William White (THE PILGRIM) d. 1621 in MA Peregrine White b. On the Mayflower in Cape Cod Bay - Nov 1620 Jonathan White b. MA 1659 - son of Peregrine Alexander White b. MA 1709 D. NJ 1776 - son of Jonathan White and 2nd wife Margaret Elizabeth Alexander. During my 20 years of genealogical research, the above lineage seems to be the most misunderstood sequence that I have found. Roscoe White in his book WHITE FAMILY RECORDS spells it our clearly. Roscoe did provide documentation supporting that lineage. The Mayflower Society has chosen to not accept the documentation provided by Roscoe. That is their prerogative. However, 100% of the members of the Mayflower Society that I have talked with, and 100% of the genealogists that I have talked with having knowledge of the point of controversy agree that Roscoe was right. Not one person said that Roscoe was not correct. There is a difference between refusing to accept documentation and saying that the lineage was not correct. Really now, after all these years, does anyone really feel that additional documentation will be found?? Dex White [email protected]

There was a book written about my White line as well that went back to Peregrine, but because I haven't found other documentation, it isn't accepted either. ----- Original Message ----- From: eleven To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 4:05 PM Subject: [WHITE] Point of controversy William White (THE PILGRIM) d. 1621 in MA Peregrine White b. On the Mayflower in Cape Cod Bay - Nov 1620 Jonathan White b. MA 1659 - son of Peregrine Alexander White b. MA 1709 D. NJ 1776 - son of Jonathan White and 2nd wife Margaret Elizabeth Alexander. During my 20 years of genealogical research, the above lineage seems to be the most misunderstood sequence that I have found. Roscoe White in his book WHITE FAMILY RECORDS spells it our clearly. Roscoe did provide documentation supporting that lineage. The Mayflower Society has chosen to not accept the documentation provided by Roscoe. That is their prerogative. However, 100% of the members of the Mayflower Society that I have talked with, and 100% of the genealogists that I have talked with having knowledge of the point of controversy agree that Roscoe was right. Not one person said that Roscoe was not correct. There is a difference between refusing to accept documentation and saying that the lineage was not correct. Really now, after all these years, does anyone really feel that additional documentation will be found?? Dex White [email protected] ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES! *Many list members delete their messages based upon whatever the subject line is: GIVE YOURS GOOD ONES!

