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    1. [WHITE] Australia
    2. Joan Norstedt
    3. This e-mail is not true. It is a hoax. On Dec 12, 2003, at 5:26 PM, Polly Rash wrote: Subject: Australia

    12/12/2003 11:01:42
    1. [WHITE] Re: WHITE-D Digest V03 #180
    2. Walter McClendon
    3. Re: John WHITE At present all I know is that he was in North Carolina and then in Louisiana before the Civil War. Will start checking a possible migration route via Alabama. Don't know where your HARTs came from, but our family is also researching their origins in the northeast Texas area--specifically, Sarah Jane HART and her sister Nannie Hart Greer. Thanks for responding Frankie ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 3:19 AM To: [email protected] Subject: WHITE-D Digest V03 #180 Content-Type: text/plain WHITE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 180 Today's Topics: #1 [WHITE] John WHITE - 1887 - Burnt- [[email protected]] Administrivia: To unsubscribe from WHITE-D, send a message to [email protected] that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. ______________________________

    12/10/2003 09:27:28
    1. [WHITE] John WHITE - 1887 - Burnt-corn Creek, ALABAMA
    2. Hello! I came across the following item in the September 14, 1887 newspaper (on microfilm) called THE ESCAMBIA AND BALDWIN TIMES. It states: "Mr. John White living up Burnt-corn creek informs us that one day last week he killed an alligator seven feet in length, one rattlesnake................" I was wondering if this could be John A. WHITE who was born at South Carolina in the 1820's (most likely) and migrated to Southwestern Alabama. The John White I am searching for married Eliza A. HART and they were the parents of Jehaza WHITE Kitchen. If you are researching John Whites of Southwestern Alabama, I hope you will get in touch- thanks! Patricia

    12/08/2003 08:16:06
    1. [WHITE] John White (DOB Between 1810 - 1813)
    2. Rebecca Bannister
    3. Good evening, My name is Rebecca Bannister. I am a descendant of John White. (Could there be a harder name to research? John Smith or John Doe perhaps??!!!) John was born in North Carolina between 1810 and 1813 based on census records. He probably lived in South Carolina for a time - but I'm not certain of this. From the Carolinas, the family settled first in Hall County, Georgia and finally Pickens County, Georgia. I have encountered conflicting information concerning his wife/wives. Some researchers say he was married to two different women with the last name Pendley, first Jane Pendley, then Anne. Other researchers only list Jane, who was also born in North Carolina in 1823. John's children were: Ira White - about 1848 Steve White - about 1849 Alonzo White - 1851 Martha White - 1854 Jesse White - 1856 Webster White - 1861 I would love to hear from anyone else researching this line. I am a descendant of Jesse White through his son, James. I've really hit a brick wall when it comes to my White line since I don't know where in North Carolina John was born. In the 1880 census, both his parents' birthplaces were listed as North Carolina as well. Happy Hunting! Rebecca Bannister <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] [email protected]

    12/05/2003 03:55:00
    1. Re: [WHITE] My South Carolina White file
    2. Barry Wetherington
    3. David, Go to the Archives here for all you shared w/the List - you did share that Tree w/the List? http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/white.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Middleton Edelen II" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, December 05, 2003 7:08 PM Subject: [WHITE] My South Carolina White file | Hello all, | I sent my White Family file to a few people on the White/rootsweb thing over the last few months. My White line I put together more or less started with Col. Henry White (Rev War) in Spartanburg and ended with me and my sons. If anyone remembers that file or by chance saved it, please send me a copy back to me. My disc my files were on got messed up and now I am trying to recover some of my files. | Thanks, | David Edelen | Millbrook, Al. | | | ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== | WHITE LIST ADMINISTRATOR | <[email protected]> |

    12/05/2003 01:55:30
    1. [WHITE] TRADE Chicago IL obit lookups for ones I need
    2. James Dlask
    3. Am willing to do Chicago IL Tribune obit lookups in trade for obit lookups that I need. All obits that I need are for my relatives. I need obit lookups for the following White, Abigail Stebbins d) 12/09/1850 White, Anne Loomis d) 06/18/1807 in CT-Andover, Tolland Co White, Curtis Eugene d) 1/24/1963 in CA-Eureka, Humboldt Co White, Elva Gardner d) 6/28/1995 in ID-Idaho Falls, Bonneville Co White, Eugene Curtiss d) 1/24/1963 in CA-Eureka, Humboldt Co White, Howard Ray d) 5/14/1991 in CA-Livermore, Alameda Co White, Joel d) 12/27/1809 White, Judith Coombes d) 5/15/1981 in CA-Tracy, San Joaquin Co White, Leon Wallace d) 6/16/1994 White, Leroy Curtis d) 2/15/1992 in NV-Las Vegas, Clark Co White, Luther d) 04/13/1850 White, Martin d) 11/20/1836 White, Mary Terry d) 11/04/1804 White, Mercy Cooley d) 07/17/1834 White, Preserved d) 06/08/1823 in MA-Springfield, Hampden Co White, Preserved d) 09/10/1832 White, Sarah Aldous d) Abt. 1966 in NY-Granville, Washington Co White, Sarah Chaffee d) 07/30/1822 White, Theodore Howard d) 6/26/1987 in ID-Idaho Falls, Bonneville Co PLEASE EMAIL ME PRIVATELY AT [email protected] Jim Dlask 4538 N Avers Chicago IL 60625

    12/05/2003 01:46:02
    1. [WHITE] My South Carolina White file
    2. David Middleton Edelen II
    3. Hello all, I sent my White Family file to a few people on the White/rootsweb thing over the last few months. My White line I put together more or less started with Col. Henry White (Rev War) in Spartanburg and ended with me and my sons. If anyone remembers that file or by chance saved it, please send me a copy back to me. My disc my files were on got messed up and now I am trying to recover some of my files. Thanks, David Edelen Millbrook, Al.

