Richard, I was one of those folks on the Whitaker list speaking of William and Jonathan and Jonathan II's daugher Lucinda Whitaker who married Abner Bagby - these are my ancestors. To answer your questions: William and Jonathan who lived near each other were brothers - at least Jonathan I and William were brothers - William and wife Mary (surname unknown or also a Whitaker) also had a son named Jonathan and for clarity sake the researchers of this family call him Jonathan II - he is my ancestor and he was married to Sarah Elizabeth Howard, daugther of a William Howard. Jonathan I was married to Anna Dezern in 1780 in Surry Co. NC - I have no other information on him (no children known) except that he was born 1763 and died 1819. His brother William is said to have been born abt. 1750 and died Aug. 24, 1825 in Surry Co. NC. There are no other known siblings to these two men. Their father is said to be a Robert Whitaker with wife named Mary. Robert apparrently died close to 1788 right before signing his land grant in Surry Co. - his name was on the deed but crossed out and his wife Mary signed in 1788 because he had died before signing. They are said to be from Baltimore Co. MD and so far all we know is that they are NOT the Robert and Mary Hall Whitaker of Cecil Co., MD who both died there with wills on record - Robert in 1754 - with different children, no William and no Jonathan. William's wife Mary was born 1758 and died 1835 - they were married in 1722. Their children are as follows: Isaac, b. 1773 (this is the Isaac you asked about who married Nancy Elizabeth Worth), Abraham, b. 1775, Lydia b. 1779, Jonathan II b. 1782, William David Jr. b. 1785, Nancy b. 1788, Edmund b. 1790, Betsy b. 1793, Salley b. 1795, Rebecca b. 1798, Mary Polly b. 1800 and Silas. The listing for my Abner Bagby and Lucinda Whitaker on the census is interesting. They have the correct age for Abner - Lucinda was actually born in 1821 and is two years older - 29, not 27 - did women lie about their age even then????? Also interesting is Nancy Ann who is listed as being 10 years old. Her birth date is recorded as 1849 but this would have made her actually born 1839 or 1840 which I believe is really the case. Her husband was born in 1845 and perhaps she said she was born in 1849 to be younger than he rather than older. I think the census is right in this instance - because she would have been only age 1 if born in 1949 - hard to make a mistake on that! Also Zackery Taylor Bagby was NOT 3 years old in 1850 but he WAS born in 1849 and was 1 year old and therefore born AFTER Zachary Taylor was elected president. Thomas Whitaker as far as we know, although he lived near these other Whitakers in myline - is not part of this family. At least not as far as we know at this point. His father is said to be Mark Whitaker who was married to Elizabeth Empson and they were from Baltimore Co. MD - he may be a cousin to my folks...even possibly a brother although it doesn't appear to be the case. I have one other child of Thomas that you didn't have listed and that is a Margaret. I think that the Mark who signed his will WAS probably his son. I don't know of another Mark of the same age of Thomas in the area at the time to have been brother to Thomas - although since his father and son are named Mark it is also likely that he HAD a brother Mark. Are you totally confused now? I have lots more information on the family if you want it but what concerns me and others most now is trying to find where and from who our Robert and Mary Whitaker came. Records in Baltimore Co. MD seem hard to come by or non-existant for this Robert - but I don't have access to many records from that area. Do you? Any help you can give would be wonderful!!! Hope that helps clear some things up - I hope to hear from you. Susan J. Balde Gall Winston-Salem, NC Descendant of Robert>William>Jonathan II>Lucinda Whitaker On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:20:06 -0500 "Richard Fulton" <rfulton@us.ibm.com> writes: > I have been reading with interest the postings regarding the Surry > County, > NC. Whitakers. I have been collecting Whitaker information for > years, > but had never really looked hard at the large Surry County, NC clan. > I > have quite a bit of information about the early MD Whitakers and > think I > many have some connection information to Surry NC. I want to > check a > few more things before I post, but in the meantime, does anyone have > lists > of the children of the following early Surry NC Whitakers found in > 1790 > Census? > > William Whitaker > Jonathan Whitaker I > William and Jonathan seem to live next door to each other and > I > suspect they are brothers. Correct? > Is this William the one who died in Surry NC leaving a will in > 1824? > I have seen referenced to them as sons of Robert Whitaker who > died in > Surry County, 1782 and wife Mary Whitaker. I cannot find > documentation > for this. Can anybody point me to records or is this personal > history > passed down? > > Johnson Whitaker. > Johnson Whitaker is named in 1787 Surry County, NC will of his > father > THomas Whitaker. Does anyone know how this Johnson Whitaker is > (or is > not) related to William and Jonathan above? Thomas Whitaker's > 1787 > Surry County will names wife Mary, sons Mark and Johnson, daughters > Elizabeth, Mary, Nancy, and Jane. The will is witnessed by Mark > Whittacor and the 1782 Surry County Tax list shows a Mark Whitaker. > This > Mark is likely a brother or cousin and not the son. Anybody has > a list > of Johnson's children? > > In 1850 Surry County, NC census page 346 is listed an Isaac Whitaker > age 77 > (therefore born about 1773) and his wife Nancy age 78. Any body > know > which (if any) of the above Whitaker's Isaac is the son of? > > FYI per the first of these recent postings regarding Surry County, > NC > asking about Abner and Lucinda Whitaker Bagby: > 1850 Surry County, NC Census page 192: > Abner Bagley, age 39, Farmer, $350 property, born in NC > Lucinda, age 27, born NC > Johnathan W., age 13, b: NC > Nancy A., age 10, b: NC > RIchard L., age 9, b: NC > Sarah E., age 7, b: NC > William A., age 5, b: NC > Robert C., age 3, b: NC > Zachery T., age 3, b: NC. (Interesting to name child after Zachery > Taylor > before he was elected President under the WHIG party in 1848, He > was also > a famous general in 1845 war with Mexico. He was from VA. Never > lived > in NC.) > > By the way, my line is from early Baltimore County, MD, but went > west to > PA, KY and beyond. > > > Thanks, Rich Fulton, rfulton@us.ibm.com > World Wide Mid-Market Sales Executive, S/390 SW, SWG > IBM, home office > 1420 West Main Street, Apt. 1008 > Lewisville, TX. 75067 USA > Phone: 972-434-1033, t/l 450-8996 > Fax: 817-962-8780, t/l 522-8780 > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >