Do you by any chance know who your Elizabeth married and what her birthdate is? Mary and Don Wyoming >I am descended from a Thomas Whitaker born January 26, 1788 in Virginia. He >came to Washington County, Tennessee prior to 1813 as he married a Jemima >Edgeman on April 25, 1813 in Washington County. Their children were Winton, >Nancy, Rachel, Jesse R., Richard W., Elizabeth, Joseph, Stephen A. and John >W. I have not been able to determine who Thomas' parents are. > >Interestingly, there is a will for a Johnson Whitaker in Washington County >which mentions the following: > > Johnson Whitaker October 24, 1799 > Wife, Sarah and children. Executrix, Sarah Whitaker. Teste: >Mark Whitaker, Jonathan Tullis. February Sessions, 1800. >Signed Johnson Whitaker > >Also, in the Washington County List of Taxables, there is a Mark Whitacre >listed in Captain Morrison's company for tax years 1793 through 1796. This >may be the same Mar Whitaker who is found listed in the book "Roster of >Soldiers and Patriots of the American Revolution Buried in Tennessee". >Information in the book shows him born on April 8, 1750 in North Carolina >and died 1842 in Lincoln County, TN. He married Catherine Boone on 3-1-1780 >in Rowan County, NC. Children are Rebecca, Nancy, John, Mary, Sarah, >Martha, Benjamin, Judy, Mark Jr., and Perlina. > >The book also lists Richard Whitaker born c1760 in North Carolina, died in >Lincoln County, TN. There is also a John Whitaker born 1760 in Salisbury >District, NC, died 6-11-1837 in Lincoln County, TN. > >I wonder if these Whitakers could be the descendants of Thomas Whitaker that >you mention who died in 1787 in Surry County leaving a will naming sons >Johnson and Mark? Is his will dated 1787? I would like to get a copy. >Thanks > >---- Original Message ----- >From: Richard Fulton <rfulton@us.ibm.com> >To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 12:50 AM >Subject: [WHITAKER] Surry NC Whitaker's: Maryland Connection, 300 Yrs in >America??? > > >> Thanks to Susan Gall for sending more details on the Surry NC Whitaker >> clan. I have a fairly large collection of Maryland Whitaker information >> as well as access to a great library in Dallas. I started poking around >> at the Surry NC Whitaker origins puzzle. I think the following contain >> good possibilities. I will leave it up to the reader to decide. Also, >> if I somebody spots an error in the information or logic, please speak up. >> Here goes. >> >> The data that exists from Surry County, NC strongly points to a Robert >> Whitaker who died in Surry County NC about 1782 and wife Mary and their >two >> sons, William the elder and Jonathan who are the progenitors of the large >> Surry NC Whitaker clan. Rumors and/or family stories suggest Maryland as >> the birthplace of William and that Robert and family migrated from >Maryland >> to NC sometime prior to 1782. Since William's eldest son, Isaac, was >> born in 1773, William was likely about 1750 or earlier. >> >> Very logical assumptions have been made in the past linking the Robert >> Whitaker of 1782 Surry County, NC. to the Robert Whitaker and Mary Hall of >> the Quaker Joshua Whitaker clan to came to PA about 1719 from Lancashire >> England by way of Ireland. In Bruce Whitaker's book "Whitaker, Reed, >> Harper, Wright", and other publications, members of this Joshua Whitaker >PA >> family are traced to early (by 1759) Rowan County, NC., founding a large >> Whitaker NC clan, most of whom moved west to Buncombe County, NC. >> However, it seems clear that neither Robert and Mary Hall Whitaker, nor >> their children, went to NC, but only slightly south of PA into Cecil >> County, MD where they died with a will recorded. So that is not the >> link. >> >> Another possibility is the Family of Mark Whitaker who was in Baltimore >> County, MD. by 1702 (tax lists) and died there on May 1, 1729. His two >> marriages and seven children are recorded in St. George's Parish Register. >> There is no Robert listed, although it is always possible there was a son >> Robert who is just not listed in the Parish registers. Mark's widdow >> remarried to Francis Taylor on Oct. 1729 and soon thereafter the family >> disappears from Baltimore County with members showing up in Prince >George's >> County and Frederick County, MD., and then to Rowan County, NC., by 1768. >> It is my belief that Thomas Whitaker, son of Mark and Catherine Teag >> Whitaker, born June 13, 1712 in Baltimore County, MD., is the same Thomas >> Whitaker who died in 1787 in Surry County, NC., leaving a will naming sons >> Mark