Ian, Your query is at the roots (clever eh?) of what Genealogists do: "With the current wide use of the Internet, can anyone now throw any light which will allow the Americans to discover the ancestry of William WHITE, one of their nation's founders? Wouldn't it be great if he was on your family tree? " FYI, the same issue interested me in another White, John WHITE, who was a founder of the FIRST Anglo settlement of the US, at Jamestown in 1587ish, where the FIRST American citizen, Virginia DARE, was born to Eleanor (DARE) WHITE, w/o Ananias Dare, d/o John WHITE, appointed by Sir Walter Raleigh to lead the founding settlement, which became known as the Lost Colony. I am a Dare. Below are some online Gen sites avail to all for such discovery searches. However, the UK is still somewhat provincial, in that many of the best records are only avail to those who show up in person - NEVERTHELESS, there are some EXcellent free online resources and some other quasi-free (locate the info free then pay small money to access/ download) databases. For example, here are a few of both the former & the latter - the first w/a few examples of 1500s Whites: http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/ Search UK Documents, including 34 Wills John White 1550-1600 wills - Browsing Family History > Wills UK Welcome to DocumentsOnline DocumentsOnline (formerly PRO-Online) allows you online access to the Public Record Office's collection of digitised public records, including both academic and genealogical sources. Searching the index is free, and it costs £3 to download a digital image of a document. 34 documents found - 34 Wills John White 1550-1600 http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/search-results.asp?searchtype=browserefine&query=first_name%3djohn%20%7clast_name%3dwhite&first_date=15500101&last_date=16001231&catid=6&pagenumber=1&querytype=1&mediaarray=* Description Date Catalogue ref. Details Will of John White of Spalding, Lincolnshire 11 May 1561 PROB 11/44 View Details Will of John White, Tucker of Doulting, Somerset 27 April 1582 PROB 11/64 View Details Sentence of John White, Student of Goneville and Caius College of Cambridge, Cambridgeshire 07 June 1581 PROB 11/63 View Details Will of John White or Whyte, Student of Goneville and Caius College of Cambridge, Cambridgeshire 07 June 1581 PROB 11/63 View Details Will of John White, Vicar of Wells, Somerset 24 March 1581 PROB 11/63 View Details Will of John White of Potterne, Wiltshire 05 November 1580 PROB 11/62 View Details Will of John White, one of Her Majesty's Ordinary Footmen, Gentleman 10 November 1579 PROB 11/61 View Details Will of John White of Much Clacton, Essex 03 August 1576 PROB 11/58 View Details Will of John White, Yeoman of Kingston upon Thames, Surrey 27 January 1575 PROB 11/57 View Details Will of Sir John White, Alderman of Saint Margaret Lothbury, City of London 20 August 1573 PROB 11/55 View Details 1 2 3 4 > Will of John Whiting or Whitinge, Yeoman of Moulton, Suffolk 15 May 1573 PROB 11/55 View Details Will of John White, Merchant of Bristol, Gloucestershire 01 May 1570 PROB 11/52 View Details Will of John White, Husbandman of Gwenddwr, Breconshire 17 May 1566 PROB 11/48 View Details Will of John White, Butcher of Bury Saint Mary, Suffolk 18 June 1563 PROB 11/46 View Details Will of John Whiting or Whitinge, Clothier of Boxford, Suffolk 16 December 1552 PROB 11/35 View Details Will of John Whyte or White, Parson of Stepnulton, Dorset 18 November 1550 PROB 11/33 View Details Will of John White, Yeoman of Fleet, Lincolnshire 25 October 1550 PROB 11/33 View Details Will of John White or Whyte, Draper of London 31 July 1559 PROB 11/42B View Details Will of John White of Bow Brickhill, Buckinghamshire 08 May 1559 PROB 11/42B View Details Will of John White, Gentleman of Bristol, Gloucestershire 09 December 1558 PROB 11/42A View Details Will of John White, Gentleman of Northiam, Sussex 17 November 1599 PROB 11/94 View Details Will of John White or Whytte, Husbandman of Potterne, Wiltshire 21 July 1599 PROB 11/94 View Details Will of John White, Yeoman of Woodnewton, Northamptonshire 26 January 1599 PROB 11/93 View Details Will of John White, Gentleman of London 22 October 1597 PROB 11/90 View Details Will of John White, Husbandman of Somerset 05 July 1596 PROB 11/88 View Details Will of John White of Middle Temple, Middlesex 07 May 1596 PROB 11/87 View Details Sentence of John White of Hitchin, Hertfordshire 11 May 1594 PROB 11/83 View Details Will of John White, Husbandman of Clapham, Surrey 07 September 1592 PROB 11/80 View Details Will of John White, Gentleman of Otham, Kent 10 November 1591 PROB 11/78 View Details Will of John White, Husbandman of North Hinksey, Berkshire 23 April 1591 PROB 11/77 View Details Will of John Whit of Buckland, Dorset 30 October 1590 PROB 11/76 View Details Will of John White of Gainsborough, Lincolnshire 07 November 1589 PROB 11/74 View Details Will of John White, Haberdasher of London 15 June 1585 PROB 11/68 View Details Will of John White, Merchant of Bedford, Devon 28 November 1584 PROB 11/67 View Details ============== Catalogue Reference: PROB 11/48 Dept: Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Series: Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece: Name of Register: Crymes & Morrison (Morrisson Quire Numbers: 1 - 35 (Crymes Quire Numbers 1 - 34 Date: 10 November 1565 Description: Will of Nycholas Daye, Merchant of Lyme Regis, Dorset Image contains: 1 will of many for the catalogue reference Number of image files: 1 Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£) 309 / 269 PDF 1.2 1 397 2 3.00 Total Price (£) 3.00 -------------- Will of Sir John White Catalogue Reference: PROB 11/55 Dept: Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury Series: Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers Piece: Name of Register: Peter Date: 20 August 1573 Description: Will of Sir John White, Alderman of Saint Margaret Lothbury, City of London Image contains: 1 will of many for the catalogue reference Number of image files: 1 Image Reference Format and Version Part Number Size (KB) Number of Pages Price (£) 511 / 415 PDF 1.2 1 484 3 3.00 Total Price (£) 3.00 http://www.documentsonline.pro.gov.uk/details-result.asp?Edoc_Id=1046007&queryType=1&resultcount=1 ==================== Some of the free ones are: http://www.genuki.org.uk/ http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ http://www.hmc.gov.uk/nra/search_nra.htm (not that good) http://www.google.com/ (often overlooked, but one of the best if you use the correct descriptive keywords) http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/ http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/ancestorsearchresults.asp http://www.ancestry.com/ (Excellent- abt $120/yr BUT, FREE for 2 weeks) and this just gets you started. ==================== FYI, The same issue interested me in John WHITE, who was a founder of the FIRST Anglo settlement on the US, at Jamestown in 1587ish, where the FIRST American citizen, Virginia Dare, was born to Eleanor WHITE, w/o Ananias Dare, d/o John White, appointed by Sir Walter Raleigh to lead the founding settlement, which became known as the Lost Colony. Best, Barry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Wetherington" <[email protected]> To: "BarryCast" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 3:03 PM Subject: Fw: William WHITE who sailed to the New World on the 'Mayflower' ship | ----- Original Message ----- | From: "Ian White" <[email protected]> | To: <[email protected]> | Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:53 AM | Subject: William WHITE who sailed to the New World on the 'Mayflower' ship | | | > William WHITE was one of the pilgrims who sailed on | > the 'Mayflower' from Plymouth, England to Plymouth | > Harbor in what is now Provincetown Harbor in Cape Cod, | > Massachusetts, USA. There have been several theories | > as to his parentage, but all seem to have been | > disproved. He is said to have been born in England in | > about 1590. He was accompanied by his wife Susanna. | > They arrived in the New World in 1620, and Susanna | > gave birth to a son Peregrine WHITE on board the | > Mayflower while it was docked in Plymouth Harbor. | > Peregrine WHITE was the first European child born in | > New England, USA. William died on February 21, 1620/1 | > | > With the current wide use of the Internet, can anyone | > now throw any light which will allow the Americans to | > discover the ancestry of William WHITE, one of their | > nation's founders? Wouldn't it be great if he was on | > your family tree? | > | > Ian WHITE in Ottawa, Canada. ===== | > | > Member: British Isles Family History Society of Greater Ottawa, Canada.