    12/05/2003 11:08:10
    1. [WHITE] Scotch-Irish Gen Research & MUCH more
    2. Barry Wetherington
    3. Hi Allen & fellow researchers, If there is any possibility that your Gen research could have any connection to this body (11 books) of Genealogical research: ("Scotland, to Londonderry-Donegal in Ulster, to Pennsylvania, the valley of Virginia, east Tennessee and points west", etc), this could be a VERY significant opportunity. At the risk of misleading you and thereby causing loss of interest in one whale of a gold strike, this is perhaps the finest msg of avail in-depth Gen reserach (from the White-L List, by NC researcher Robert Cowan) I've ever read! If you don't consider the very generous offer by Robt, regrets may be in store. Barry Wetherington ========================= Brief intro EXCERPTS from below FYI - "For many years I [Robert Cowan, 525 Harrogate Rd., Matthews, North Carolina 28105] have shared my genealogical research with the folks on the COWAN, WIGTON-WALKER, and SCOTCH-IRISH rootsweb lists. The trail leads from Sterling, in Scotland, to Londonderry-Donegal in Ulster, to Pennsylvania, the valley of Virginia, east Tennessee and points west. If your ancestors followed a similar path then some of these documents might be of interest. I have searched for rare, out of print source materials as both a hobby and an obsession and have offered to make copies for people from time to time. Because of a busy schedule I will only be able to do so once a year. I have added two new items since last time and they are described with the others below beginning with the most recent history first: Castle's Woods: Frontier Virginia Settlement, 1769-1799, a thesis . . . by James W. Hagy, 1966, 150 pages. covering Russell and Scott counties, Virginia when it was considered the frontier. . . . . specific families as well as the farmers, speculators, artisans, and preachers who resided there. Lots on the Indian battles that were a daily feature of life on the frontier. Tthe Tinkling Spring: . . .1732-1952, . . . Fisherville, Virginia, 542 pages. . . . BEST source of information on the Scotch-Irish of Augusta/Rockbridge Counties in Virginia. . . . In-depth study of the early families of the Shenandoah Valley. . . . . . . . . ." [A few more excerpts from below. bw]: "...almost 100% pure family history and genealogy" "...these two sources contain more actual genealogical information than any others I have seen" ". . . over 12,000 genealogical sketches" . . . . . . . . ========================= [Entire email msg below:] Greetings fellow researchers, "For many years I [Robert Cowan, 525 Harrogate Rd., Matthews, North Carolina 28105] have shared my genealogical research with the folks on the COWAN, WIGTON-WALKER, and SCOTCH-IRISH rootsweb lists. The trail leads from Sterling, in Scotland, to Londonderry-Donegal in Ulster, to Pennsylvania, the valley of Virginia, east Tennessee and points west. If your ancestors followed a similar path then some of these documents might be of interest. I have searched for rare, out of print source materials as both a hobby and an obsession and have offered to make copies for people from time to time. Because of a busy schedule I will only be able to do so once a year. I have added two new items since last time and they are described with the others below beginning with the most recent history first: Castle's Woods: Frontier Virginia Settlement, 1769-1799, a thesis presented to the Faculty of the Department of History, East Tennessee State University in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of Master of Arts, by James W. Hagy, 1966, 150 pages. This covers the families who settled in Russell and Scott counties, Virginia when it was considered the frontier. Contains information on specific families as well as the farmers, speculators, artisans, and preachers who resided there. Lots on the Indian battles that were a daily feature of life on the frontier. Tthe Tinkling Spring: Headwater of Freedom, A Study of the Church and Her People, 1732-1952, by Howard McKnight Wilson, 1954, Fisherville, Virginia, 542 pages. The BEST source of information on the Scotch-Irish of Augusta/Rockbridge Counties in Virginia. Includes the Baptismal Records of the Rev. Craig. In-depth study of the early families of the Shenandoah Valley. Rockbridge County, Virginia Notebook, Compiled from articles by Dr. George W. Diehl as published in the News-Gazette, Lexington, Virginia. Compiled by A. Maxim Coppage, McDowell Publications, 1982, 242 pages. "In many instances information may be found showing where families originated in Scotland or Ireland, the places lived before settling in Rockbridge County, Virginia area and relationships between the various clans or as Mr. Diehl so aptly named this phase of pioneering, "A ROCKBRIDGE SEED-BOX" This document is almost 100% pure family history and genealogy. The Rev. Samuel Houston, V.D.M., by George West Diehl, 1970, McClure Publishing Co. 125 pages History of the early Virginia Presbyterians through the life of the Rev. Samuel Houston, kin to Sam Houston of Texas fame. A Tribute to the Principles, Virtues, Habits and Public Usefulness of the Irish and Scotch Early Settlers of Pennsylvania, Chambersburg, Pa. Printed by M. Kiefer & Co. 1856, 171 pages. From the preface the following: "The writer of the Tribute contained in this work, had long desired to see from the Historical publications in Pennsylvania, a vindication of the character and principles of the Irish and Scotch early settlers of this great state and their descendants against reproach, as well as aspersion, cast upon them in some modern publications having pretensions to Historical accuracy... The Scotch-Irish in the Colonies: 1750-1790: A Thesis Presented for the Degree of Master of Arts, by Kathryn R. Aiken, A.B., The Ohio State University, 1933, 91 pages Chapters include: By way of Introduction, Early Settlements, Daily Life on the Frontier, Educational and Religious Activities, military Pursuits, Political Participation and Conclusion. Like Hagy's Castle Woods thesis it has a wonderful bibliography, the most important part of any research document. The Laggan and its Presbyterianism and In the Days of the Laggan Presbytery, 1905, 1908, by the Rev. Alexander Lecky, B.A., member of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland, Belfast, Davidson and McCormack, 54 Kings St. 211 pages On our recent trip to Donegal we met J.B. Shannon, age 90, who assisted in the 1975 reprinting of this book. He is the last living person who had anything to do with these books and he says they are still the BEST source for Ulster Presbyterian research. From Lecky the following: "The lists of names of former generations of Lagganeers, and their places of abode, that are given in the Appendixes, and which NEVER before appeared in print, whilst they may of necessity prove dull reading to those who have no acquaintance with the locality, will not, I hope, be altogether uninteresting to those who bear the same name, or live in the same places.... A History of the Siege of Londonderry and Defense of Enniskellen in 1688 and 1689, with Historical Poetry and Biographical notes, by the Rev. John Graham, M.A. Rector of Magilligan in the Diocese of Derry. Includes the Battles of the Boyne, Athlone, and Aughrim and the siege and Capitulation of Limmerick by Lord McCaulay, Toronto, 1869 The historical poems are family genealogies about those who were at Derry and where they came from. Along with "Fighters of Derry" these two sources contain more actual genealogical information than any others I have seen. Fighters of Derry, Their Deeds and Descendants, being a Chronicle of Events in Ireland during the Revolutionary period, 1688-1691, by William Young, Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, 350 pages. One of the most difficult sources to locate. (WorldCat Inter-Library lists seven known copies) Months worth of reading and packed with great genealogy. Contains the following biographical sketches: 1. The leaders of the County Associations who, with their levies, took part in the preliminary operations and contributed much of the man power for the Defence. 2. The Apprentice Boys and those responsible for shutting the gates on the 8th Dec. 1688. 3. The actual Defenders during the 105 day siege ((over 12000 genealogical sketches) 4. Those engaged in the relief of the city. Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Being More Particularly an Account of the Family of Young of Culdaff with Short Accounts of Many Other Families Connected with Them, by Amy Young, The Linenhall Press, Belfast, 1929, 311 pages Some of the names included are Young, Hart, Harvey, Cary, Vaughan, McLaughlin, Skipton, Richardson, Knox, Ussher, Smith, Nesbitt, Chichester, Ball, Lawrence, Crofton, Boyd, Stuart and many others. The Laggan and its People, by S.M. Campbell, privately printed. Ms. Campbell lived on the next farm over from my friend James Fleming in St. Johnston, Donegal. A look at the history of the Laggan (Presbyterian Derry/Donegal) through the eyes of a local historian. Draws on local lore, Abercorn papers, records from PRONI. Well there you have it. The best documents I have found during my ten years of research. If you are interested in obtaining any of the above items please contact me privately for details. I do charge to recover copying and postage costs which is permissible under rootsweb policy. Regards, Robert Cowan 525 Harrogate Rd. Matthews, North Carolina 28105 ========================= Barry ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== WHITE LIST ADMINISTRATOR <[email protected]>

