200 cM of autosomal DNA that has > been inherited from all your ancestors, since the beginning of the > species. atDNA is spread out over your 23 chromosomes. Each chromosome > has a different amount, starting with Ch 1, which is the longest and > ending with Ch 23, the shortest. Every one has only atDNA on Ch1-22. > The x chromosome, or Chromosome 23, has two strands of atDNA if you are > a woman and 1 strand of x atDNA and 1 strand of yDNA if you are a man. > Consequently women have fractionally more atDNA than men. > > You inherit half of your atDNA from your father, and half from your > mother. Your inherited paternal and maternal atDNA, usually do not > intermingle, unless your family has a history of cousins marrying one > another. If your Family Finder page is correctly set up, FTDNA can > identify inter-family marriages. > > So you now have 7,200 cM of atDNA , half, 3,600 cM from each parent. > Each generation back in time you go, the amount of atDNA you inherited > from each ancestor in that generation is decreased by 50 %. > > Generation 5 GGG- Grandparents 225 cM 3.125% from each ggg-grandparent > Generation 4 GG-Grandparents 450 cM 6.25% from each gg-grandparent > Generation 3 G-Grandpatents 900 cM 12.5% from each g-grandparent > Generation 2 Grandparents 1,800 cM 25% from each grandparent > Generation 1 Parents 3,600 cM 50% from each parent > Generation 0 You 7,200 cM > > So, of your 7,200 cM of atDNA, only about 225 cM was inherited from a > ggg-grandparent. This applies to both men and women. However, when you > are looking for an unknown paternal ancestor, and have no idea of what > the paternal biological surname is, there is no way to single out the > paternal line surname, unless you get a match with a large number of > Shared Centimorgans, in generations 1-5. > > Having received your test results, look at the first person in your > match list. The matches are sorted from highest to lowest. If you have > matches of over 100 Shared Centimorgans, work with those people first. > Look for names you know from your research, try to identify the common > ancestor. It helps if your match has posted a family tree, or at least > a list of surnames If they have posted a tree, there will be a little > blue tree under your match's name. > > OK, I will stop here. The next step, the Chromosome Browser. Let me > know when you are ready. > > Marleen Van Horne > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47 > **************************************** >

    12/26/2018 07:35:44
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Analyzing Matches at FTDNA FAMILY FINDER
    2. Marleen Van Horne
    3. FAMILY FINDER is FTDNA's autosomal DNA test. This test looks at a yours 23 chromosomes and finds other people who share matching segment with you. atDNA is measured in Centimorgans cM.  This is not exactly a measure of length, but if you think of it as a a measure of length, such as a centmeter or an inch, the matches might be easier to understand.  FTDNA reports your match information in two columns:  Shared Centimorgans and Longest Block.  These two numbers are the basis of Family Finder match analysis. Every human being has approximately 7,200  cM of autosomal DNA that has been inherited from all your ancestors, since the beginning of the species.  atDNA is spread out over your 23 chromosomes.  Each chromosome has a different amount, starting with Ch 1, which is the longest and ending with Ch 23, the shortest.  Every one has only atDNA on Ch1-22.  The x chromosome, or Chromosome 23, has two strands of atDNA if you are a woman and 1 strand of x atDNA and 1 strand of yDNA if you are a man. Consequently women have fractionally more atDNA than men. You inherit half of your atDNA from your father, and half from your mother.  Your inherited paternal and maternal atDNA, usually do not intermingle, unless your family has a history of cousins marrying one another.  If your Family Finder page is correctly set up, FTDNA can identify inter-family marriages. So you now have 7,200 cM of atDNA , half, 3,600 cM from each parent. Each generation back in time you go, the amount of atDNA you inherited from each ancestor in that generation is decreased by 50 %. Generation 5 GGG- Grandparents 225 cM 3.125% from each ggg-grandparent Generation 4 GG-Grandparents 450 cM 6.25% from each gg-grandparent Generation 3 G-Grandpatents 900 cM 12.5% from each g-grandparent Generation 2 Grandparents 1,800 cM 25% from each grandparent Generation 1 Parents 3,600 cM 50% from each parent Generation 0 You  7,200 cM So, of your 7,200 cM of atDNA, only about 225 cM was inherited from a ggg-grandparent.  This applies to both men and women. However, when you are looking for an unknown paternal ancestor, and have no idea of what the paternal biological surname is, there is no way to single out the paternal line surname, unless you get a match with a large number of Shared Centimorgans, in generations 1-5. Having received your test results, look at the first person in your match list.  The matches are sorted from highest to lowest. If you have matches of over 100 Shared Centimorgans, work with those people first.  Look for names you know from your research, try to identify the common ancestor.  It helps if your match has posted a family tree, or at least a list of surnames If they have posted a tree, there will be a little blue tree under your match's name. OK, I will stop here.  The next step, the Chromosome Browser. Let me know when you are ready. Marleen Van Horne

    12/26/2018 02:21:17
    1. [WHITE-DNA] possible Sabra White connection
    2. John
    3. Ellen do you think it would be help full for me to have a Ancestry and/or 23andme DNA test done, if so which would you suggest? John --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Previously John, I am replying for my husband, John White, I really can't help you in answering your question, but, I found your letter of interest to me. I have tested my husband John White, in Ancestry, 23andMe, and Family Tree, because I am trying to find his WHITE ancestors. In the results, Family Tree DNA, his closest matches , 111, are HOGG, Hoag, and White surname is "way" down the list.in the "12" connections. I too have wondered about this. Either an "OOOps" on parentage, an adoption, or a name change. I guess. Sabra White does not come up on his matches. I have found that Ancestry and 23andme give the % of chromosomes shared. Thanks, Ellen White On 12/23/2018 9:46 AM, white-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I am trying to find out how to determine through use of the DNA if I can be related to Sabra White b 4/4/1810 NY d before 1880 married Daniel Hawley Hoag 7/20/1828 he b 10/17/1805 NY and d 9/19/1868. Does anyone know how I would be able to determine if this is possible or the percent possibility of such. > > > Thanks every so much for any and ALL help

    12/26/2018 10:11:19
    1. [WHITE-DNA] mtDNA of mine Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 45
    2. Beverly Santos
    3. Thanks for the info. My haplogroup is x2b not sure where I go with this group? It is also my brick wall. Peggy Lintor b 1754 Va d. 1850 Wilson, Tn I’ve been unable to trace her parents anywhere. That line is not my White line though. My White line comes from Jeremiah White and Mary Martin but I can’t find them on my tree now, somehow half my ancestry tree got erased and I’m going to have to research it all again! Ugh a hefty task. It may have been through my Melton line because that seems to be missing the most people. But thanks for the info. Beverly Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 23, 2018, at 1:04 PM, white-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Send WHITE-DNA mailing list submissions to white-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > white-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WHITE-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Research advice from White DNA Project Manager (Marleen Van Horne) > 2. Re: Research advice from White DNA Project Manager > (Robin L Poindexter) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 11:17:22 -0800 > From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Research advice from White DNA Project Manager > To: White-DNA@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <d70e7ede-eb09-c44e-9285-56d2e1c77754@jps.