It has been some time since I posted this inquiry. I'm hoping someone with the information has joined the group since then. I am looking for the ancestors of a CARRIE B. WHITE, my grandmother. She was born Jan. 15, 1873 & married John J. Pennybacker in VA, July 25, 1900. Her father was a MEADE FITZHUGH WHITE (1847-1898) & her mother, ELLIE FITZHUGH DONAGHE (1854-1926). Her p. grandfather was HAMDEN A. WHITE (1812-1888) & her g. mother, CAROLINE BATTAILE FITZHUGH (1811-1852). I have been able to trace the Fitzhugh line back to the 17th century in Bedford, England, but HAMDEN A. WHITE represents a dead-end of many years. Does it look familiar to any of you? Jack Pennybacker _________________________________________________________________ Rethink your business approach for the new year with the helpful tips here. http://special.msn.com/bcentral/prep04.armx

Hey guys thought I would try again. I am seeking info on John White born 1889/90 in KY. May have married twice. If so his second wife would have been Myrtle Unknown. She was born 1903 in VA. Children of John White are David 1913, Mary V. 1919, Catherine 1922, Jeanetta 1923, Roby D. 1926, and Dorothy E. 1929. John White is the only one born in KY. The rest where born in VA. They lived in Russell co. VA the Elk Garden district in VA according to the 1930 census. I am desperate for information on John White and his family. So far I have had no luck locating him. Thanks in advance for any help... Tina [email protected]

There is more info about Lafayette White if anyone needs it and if the one I sent is the right one. Tootsie -- "Lord, keep your arm around my shoulders....and your hand over my mouth."

I looking for a A. H. White about 1910 in Haskell or Leflore County Oklahoma. If any one has access to a census of those counties I would appreciate a look. Thanks Margie Powell

Keep an eye out for Jesse M. White anywhere after 1908 b. 1876. Thanks Tootsie barb brown wrote: > Looking for Lafayette B. White in Oklahoma with his > family. Any information is greatly appreciated. If you > can't find him there could you look in Witchita, > Sedgwick Co. Kansas > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! > http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/ > > ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== > WATCH YOUR SUBJECT LINES! > *Many list members delete > their messages based upon > whatever the subject line > is: GIVE YOURS GOOD ONES! -- "Lord, keep your arm around my shoulders....and your hand over my mouth."

Looking for Lafayette B. White in Oklahoma with his family. Any information is greatly appreciated. If you can't find him there could you look in Witchita, Sedgwick Co. Kansas __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Hello List, Searching for info on Mary White, b. 1811 in Parsonfield, ME, married Lora B. MILLIKEN in 1832. Settled in Levant, ME. I believe her parents were Joseph & Mary White. Any info would be appreciated. Debbie Anderson

Does anyone have access to marriage index for 1929 or 1930 to look up the marriage of Sye White and Gloria Goff?. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

Looking for anyone who has information about Lafayette White b. abt.1862. First wife was Saprina, second wife Hessie. Lafayette was in 1880 in Breckenridge, Caldwell Cty, MO. with Saprina Unknown where he was in 1900 but he showed up again with second wife in 1910 in Beaver Cty, Ok. Second wife was Hessie Unknown. Sometime they were living in Oklahoma as his son Sye B. White was born abt 1906. And Artie M. was also born in Ok. Sye White in the 1920 Census Whitehead, Garvin Cty. Ok was at a State Training School, was 13 yrs old, b. OK, father born CA. mother born ARK. In 1930 he was in Wichita, Sedgwoch Cty. Ks with his wife Gloria Goff and son Robert Dempsey White. I know sometime they moved to Montana unsure when and that is where they died. They had two other children that I know of and they are Jack and Dennis whodied young of Diabetes. mI don't know where Sye died but Gloria I think died in Roundup, Mt. about 2001. Some of Sye's siblings were Finly H., Raynolds,George,Lafayette,Anna,Frank S.,Fay, Mary, Artie M. Any help with this family would be greatly appreciated. Barbara __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting.yahoo.com/ps/sb/