and Johnson Whitaker. Due to the close proximity of members of >the >> Mark Whitaker of Baltimore County, MD family to who I believe is the >family >> of Robert Whitaker of Surry County, NC., in Prince George's County and >> Frederick County, MD., and Surry County, NC., I would be willing to bet >> there is a close family relationship. I believe Thomas and Robert >> Whitaker of early Surry County, NC., are likely cousins, if not brothers. >> It appears that any descendents of Thomas Whitaker who died in Surry NC in >> 1787 left the county soon after 1800, and the large Whitaker clan of Surry >> NC., are descended from William and Jonathan Whitaker, sons of Robert >> Whitaker who died in Surry NC about 1782 and his wife Mary. >> >> Origins of Robert Whitaker, died ca. 1782 in Surry County, NC. >> I believe that Robert Whitaker, patriarch of the Surry County, NC., >> Whitaker's was the son of Robert Whitaker of Prince George's County, MD. >> >> Land records are pretty complete for Prince George's County, MD., from the >> creation of the County in 1695. In searching those records, I first >find >> Robert Whitaker registering a cattle mark (brand) on January 4, 1731 in >> Prince George's County (Liber Q, p. 399). Registering a cattle mark >was >> often done by a young man just strarting out in adult life, but could also >> have been some one moving into the County at any age. >> >> The next entry I find (liber T, p. 480) is of a Robert Whitaker, "Gent." >> who buys a tract of land called "Pentaland Hills" in Prince Georges >County, >> MD., on June 13, 1737 (deed recorded July 1, 1737) from RIchard Walles. >> The price is 60pds and size is estimated at 100 acres. The appellation >> "Gent." was usually reserved for men of some prosperity and education, so >> apparently Robert Whitaker was doing well. >> >> I found in interesting that a cattle mark in registered in Prince Georges >> County, MD., on July 1, 1734 by Flower Swift. Flower Swift is also in a >> list of petitioners in Prince George's MD., in 1739. Flower Swift is >> listed in the St. George Parish Register of Baltimore County, MD., as >> marrying Elizabeth Whitaker, daughter of Mark Whitaker on Mary 13, 1725. >> The name is so unusual, it is highly likely this is the same person and >> puts members of Mark Whitaker Baltimore MD family in Prince Georges MD at >> same time as Robert Whitaker. Another connection is found in a >> Baltimore County, MD land transaction as follows: >> 25, Feb. 1739: Thomas Whitaker of PG. Co. conveys 100 acres, part of >a >> tract called Westwood, which was formerly conveyed by Robert West to Mark >> Whitaker, father of the grantor, back to Robert West. (HWS#1-A: 382) >> >> Here we have a second member of the Baltimore MD Mark Whitaker family >> moving to Prince Georges County, MD., where Robert Whitaker lived. At >> the name Thomas matches the Thomas Whitaker who died in Surry County, NC. >> 1787. I therefore think it likely these are the same men. There >is >> also a land transaction in Prince Georges County, MD., (PG Land Record >Book >> BB 1, page 278), in which Thomas Whittaker for 20lbs buys a 50 acre tract >> of land called "Prevention" on March 29, 1745, from Priscilla Wilson and >> her son Thomas Wilson. >> >> The next entry for Robert Whitaker I found in LIber Y, p. 176, a Special >> Petition of Robert Whitaker, Gent., regarding boundaries of "Pentland's >> Hills" made April 17, 1740. Apparently "Pentland's Hills" was either >> bigger than they thought, or Robert added to it with transactions not >> recorded as on Nov. 23, 1743, Robert Whitaker of Prince Georges County, >> MD., Gent., give the deed to "Pentland Hills" now listed as containing >> about 300 acres as well as title to 13 slaves to James Russell of PG, >> Merchant. Robert obtains 180lbs. money, but the deed is conditional and >> is void if Robert pays back the money within 2 years. Apparently Robert >> wanted or needed cash for something and obtained a loan and put up his >land >> as collateral. >> >> Unfortunately my Dallas library only has the transcripts for Prince >> George's County Land books through 1746. The records exist beyond that, >> and further research may well shed further light on the family through >land >> transactions. >> >> The next records regarding the family of Robert Whitaker of Prince Georges >> MD., is found in the Will of Alexander Magruder, of Prince Georges County, >> MD., written Feb. 4, 1740 and proved May 20, 1746. Among other family >> bequests, Alexander leaves a slave to his daughter Elizabeth Whiteaker and >> the southernmost half of a piece of land to Robert Whitaker and his wife >> Elizabeth. From this it seems clear that Robert's wife was Elizabeth >> Magruder. ( keep in mind this is Robert Whitaker Sr., whom I believe is >> the father of Robert Whitaker of Surry NC.). >> >> Digressing a moment on the Magruder line. From pages 533 through 548 >from >> the book "Across The Years In Prince George's County, MD.", 1947, is an >> article on the PG Magruder family. Magruder is a branch of the Scottish >> Clan Mac Gregor said to be founded by Gregor, youngest son of Alpin >> MacAchaia, King of the Scots from 833-836AD. It is reported in a >> genealogy by Dr. Edward Magruder that Alexander Magruder (father of >> Robert's father-in-law Alexander above), the immigrant to America was the >> 3rd Great Grandson of Gillespie MacGregor, third son of Gregor MacGregor, >> 12th Chief of the Clan. The history reports that Alexander Magruder Sr. >> the immigrant, was born in Perthshire, Scotland, in 1610, and first >appears >> in Colonial Records of MD in 1653. He acquired considerable property and >> left many descendants. His son Alexander Jr., father in law of Robert >> Whitaker in Prince Georges MD., is listed as born in 1671 and died in >> 1746, and was three times Justice of Prince Georges County, MD. >> >> The next piece of evidence and perhaps the most telling piece is the Will >> of Robert Whitaker Sr., in Prince Georges County, MD. proved: June 27, >> 1753. >> He give his person estate to his 7 youngest children: Susannah, >Elizabeth, >> Susan, Henry, Sarah, Priscilla, and Alexander. Although not named, his >> wife Elizabeth was still living as evidenced by son William's will of >1757. >> He then gives to his two eldest sons, William and Robert, all the tract I >> dwell on. It is this Robert Jr. whom I think is the Robert who >founded >> the Surry NC Whitaker clan. The naming conventions are interesting. >> By naming his second son after himself and his fourth son after his >> father-in-law, Alexander Magruder, he seems to be following classic naming >> patterns common in Northern Europe. Filling in the blanks, one could >> logically assume that Robert Sr's father's name was William and his >> grandfather's name was Henry. >> >> Another connection with clues is found in the 1776 Census of Maryland in >> which in Frederick County, MD (where Mark Whitaker Jr. from Baltimore >> County, MD., moved and was married) is an Alexander Whitaker, age 30, wife >> Hester age 25, and daughter Elizabeth Magruder Whitaker age 2. This >> clearly would be Robert Sr's youngest child named in his 1753 Prince >> Georges County, MD will. This puts the birth of Robert Sr. youngest son >> at 1746 and generally allowing at least two years between children, would >> place Robert Whitaker Jr.'s birth at 1732 or earlier. This matches >with >> Robert Jr being at least 21 at the death of his father in 1753. The >> location of Alexander in 1776 Frederick County, MD. is yet another clue to >> a family connection to the Mark Whitaker, Baltimore MD family. Did this >> Alexander move south. Likely. He is not in 1790 Maryland Census and >an >> Alexander Whitaker shows up in 1782 list of men subject to having property >> confiscated in Rowan County, NC., along with a Henry (not brother of >Robert >> Jr.), Giles (a large Giles surname family existed in Baltimore County, MD >> when Mark's family was there), James (Mark Sr. had a son James), John, and >> RIchard. >> >> The other brothers of Robert Whitaker Jr. of Prince Georges County, MD., >> died without heirs. William's will was proved in Prince Georges MD. >> March 20, 1757, in which he names his brothers: Henry, Alexander, and >> Robert, his mother Elizabeth, and the same "Pentland Hills" tract of land >> his father had (apparently he paid back the loan). Brother Henry's died >> in Prince Georges MD. Feb. 2, 1773, and left an estate of 323lbs. His >> brother Robert was administrator. Next of kin named are Alexander >> Whitaker and Susanna Whitaker. This indicates Robert Jr was still in MD >> in 1773. Three court actions are brought regarding Henry's estate. >One >> on Nov. 3, 1778, Robert Whitaker is still listed as executor. Two later >> ones dated Nov 28, 1781, and April 13, 1783 show a new executor, Austin >> Allen. From this it would appear that Robert Whitaker Jr., left Prince >> Georges County, MD before 1781, which matches earliest dates of Robert >> Whitaker showing up in Surry County NC. >> >> Further research in land records of Prince Georges County MD., could >> provide further