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Hello All, & Happy Holidays, > > This mail list was started so that the subscribers to the White Surname > DNA Project at FTDNA would have an open forum to ask their questions and > get help from all of us who are researching our White ancestry. I > manage both this list and the White DNA Project, and descend from Samuel > and Lucinda White who lived in Lincoln County, Tennessee from 1808 to 1859. > > It has always been my hope that this list would develop an ongoing > conversation that would be useful to all the list members. It looks as > if that might be happening. Mail lists only work when the list members > keep the conversation going. As manager of both the DNA project and the > mail list, I am happy to help you in any way can. Please post > questions that are of a general nature to the mail list, and private > questions to me personally at msvnhrn@jps.net. > > In May, the European Union General Data Protection Regulation, GDPR, > went into effect. This law has seriously affected the way we now > research our ancestors. It applies to all information, world wide that > applies to European citizens. If you should publish private information > that applies to a European citizen you could be held liable, but you > cannot be charged unless you are physically in the European Union. I > mention this not to be a scare monger, but to explain why we all should > be circumspect in what we publish on the list. > > It is prudent not to publish a living person's name and kit number > together on the list. If necessary to combine the two pieces of > information to resolve an issue please do it in private communication > off the list. > > GENERAL RESEARCH ADVICE > > Tests to take: > > Men---First, a 67 marker yDNA test. Tests with more markers, y111, BIG > y, and y500, are in my opinion usually not necessary in most > circumstances. None of the other tests are meaningful until you have > established a man's biological surname. Matches in tests of less that > 67 markers are useless to unreliable. Matches of 12 and 25 marker tests > indicate a common ancestor who lived as many as 40,000 years ago. 37 > marker yDNA tests are not as stable as 67 marker tests, 37 marker > matches can disappear with 67 marker tests. > Second, a Family Finder / atDNA test. This test will tell > you more than you want to know about a man's female ancestors, but it is > only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry / biological surname, > within the five most recent generations. I always recommend these to > tests for men be taken together or in steps as soon as your pocket book > allows. It is entirely possible for a man to have a biological surname > that does not appear in his atDNA test matches. > > Women---The Family Finder / atDNA test is really the only option for > women, (mtDNA, see below). For both men and women, in spite of its > paternal short comings, covers atDNA inherited from all of your > ancestors, since the origins of anatomically modern humans, and probably > before. I am 2.8% Neanderthal. > > Both men and women---I only recommend the Full Mitochondrial Sequence, > and only if you have money to burn. mtDNA is passed from a mother to > all of her children. It dead ends in the sons and is only passed on by > daughters to all their children, sons and daughters. Since most white > Americans are of European origin, most men fall into the R haplogroup, > yDNA, and women and men into the mtDNA H haplogroup. Only do this test > if you are rich and curious. > That said, when I first tested, mtDNA was the only test available to > women, so I did it. It turns out I have a very rare haplogroup, V3c. > This appears in less than 4% of the European population, and almost > nowhere else in the World. A recent test has shown my mtDNA is 68% > Saami, who today live mostly above the Arctic Circle in Scandinavia. I > have no known Saami ancestors. If you do this test, you might get lucky, > too. > > That's enough for now, enjoy your holiday, > > Marleen VanHorne > White-DNA List Manager > FTDNA White Surnname DNA Project Admin > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2018 15:04:36 -0600 > From: "Robin L Poindexter" <poindexterrobin@att.net> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: Research advice from White DNA Project > Manager > To: <white-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001601d49b03$1d7fa9e0$587efda0$@att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Marleen, > > When you made this comment below: > "Second, a Family Finder / atDNA test. This test will tell you more than you want to know about a man's female ancestors, but it is only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry / biological surname, within the five most recent generations. I always recommend these to tests for men be taken together or in steps as soon as your pocket book allows. It is entirely possible for a man to have a biological surname that does not appear in his atDNA test matches" > > I assume you were referring to autosomal testing. Is this correct? > > If so, your comment about it being "only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry" is incorrect. Did I misunderstand you? > Robin > > -----Original Message----- > From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> > Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 1:17 PM > To: White-DNA@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Research advice from White DNA Project Manager > > Hello All, & Happy Holidays, > > This mail list was started so that the subscribers to the White Surname DNA Project at FTDNA would have an open forum to ask their questions and get help from all of us who are researching our White ancestry. I manage both this list and the White DNA Project, and descend from Samuel and Lucinda White who lived in Lincoln County, Tennessee from 1808 to 1859. > > It has always been my hope that this list would develop an ongoing conversation that would be useful to all the list members. It looks as if that might be happening. Mail lists only work when the list members keep the conversation going. As manager of both the DNA project and the mail list, I am happy to help you in any way can. Please post questions that are of a general nature to the mail list, and private questions to me personally at msvnhrn@jps.net. > > In May, the European Union General Data Protection Regulation, GDPR, went into effect. This law has seriously affected the way we now research our ancestors. It applies to all information, world wide that applies to European citizens. If you should publish private information that applies to a European citizen you could be held liable, but you cannot be charged unless you are physically in the European Union. I mention this not to be a scare monger, but to explain why we all should be circumspect in what we publish on the list. > > It is prudent not to publish a living person's name and kit number together on the list. If necessary to combine the two pieces of information to resolve an issue please do it in private communication off the list. > > GENERAL RESEARCH ADVICE > > Tests to take: > > Men---First, a 67 marker yDNA test. Tests with more markers, y111, BIG y, and y500, are in my opinion usually not necessary in most circumstances. None of the other tests are meaningful until you have established a man's biological surname. Matches in tests of less that > 67 markers are useless to unreliable. Matches of 12 and 25 marker tests indicate a common ancestor who lived as many as 40,000 years ago. 37 marker yDNA tests are not as stable as 67 marker tests, 37 marker matches can disappear with 67 marker tests. > Second, a Family Finder / atDNA test. This test will tell you more than you want to know about a man's female ancestors, but it is only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry / biological surname, within the five most recent generations. I always recommend these to tests for men be taken together or in steps as soon as your pocket book allows. It is entirely possible for a man to have a biological surname that does not appear in his atDNA test matches. > > Women---The Family Finder / atDNA test is really the only option for women, (mtDNA, see below). For both men and women, in spite of its paternal short comings, covers atDNA inherited from all of your ancestors, since the origins of anatomically modern humans, and probably before. I am 2.8% Neanderthal. > > Both men and women---I only recommend the Full Mitochondrial Sequence, and only if you have money to burn. mtDNA is passed from a mother to all of her children. It dead ends in the sons and is only passed on by daughters to all their children, sons and daughters. Since most white Americans are of European origin, most men fall into the R haplogroup, yDNA, and women and men into the mtDNA H haplogroup. Only do this test if you are rich and curious. > That said, when I first tested, mtDNA was the only test available to women, so I did it. It turns out I have a very rare haplogroup, V3c. This appears in less than 4% of the European population, and almost nowhere else in the World. A recent test has shown my mtDNA is 68% Saami, who today live mostly above the Arctic Circle in Scandinavia. I have no known Saami ancestors. If you do this test, you might get lucky, too. > > That's enough for now, enjoy your holiday, > > Marleen VanHorne > White-DNA List Manager > FTDNA White Surnname DNA Project Admin > > _______________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/white-dna@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > > > ------------------------------ > > End of WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 45 > ****************************************