" A Viking Greeting " Fought in the Revolutional war and the Civil war too. The family of Robert White Sr. dates back to 1692 in New York . Married Elizabeth. They had 6 children ( Robert White, Peter White, John White, Elizabeth White, Mary WHite b. aug 31 1694, Martha White. Next Generation is: Robert White Jr. and maried Jacomynte Van Rollegon nov. 28 1690 wife 2 Francis Stanley Aug.31 1694 One child to Jacomynte is Elizabeth White b.July 1 1691 5 children to Francis Elizabeth White b July 21 1695 Robert White Jacquemyntje White b.april 3 1697 d April 28 1784 Married John Lewis Nov. 15 1716 Abraham White m. Mehitable Scott Stanley White I want to tell the Whites I have are very much church people, there are three preahers in our families Whitesville in close to Toms River in North Jersey.. Please if any body wants more information please lookm at this website that has all our families at ( whitesville.net) My family starts at John Finley White is my ggreat grand father If any questios please be free to ask Best regards Jim Ludwigsen

Jay, the DNA testing used for the surname projects that are popping up all over the genealogy world is confined to the Y chromosome of which every male has one and only one which he received from his father who received his from his father and so on up the paternal line. Thus the Y chromosome is handed down in the same way as the surname (in most cultures anyway.) With this in mind, I'm sure you can see that you can only get information about one line from your Y chromosome test--in your case, you Hill line. Unfortunately for the genealogist, the Y chromosome is unique in that it is passed down from father to son virtually unchanged. All of the other chromosomes (including the X chromosome of which females have two) mix and blend together in such a way that they are a mix of all ancestral lines and cannot be used to pinpoint ancestral origins. I am a biologist and taught biology for many years. I have a set of pages about the basics of DNA and how it can be used for genealogy at http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics/molecular_genealogy.htm . I see on Kevin Duernick's list of surname projects http://www.duerinck.com/surname.html there is a Hill project at Family Tree DNA. There is also a White project but no website is given though there is a contact email address. Perhaps it has been announced on this list and I missed it?? Unfortunately I come from a line of Whites who "daughtered out". One thing on my "to do" list is to try to find a male descendent of my White line for testing. I was the first daughter in a line of the oldest son of the oldest son. . . . for seven generations before me. And, alas, my only sibling is a sister. We are descendents of Thomas and Margaret March White who immigrated from the North Riding of Yorkshire in 1846. Thomas was the son of John and Ruth (Pedletty) White of Kirkby Ravensworth also in the north of Yorkshire--nearly in Durham. If anyone is interested in reading about how our Dorsey/Kelley family use DNA testing to solve an old family mystery, you can see that at http://www.contexo.info/DorseyDNA/HarveyKelley.htm Nancy White Custer > Ok Everybody I have a Question. > > Has anybody been cross scanning the DNA results between differant familes. > > Like on my dad's side is HILL, JACKSON, WHITE, SPEAKS, YANCEY, ..... + > > And my Mom's is ATKINSON, BAUMANN, DEAN/DANE, REDDICK, VICK,....+ > > What I mean is if I did a test for Hill I could also use it for Jackson > line > and so on? > Or are they going to charge you for another test that's not needed? > > Just wondering because it could open alot of doors if you did. > > Jay > > *************************************************

Ok Everybody I have a Question. Has anybody been cross scanning the DNA results between differant familes. Like on my dad's side is HILL, JACKSON, WHITE, SPEAKS, YANCEY, ..... + And my Mom's is ATKINSON, BAUMANN, DEAN/DANE, REDDICK, VICK,....+ What I mean is if I did a test for Hill I could also use it for Jackson line and so on? Or are they going to charge you for another test that's not needed? Just wondering because it could open alot of doors if you did. Jay ************************************************* All Outgoing Messages are Scanned with Norton 2003 Anti-Virus. ************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Ray Hill" <[email protected]> We now have 21 matching family groups and > 21 unmatched participants (25-marker test) in our Hill DNA Project. > > Fortunately, the more people we have in our database, the better chance > there is for a match. We now have 108 and are fifth in project size in > Family Tree DNA's databank. I just wish we had ten times as many as we now > have. I think the results would be phenomenal. Oh well, maybe one of these > days. > > I hope I answered your question. Best wishes from Livingston, Texas. > > E. Ray Hill, Project Coordinator > Hill Surname DNA Project > [email protected] (email) > www.livingston.net/hilldna (website)

Ginny Keefer researching; White, LeMay, Jolly, Graves, Abernathy, Collier, Wilkerson, Williams, Barnes, Campbell, Crockett As of Jan. 26, 2004 my New E Mail address will be; [email protected] Thanks, Ginny

