Hi Geoff... I spotted an error on the IGI that I have confirmed as incorrect twice with the Surrey Family History Soc. My ancestor, Henry Moss SKILLING married Jane GOVER in the 1850s, but the IGI incorrectly shows that he married a "Jane Goon." I had originally sent away to Surrey to get info about the marriage and received the correct parish entry showing Gover. A few years later I was puzzled to find that the IGI had him marrying Jane Goon. So I sent away again to Surrey asking them to check for me & received the reply that the marriage entry clearly states he married Jane Gover. They provided all the info about the entry showing witnesses etc... As you say Geoff, the IGI is a marvelous resource to be used as a guide, but everyone should try to see the entries themselves to be sure about the info. You don't want to be searching for the wrong names and years later have to throw away years of your efforts due to a slip-up like this. Believe me, I am not knocking the IGI. My research would not be ANYWHERE near what it is today without this incredible resource. Regards, Chris Bradshaw bradshawchris@home.com Searching for BRADSHAW in Paisley Scotland SMITH/COOPER in Rosedale North Riding Yorkshire HAY in Cruden Bay Aberdeenshire Scotland FORAN/WHITE Buffalo NY and Canada WEBSTER in Wexford Ireland MCDERMID/MCNEIL/TAYLOR IN Argyllshire Scotland GORING/SKILLING/GOVER in Surrey TAYLOR/FINNIE in Aberdeenshire Irish HENDERSONs in Ontario Irish CAIRNS/CARNS/KEARNS in Norfolk Co. Ontario DOWSON/BARKER/HALTON in North Riding Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: <MissEv1017@aol.com> To: <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: February 7, 2000 6:37 PM Subject: [WHITE] Re: Reliability of IGI > The following is a copy of a letter published in the Warwickshire newsletter > by one of it's subscribers. I have found much information at this site but I > think Geoff's letter is informative and wisely helpful. > I quote: > > I spent a few hours last night satisfying my curiosity > about the IGI records. > I have many photocopies of pages from the Chilvers Coton > parish registers that I made when I was in Nuneaton, and I decided to > see whether the LDS transcribers had managed to do a better job on the > dark and ink-smudged parts than I. The result was surprising. These were > mostly pages from 1650 to 1700, and I used the online IGI. > Where a name was dark and smudged but still understandable, > there was often no entry on the IGI. Where the handwriting was doubtful, > but understandable because the same names appeared clearer in other > parts, there was no entry OR a completely wrong name had been recorded. > Then, I noticed that only about half of the names had been transcribed - > mostly those which were so clear that there could be no doubt. The > majority of the correct records were the ones which had a C or M batch > number - which I believe were mostly transcribed from the Bishop's > Transcripts. Those without the C or M prefix were only vaguely reliable. > My conclusion is that whoever did the transcribing of those > particular records was rather slipshod and in a hurry and had no really > clear idea of old handwriting. I found 'c' recorded as 'r' and 'B'; '7' > as '1' or '9'; 'e' as 'o', and so on. I also believe that the > transcribers were in Salt Lake and worked from photographs of registers. > They would usually have no local knowledge and were perhaps not even > familiar enough with English names to question their own interpretation. > One interesting entry, which was faded but still legible with > a knowledge of the district and the names that occurred frequently was > the marriage between William Coxe and Dorothy Brighton on September 16th > 1654 at ARBURY, the estate of the Newdigate family in the parish of > Chilvers Coton.. There were two entries on the IGI for this marriage: > William Coxe to GARTRYE (no attempt to decipher the surname) in FEBRUARY > 1654 in Nuneaton. The faint but legible September has been ignored and > Arbury is interpreted as February. > The other IGI entry is for William Coxe and Dorothie BEETON, 18th > September 1654 (wrong date) in Nuneaton (a different place at that time, > which would even cause a researcher to waste a lot of time searching > Nuneaton records). These are both entries with the 'M' prefix for the > batch number. > This was, I would point out again, Chilvers Coton. I have no idea > about other districts. Perhaps they are better. > I have the feeling that my Richard and Hannah White may still be > lurking in Chilvers Coton but are hiding in the dark pages. > The moral is that which genealogists have said for a long > time: use the IGI as a guide only, but then check the originals, perhaps > through a local FHS which has often transcribed them. > Geoff in Helsinki > >