    12/04/2003 08:50:28
    1. [WHITE] Scotch-Irish Genealogical Research Materials
    2. Greetings fellow researchers,   For many years I have shared my genealogical research with the folks on the COWAN, WIGTON-WALKER, and SCOTCH-IRISH rootsweb lists.    The trail leads from Sterling, in Scotland, to Londonderry-Donegal in Ulster, to    Pennsylvania, the valley of Virginia, east Tennessee and points west.    If your ancestors followed a similar path then some of these documents might be of interest.    I have searched for rare, out of print source materials as both a hobby and an obsession and have offered to make copies for people from time to time.    Because of a busy schedule I will only be able to do so once a year. I have added two new items since last time and they are described with the others below beginning with the most recent history first:   Castle's Woods:    Frontier Virginia Settlement, 1769-1799, a thesis presented to the Faculty of the Department    of History, East Tennessee State University in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Degree of Master of Arts, by James W. Hagy, 1966, 150 pages.          This covers the families who settled in Russell and Scott counties, Virginia when it was considered the frontier.    Contains information on specific families as well as the farmers, speculators, artisans, and preachers who resided there.    Lots on the Indian battles that were a daily feature of life on the frontier.   Tthe Tinkling Spring:    Headwater of Freedom, A Study of the Church and Her People, 1732-1952, by Howard McKnight Wilson, 1954, Fisherville, Virginia, 542 pages.           The BEST source of information on the Scotch-Irish of Augusta/Rockbridge Counties in Virginia.    Includes the Baptismal Records of the Rev. Craig.    In-depth study of the early families of the Shenandoah Valley.   Rockbridge County, Virginia Notebook, Compiled from articles by Dr. George W. Diehl as published in the News-Gazette, Lexington, Virginia.    Compiled by A. Maxim Coppage, McDowell Publications, 1982, 242 pages.           "In many instances information may be found showing where families originated in Scotland or Ireland, the places lived before settling in Rockbridge County, Virginia area and relationships between the various clans or as Mr. Diehl so aptly named this phase of pioneering, "A ROCKBRIDGE SEED-BOX" This document is almost 100% pure family history and genealogy. The Rev. Samuel Houston, V.D.M., by George West Diehl, 1970, McClure Publishing Co. 125 pages      History of the early Virginia Presbyterians through the life of the Rev. Samuel Houston, kin to Sam Houston of Texas fame.   A Tribute to the Principles, Virtues, Habits and Public Usefulness of the Irish and Scotch Early Settlers of Pennsylvania, Chambersburg, Pa. Printed by M. Kiefer & Co. 1856, 171 pages.           From the preface the following:    "The writer of the Tribute contained in this work, had long desired to see from the Historical publications in Pennsylvania, a vindication of the character and principles of the Irish and Scotch early settlers of this great state and their descendants against reproach, as well as aspersion, cast upon them in some modern publications having pretensions to Historical accuracy... The Scotch-Irish in the Colonies:    1750-1790:    A Thesis Presented for the Degree of Master of Arts, by Kathryn R. Aiken, A.B., The Ohio State University, 1933, 91 pages         Chapters include:    By way of Introduction, Early Settlements, Daily Life on the Frontier, Educational and Religious Activities, Military Pursuits, Political Participation and Conclusion.    Like Hagy's Castle Woods thesis it has a wonderful bibliography, the most important part of any research document.   The Laggan and its Presbyterianism and In the Days of the Laggan Presbytery, 1905, 1908, by the Rev. Alexander Lecky, B.A., member of the Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland, Belfast, Davidson and McCormack, 54 Kings St.    211 pages           On our recent trip to Donegal we met J.B. Shannon, age 90, who assisted in the 1975 reprinting of this book.    He is the last living person who had anything to do with these books and he says they are still the BEST source for Ulster Presbyterian research.    From Lecky the following:    "The lists of names of former generations of Lagganeers, and their places of abode, that are given in the Appendixes, and which NEVER before appeared in print, whilst they may of necessity prove dull reading to those who have no acquaintance with the locality, will not, I hope, be altogether uninteresting to those who bear the same name, or live in the same places....   A History of the Siege of Londonderry and Defense of Enniskellen in 1688 and 1689, with Historical Poetry and Biographical notes, by the Rev. John Graham, M.A. Rector of Magilligan in the Diocese of Derry.    Includes the Battles of the Boyne, Athlone, and Aughrim and the siege and Capitulation of Limmerick by Lord McCaulay, Toronto, 1869           The historical poems are family genealogies about those who were at Derry and where they came from.    Along with "Fighters of Derry" these two sources contain more actual genealogical information than any others I have seen.   Fighters of Derry, Their Deeds and Descendants, being a Chronicle of Events in Ireland during the Revolutionary period, 1688-1691, by William Young, Eyre and Spottiswoode, London, 350 pages.           One of the most difficult sources to locate. (WorldCat Inter-Library lists seven known copies)    Months worth of reading and packed with great genealogy.    Contains the following biographical sketches:           1.    The leaders of the County Associations who, with their levies, took part in the preliminary operations and contributed much of the man power for the Defence.      2.     The Apprentice Boys and those responsible for shutting the gates on the 8th Dec. 1688.      3.     The actual Defenders during the 105 day siege ((over 12000 genealogical sketches)      4.     Those engaged in the relief of the city.   Three Hundred Years in Innishowen, Being More Particularly an Account of the Family of Young of Culdaff with Short Accounts of Many Other Families Connected with Them, by Amy Young, The Linenhall Press, Belfast, 1929, 311 pages           Some of the names included are Young, Hart, Harvey, Cary, Vaughan, McLaughlin, Skipton, Richardson, Knox, Ussher, Smith, Nesbitt, Chichester, Ball, Lawrence, Crofton, Boyd, Stuart and many others. The Laggan and its People, by S.M. Campbell, privately printed.              Ms. Campbell lived on the next farm over from my friend James Fleming in St. Johnston, Donegal.    A look at the history of the Laggan (Presbyterian Derry/Donegal) through the eyes of a local historian.    Draws on local lore, Abercorn papers, records from PRONI.   Well there you have it.    The best documents I have found during my ten years of research.    If you are interested in obtaining any of the above items please contact me privately for details.    I do charge to recover copying and postage costs which is permissible under rootsweb policy. Regards, Robert Cowan 525 Harrogate Rd. Matthews, North Carolina 28105