[email protected]@[email protected] ,Ma., laborer, 1874-son of James WHITE [email protected] & Catherine [email protected] wed1 nov [email protected],Ma.,Gerald Fagan,",Catholic Priest"Chelsea,Ma.- Catherine [email protected]@[email protected],Ma. 1874 -dau of John MADDEN [email protected]@Calais,[email protected] Calais,Maine,[email protected] & Mary [email protected]@ Calais,[email protected],[email protected] Catherine sister of Abby M.MADDEN 1846ab[email protected] [email protected] [email protected] Maine,[email protected],[email protected],Ma,1877-wed William ANDREWS [email protected] river,[email protected] river,[email protected], Ma.,safe maker,[email protected],Ma.,coal dealer,[email protected],Ma, coal dealer,1877- Julia MADDEN [email protected]@Ireland,[email protected],Ma,1880-rs @118 1/2ash,Chelsea,[email protected] Ash Chelsea,Ma,1891-wed Thomas J. L. [email protected],Ma. [ireland john birth] [email protected],Ma. 1853 [email protected],Ma.,molder,[email protected] 1/2 ash,Chelsea,[email protected] 118.5 Ash Chelsea,Ma.moulder, 1891- John [email protected] [email protected] [email protected], Ma.pedler,1877.-wed Isabella AYLESBURY [email protected],[email protected] cambridgept , 1857abt- --------------------------------------------- James WHITE [email protected] may [email protected],consumption,Chelsea,[email protected] Chelsea , Ma.1846- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morris MADDEN [email protected]@[email protected],Ma.car driver,1885-son of JohnMADDEN [email protected]@Calais Maine 1846 abt [email protected],Maine,[email protected] & Mary [email protected] 1846 [email protected] Calais Maine [email protected],[email protected] 1855 abt-rs @Ireland 1860abt- wed 11 Jan [email protected],Ma.Patrick J. Kavanaugh,Catholic Priest,Chelsea,Ma - Kate O'BRIEN [email protected]@[email protected],Ma.1885- dau of James O'BRIEN [email protected] & Kate [email protected] ------------------------------ ------------------------------ ----------------------------- Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchugh-farle y-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,Ma.-spra gue- and ever growing list Jim Denning