    12/24/2018 02:39:55
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: Research advice from White DNA Project Manager
    2. Robin L Poindexter
    3. Marleen, When you made this comment below: "Second, a Family Finder / atDNA test. This test will tell you more than you want to know about a man's female ancestors, but it is only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry / biological surname, within the five most recent generations. I always recommend these to tests for men be taken together or in steps as soon as your pocket book allows. It is entirely possible for a man to have a biological surname that does not appear in his atDNA test matches" I assume you were referring to autosomal testing. Is this correct? If so, your comment about it being "only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry" is incorrect. Did I misunderstand you? Robin -----Original Message----- From: Marleen Van Horne <msvnhrn@jps.net> Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2018 1:17 PM To: White-DNA@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Research advice from White DNA Project Manager Hello All, & Happy Holidays, This mail list was started so that the subscribers to the White Surname DNA Project at FTDNA would have an open forum to ask their questions and get help from all of us who are researching our White ancestry. I manage both this list and the White DNA Project, and descend from Samuel and Lucinda White who lived in Lincoln County, Tennessee from 1808 to 1859. It has always been my hope that this list would develop an ongoing conversation that would be useful to all the list members. It looks as if that might be happening. Mail lists only work when the list members keep the conversation going. As manager of both the DNA project and the mail list, I am happy to help you in any way can. Please post questions that are of a general nature to the mail list, and private questions to me personally at msvnhrn@jps.net. In May, the European Union General Data Protection Regulation, GDPR, went into effect. This law has seriously affected the way we now research our ancestors. It applies to all information, world wide that applies to European citizens. If you should publish private information that applies to a European citizen you could be held liable, but you cannot be charged unless you are physically in the European Union. I mention this not to be a scare monger, but to explain why we all should be circumspect in what we publish on the list. It is prudent not to publish a living person's name and kit number together on the list. If necessary to combine the two pieces of information to resolve an issue please do it in private communication off the list. GENERAL RESEARCH ADVICE Tests to take: Men---First, a 67 marker yDNA test. Tests with more markers, y111, BIG y, and y500, are in my opinion usually not necessary in most circumstances. None of the other tests are meaningful until you have established a man's biological surname. Matches in tests of less that 67 markers are useless to unreliable. Matches of 12 and 25 marker tests indicate a common ancestor who lived as many as 40,000 years ago. 37 marker yDNA tests are not as stable as 67 marker tests, 37 marker matches can disappear with 67 marker tests. Second, a Family Finder / atDNA test. This test will tell you more than you want to know about a man's female ancestors, but it is only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry / biological surname, within the five most recent generations. I always recommend these to tests for men be taken together or in steps as soon as your pocket book allows. It is entirely possible for a man to have a biological surname that does not appear in his atDNA test matches. Women---The Family Finder / atDNA test is really the only option for women, (mtDNA, see below). For both men and women, in spite of its paternal short comings, covers atDNA inherited from all of your ancestors, since the origins of anatomically modern humans, and probably before. I am 2.8% Neanderthal. Both men and women---I only recommend the Full Mitochondrial Sequence, and only if you have money to burn. mtDNA is passed from a mother to all of her children. It dead ends in the sons and is only passed on by daughters to all their children, sons and daughters. Since most white Americans are of European origin, most men fall into the R haplogroup, yDNA, and women and men into the mtDNA H haplogroup. Only do this test if you are rich and curious. That said, when I first tested, mtDNA was the only test available to women, so I did it. It turns out I have a very rare haplogroup, V3c. This appears in less than 4% of the European population, and almost nowhere else in the World. A recent test has shown my mtDNA is 68% Saami, who today live mostly above the Arctic Circle in Scandinavia. I have no known Saami ancestors. If you do this test, you might get lucky, too. That's enough for now, enjoy your holiday, Marleen VanHorne White-DNA List Manager FTDNA White Surnname DNA Project Admin _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/white-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    12/23/2018 02:04:36
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Research advice from White DNA Project Manager
    2. Marleen Van Horne
    3. Hello All, & Happy Holidays, This mail list was started so that the subscribers to the White Surname DNA Project at FTDNA would have an open forum to ask their questions and get help from all of us who are researching our White ancestry.  I manage both this list and the White DNA Project, and descend from Samuel and Lucinda White who lived in Lincoln County, Tennessee from 1808 to 1859. It has always been my hope that this list would develop an ongoing conversation that would be useful to all the list members.  It looks as if that might be happening.  Mail lists only work when the list members keep the conversation going. As manager of both the DNA project and the mail list, I am happy to help you in any way  can.  Please post questions that are of a general nature to the mail list, and private questions to me personally at msvnhrn@jps.net. In May, the European Union General Data Protection Regulation, GDPR, went into effect.  This law has seriously affected the way we now research our ancestors.  It applies to all information, world wide that applies to European citizens.  If you should publish private information that applies to a European citizen you could be held liable, but you cannot be charged unless you are physically in the European Union.  I mention this not to be a scare monger, but to explain why we all should be circumspect in what we publish on the list. It is prudent not to publish a living person's name and kit number together on the list.  If necessary to combine the two pieces of information to resolve an issue please do it in private communication off the list. GENERAL RESEARCH ADVICE Tests to take: Men---First, a 67 marker yDNA test.  Tests with more markers, y111, BIG y, and y500, are in my opinion usually not necessary in most circumstances.  None of the other tests are meaningful until you have established a man's biological surname.  Matches in tests of less that 67 markers are useless to unreliable.  Matches of 12 and 25 marker tests indicate a common ancestor who lived as many as 40,000 years ago.  37 marker yDNA tests are not as stable as 67 marker tests, 37 marker matches can disappear with 67 marker tests.              Second, a Family Finder / atDNA test.  This test will tell you more than you want to know about a man's female ancestors, but it is only reliable in identifying a man's male ancestry / biological surname, within the five most recent generations.   I always recommend these to tests for men be taken together or in steps as soon as your pocket book allows.  It is entirely possible for a man to have a biological surname that does not appear in his atDNA test matches. Women---The Family Finder / atDNA test is really the only option for women, (mtDNA, see below).  For both men and women, in spite of its paternal short comings, covers atDNA inherited from all of your ancestors, since the origins of anatomically modern humans, and probably before.  I am 2.8% Neanderthal. Both men and women---I only recommend the Full Mitochondrial Sequence, and only if you have money to burn.  mtDNA is passed from a mother to all of her children.  It dead ends in the sons and is only passed on by daughters to all their children, sons and daughters.  Since most white Americans are of European origin, most men fall into the R haplogroup, yDNA, and women and men into the mtDNA H haplogroup.  Only do this test if you are rich and curious. That said, when I first tested, mtDNA was the only test available to women, so I did it.  It turns out I have a very rare haplogroup, V3c.  This appears in less than 4% of the European population, and almost nowhere else in the World.  A recent test has shown my mtDNA is 68% Saami, who today live mostly above the Arctic Circle in Scandinavia.  I have no known Saami ancestors. If you do this test, you might get lucky, too. That's enough for now, enjoy your holiday, Marleen VanHorne White-DNA List Manager FTDNA White Surnname DNA Project Admin