    12/04/2003 04:46:08
    1. [WHITE] Jefferson Thomas WHITE b. 1874 IA
    2. Looking for some information on the family of Jefferson Thomas WHITE b. 1874 IA & Lovinnia WOODS b. 1874 Jackson Co.AR.   They were m. bef 1911.  They had 5 children:  J.T.WHITE, Kenneth Lee WHITE, Andrew WHITE, Ollie WHITE and Susan WHITE.   I know that the family living in Smithville,AR from 1911 - 1919 as their children were born there then.  Later on the family moved to an area outside of Blytheville, AR, HalfMoon.    Any information on this family is welcome. thanks, N.J.Skinner White [email protected] <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/vwhite0901/myhomepage/heritage.html">My Family Tree Page</A> "Remember the days of old; consider the generations long past." (Deuteronomy 32:7a)

    12/02/2003 04:32:07
    1. [WHITE] William W. White
    2. Dottie
    3. Does anyone have a WILLIAM W. WHITE (b. in PA. according to the 1870 MO. census) who married a Selina SIMMONS in Elkhard, Indiana in 1846? Dottie in Calif.

    12/02/2003 04:07:53
    1. Re: [WHITE] Eleanor White d/o Gov John White 1587
    2. OOPs I didn't read far enough. John was the govenor of Roanoke North Carolina! Sorry, Paul. On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:59:48 -0500 "Marsha Hamilton" <[email protected]> writes: > Do either of you know if these White's connect with the Charlotte > Co., Va > White's? > Thank you > Marsha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Wetherington" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:37 PM > Subject: [WHITE] Eleanor White d/o Gov John White 1587 > > > > Hello John, > > > > I just joined here seeking Chuck Gleeson (or his research), the > Genealogist that researched the Gov John White line back to the > 1087s. Any > ideas? I need that for my research of the Lost Colony Eleanor White > m/o US > first citizen VA Dare & d/o UK Gov John White 1587. > > > > Regards, > > > > Barry Wetherington > > PS: I do have the Sir Walter Raleigh ordered Arms/ Crest of John > White and > of each of his titled managers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John White > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:45 PM > > Subject: white family > > > > > > Dear White Family Researcher: > > > > I have Essex Co., England Whites which are of my ancestral line. > I > would love to see the pedigree of your Chelmsford Whites to 1087. I > have my > line from England to 1041. Does your line get out of Essex Co.? > Would like > to know where... > > > > Hope to hear from you. > > > > Best, John White > > > > > > ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== > > WHITE LIST ADMINISTRATOR > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== > WHITE LIST ADMINISTRATOR > <[email protected]> > > Be ye fishers of men. You catch them - He'll clean them.