Thanks for your reply and the Gen outline Paul, So far, Chuck Gleason hasn't replied, but I am still most interested in the early Whites, particularly in the John White era of the late 1500s. I would be very appreciative of your direct line w/ or w/o siblings. Do you believe your White books are either the ones mentioned by Chuck Gleason (back throught 1087, etc) or the EBay books mentioned below? I also have the colorful John White Arms bestowed on him by Sir Walter Raleigh, which I'll be pleased to email you as an attachment if you wish. If you would consider, I would also send you a check which you could deposit to hold as a deposit for safe return of the Richard White books, and of course, I'll also send you whatever I am able to connect up. If you are the descendant of John White, the father of Eleanor White md Ananis Dare abt 1580s, the parents of Virginia Dare, first citizen of America, then your dna might be found in any descendant of Virginia Dare. A descendant of Virginia Dare would, in my opinion, be 'most likely' related to the 'tribe(s)' of Native Americans who assisted the Lost Colony, one of which could well be the Croatans. Thus, if we stretch this as thin as necessary, and if dna identification technology develops in the future as quickly as it is developing now, eventually, we could identify descendants of the Lost Colony, including potentially, and theoretically, the descendants of America's first citizen, Virginia Dare. A tall order, to be sure, but, as they say, 'Dare to Dream' ! (Pls overlook the pun on 'Dare - to 'dare' and Virginia Dare) Barry Wetherington Included below here is some RAW SPECULATION: PS: And you haven't even been subjected to our theory of the potential relationship between Virginia Dare: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/d/dare.html & Pocahontas: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html separated by abt 9 years of age and abt 100 miles of connected inland rivers - does your eye picture the almost iconic image of Poca paddling her canoe, perhaps to visit the 'escaped' Virginia Dare? Perhaps her sibling, or aunt? etc. Poca b abt 17 Sep 1595 d 21 Mar 1616/17 md John Rolfe b 6 May 1585 d 1622 Virginia Dare b 1587 Lost Colony NC [FYI - here is a quasi official UK Poca file that can be ordered online, seemingly for a reasonable price: http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ "HO 45/14558BURIALS (including CREMATIONS and EXHUMATIONS): Search for remains of Princess Pocahontas. 1909-1932"] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [WHITE] White Family History on ebay Gen John White I just now got around to reading this. Did you get the information you sought? I am a descendant of the John White you spoke of. My direct line of descent has been proven, even into England and "beyond". I do have a couple of books written by Richard White, not a real lot of information in them about "every day" life, but it does list the line of descent, but leaves out most of the "siblings" in the line. 73 Paul Plasters Grandson of Bonnie Clare White. On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 23:09:06 -0500 "Barry Wetherington" <[email protected]> writes: If someone will buy it (White Family History on ebay), I'll send them $10 to be able to use the book for a couple weeks, and I'll share whatever comes of it. I'm looking for the ancestry of Virginia Dare b1587, America's first citizen, and her ancestry, including mother Eleanor (White) Dare, and grandfather John White, selected by Sir Walter Raleigh to be the leader of what became the Lost Colony in Jamestown VA. I'm also a Dare descendant. (I also am seeking Chuck Gleason who researched the history of the Whites back into the middle ages). & Thanks for finding & posting it Grannie. Barry C Barry Wetherington POBox 1208 Birmingham MIch 48012 248-792-2109H ----- Original Message ----- From: "A-T-K's Grannie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 5:18 PM Subject: [WHITE] White Family History on ebay Book ¿ White Family History http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2979105862 This book is made up of White family information that has been extracted from a number of sources. The book is a basic history of the surname itself. Much of the volume is also a basic text on America¿s early history and genealogical sources. Materials that refer directly to the White family include: Early references to the name in the British Isles; Possible origins of the name; A description of four White family coats of arms with illustrations; A listing of about 102 White that immigrated to America in the 17th and 18th centuries; A listing of 35 marriages from the seventeenth century taking place in: Connecticut, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, and New York. Also found is a listing of nine prominent colonists with biographical information; A listing of 1570 White heads of family (with county of residence) taken from the census of 1790 for the states of: Connecticut, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New York, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Vermont, and Virginia; One hundred twenty-seven additional names, from a reconstructed 1800 census (from taxpayer lists) for the state of Kentucky are included. Military history data (usually with birth, and death dates as well as the spouse¿s name) is found for 16 men who fought in King Phillip¿s War as well as that for 304 White Revolutionary War veterans. This data was taken from the DAR Patriot Index; Hoyt¿s Index to Revolutionary War Pension Applications and Heitman¿s Historical Register of Officers of the Continental Army During the War of the Revolution. Military data for 143 soldiers of the War of 1812 is also included, as well as that for eleven soldiers of the Mexican War and 71 soldiers of both the Union and Confederacy in the Civil War. Short biographical sketches are given a number of White who have been prominent in their positions. A listing of 37 White place names fills out the White data in the volume. Historical data and genealogical source information found in the volume includes: A listing of reference books useful in composing the history of a family name or coat of arms. A section of the book is made up of the history of early immigration to America; A listing of reference books pertaining to immigration to America, marriage records, military related records, and sources of biographical records is found, as well as a listing of State and Federal Sources of genealogical information. This volume has data in it that deals with individuals by the White family name, can be very helpful in compiling a family history, and can be an interesting addition to one¿s surname oriented materials. Soft cover, perfect bound, 188 pp, published 1972 by American Genealogical Research Institute, Washington D.C. The volume is in good condition. Do not bid on this item if you are expecting a full ¿family history.