confirmation, but it certainly appears to me that the >> Robert Whitaker of Prince Georges County, MD. is the founder of the Surry >> County, NC Whitaker families. >> >> Last, where did Robert Whitaker who shows up in 1731 in Prince Georges >> County, MD., come from? As I indicated, he could be an unlisted son of >> Mark Whitaker of Baltimore County, MD. However since the family naming >> patterns are so different, I rather doubt this. Mark of Baltimore had >> sons Thomas, Mark, Empson (after wife's maiden name), and James. None >> of these names match Robert's Prince Georges MD family of WIlliam, Robert, >> Henry, and Alexander. The close proximity of the families suggest some >> kinship. Since Mark Sr. of Baltimore MD died in 1729 when his children >> were all minors, perhaps some of all decided to move to stay with relative >> Robert in Prince Georges County. Perhaps an uncle or cousin. >> >> So where might Robert have come from? Robert Whitaker is not an >> extremely common name. An interesting possibility is a record in "The >> Complete Book of Emigrants" by Coldham. vol. 3. 1700-1750. On page 23 is >> a listing of men apprenticed at Liverpool to Mr Thomas Leckonby to be >> shipped to Virginia on the ship "Globe" on January 23, 1701. In the >list >> is a Robert Whitaker, of Lancashire, age 19, to serve 4 years . Aside >> from agriculture, the largest industry and employer in the Colonies at the >> time shipping. It was not unusual for young men without means to serve >a >> career at sea, amassing some wealth, and then only after a number of >years, >> settling down to marry and build a family as a country Gentleman. >Could >> this 19 years old Robert Whitaker from Lancashire, England, apprenticed to >> VA be the same Robert Whitaker who arrived in Prince Georges County MD, >> some years later, perhaps marrying in the 1720's to Elizabeth Magruder, >> daughter of a well to do land owner? If so, this year would mark the >> 300th anniversary of this Whitaker branch immigration to America. >> Perhaps further research in VA or other counties in MD records before >1730 >> will shed light on where Robert Sr. came from. I did do a search of all >> MD wills before 1730 and did not find any reference to a Robert Whitaker. >> >> Please feel free to ask questions, correct, or enhance this analysis. I >> hope the readers find it helpful. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks, Rich Fulton, rfulton@us.ibm.com >> World Wide Mid-Market Sales Executive, S/390 SW, SWG >> IBM, home office >> 1420 West Main Street, Apt. 1008 >> Lewisville, TX. 75067 USA >> Phone: 972-434-1033, t/l 450-8996 >> Fax: 817-962-8780, t/l 522-8780 >> >> >> ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== >> WHITAKER List Administrator >> <commander@inetone.net> >> >> >> ============================== >> Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history >> learning and how-to articles on the Internet. >> http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >> > > >==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > >============================== >Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >

Hi, Rich Wow, you've done a lot of research! We're going to England in a couple of weeks, and I don't know if we'll even be in Lancashire. But if we are, would it help to look up this Robert Whitaker, or do you know enough about him yet? I'm not sure where to start looking, but if you could suggest something (birth date, etc.), I'll see what happens. Of course, it's also dependent on getting my family to stop long enough for me to go to a city hall, etc. They're not as interested in genealogy yet! Joyce Dressel ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Fulton <rfulton@us.ibm.com> To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 12:50 AM Subject: [WHITAKER] Surry NC Whitaker's: Maryland Connection, 300 Yrs in America??? > Thanks to Susan Gall for sending more details on the Surry NC Whitaker > clan. I have a fairly large collection of Maryland Whitaker information > as well as access to a great library in Dallas. I started poking around > at the Surry NC Whitaker origins puzzle. I think the following contain > good possibilities. I will leave it up to the reader to decide. Also, > if I somebody spots an error in the information or logic, please speak up. > Here goes. > > The data that exists from Surry County, NC strongly points to a Robert > Whitaker who died in Surry County NC about 1782 and wife Mary and their two > sons, William the elder and Jonathan who are the progenitors