    11/30/2003 01:57:27
    1. Re: [WHITE] Eleanor White d/o Gov John White 1587
    2. Marsha, I find in our family history book, that John White was govenor of Roahoke. I believe that is in Virginia. If so, that would make the answer to your question a yes. The John White I refer to, is the father of a Virgnia Dare. Does this help, or did you already have an answer? Paul P. On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 08:59:48 -0500 "Marsha Hamilton" <[email protected]> writes: > Do either of you know if these White's connect with the Charlotte > Co., Va > White's? > Thank you > Marsha > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Barry Wetherington" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:37 PM > Subject: [WHITE] Eleanor White d/o Gov John White 1587 > > > > Hello John, > > > > I just joined here seeking Chuck Gleeson (or his research), the > Genealogist that researched the Gov John White line back to the > 1087s. Any > ideas? I need that for my research of the Lost Colony Eleanor White > m/o US > first citizen VA Dare & d/o UK Gov John White 1587. > > > > Regards, > > > > Barry Wetherington > > PS: I do have the Sir Walter Raleigh ordered Arms/ Crest of John > White and > of each of his titled managers. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John White > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 9:45 PM > > Subject: white family > > > > > > Dear White Family Researcher: > > > > I have Essex Co., England Whites which are of my ancestral line. > I > would love to see the pedigree of your Chelmsford Whites to 1087. I > have my > line from England to 1041. Does your line get out of Essex Co.? > Would like > to know where... > > > > Hope to hear from you. > > > > Best, John White > > > > > > ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== > > WHITE LIST ADMINISTRATOR > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== > WHITE LIST ADMINISTRATOR > <[email protected]> > > Be ye fishers of men. You catch them - He'll clean them.

    11/30/2003 01:52:23
    1. [WHITE] !! Connaught Journal; Apr 8, 1824 "Will of Luke White"
    2. Cathy Joynt Labath
    3. THE CONNAUGHT JOURNAL Galway,Thursday, April 8, 1824 WILL OF LUKE WHITE, ESQ. (From the Weekly Globe) The remains of this Gentleman, one of the Representatives for the county of Leitrim, who lately died at his house Park-lane, have been conveyed to Dublin for interment. His property amounted to 30,000l. a year real estate, and 100,000l. in money and securities. This, which remained after the enormous sum of 200,000l. expended upon election, he has bequeathed by will as follows: To his eldest son, Colonel Thomas White, of Woodlands, county of Dublin, who, in 1819 married Juliana, daughter of Viscount Gort, 5,000l. a year. This includes the estate of Buttvell's town, (now Woodlands) near Dublin, purchased from the late Earl of Carhampton, for a sum of 100,000l. To his second son, married to Miss Rothe, 7,000l. a year. To his third son, not married, 4,500l. a year. To his fourth son, Colonel Henry White, not married, the present Representative for the county of Dublin, 13,000l. a year. To his son, by his second wife, 500l. a year for a certain time, and then 10,000 in lieu of that annuity. To his three daughters, 10,000l. each. The marriage settlement on his widow is 1,000l. a year. It is said that his eldest son offended him by refusing to offer himself a candidate for Dublin, with a promise to support the Catholic cause. Mr. White was the artist of his own fortune.- He began his career in Dublin sale clerk to a Mr. Valence, an eminent book auctioneer-then became a bookseller, and afterwards a lottery office keeper. In this latter line he is supposed to have acquired a considerable part of his wealth. When Mr. Corry was Chancellor of the Exchequer for Ireland; Mr. White became the contractor of the Irish loan, on which he paid instalments to the amount of 75,000l. which he forfeited, having thought fit to decline the completion of his bargain. At a critical period of his country, when the public money was exhausted, he came forward and advanced a loan to a considerable amount to Government. Cathy Joynt Labath Ireland Old News http://www.IrelandOldNews.com/

    11/28/2003 12:55:56
    1. [WHITE] SCOTT/STEPHEN/WHITE/GOODFELLOW
    2. vicki murray
    3. Hi, hoping someone will recognise these people. ARHUR HARDIE SCOTT b.1860, St Clement, Dundee, married MARY SMITH STEPHEN 31st Jan 1888,St Pauls, Dundee. She was 21 at the time of the marriage and her parents were JAMES STEPHEN/MARY BURNETT,at the time of his marriage he was 27 and a merchant seaman. His parents were MARGARET RATTRAY/CHARLES SCOTT. I would love to know when ARTHUR HARDIE SCOTT died. It could be Scotland or USA. I'm hoping anyone else may recognise and be able to tell me. Children of ARTHUR SCOTT and MARY STEPHEN were: MARY BURNETT SCOTT b.1891 immigrated to New Zealand and married MICHAEL GOODFELLOW HENRIETTA(Etta) CHESEBOROUGH SCOTT b.1901 married JAMES IRVINE WHITE immigrated to America. OLIVE SCOTT - no details MARTHA SCOTT - no details JAMES (Jim) SCOTT - no details ALMA SCOTT - no details DAISY SCOTT - no details. I have a wonderful copy of a photo of all 7 children. There is also a combined STEHEN/SCOTT photo In it are MARTHA STEPHEN, JOHN STEPHEN, WALTER STEPHEN, a younger MARTHA STEPHEN and some of the above SCOTT family. Thanking you all for your patience in reading this. Vicki New Zealand Until next time..... _________________________________________________________________ Download MSN Messenger @ http://messenger.xtramsn.co.nz - talk to family and friends overseas!