    12/23/2018 12:17:22
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39
    2. Gail Rathbun
    3. Ellen, In my humble opinion, the test shows that your husband is not a White. He appears to be a Hoag. So if his family surname is White, there has been a non-paternal event. The matches at 12 markers are pretty useless. The same thing happened to me. My brother’s surname is Rathbun but his dna is not even in the same haplogroup as other male Rathbuns. Instead, at 111 markers he is only 4 or 5 markers different from 4 people in the database, all of whom have the surname White and who all seem to descend from one William White of Boston, b. 1610 in England, an expert furnace maker. And so, along with my new cousins I am trying to discover when the NPE happened, with whom, and where. I apologize in advance if my remarks are things you already know. Best wishes for a pleasant holiday and a happy new year. Gail Rathbun My email address has changed to rathbun@pfw.edu > On Dec 23, 2018, at 10:03 AM, Ellen White <ewhite38@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Mary Margaret *White) Tyler. > > I have done the 111 Y-DNA Family Tree DNA test for my husband, this is the test that his only WHITE matches are in the 12 genetic distance, > > My husband, who is now decreased, he was the oldest of his known line, His father had several brothers, but only one had a son, who I believe is deceased also, so the only male line to test would be his deceased brother's sons, who would be further down the DNA chain than John. I only found the great great grandfather in census records, I don't believe there were any other male relatives to test from that family. > > > John's haplogroup is R-269. > > John's first genetic distance in the 111 match is > 3 genetic distance; John Hogg, b. 1640, d.1701 > > Then > 5 John Hogg , New Kent Co. VA. 1657 > > At 6, he has Francis Crowe, 1778 maybe n. Ireland, d. 1851, Canada > 7-9, the names; Pringle, Forman, Lauder, Stodart come up, Scottish heritage > > All I know about John's earliest ancestor, William White, born VA, about 1810, is the 1850 census which gives his parents heritage as Irish., born in Ireland > This later family went to Sullivan Co. IN > > Thanks, > Ellen > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Tyler via WHITE-DNA <white-dna@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:44 PM > To: white-dna@rootsweb.com > Cc: Mary Tyler <nursemary56@yahoo.com> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 > > At Ellen, You really need a familytreedna.com Y-DNA test to find the White family! All those other tests only find cousins of many names from both sides of the families. They do not trace back many generations of Whites, The Y-DNA test will find your husband JOHN's father's fathers fathers father father sons and even out 5000 years! Especially if you do a Y-67 at least! To many matches that are not real matches when you do under 67 we have found! Especially with the White name with so many matching names we need to clarify closer into at least 67 markers to be sure of our family! Hope that helps! I am sure there are Christmas specials still going on. If not maybe after New Years they will have another special.. Try Easter and they always have a fathers day special as well. We keep getting hits every once in a while! Our Whites were separated during the Presbyterian wars in Scotland when they sent some to the US colonies for being in a conventical.. crazy, we have our Whites all over the world! lol Our matching Y's. One went to S. Africa during the boar wars and stayed. One went to Canada during the 1700's for a land grant and work.. etc. Goodness, we still got to get that guys Y done lol but his Haplo group is extended out to my brothers and matches so most likely he will match too! But Matches to a White you need the MALE family line test the Y67 is best! Follows just his male line back and will not match with any cousins from other families unless they are on the White family male line same line as your husband! See You find true Whites from your family then, too easy to mix up another white who could be actually matching from his great great grandma Murray and his last name is White and thinks that is his link! No no get the Y this won't do that! Mary Margaret (White) Tyler > > > On ‎Saturday‎, ‎December‎ ‎22‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎34‎:‎39‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Linda White <lwjars@gmail.com> wrote: > > My husband has an "oops" on the White line. He did a YDNA on FTDNA and he matches to Penland. > Ellen, you might have your husband do the YDNA test on FTDNA and see what surname matches him. > Linda White > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellen White <ewhite38@hotmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 2:24 PM > To: white-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 > > John, > I am replying for my husband, John White, I really can't help you in answering your question, but, I found your letter of interest to me. > > I have tested my husband John White, in Ancestry, 23andMe, and Family Tree, because I am trying to find his WHITE ancestors. > > In the results, Family Tree DNA, his closest matches , 111, are HOGG, Hoag, and White surname is "way" down the list.in the "12" connections. I too have wondered about this. Either an "OOOps" on parentage, an adoption, or a name change. I guess. > > Sabra White does not come up on his matches. > I have found that Ancestry and 23andme give the % of chromosomes shared. > > Thanks, > Ellen White > > -----Original Message----- > From: John <John@Hoagfamily.net> > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:47 AM > To: white-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 > > I am trying to find out how to determine through use of the DNA if I can be related to Sabra White b 4/4/1810 NY d before 1880 married Daniel Hawley Hoag 7/20/1828 he b 10/17/1805 NY and d 9/19/1868. Does anyone know how I would be able to determine if this is possible or the percent possibility of such. > > > Thanks every so much for any and ALL help > > John Hoag > > >> On 12/20/2018 3:02 AM, white-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Send WHITE-DNA mailing list submissions to white-dna@rootsweb.com >> >> To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body >> subscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com >> >> To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and >> body unsubscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> white-dna-owner@rootsweb.com >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of WHITE-DNA digest..." >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Issac White / Elizabeth Perry (Jan White) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:35:27 -0500 >> From: Jan White <stocktrac@charter.net> >> Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Issac White / Elizabeth Perry >> To: <white-dna@rootsweb.com> >> Message-ID: <A55F5FBFD0A04BA0AA4B1047EE4A4FF0@JANHOME> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >> reply-type=original >> >> Hi Gail, >> >> I sent you an email a few days ago, but have not received a reply. >> >> Just checking to see if this is a valid email address . . . >> >> Jan White >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: G Rathbun >> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:06 AM >> To: white-dna@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White >> >> Hi, everyone, >> >> I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas >> White, b. 1618. >> >> My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of >> one Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married >> in Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in >> Greenwich, MA starting around 1748. >> >> I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. 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    12/23/2018 08:46:39