Suz, Irene, Nannie D. and Philip Aubrey White are buried in plot #396 E in Highland Cemetery in Durant Ok Bryan Co. That would be close but not in the same plot. Mary

My WHITES were in Portsmouth, NH, as late as 1850, which is right across the river from Kittery, ME. About 1823, a bridge was built connecting the two towns (Annals of Portsmouth, NH). The sad thing is, I'm not back to the 1600s, yet. Regards, Jean Partlow wordsnstats@socal.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trisha Bridges" <FaithMaster@teens4jesus.org> To: <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 12:26 AM Subject: [WHITE] two different white families > I need help finding my family. I am seeking info on John White who was the father of Mary White who married Wiliam Thompson in 1656. William Thompson died june 22 1676, probably in Kittery York Maine. I have no other info on this White family. > My other White family is just as good. :-)I have the marriage contract for Fidelia Ann White and John D. Ames for Oct 9 1840 She died 1844. All I know is she was born in New York and a Joseph White was a witness listed on the marriage contract. I assume it is her father, but he could be her brother. I need help on these families. i have nothing to go on and no idea where to look next! > > Trisha > > FaithMaster, List Manager for Teens 4 Jesus Youth Group > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Are you a teenager looking for Christian friends and a great place to > hang out online? Or do you know one that is in need of fellowship and > guidance? Check out this new site! http://www.teens4jesus.org > Join the Teens4Jesus mailing lists! > Subscribe: T4JPrayerRequests-subscribe@onelist.com > Subscribe: T4JYouthGroup-subscribe@onelist.com > > > > ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== > A GOOD PRACTICE IN MESSAGING IS TO LIMIT 'PER LINE' CHARACTERS TO 65-75 > >

The following is a copy of a letter published in the Warwickshire newsletter by one of it's subscribers. I have found much information at this site but I think Geoff's letter is informative and wisely helpful. I quote: I spent a few hours last night satisfying my curiosity about the IGI records. I have many photocopies of pages from the Chilvers Coton parish registers that I made when I was in Nuneaton, and I decided to see whether the LDS transcribers had managed to do a better job on the dark and ink-smudged parts than I. The result was surprising. These were mostly pages from 1650 to 1700, and I used the online IGI. Where a name was dark and smudged but still understandable, there was often no entry on the IGI. Where the handwriting was doubtful, but understandable because the same names appeared clearer in other parts, there was no entry OR a completely wrong name had been recorded. Then, I noticed that only about half of the names had been transcribed - mostly those which were so clear that there could be no doubt. The majority of the correct records were the ones which had a C or M batch number - which I believe were mostly transcribed from the Bishop's Transcripts. Those without the C or M prefix were only vaguely reliable. My conclusion is that whoever did the transcribing of those particular records was rather slipshod and in a hurry and had no really clear idea of old handwriting. I found 'c' recorded as 'r' and 'B'; '7' as '1' or '9'; 'e' as 'o', and so on. I also believe that the transcribers were in Salt Lake and worked from photographs of registers. They would usually have no local knowledge and were perhaps not even familiar enough with English names to question their own interpretation. One interesting entry, which was faded but still legible with a knowledge of the district and the names that occurred frequently was the marriage between William Coxe and Dorothy Brighton on September 16th 1654 at ARBURY, the estate of the Newdigate family in the parish of Chilvers Coton.. There were two entries on the IGI for this marriage: William Coxe to GARTRYE (no attempt to decipher the surname) in FEBRUARY 1654 in Nuneaton. The faint but legible September has been ignored and Arbury is interpreted as February. The other IGI entry is for William Coxe and Dorothie BEETON, 18th September 1654 (wrong date) in Nuneaton (a different place at that time, which would even cause a researcher to waste a lot of time searching Nuneaton records). These are both entries with the 'M' prefix for the batch number. This was, I would point out again, Chilvers Coton. I have no idea about other districts. Perhaps they are better. I have the feeling that my Richard and Hannah White may still be lurking in Chilvers Coton but are hiding in the dark pages. The moral is that which genealogists have said for a long time: use the IGI as a guide only, but then check the originals, perhaps through a local FHS which has often transcribed them. Geoff in Helsinki