    11/23/2003 07:27:40
    1. [WHITE] JOhn White-Massachusetts
    2. Brent Glad
    3. Searching for information concerning John White, born 13 Mar 1702 at Mendon, Worchester, Mass. He married (1) Sarah (maiden name unknown), and (2) Rachel Benson. He died 1770/1772 at Douglas, Massachusetts. Would like to find the maiden name of Sarah, wife 1. Would love to exchange information on this family.

    11/19/2003 01:13:38
    1. [WHITE] White in North Dublin
    2. Graham Bisset
    3. Hi there, fellow listers! I am looking for information on Patrick White (1), probably born around 1840-1850 and lived in North Dublin, probably Coolock, Donnycarney, Baldoyle or Howth area. He was a labourer. Patrick had a son, also called Patrick White (2) and a second son Peter White, whom I believe was a seaman living in Collins Avenue, Donnycarney. Patrick White (2) was a labourer and watchman, born in Tonagee, Coolock 11 February 1871, who married Anastasia Agnes Haberlin 21 February 1897, again in Dublin. Witness at his marriage was a John White. They had 3 children: Bridget White born 17 January 1898, married John Ita McQueen 19 November 1923, died 1986; Patrick White (3) born circa 1899, died circa 1918, and Christina White, born circa 1902, died 24 December 1919. Patrick White (2) died 15 July 1944 in Donnycarney, Dublin. I believe Patrick White (1) Œs wife lived to be the oldest woman in Howth (at approximately 107 years), and was called Anne (maiden name possibly Fay), according to certificates I have traced so far. I am now seeking further information on Patrick White (1), his wife and family and of course any earlier generations. I would be grateful if anyone has any information or clues on the above. With thanks, Graham Bisset Sutton London UK

    11/16/2003 04:14:48
  1. 11/12/2003 03:14:29
    1. [WHITE] shenandoah rockingham
    2. why are there so many whites? i am looking for an andrew white who married lucinda graham on 6/6/1803, shenandoah co. va. andrew and lucinda had a son issac, born in about 1804. does anyone know who issac's siblings were? or the parents of lucinda graham or andrew white? lynne