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39
    2. Ellen White
    3. Mary Margaret *White) Tyler. I have done the 111 Y-DNA Family Tree DNA test for my husband, this is the test that his only WHITE matches are in the 12 genetic distance, My husband, who is now decreased, he was the oldest of his known line, His father had several brothers, but only one had a son, who I believe is deceased also, so the only male line to test would be his deceased brother's sons, who would be further down the DNA chain than John. I only found the great great grandfather in census records, I don't believe there were any other male relatives to test from that family. John's haplogroup is R-269. John's first genetic distance in the 111 match is 3 genetic distance; John Hogg, b. 1640, d.1701 Then 5 John Hogg , New Kent Co. VA. 1657 At 6, he has Francis Crowe, 1778 maybe n. Ireland, d. 1851, Canada 7-9, the names; Pringle, Forman, Lauder, Stodart come up, Scottish heritage All I know about John's earliest ancestor, William White, born VA, about 1810, is the 1850 census which gives his parents heritage as Irish., born in Ireland This later family went to Sullivan Co. IN Thanks, Ellen -----Original Message----- From: Mary Tyler via WHITE-DNA <white-dna@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 8:44 PM To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: Mary Tyler <nursemary56@yahoo.com> Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 At Ellen, You really need a familytreedna.com Y-DNA test to find the White family! All those other tests only find cousins of many names from both sides of the families. They do not trace back many generations of Whites, The Y-DNA test will find your husband JOHN's father's fathers fathers father father sons and even out 5000 years! Especially if you do a Y-67 at least! To many matches that are not real matches when you do under 67 we have found! Especially with the White name with so many matching names we need to clarify closer into at least 67 markers to be sure of our family! Hope that helps! I am sure there are Christmas specials still going on. If not maybe after New Years they will have another special.. Try Easter and they always have a fathers day special as well. We keep getting hits every once in a while! Our Whites were separated during the Presbyterian wars in Scotland when they sent some to the US colonies for being in a conventical.. crazy, we have our Whites all over the world! lol Our matching Y's. One went to S. Africa during the boar wars and stayed. One went to Canada during the 1700's for a land grant and work.. etc. Goodness, we still got to get that guys Y done lol but his Haplo group is extended out to my brothers and matches so most likely he will match too! But Matches to a White you need the MALE family line test the Y67 is best! Follows just his male line back and will not match with any cousins from other families unless they are on the White family male line same line as your husband! See You find true Whites from your family then, too easy to mix up another white who could be actually matching from his great great grandma Murray and his last name is White and thinks that is his link! No no get the Y this won't do that! Mary Margaret (White) Tyler On ‎Saturday‎, ‎December‎ ‎22‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎34‎:‎39‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Linda White <lwjars@gmail.com> wrote: My husband has an "oops" on the White line. He did a YDNA on FTDNA and he matches to Penland. Ellen, you might have your husband do the YDNA test on FTDNA and see what surname matches him. Linda White -----Original Message----- From: Ellen White <ewhite38@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 2:24 PM To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 John, I am replying for my husband, John White, I really can't help you in answering your question, but,  I found your letter of interest to me. I have tested my husband John White, in Ancestry, 23andMe, and Family Tree, because I am trying to find his WHITE ancestors. In the results, Family Tree DNA,  his closest matches , 111,  are HOGG, Hoag,    and White surname is "way" down the list.in the "12" connections.  I too have wondered about this.  Either an "OOOps" on parentage, an adoption, or a name change.  I guess. Sabra White does not come up on his matches. I have found that Ancestry and 23andme give the % of chromosomes shared. Thanks, Ellen White -----Original Message----- From: John <John@Hoagfamily.net> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:47 AM To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 I am trying to find out how to determine through use of the DNA if  I can be related to Sabra White b 4/4/1810 NY d before 1880 married Daniel Hawley Hoag 7/20/1828 he b 10/17/1805 NY and d 9/19/1868.  Does anyone know how I would be able to determine if this is possible or the percent possibility of such. Thanks every so much for any and ALL help John Hoag On 12/20/2018 3:02 AM, white-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send WHITE-DNA mailing list submissions to white-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > white-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WHITE-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > >    1. Issac White /  Elizabeth Perry (Jan White) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:35:27 -0500 > From: Jan White <stocktrac@charter.net> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Issac White /  Elizabeth Perry > To: <white-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A55F5FBFD0A04BA0AA4B1047EE4A4FF0@JANHOME> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >     reply-type=original > > Hi Gail, > > I sent you an email a few days ago, but have not received a reply. > > Just checking to see if this is a valid email address . . . > > Jan White > > -----Original Message----- > From: G Rathbun > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:06 AM > To: white-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White > > Hi, everyone, > > I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas > White, b. 1618. > > My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of > one Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married > in Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in > Greenwich, MA starting around 1748. > > I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. 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    12/23/2018 08:02:54
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39
    2. Mary Tyler
    3. At Ellen, You really need a familytreedna.com Y-DNA test to find the White family! All those other tests only find cousins of many names from both sides of the families. They do not trace back many generations of Whites, The Y-DNA test will find your husband JOHN's father's fathers fathers father father sons and even out 5000 years! Especially if you do a Y-67 at least! To many matches that are not real matches when you do under 67 we have found! Especially with the White name with so many matching names we need to clarify closer into at least 67 markers to be sure of our family! Hope that helps! I am sure there are Christmas specials still going on. If not maybe after New Years they will have another special.. Try Easter and they always have a fathers day special as well.  We keep getting hits every once in a while! Our Whites were separated during the Presbyterian wars in Scotland when they sent some to the US colonies for being in a conventical.. crazy, we have our Whites all over the world! lol Our matching Y's. One went to S. Africa during the boar wars and stayed. One went to Canada during the 1700's for a land grant and work.. etc. Goodness, we still got to get that guys Y done lol but his Haplo group is extended out to my brothers and matches so most likely he will match too!  But Matches to a White you need the MALE family line test the Y67 is best! Follows just his male line back and will not match with any cousins from other families unless they are on the White family male line same line as your husband! See You find true Whites from your family then, too easy to mix up another white who could be actually matching from his great great grandma Murray and his last name is White and thinks that is his link! No no get the Y this won't do that! Mary Margaret (White) Tyler On ‎Saturday‎, ‎December‎ ‎22‎, ‎2018‎ ‎04‎:‎34‎:‎39‎ ‎PM‎ ‎PST, Linda White <lwjars@gmail.com> wrote: My husband has an "oops" on the White line. He did a YDNA on FTDNA and he matches to Penland. Ellen, you might have your husband do the YDNA test on FTDNA and see what surname matches him. Linda White -----Original Message----- From: Ellen White <ewhite38@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 2:24 PM To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 John, I am replying for my husband, John White, I really can't help you in answering your question, but,  I found your letter of interest to me. I have tested my husband John White, in Ancestry, 23andMe, and Family Tree, because I am trying to find his WHITE ancestors. In the results, Family Tree DNA,  his closest matches , 111,  are HOGG, Hoag,    and White surname is "way" down the list.in the "12" connections.  I too have wondered about this.  Either an "OOOps" on parentage, an adoption, or a name change.  I guess. Sabra White does not come up on his matches. I have found that Ancestry and 23andme give the % of chromosomes shared. Thanks, Ellen White -----Original Message----- From: John <John@Hoagfamily.net> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:47 AM To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 I am trying to find out how to determine through use of the DNA if  I can be related to Sabra White b 4/4/1810 NY d before 1880 married Daniel Hawley Hoag 7/20/1828 he b 10/17/1805 NY and d 9/19/1868.  Does anyone know how I would be able to determine if this is possible or the percent possibility of such. Thanks every so much for any and ALL help John Hoag On 12/20/2018 3:02 AM, white-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send WHITE-DNA mailing list submissions to white-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > white-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WHITE-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > >    1. Issac White /  Elizabeth Perry (Jan White) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:35:27 -0500 > From: Jan White <stocktrac@charter.net> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Issac White /  Elizabeth Perry > To: <white-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A55F5FBFD0A04BA0AA4B1047EE4A4FF0@JANHOME> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >     reply-type=original > > Hi Gail, > > I sent you an email a few days ago, but have not received a reply. > > Just checking to see if this is a valid email address . . . > > Jan White > > -----Original Message----- > From: G Rathbun > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:06 AM > To: white-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White > > Hi, everyone, > > I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas > White, b. 1618. > > My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of > one Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married > in Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in > Greenwich, MA starting around 1748. > > I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. 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    12/22/2018 07:44:20
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39
    2. Linda White
    3. My husband has an "oops" on the White line. He did a YDNA on FTDNA and he matches to Penland. Ellen, you might have your husband do the YDNA test on FTDNA and see what surname matches him. Linda White -----Original Message----- From: Ellen White <ewhite38@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2018 2:24 PM To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 John, I am replying for my husband, John White, I really can't help you in answering your question, but, I found your letter of interest to me. I have tested my husband John White, in Ancestry, 23andMe, and Family Tree, because I am trying to find his WHITE ancestors. In the results, Family Tree DNA, his closest matches , 111, are HOGG, Hoag, and White surname is "way" down the list.in the "12" connections. I too have wondered about this. Either an "OOOps" on parentage, an adoption, or a name change. I guess. Sabra White does not come up on his matches. I have found that Ancestry and 23andme give the % of chromosomes shared. Thanks, Ellen White -----Original Message----- From: John <John@Hoagfamily.net> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:47 AM To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 I am trying to find out how to determine through use of the DNA if I can be related to Sabra White b 4/4/1810 NY d before 1880 married Daniel Hawley Hoag 7/20/1828 he b 10/17/1805 NY and d 9/19/1868. Does anyone know how I would be able to determine if this is possible or the percent possibility of such. Thanks every so much for any and ALL help John Hoag On 12/20/2018 3:02 AM, white-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send WHITE-DNA mailing list submissions to white-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > white-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WHITE-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Issac White / Elizabeth Perry (Jan White) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:35:27 -0500 > From: Jan White <stocktrac@charter.net> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Issac White / Elizabeth Perry > To: <white-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A55F5FBFD0A04BA0AA4B1047EE4A4FF0@JANHOME> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Gail, > > I sent you an email a few days ago, but have not received a reply. > > Just checking to see if this is a valid email address . . . > > Jan White > > -----Original Message----- > From: G Rathbun > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:06 AM > To: white-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White > > Hi, everyone, > > I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas > White, b. 1618. > > My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of > one Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married > in Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in > Greenwich, MA starting around 1748. > > I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. 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    12/22/2018 05:34:28
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39
    2. Ellen White
    3. John, I am replying for my husband, John White, I really can't help you in answering your question, but, I found your letter of interest to me. I have tested my husband John White, in Ancestry, 23andMe, and Family Tree, because I am trying to find his WHITE ancestors. In the results, Family Tree DNA, his closest matches , 111, are HOGG, Hoag, and White surname is "way" down the list.in the "12" connections. I too have wondered about this. Either an "OOOps" on parentage, an adoption, or a name change. I guess. Sabra White does not come up on his matches. I have found that Ancestry and 23andme give the % of chromosomes shared. Thanks, Ellen White -----Original Message----- From: John <John@Hoagfamily.net> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:47 AM To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39 I am trying to find out how to determine through use of the DNA if  I can be related to Sabra White b 4/4/1810 NY d before 1880 married Daniel Hawley Hoag 7/20/1828 he b 10/17/1805 NY and d 9/19/1868.  