GABEHART, HARDIN, HARRISON, HOAGLAND, HOGUE, LAKE, MORRISON, WHEATLEY, WHITE, WISE (GREEN CO, MARION CO, TAYLOR CO, WASHINGTON CO) John WHITE, 74 b: 1776, from PA, (1850 Green Co census) Isabella, 82, b:1768, from SC Rosanna, 15 b: 1835 John, 12 b:1838 Mary, 10 b: 1840 Are these Joseph's (see below) parents? Joseph WHITE, Need info on names of parents & their POB, DOD b: 1796, Green Co m: ca 1818 Marion Co to Elizabeth HOAGLAND (fa:Isaac, mo: Miriam HARDIN) d: ? Taylor C0. 1850 Taylor Co Census: 204 Joseph WHITE 54 (1796) m W Farmer $1200 Kentucky Elizabeth 56 (1794) f W " M. A. 30 (1820) f W " Josiah 24 (1826) m W Farmer " William H 21 (1829) m W " Jane 18 (1832) f W " John 15 (1835) m W " Robert 10 (1840) m W " also listed: Polly BUCHANAN 5 (1845) f W " George Douglass 11 (1839) m B " Any info on any/all of the above appreciated, always willing to share. Sarah j_blantonjr@msn.com

Looking for any information about Alonzo Clayton White born 1850. His mother was Nancy White daughter of George White and Susannah Hall. Lived in Wayne County, Tn. around Indian Creek. Alonzo's father, I have been told is John T. Moser. Alonzo's mother never married. Alonzo (called Lon) married Mary A. Hanes Nov. 2, 1867 in Wayne County, Tn. They had the following children: William A. White b. 1869 Nancy J. White b. 1870 George H. White b. 1872 Robert Harvey White b. 1877 (my great grandfather, married Maratha Jane Dildine) James J. J. White b. 1879 Emma White b. March 1882 S.L.C. White b. December 1884 Thomas White b. March 1889 Any information would be helpful. Thanks in advance. Sherian

In a message dated 2/7/00 6:59:57 AM Central Standard Time, flywfarm@atlantic.net writes: << ubj: [WHITE] Thomas White Date: 2/7/00 6:59:57 AM Central Standard Time From: flywfarm@atlantic.net (John W. White) Reply-to: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com Searching for Thomas White bn. 1785 in SC, moved to Thomas County, GA. in 1830 or 40 had sons Joseph, Caleb, Aaron, and several daughters, married at least twice. I have info on Joseph's deced's will share. Thank You: John W. White >> John, I have a Thomas White that I am searching for, In his stepdaughters book his full name is given as Thomas Buckle White, I only have his date of marriage which is Aug 31.1863 to Elizabeth Burton Benson Elgar, a widow, so if there is any connection here please reply to MWhee10215@aol.com Thank You Melba White Wheeler

Searching for Thomas White bn. 1785 in SC, moved to Thomas County, GA. in 1830 or 40 had sons Joseph, Caleb, Aaron, and several daughters, married at least twice. I have info on Joseph's deced's will share. Thank You: John W. White

hi jean i am looking for a william "square bill" white married to mary e reeves in limestone co. alabama. they were married in 1874. was wondering if part of absalom white's family since from the same area -----Original Message----- From: jean mccoy <mccoy@gvtc.com> To: WHITE-L@rootsweb.com <WHITE-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, February 06, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: [WHITE] Ayers (or Ayer) White.may have moved to Ky. >Not having the full history and story here, this is probably not worth much. But >I have a Phebey White, born abt 1804 NC (prob Randolph Co area) who was left a >widow in Limestone Co, Ala in 1832...(if she was still living...have not had will >to read yet). She was actually Phebey Adcock, who mar Absalom White born 1772 >Loudoun Co, Va. He died 1832. Just a long shot. JeanW mccoy@gvtc.com > >VT1929@aol.com wrote: > >> Looking for information on Ayers (or Ayer) White. Born in Newbury Vermont >> abt. 1807 >> His father was also Ayer (without the s) Mother was Hannah Carter >> My computer program tells me he is a first cousin 4 times removed, our common >> ancestor Ebenezer White b. 1731 d. 1807 >> MY name is James Dodge, my mother being the White line. >> What information I found was, letters in a bureau handed down to my mother, >> they were written in code to a Phebe White probably the love of his life. >> With some help from my uncle we were able to decode most of the writing. >> The letters begin in 1834 he is teaching school some where >> Then in Nov 1835 he is writing from Paris, Bourbon Co.KY >> Still teaching school >> The last letter I have was from the same area written in 1838 >> Apparent she had told him that she was going to marry a Gilmond Brown, and I >> did find on the Internet a Phebe White married to a Gilmond Brown. >> He said he was coming back to Vermont (by the canals of the time). >> I believe he probably went back to the KY area, and may have continued >> teaching. At this point I cannot seem to find any more information. >> So if any one out there has any information on Ayers White I would appreciate >> hearing from you. >> Thanks >> James Dodge >> vt1929@aol.com >