    11/12/2003 04:56:27
    1. Re: [WHITE] Gov John White f/o Eleanor m/o Va Dare 1587 d/o Ananias b/o John Dare/Satchfield
    2. Does the following sound familiar to anyone? : Sir Thomas White, English merchant; born. Reading, England, 1492 died Oxford, February 12th, 1567.He engaged in business as a clothier, from 1523 and in 1525 was Master of the Merchant Taylor’s Company. Increasingly prosperous, he made large loans to Coventry and Bristol, and held Civic office as Alderman (1544) and Sheriff of London (1547).In 1533 he helped to promote the Muscovey Company, and in the same year was elected Lord Mayor, in which office he was of assistance to Mary Stuart on her accession to the throne. Thomas was deeply interested in education. He was one of the founders of the Merchant Taylor’s School, and in 1560 he founded ST. John’s college, Oxford. This would have been my Maternal ancester, many "G's" back. 73 Paul Plasters On Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:56:51 -0500 "Barry Wetherington" <[email protected]> writes: > "Gov. John WHITE, who was the Grandfather to Virginia DARE, was born > May 12, > 1540 in Chelmsford, Essex, England and died sometime after February > 4, > 1592/1593 in Newtowne, in Kylmore, Galway, Ireland." > (see below) > > "I have just completed the line of Virginia Dare ancestors > back to > approximately 1087, thru her Grandfather Gov. John White. If anyone > is > interested, please post to this site"? [Chuck Gleason - See messages > below]. > > Hi White Lists, > > The original of this msg didn't seem to reach the White Lists, > > Barry > > QUERY!!!: Is this (below) THE Chuck Gleason (II) [The Old Roots > Searcher] > who had the White ancestryship information, and left us this message: > "I have just completed the line of Virginia Dare ancestors > back to > approximately 1087, thru her Grandfather Gov. John White. If anyone > is > interested, please post to this site"? [See messages below]. > > If so, has someone taken over the Genealogical Quest of Mr > Gleason? Is > son "Charles H. Gleason III of Sylmar, CA. and his wife, Lee of > Albuquerque." the Genealogist? ... or taking over the what seems > very useful > research of Charles (Chuck) H.Gleason II? : > > "Charles H.Gleason II, 86, a resident of Albuquerque passed > away on > August 3, 2003. He was born Feb 17, 1917 in Scotts Bluff, Nebraska to > Charles Herbert Gleason and Hazel Pauline Martin Gleason. A graduate > of USC > University of Southern Cal and served with the Dept of the Navy > during the > war. For many years Mr. Gleason owned and operated saw mills and > lumber > mills in Washington and Oregon states. Charles was an avid and > accomplished > sailor and spent many years on the water. Charles is survived by one > son, > Charles H. Gleason III of Sylmar, CA. and by his wife, Lee of > Albuquerque. > Cremation will occur and scattering of the ashes will take place in > California later this year." > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GLEASON/2003-08/1060574732 > > Barry Wetherington > [email protected] & [email protected] > Birmingham MI 48009 > > =================== > Hi Kim Power & Syd Satchfield; (& Chuck Gleason) (This is a large > msg - > hope > it fits in the size constraints of Rootweb) > > Re: Robert Satchfeild & John Dare (s/o Ananias Dare b/o VA Dare d/o > Eleanor White w/o John White leader of the Lost Colony 1587) > (discussed by > Chuck Gleason - see at the bottom) ; > Va Dare 1587 d/o Ananias b/o John Dare/Satchfield Gov White > Ancestors > > (& Chuck Gleason [[email protected]] - VERY MUCH > like your > VA > Dare ancestors - very important for our Dare-L Rootsweb List, see > our > Archives (FREE) at: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/d/dare.html) > > ===================== > > Re: Robert Satchfeild & John Dare (s/o Ananias Dare b/o VA Dare d/o > Eleanor > White w/o John White leader of the Lost Colony (discussed by Chuck > Gleason - > see at the bottom) > > Kim, Thank you for your thorough reply. You will make me work, > but this > is potentially important and interesting. > > Barry Wetherington, > Birmingham Michigan 48009 > PS: If anyone can fwd this on to Chuck Gleason, please do so w/my > enthusiastic 'THANKS". > > ====================== > Message Just Received Follows - > > Re: Va Dare 1587 d/o Ananias, b/o John Dare/Satchfield/Satchfeild > (note 2 > possible spellings. bw) > Posted by: Kim Power (ID *****8834) Date: November 07, 2003 at > 18:10:51 > In Reply to: Va Dare 1587 d/o Ananias, b/o John Dare by Barry > Wetherington > of 312 > http://genforum.genealogy.com/dare/messages/312.html > > Syd Satchfield and myself, (my grandmother was a Satchfield), are > tracing our english Satchfield line. Syd has traced a lot of the > early > information and we have got back as far as the late 1600's with a > possible > link to Gilbert Satchfield (about 1527 - 1576). > ~~~~~~~~~~ > [Insert by Barry bw 11/8/03 - Important New UK research resources > have just > come online - go here: > -You can now download Free more data from the The National (UK) > Archives, more than a million documents, from UK databases - to > include, as > ONE EXAMPLE of many, search and on DocumentsOnline download all > Prerogative > Court of Canterbury wills. They cover the period from 1384 to 1858. > Searching the index is free and you can search by first and last > name, > place, occupation and date. It costs UK £3 to download a digital > image of a > will in PDF format. (This is not an intuitive site to use, and the > Link URL > is weird looking: > > > http://64.4.8.250/cgi-bin/linkrd?_lang=EN&lah=6040994ab1b3a5d4913a478fe2e c3355&lat=1068238714&hm___action=http%3a%2f%2fwww%2edocumentsonline%2epro %2egov%2euk%2fdefault%2easp > > (remember to insure the entire Link is pasted into the Window - or > double > click directly on this Link above) > *** Persevere & you will be rewarded!. > & > perhaps just as important and much easier, the 2d UK site: > NO!!http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk/FamHist.htm NO!!! > A2A has a new URL! Please use http://www.a2a.org.uk next time you > visit!] > 2 catalogues were found to match satchfield > Shown below are catalogues 1 to 2 (of 2) > Search Satchfield: > * Devon Record Office: Sowton Parish 1639-1963 > 2 > hit(s) > * Devon Record Office: Withycombe Raleigh Parish 1657-1860 1 > hit(s) > > http://www.a2a.org.uk/search/doclist.asp?nb=0&com=1&keyword=satchfield > (zero for 'Satchfeild' here) > > ====================== > "the Dare-White marriage at St. Bride's ... October 1587" > . . . . . . . . > Ananias Dare of St. Bride Parish, after an absence of seven years, > was > legally declared to have died overseas. A number of twentieth century > sources name St. Bride's as being the site of the marriage of > Ananias Dare > and Elinor White, future parents of Virginia Dare, the first English > child > born in America. This notion apparently is based on THE PHOENIX OF > FLEET > STREET, 2000 YEARS OF ST. BRIDE'S a book published in 1973 by the > then > rector of the parish. Since the Probate Acts naming Ananias as a > parishoner > had come to light in the late 1950's, the "American Connection" no > doubt > stimulating a bit of interest and excitement, the Dare-White > marriage at St. > Bride's would seem to represent a leap of faith rather than a known > fact. > Entries in the St. Bride's Parish Register at the Guildhall in > London beain > eaith October 1587. Therefore, it is not possible that the marriage > is > documented therein since Ananias and > Elinor had been on Roanoke for seven months by that time and indeed, > Virginia Dare had been born in August. A register