Does anyone know how I would be able to determine if this is possible or the percent possibility of such. Thanks every so much for any and ALL help John Hoag On 12/20/2018 3:02 AM, white-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send WHITE-DNA mailing list submissions to white-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > white-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WHITE-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Issac White / Elizabeth Perry (Jan White) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:35:27 -0500 > From: Jan White <stocktrac@charter.net> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Issac White / Elizabeth Perry > To: <white-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A55F5FBFD0A04BA0AA4B1047EE4A4FF0@JANHOME> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Gail, > > I sent you an email a few days ago, but have not received a reply. > > Just checking to see if this is a valid email address . . . > > Jan White > > -----Original Message----- > From: G Rathbun > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:06 AM > To: white-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White > > Hi, everyone, > > I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas > White, b. 1618. > > My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of > one Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married > in Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in > Greenwich, MA starting around 1748. > > I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. I am most interested in > your research on Nicholas’s English origins. > > Many thanks in advance for your kind assistance. > > Gail Rathbun _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2Frootswebpref&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb5c7caa5aa504a87423e08d667187b59%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636809752180997364&amp;sdata=bfw6cMUYnPN0IrKr%2FDLW%2FJAxoThKI%2BNmjO8st3LsJzI%3D&amp;reserved=0 Unsubscribe https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Flists.rootsweb.com%2Fpostorius%2Flists%2Fwhite-dna%40rootsweb.com&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb5c7caa5aa504a87423e08d667187b59%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636809752180997364&amp;sdata=ov9AziUoAshtP6loa4mz6uWKO5%2FCbfAggERvvV2XA5U%3D&amp;reserved=0 Privacy Statement: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2JWBOdY&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb5c7caa5aa504a87423e08d667187b59%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636809752180997364&amp;sdata=DNSzsFQqce5J%2BVkrN8CxVfQo9bw2%2FUsjGFpX4uDjZX0%3D&amp;reserved=0 Terms and Conditions: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fancstry.me%2F2HDBym9&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb5c7caa5aa504a87423e08d667187b59%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636809752180997364&amp;sdata=6Xiit9rOuy8bLIzgkcHbVhMfJ9Wro3qHiHjhez26eQw%3D&amp;reserved=0 Rootsweb Blog: https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Frootsweb.blog&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cb5c7caa5aa504a87423e08d667187b59%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636809752180997364&amp;sdata=KS4GPv5yqgUuN4tmFWj%2FEO0yevhZbNcgCTWzHlhn32k%3D&amp;reserved=0 RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    12/22/2018 03:23:38
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: WHITE-DNA Digest, Vol 7, Issue 39
    2. John
    3. I am trying to find out how to determine through use of the DNA if  I can be related to Sabra White b 4/4/1810 NY d before 1880 married Daniel Hawley Hoag 7/20/1828 he b 10/17/1805 NY and d 9/19/1868.  Does anyone know how I would be able to determine if this is possible or the percent possibility of such. Thanks every so much for any and ALL help John Hoag On 12/20/2018 3:02 AM, white-dna-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Send WHITE-DNA mailing list submissions to white-dna@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe via email send a message with subject subscribe and body > subscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > To unsubscribe via email send a message with subject unsubscribe and > body unsubscribe to white-dna-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > white-dna-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of WHITE-DNA digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Issac White / Elizabeth Perry (Jan White) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 00:35:27 -0500 > From: Jan White <stocktrac@charter.net> > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Issac White / Elizabeth Perry > To: <white-dna@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <A55F5FBFD0A04BA0AA4B1047EE4A4FF0@JANHOME> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Gail, > > I sent you an email a few days ago, but have not received a reply. > > Just checking to see if this is a valid email address . . . > > Jan White > > -----Original Message----- > From: G Rathbun > Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:06 AM > To: white-dna@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White > > Hi, everyone, > > I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas > White, b. 1618. > > My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of one > Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married in > Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in Greenwich, > MA starting around 1748. > > I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. I am most interested in your > research on Nicholas’s English origins. > > Many thanks in advance for your kind assistance. > > Gail Rathbun

    12/21/2018 12:46:46
  1. 12/20/2018 09:25:55
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: Issac White / Elizabeth Perry
    2. Thomas E White
    3. Not my Kit #... Tom White ------ Original Message ------ From: "Jan White" <stocktrac@charter.net> To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Sent: 12/19/2018 11:35:27 PM Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Issac White / Elizabeth Perry >Hi Gail, > >I sent you an email a few days ago, but have not received a reply. > >Just checking to see if this is a valid email address . . . > >Jan White > >-----Original Message----- From: G Rathbun >Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:06 AM >To: white-dna@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White > >Hi, everyone, > >I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas >White, b. 1618. > >My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of one >Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married in >Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in Greenwich, >MA starting around 1748. > >I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. I am most interested in your >research on Nicholas’s English origins. > >Many thanks in advance for your kind assistance. > >Gail Rathbun >-- Sent from Gmail Mobile > >_______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/white-dna@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > >_______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/white-dna@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    12/20/2018 06:22:03
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Issac White / Elizabeth Perry
    2. Jan White
    3. Hi Gail, I sent you an email a few days ago, but have not received a reply. Just checking to see if this is a valid email address . . . Jan White -----Original Message----- From: G Rathbun Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2018 9:06 AM To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White Hi, everyone, I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas White, b. 1618. My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of one Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married in Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in Greenwich, MA starting around 1748. I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. I am most interested in your research on Nicholas’s English origins. Many thanks in advance for your kind assistance. Gail Rathbun -- Sent from Gmail Mobile _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/white-dna@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

    12/19/2018 10:35:27
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: Kit #182610 Nicholas White
    2. Thomas E White
    3. Not this White, I'm afraid. BUT, I have Rathbun ancestors on my mother's side... Tom White ------ Original Message ------ From: "G Rathbun" <gailannerathbun@gmail.com> To: white-dna@rootsweb.com Cc: Sent: 10/31/2018 8:06:25 AM Subject: [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White >Hi, everyone, > >I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas >White, b. 1618. > >My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of >one >Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married in >Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in >Greenwich, >MA starting around 1748. > >I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. I am most interested in >your >research on Nicholas’s English origins. > >Many thanks in advance for your kind assistance. > >Gail Rathbun >-- >Sent from Gmail Mobile > >_______________________________________________ > >_______________________________________________ >Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >Unsubscribe >https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/white-dna@rootsweb.com >Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >community

    10/31/2018 08:54:01
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Kit #182610 Nicholas White
    2. G Rathbun