please remove me from the White mailing list.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <WHITE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <WHITE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2000 3:20 AM Subject: WHITE-D Digest V00 #57

Anyone researching in the area of Bryan county Oklahoma (Durant is the county seat) contact the Bryan County Heritage Association ( you can find a link on the genweb page for that county.) they have a huge collection of genealogical materials, all cemeteries for that and surrounding counties , school records and family info . It will surprise you to see what this fine group has done. They started an independant genealogical library and been very successful. It is located in Calera a tiny town on HWY 75 but it is so full of stuff it would take you all day to see things. I know they have some funeral home records as well as all biographicals . Susan Mjboon@aol.com wrote: > Suz, I don't know if this is the same person as your William Young White, > but there is also a William T. White buried in Highland Cemetery, Durant Ok > Bryan Co. with b. August 1, 1887 d. Feb 15, 1947. However he is buried in a > different plot 1586W with a Clara B. White b. Nov 5, 1891 d. Jan 20, 1981. > Thought this may help. I have only one C. Lee White so I don't know which > one it would be. Maybe you can determine. Mary

I am the Fannin County CC , I own the Genweb page for fannin. http://www.rootsweb.com/~txfannin/ on the census page there you will find the 1850 link, it is all up and the 1860 is partially up by digital format and I am working on the 1860 census index it will be up by I should think tues. I am putting both White Family Cemeteries up this week and moving some others online on the cemetery page there too. susan Suzhoughto@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/30/2000 5:37:48 PM Pacific Standard Time, mccoy@gvtc.com > writes: > > << Susan I am working on Tx to Al to Tn to NC to Va Whites. Do you have > access to a Fannin Co census for 1850 or 1860 that you could pick up > birthplace of Williams father and mother? I'd like to figure this out > too. Jean mccoy@gvtc.com > >> > No, I don't. Wish I did. Hope to eventually get it, but am working on > several branches of family. thought you might recognize the name.

Hello List, Here is the Wm. White family line which includes Melvin (his son) of my previous email. Just thought there might be some new people who would happen to recognize the names and contact me. Looking for parents of Wm. White b. 1824 PA. Married: Frances___(Rogers?) IN. 1846. 3 daughters: Caroline b. 1848 IN. Sarah b. 1850 AR., Frances Loretta b. 1852 MO. Wm. married 2nd. time to Mary Ann (Polly Ann) Williams, 1857 Lawrence Co. MO. Their children: George Walter, Mabel (May), Dora, Edwin, Charles, Elsie, Melvin, Ernest, H.A. William and Lulu. Census records say Wm.'s father b. in Md. mother in Mass. Does anyone connect with this family? Dottie

Hi List, I realize I put this family on the list 4 or 5l months ago but thought I would try again. The family is as follows: Melvin White, b. 1871 in Springfield, MO. Marr. Mary Elizabeth ______(?) in Topeka,Kansas in 1910. Three daughters one of which was named Helen. Melvin died in 1951 and is buried in Springfield, MO. Any help with this family would be much appreciated. Dottie

Not having the full history and story here, this is probably not worth much. But I have a Phebey White, born abt 1804 NC (prob Randolph Co area) who was left a widow in Limestone Co, Ala in 1832...(if she was still living...have not had will to read yet). She was actually Phebey Adcock, who mar Absalom White born 1772 Loudoun Co, Va. He died 1832. Just a long shot. JeanW mccoy@gvtc.com VT1929@aol.com wrote: > Looking for information on Ayers (or Ayer) White. Born in Newbury Vermont > abt. 1807 > His father was also Ayer (without the s) Mother was Hannah Carter > My computer program tells me he is a first cousin 4 times removed, our common > ancestor Ebenezer White b. 1731 d. 1807 > MY name is James Dodge, my mother being the White line. > What information I found was, letters in a bureau handed down to my mother, > they were written in code to a Phebe White probably the love of his life. > With some help from my uncle we were able to decode most of the writing. > The letters begin in 1834 he is teaching school some where > Then in Nov 1835 he is writing from Paris, Bourbon Co.KY > Still teaching school > The last letter I have was from the same area written in 1838 > Apparent she had told him that she was going to marry a Gilmond Brown, and I > did find on the Internet a Phebe White married to a Gilmond Brown. > He said he was coming back to Vermont (by the canals of the time). > I believe he probably went back to the KY area, and may have continued > teaching. At this point I cannot seem to find any more information. > So if any one out there has any information on Ayers White I would appreciate > hearing from you. > Thanks > James Dodge > vt1929@aol.com

Wow, what a great idea! Never even occured to me. I've the information on my Grandmother (Willie or Wilma White), so that would be a great place to start. Thanks again. Suz

In a message dated 2/6/2000 7:30:26 AM Pacific Standard Time, Mjboon@aol.com writes: << Suz, I found Eckie White b. Oct 26, 1881 d. July 18, 1972 buried in Highland Cemetery Durant Ok Bryan Co with Bess Rains White b. Oct 13, 1889 d. Oct 6, 1964. They are buried in plot # 0454 W I also found Irene White b. Oct 14, 1887 d. July 31, 1902 Nannie D. White b. Dec 25, 1847 d. Dec 25, 1928 Philip Aubrey White b. Jan 26, 1883 d. March 28, 1935 >> Mary, Eckie and Bess Rains are my relations, so this is really great news. I'm not sure who Irene or the others are, could be related or not. You say they're really buried in the same or close to the same plot as Eckie? Thanks, Suz

>>>William T. White buried in Highland Cemetery, Durant Ok Bryan Co. with b. August 1, 1887 d. Feb 15, 1947. However he is buried in a different plot 1586W with a Clara B. White b. Nov 5, 1891 d. Jan 20, 1981.>>> Thanks Mary, Not sure of the William, mine was reputed to be born on August 31 1880, which is close, and we all know the way things change. I'll look into it more. Thanks again for all your help. If he is the same, it will be more info. as I don't currently know if he married or not. Thanks again, Suz

Looking for information on Ayers (or Ayer) White. Born in Newbury Vermont abt. 1807 His father was also Ayer (without the s) Mother was Hannah Carter My computer program tells me he is a first cousin 4 times removed, our common ancestor Ebenezer White b. 1731 d. 1807 MY name is James Dodge, my mother being the White line. What information I found was, letters in a bureau handed down to my mother, they were written in code to a Phebe White probably the love of his life. With some help from my uncle we were able to decode most of the writing. The letters begin in 1834 he is teaching school some where Then in Nov 1835 he is writing from Paris, Bourbon Co.KY Still teaching school The last letter I have was from the same area written in 1838 Apparent she had told him that she was going to marry a Gilmond Brown, and I did find on the Internet a Phebe White married to a Gilmond Brown. He said he was coming back to Vermont (by the canals of the time). I believe he probably went back to the KY area, and may have continued teaching. At this point I cannot seem to find any more information. So if any one out there has any information on Ayers White I would appreciate hearing from you. Thanks James Dodge vt1929@aol.com

Greetings from New Zealand, I am seeking WHITE family members to help a friend, who may be distantly related to my family. This WHITE family came from Co. Down in Ireland, and later moved to Belfast. We are presently researching the forebears of two sisters - Louisa WHITE who married James SKELLY, and Maude WHITE (1898-1988) , who with her parents came to New Zealand. Maude married a man called CHRISTINI. Louisa WHITE and her husband James SKELLY left Ireland and went to live in Canada - the present family are in Oakville Ontario. I realise that this is extremely little to go on, but if there is sks who recognises this family, we would love to her from you.