pre-dating the one > currently kept at the Guildhall is not known to exist and a record > of the > Dare-White union has not been found in other parish registers or in > London > marriage indexes. While it is possible that the marriage took place > at St. > Bride's, our current research casts more than a reasonable doubt on > the > probability. It is far more likely that the marriage took place at > the > bride's church or perhaps at a country home, which according to > other parish > and marriage records, seemed to be the prevailing custom of the day. > . . . . . . > ..."grants of arms to the colony's Governor John White " (I have > these > arms. bw 11/10/03) > Ananias Dare in the Grant of Arms to the City of Raleigh: When Sir > Walter > Raleigh, acting under the charter granted him by the Queen on 25 > March 1584, > incorporated the Governor and Assistants of the City of Raleigh in > Virginia, > he procured from William Dethick, Garter Principal King of Arms a > grant of > arms for his new city. Within this grant were incorporated > individual grants > of arms to the colony's Governor John White and to his Asssistants, > one of > whom was his son-in-lava Ananias Dare. The actual grant has > disappeared but > three drafts survive - thanks to William Dethick whose custom it was > to make > several drafts of his grants. Two of the surviving drafts are owned > by the > College of Arms in London and one by Queen's College, oxford. > Whether or not > the grant was actually made is not known but it seems highly > probable that > it was. Since three drafts survive, at least that number were > prepared, each > more definitive than the last, fees ,-muld have been paid and > therefore, a > firm intention to grant had existed. > > The heraldry contained therein is ambiguous and leaves many > questions > unanswered. From the College of Arms Vincent Manuscript, Volume 157, > Folio > 397: > ' . . . . Ananyas Dare (a feelde gules') his heires offspring and > posterity > forever, these Armes or Ensignes of Honor following: Viz. a feelde > gules, A > cross engrailed between Four Fusils Argent." > > The fusils argent on a field gules which appear on the Governor's > [White] > and all the Assistant's arms are an unmistakable reference to the > arms of > Sir Walter Raleigh. However, study of individual arms clearly depict > heraldic charges > not based on the Raleigh arms. For example, the arms of Simon > Fernando > contain an obvious reference to his profession of mariner, two bars > wavy > azure. It would therefore seem possible that King of Arms Dethick > incorporated personal and individual charges into the arms of other > Assistants, perhaps not as immediately obvious as Fernando's, that > reflects > their respective trades, guilds or family connections. The arms of > George > Howe, Roanoke Assistant incorporates three wolves heads couped. The > will of > John Howe, Grocer of London who died in 1574, contains a marginal > sketch of > his arms incorporating three almost identical couped wolves heads. A > definite link between the Grocer and the ill-fated Roanoke Assistant > has not > been made as yet, but the similar Howe heraldry must be more than > coincidental. > > In the case of Ananias Dare, the silver fusils and red field are an > obvious > refernce to Raleigh but there are no readily discernable clues to the > Assistant's family identity or heraldic reference to his guild, the > Bricklayer-Tilers. While crosses are quite common in heraldry, only > Ananias > Dare and Roger Bailey have them incorporated into their arms, a cross > engrailed for the former and a cross pattee for the latter. Also > noteworthy > is the fact that the name of Dare always follows Bailey's in both > the Grant > of Arms and Hakluyt's listing of Assistants. Moreover, Bailey and > Dare are > the two Assistant names that always follow the name of Governor John > White. > Was the incorporation of a cross for both the Bailey and Dare arms > simply a > matter of random choice, coincidental personal preference, or was > there some > significance to the choice, perhaps and indication of an Assistant > "pecking > order." The possibility of a Dare-Bailey link is further > strengthened by the > occurence of the christian names "ANANIAS" and "SACKFEILD" in the > Bailey > line during the first quarter of the 17th century in parishes > bordering on > or close to St. Bride's. (IGI) Dare of Norfolk Arms... also > Satchfeild and > Nokes. EXPAND. > > > > Continuing in Grant of Arms: " ....consitute made and appointed > John White > of London, Gentleman, to be chief governor there and Roger Baily, > Ananyas > Dare, Christopher Cooper William Full:aood, Roger Pratt, Dyonise > Harvey, > John Nicholls, George Howe . . . . . . . . . &. . . . . . . . . . . > London, > Gentlemen to be twelve assistants there. . . " It is not known with > any > degree of certainty whether or not Ananias Dare was a "gentleman" in > the > social context of the 16th century or given the title to lend > dignity to his > role as an assistant to the governor. > ....... > > D:\DATA\DATFMMIC\PERSONAL\GENEALGY\WETHERIN\WITHER\DARE\ANANIAS2.WPD > July > 11, 2000 12:51PM > ... > ============ > "Gov. John WHITE, who was the Grandfather to Virginia DARE, he was > born May > 12, 1540 in Chelmsford, Essex, England and died sometime after > February 4, > 1592/1593 in Newtowne, in Kylmore, Galway, Ireland." > http://genforum.genealogy.com/dare/messages/236.html > > Virginia Dare 1587 - 1st American Born > Posted by: Chuck GleasonDate: March 21, 2001 at 16:21:20 of 312 > I have just completed the line of Virginia Dare ancestors back to > approximately 1087, thru her Grandfather Gov. John White. If anyone > is > interested, please post to this site. > http://genforum.genealogy.com/dare/messages/140.html > . . . . . . > Re: Virginia DARE, Born 1587 Roanoke Island > Posted by: Chuck GleasonDate: January 16, 2002 at 11:51:31 > In Reply to: Re: Virginia DARE, Born 1587 Roanoke Island by lebame > houston > of 312 > Guess I should get back to this site more often. If you are > referring to > the Gov. John WHITE, who was the Grandfather to Virginia DARE, he > was born > May 12, 1540 in Chelmsford, Essex, England and died sometime after > February > 4, 1592/1593 in Newtowne, in Kylmore, Galway, Ireland. > http://genforum.genealogy.com/dare/messages/236.html > > Re: Virginia Dare 1587 - 1st American Born > Posted by: Chuck Gleason Date: July 02, 2001 at 17:10:22 > In Reply to: Re: Virginia Dare 1587 - 1st American Born by Sheila > Corrall > of 312 > Her fathers name was Ananias DARE, born about 1563. > http://genforum.genealogy.com/dare/messages/178.html > > Re: Virginia Dare 1587 - 1st American Born > Posted by: Chuck GleasonDate: July 01, 2001 at 05:34:42 > In Reply to: Re: Virginia Dare 1587 - 1st American Born by Sheila > Corrall > of 312 > Sheila: I am sorry to say, other than her father's name that is > all I have > on the DARE family. My connection is through her mother (the WHITE) > line. > Her grandfather was Gov. John WHITE, of Virginia, who made several > voyages > to America. Wish I could have helped you more. > Sincerely, Chuck Gleason > http://genforum.genealogy.com/dare/messages/176.html > ==================== > PPS: I have the quite beautiful Images of all the Arms /Crests of > the > titled > that sailed with John White, including of White & Ananias Dare. I > can send > them email, altho they are large in electronic size. bw 11/07/03 > > > > ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== > WHITE LIST ADMINISTRATOR > <[email protected]> > > Be ye fishers of men. You catch them - He'll clean them.

    11/11/2003 12:38:29