    3. Hi, everyone, I am seeking the owner of kit #182610 claiming ancestry from Nicholas White, b. 1618. My YDNA cousins and I are trying to solve the mystery of the origin of one Isaac White born around 1710, probably in Boston, who was married in Brookfield, MA in 1735 to Elizabeth Perry and who owned land in Greenwich, MA starting around 1748. I would greatly appreciate seeing your tree. I am most interested in your research on Nicholas’s English origins. Many thanks in advance for your kind assistance. Gail Rathbun -- Sent from Gmail Mobile

    10/31/2018 07:06:25
    1. [WHITE-DNA] White-DNA List Admin Message
    2. Marleen Van Horne
    3. Hello All, I am the administrator of both this list and the FTDNA White Surname DNA project.  I prefer communicating with you by the RootsWeb mail list, as it is easier to write one message and have all of you receive it, than to make individual replies and not know who might have read them.  So please use this mail list for any questions or comments you may have. I took on my first DNA project at FTDNA in 2005.  Over the years I have taken over other projects so that I now manage 14 projects in one way or the other.  Most of the surnames are for my own ancestors, but I have several surnames for which I have no genealogical knowledge, but it seems to work. For members of my projects, and others who seem to need it, I offer a free one on one, or one on two telephone seminar, the objective of which is to teach you how to understand and analyze you own test results.  If you wish to take advantage of my seminar, write to me privately at msvnhrn@jps.net,to make an appointment with me.  Suggest a day and time and include your telephone number.  Please keep in mind that I live in the PTZ and do not function before 11am.  Some of you have already taken advantage of my offer. As to my testing philosophy, I tend to be a minimalist.  I guess you could say, I am a sniper, rather than a bomber.  With the help of my project members, I have identified the immigrant ancestors of three of my families, where the true ancestor had been unknown or misidentified for several hundred years.  This was done exclusively with 67 marker yDNA tests and Family Finder tests.  I do not suggest more expensive tests, except in very very rare circumstances. Many of you have taken autosomal DNA tests, thinking they will identify all of your ancestors, they don't.  If you are adopted and looking for birth parents, you might get lucky with an atDNA test.  If you are a genealogist looking for your immigrant ancestor, the chances are extremely low that an atDNA, or Family Finder test will find your ancestor.  When you look at your test results, if all your FF matches share 100cM or less of atDNA with you, that means your common ancestors lived perhaps 400-5000 year ago, and if your known pedigree only goes back four or five generations, you have no way of identifying the common ancestors. For this reason I recommend a 67 marker yDNA test as the basis of genetic genealogy. Only the 67 marker yDNA test can establish that a man's social and biological surnames match.  Many men find when they are yDNA tested, that the name they are known by, does not match the surname associated with their yDNA.  If you are researching the wrong paternal surname, your effort is wasted. I suggest that all of my male project members do a 67 marker yDNA test AND a Family Finder test.  The 67 marker yDNA test seems to be the most stable, in that you loose most of the men who really do not match you, and do not gain any matches by testing higher. The Family Finder test helps to confirm relationships, identifying who married into your male line. For female project members, there is really only one test that is of genealogical use, and that is Family Finder.  But FF alone, is not much help.  Again, a woman needs to do a 67 marker yDNA test on a male related to her father, to confirm his surname, and a male related to her mother's father to confirm his surname. In both cases, without the information these tests provide, you have only part of the picture, and will very likely not be successful in your genealogical search. Well, that's enough for now, Marleen

    07/03/2018 01:00:02
    1. [WHITE-DNA] [WHITE-DNA]
    2. J Elliott
    3. If anyone has the R-M269 SNP, I'd like to hear from you. We are stuck in Ohio and would like to get across the ocean to see where we came from - thanks, JWhite

    07/02/2018 05:47:06
    1. [WHITE-DNA] Re: New Subscribers to the mail lists
    2. Robin Livingston
    3. Update: Big Y results: > > R-S10957 > FTDNA and YSeq are testing to different levels of SNP. I am positive for R-Z2 > On Jul 2, 2018, at 7:16 AM, Robin Livingston <livingstondmd@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello White Surname Mail List: > > My surname after 1860 is Livingston. Presumably, before 1860 it is White based on Y-111 matches. One of these matches at GD 2 is in the community where William F Livingston’s White father would have lived. Many autosomal DNA matches lead to this suspect White family line. > > My last action trying to identify the correct White family line is with terminal SNP/haplogroup testing. The FTDNA confirmed haplogroup U-106 has further been broken down by the YSeq.com <http://yseq.com/> R1b-U106 SuperClade Panel to be > > R1b-CTS9539 > > I would like to hear from anyone matching this terminal haplogroup which should lead back to the immigrants Rev William Hugh White (1665 Ireland - 18 May 1741 Neshaminy, Chester Co, PA) and his brother Moses White (1665-1735). The ancestor of these individuals appears to be Robert White Sr of Farnham (1456-1518). Many of my cousin matches and of my White Y-DNA match also converge on this Robert White of Franham. > > Robin L Livingston > Big Y results pending > >> On Jun 30, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Michael <michaelwhite@lowndes.k12.ga.us <mailto:michaelwhite@lowndes.k12.ga.us>> wrote: >> >> Hi Marlene I have tested big y you can get it and help place me closer to my peeps thanks >> MichaelWhite >> 180714 >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jun 30, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Jamie <webthings@comcast.net <mailto:webthings@comcast.net>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jim, >>> >>> You may have been in touch with my cousin Mary Margaret. We are trying to join our Scottish Whites who stayed in Scotland to those who left for North America in the 1700s. I know George White (b1690)is probably the missing link as we are tracking him through church records as he was a minister. >>> >>> Let me check with her as she is our DNA specialist. >>> >>> Janet >>> >>> >>>> On June 30, 2018 at 1:31 PM Jim White <jimwhite3@comcast.net <mailto:jimwhite3@comcast.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi List: >>>> >>>> Mt White surname history is as follows: >>>> >>>> 1) Earliest paper confirmation is for a George White in 1765, in Sligo, >>>> Ireland. >>>> >>>> 2) His son, John (my gg grandfather), born 1803 in Sligo, Ireland, >>>> emigrated to Ontario in 1842 >>>> >>>> 3) I have taken the Big Y test, and have tested to 111 YSTR >>>> >>>> 4) Family lore, suggests, my whites emigrated to Sligo, ca 1700, from SW >>>> England >>>> >>>> 5) The Big Y summary indicates my Haplogroup is DF19-L654-Z28019 >>>> >>>> 6) The Co-administrators of the DF19 project (google for DF19), have >>>> theorized that my DF19 ancestors originated in NW Germany, near the base of >>>> the Denmark PENINSULA, CA 300 bc, EMIGRATED TO NORMANDY area ca 700 AD, and >>>> to SW England ca 1300 AD. >>>> >>>> My White line were COE Protestants, and several were Weavers, in Ireland, >>>> and possibly in SW England. >>>> >>>> I have extensive info on my Whites , starting in 1765. >>>> >>>> Jim White >>>> >>>> Naples, Florida >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Marleen Van Horne >>>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 3:08 PM >>>> To: White-DNA@rootsweb.com <mailto:White-DNA@rootsweb.com> >>>> Subject: [WHITE-DNA] New Subscribers to the mail lists >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone. >>>> >>>> I see we have some new subscribers to the mail list. >>>> >>>> If you are not familiar with genealogy mail lists, the first rule is not >>>> to sit on the sideline and wait for someone to post. These lists only >>>> work if the subscribers speak up, ask questions about what is on their >>>> mind. It is up to each of you to start conversations and keep them going. >>>> >>>> Please do not rely on me to keep the list alive, it is you list and I >>>> rely on all of you to chatter away. Ask questions. Keep us posted on >>>> how your research is going. Tell us what you are finding, and how you >>>> are finding it. 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