¿ ==== WHITE Mailing List ==== WHITE UNSUBSCRIPTION DIRECTIONS [email protected] NSUBSCRIBE [in subject line] White-D-reque[email protected] UNSUBSCRIBE [in subject line] ================================== http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/P/POCAHONTAS+2003+69570399+F ========================================================================= Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 21:50:25 -0800 From: "Barry Wetherington" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: [Poca] Poca's NA Gen? Poca's NA Gen!? Barry King Wahunsonacock POWHATAN 17 Jun 1545 - 1618 ID Number: I38147 TITLE: King OCCUPATION: Chief of a federation of Algonquian Indian tribes RESIDENCE: Tidewater Region of VA now Gloucester Co. VA BIRTH: 17 Jun 1545, Algonquian village of Powhatan, James River VA DEATH: 1618 RESOURCES: See: [S1387] [S1424] [S1561] Father: "Dashing Stream" Mother: "Scent Flower" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mysouthernfamily/myff/d0096/g0000033.html#I38147 Family 1 : Matatiske or Nonoma +Cleopatra POWHATEN +Matoaka (Rebecca) Pocahontas POWHATEN Nantiquaus POWHATEN Matachannu POWHATEN Notes "Old Churches, Ministers, and Families of Virginia. Article XXVIII. Gloucester, the Residence of Powhatan and Pocahontas. We are now in the region where by general consent the chief residence of King Powhatan has been placed, after discussion and accurate investigation. Mr. Howe, in his laborious though sometimes inaccurate History of Virginia, quotes from Captain John Smith as saying that "twenty-five miles lower (than what is now West Point, the junction of the Pamunkey and Mattapony) on the north side of this river (York River) is Werowocomico, where their great king inhabited when I was delivered to him a prisoner," and where Smith in another place says "for the most part he was resident." Mr. Howe says, "Upon a short visit made to that part of Gloucester county a year or two ago, I was satisfied that Shelly, the seat of Mrs. Mann Page, is the famous Werowocomico. Shelly adjoins Rosewell, formerly the seat of John Page, (sometime Governor of Virginia), and was originally part of the Rosewell plantation; and I learned from Mrs. Page, of Shelly, that Governor Page always held Shelly to be the ancient Werowocomico, and accordingly he at first gave it that name, but afterward, on account of the inconvenient length of the word, dropped it and adopted the title of Shelly, on account of the extraordinary accumulation of shells found there. The enormous beds of oyster-shells deposited there, especially in front of the Shelly House, indicate it to have been a place of great resort among the natives. The situation is highly picturesque and beautiful; and, looking as it does on the lovely and majestic York, it would seem of all others to have been the befitting residence of the lordly Powhatan." Our worthy fellow-citizen, Mr. Charles Campbell, of Petersburg, after having adopted the above opinion, has renounced it in favour of another place only two or three miles, I believe, lower down York River. On paying a visit a few years since to Shelly and the neighbourhood, for the purpose of examining the question, he became satisfied that Timberneck Bay, in Gloucester, the ancient seat of the Manns, only a mile from Shelly, is the famous spot. Smith, he says, in his work "Newes from Virginia," says "the bay where Powhatan dwelleth hath three creeks in it." "I have visited," says Mr. Campbell, "that part of Gloucester county, and am satisfied that Timberneck Bay is the one referred to by Mr. Smith. On the east bank of this bay stands an old chimney known as 'Powhatan's chimney,' and its site corresponds with Werowocomico as laid down in Smith's map." Mr. Campbell supposes this to be the chimney of the house built by the Colonists to propitiate the favour of Powhatan, and says he is supported by tradition. May not the two opinions be reconciled in the following manner? Shelly may have been the original place of his residence or of his frequent residence; but when it was offered to build him a house after the English fashion, he may have preferred a situation a few miles off, for reasons best known to his royal majesty. And now, although I have already introduced some documents touching Powhatan and Pocahontas into my article on Jamestown and Henrico, yet, as there is another most worthy of preservation and use, I will do my part toward its perpetuity by inserting it in this place. It is the famous letter of Captain Smith to Queen Anne, soliciting her attention to Pocahontas when in England,--a letter not easily surpassed by any one in any age. "To the Most High and Virtuous Princess, Queen Anne, of Great Britain:* "Most Admired Madam:--The love I bear my God, my King, and my Church, hath so often emboldened me in the worst of extreme dangers, that now honesty doth constrain me to presume thus far beyond myself, to present to your Majesty this short discourse. If ingratitude be a deadly poison to all honest virtues, I must be guilty of that crime if I should omit any means to be thankful. So it was, that about ten years ago, being in Virginia, and being taken prisoner by the power of Powhatan, their chief king, I received from this great savage exceeding great courtesy,--especially from his son, Nantiquaus, the manliest, comeliest, boldest spirit I ever saw in a savage, and his sister Pocahontas, the king's most dear and beloved daughter, being but a child of twelve or thirteen years of age, whose compassionate, pitiful heart of my desperate estate gave me much cause to respect her. I being the first Christian this proud king and his grim attendants ever saw, and thus enthralled in their power, I cannot say I felt the least occasion of want that was in the power of those, my mortal foes, to prevent, notwithstanding all their threats. After some six weeks' fattening among these savage courtiers, at the minute of my execution she hazarded the beating out of her own brains to save mine; and not only that, but so prevailed with her father that I was safely conducted to Jamestown, where I found about eight-and-thirty miserable, poor, and sick creatures to keep possession of all those large territories in Virginia. Such was the weakness of this poor Commonwealth, as had not the savages fed us, we directly had starved. And this relief, most gracious Queen, was commonly brought us by the Lady Pocahontas. "Notwithstanding all those passages, when inconstant fortune turned our peace to war, this tender virgin would still not spare to dare to visit us; and by her our fears have been often appeased and our wants still supplied. Were it the policy of her father thus to employ her, or the ordinance of God thus to make her his instrument, or her extraordinary affection to our nation, I know not. But of this I am sure; when her father, with the utmost of his policy and power, sought to surprise me, having but eighteen with me, the dark night could not affright her from coming through the irksome woods, and, with watered eyes, gave me intelligence with her best advice to escape his fury, which had he seen, he had surely slain her. "Jamestown, with her wild train, she as freely visited as her father's habitation; and during the time of two or three years, she, next under God, was still the instrument to preserve this Colony from death, famine, and utter confusion, which in those times had once been dissolved, Virginia might have lain as it was at our first arrival till this day. Since then this business, having been turned and varied by many accidents from what I left it, is most certain; after a long and troublesome war, since my departure, betwixt her father and our Colony, all which time she was not heard of. About two years after, she herself was taken prisoner, being so detained near two years longer; the Colony by that means was relieved, peace concluded, and at last, rejecting her barbarous condition, she was married to an English gentleman, the first Virginian who ever spake English, or had a child in marriage by an Englishman,--a matter surely, if my meaning be truly considered and well understood, well worthy a prince's information. Thus, most gracious lady, I have related to your Majesty what, at your best leisure, our approved histories will recount to you at large, as done in your Majesty's life. And, however this might be presented you from a more worthy pen, it cannot from a more honest heart. "As yet, I never begged any thing of the State; and it is my want of ability and her exceeding deserts, your birth, means, and authority, her birth, virtue, want, and simplicity, doth make me thus bold humbly to beseech your Majesty to take this knowledge of her, though it be from one so unworthy to be the reporter as myself, her husband's estate not being able to make her fit to attend your Majesty. The most and least I can do is to tell you this, and the rather of her being of so great a spirit, however her stature. If she should not be well received, seeing this kingdom may rightly have a kingdom by her means, her present love to us and Christianity might turn to such scorn and fury as to divert all this good to the worst of evil; when, finding that so great a Queen should do her more honour than she imagines, for having been kind to her subjects and servants, would so ravish her with content as to endear her dearest blood to effect that your Majesty and all the King's most honest subjects most earnestly desire. And so I humbly kiss your gracious hands, &c. "Signed, John Smith." son of Dashing Stream + Scent Flower 2nd wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Winganuske 3rd wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Ashetoiske 4th wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Amopotoiske 5th wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Ottopomtacke 6th wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Attossocomiske 7th wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Ponnoiske 8th wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Appomosiscut 9th wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Appimmonoiske 10th wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Ortoughnoiske 11th wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Oweroughwough 12th wife of Wahunsonacock Powhatan: m. Ottermiske" Children: Taux POWHATAN Mantequos POWHATAN Matachanna POWHATAN Namontack POWHATAN Matoaka "Pocahontas" POWHATAN b: ABT. 17 SEP 1595 d: ABT. 21 MAR 1616/17 + KOCOUM + John ROLFE b: 6 MAY 1585 d: 1622 Marriages: Marriage 1 ATTOSSOCOMISKE; Marriage 2 MATATISKE mother of children on this card. Marriage 3 PONNOISKE Marriage 4 APPOMOSISCUT Marriage 5 APPIMMONOISKE Marriage 6 WINGANUSKE Marriage 7 ORTOUGHNOISKE Marriage 8 OWEROUGHWOUGH Marriage 9 OTTERMISKE Marriage 10 ASHETOISKE Marriage 11 AMOPOTOISKE Marriage 12 OTTOPOMTACKE [S1424] [S1236] - --------------------------------------------- __ | __| | | | |__ | _"Dashing Stream"____| | | | | __ | | | | |__| | | | |__ | | |--Wahunsonacock POWHATEN | (1545 - 1618) | __ | | | __| | | | | | |__ | | |_"Scent Flower"______| | | __ | | |__| | |__ - ---------------------------------------------- Sources [S1387] [S1424] [S1561] [S1424] [S1236] - ---------------------------------------- INDEX Back to My Southern Family Home Page © 1995, 1997, 1998, 2000. Josephine Lindsay Bass and Becky Bonner. All rights reserved. - ------------------------------------- HTML created by GED2HTML v3.6-WIN95 (Jan 18 2000) on 08/04/02 12:42:34 AM Central Standard Time. - -------------------------- Tabitha POYTHRESS ABT 1730 - ____ ID Number: I57601 RESIDENCE: VA BIRTH: ABT 1730 RESOURCES: See: [S2059] Family 1 : Henry RANDOLPH Peter RANDOLPH ================================The Croatan Indians of Sampson County, North Carolina; Their Origin and Racial Status; A Plea for Separate Schools, by George Edwin Butler Published: Durham, N.C., Seeman Printery, 1916 Note: Has some genealogies - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- [image caption: THE CROATAN NORMAL SCHOOL AT PEMBROKE, N. C. The first Croatan Indian School established and supported by the State] The Croatan Indians of Sampson County, North Carolina Their Origin and Racial Status A Plea for Separate Schools By GEO. E. BUTLER CLINTON, NORTH CAROLINA THE SEEMAN PRINTERY DURHAM, N. C. 1916 Page 1 CONTENTS A Petition of the Indians of Sampson County . . . 5 HISTORICAL SKETCH OF THE INDIANS OF SAMPSON AND ADJOINING COUNTIES Historical . . . 9 The Croatans . . . 10 White's Lost Colony . . . 10 Their Wanderings and Location . . . 17 Political and Educational History . . . 23 First Separate Schools for Croatans . . . 27 Marriage with Negroes Forbidden . . . 28 Separate Schools in Other Counties . . . 28 Separate Schools in Sampson . . . 31 Why the Indian School in Sampson was Repealed . . . 31 Indian Tax Payers in Sampson . . . 32 Easily Recognized as Indians . . . 33 They Were Never Slaves . . . 34 Formerly Eroneously Classed as Negroes . . . 34 Laws of State Recognize Them as Separate Race . . . 35 State Provides Colleges for Whites and Negroes but not for Indians . . 36 Indians Justly Proud of Their History . . . 36 Better Educational Facilities Should be Provided . . . 37 Indian Taxes in Sampson . . . 38 Sampson Exceeds all Other Counties, Except Robeson, in Indian Polls and Property . . . 39 Family Relationship Between Robeson and Sampson Croatans . . . 40

In 1828 a James White was sentenced at Westminster for stealing 5 handkerchiefs from a pawnbroker’s shop. http://members.optusnet.com.au/~schafferi/Bligh%20on%20The%20River%20Derwent%201809.htm Main Page http://members.optusnet.com.au/~schafferi/

Listers, I am stil trying to find some clue to Samuel David White born 1807 Stueben Co. New York. Married Mary Hunsaker Oct 4the 1836, and died April 30, 1863 in Missouri. If you have any Whites living in these areas around this time would like to compare notes. I am looking for his parents. Thank you Darlene [email protected]