of the large > Surry NC Whitaker clan. Rumors and/or family stories suggest Maryland as > the birthplace of William and that Robert and family migrated from Maryland > to NC sometime prior to 1782. Since William's eldest son, Isaac, was > born in 1773, William was likely about 1750 or earlier. > > Very logical assumptions have been made in the past linking the Robert > Whitaker of 1782 Surry County, NC. to the Robert Whitaker and Mary Hall of > the Quaker Joshua Whitaker clan to came to PA about 1719 from Lancashire > England by way of Ireland. In Bruce Whitaker's book "Whitaker, Reed, > Harper, Wright", and other publications, members of this Joshua Whitaker PA > family are traced to early (by 1759) Rowan County, NC., founding a large > Whitaker NC clan, most of whom moved west to Buncombe County, NC. > However, it seems clear that neither Robert and Mary Hall Whitaker, nor > their children, went to NC, but only slightly south of PA into Cecil > County, MD where they died with a will recorded. So that is not the > link. > > Another possibility is the Family of Mark Whitaker who was in Baltimore > County, MD. by 1702 (tax lists) and died there on May 1, 1729. His two > marriages and seven children are recorded in St. George's Parish Register. > There is no Robert listed, although it is always possible there was a son > Robert who is just not listed in the Parish registers. Mark's widdow > remarried to Francis Taylor on Oct. 1729 and soon thereafter the family > disappears from Baltimore County with members showing up in Prince George's > County and Frederick County, MD., and then to Rowan County, NC., by 1768. > It is my belief that Thomas Whitaker, son of Mark and Catherine Teag > Whitaker, born June 13, 1712 in Baltimore County, MD., is the same Thomas > Whitaker who died in 1787 in Surry County, NC., leaving a will naming sons > Mark and Johnson Whitaker. Due to the close proximity of members of the > Mark Whitaker of Baltimore County, MD family to who I believe is the family > of Robert Whitaker of Surry County, NC., in Prince George's County and > Frederick County, MD., and Surry County, NC., I would be willing to bet > there is a close family relationship. I believe Thomas and Robert > Whitaker of early Surry County, NC., are likely cousins, if not brothers. > It appears that any descendents of Thomas Whitaker who died in Surry NC in > 1787 left the county soon after 1800, and the large Whitaker clan of Surry > NC., are descended from William and Jonathan Whitaker, sons of Robert > Whitaker who died in Surry NC about 1782 and his wife Mary. > > Origins of Robert Whitaker, died ca. 1782 in Surry County, NC. > I believe that Robert Whitaker, patriarch of the Surry County, NC., > Whitaker's was the son of Robert Whitaker of Prince George's County, MD. > > Land records are pretty complete for Prince George's County, MD., from the > creation of the County in 1695. In searching those records, I first find > Robert Whitaker registering a cattle mark (brand) on January 4, 1731 in > Prince George's County (Liber Q, p. 399). Registering a cattle mark was > often done by a young man just strarting out in adult life, but could also > have been some one moving into the County at any age. > > The next entry I find (liber T, p. 480) is of a Robert Whitaker, "Gent." > who buys a tract of land called "Pentaland Hills" in Prince Georges County, > MD., on June 13, 1737 (deed recorded July 1, 1737) from RIchard Walles. > The price is 60pds and size is estimated at 100 acres. The appellation > "Gent." was usually reserved for men of some prosperity and education, so > apparently Robert Whitaker was doing well. > > I found in interesting that a cattle mark in registered in Prince Georges > County, MD., on July 1, 1734 by Flower Swift. Flower Swift is also in a > list of petitioners in Prince George's MD., in 1739. Flower Swift is > listed in the St. George Parish Register of Baltimore County, MD., as > marrying Elizabeth Whitaker, daughter of Mark Whitaker on Mary 13, 1725. > The name is so unusual, it is highly likely this is the same person and > puts members of Mark Whitaker Baltimore MD family in Prince Georges MD at > same time as Robert Whitaker. Another connection is found in a > Baltimore County, MD land transaction as follows: > 25, Feb. 1739: Thomas Whitaker of PG. Co. conveys 100 acres, part of a > tract called Westwood, which was formerly conveyed by Robert West to Mark > Whitaker, father of the grantor, back to Robert West. (HWS#1-A: 382) > > Here we have a second member of the Baltimore MD Mark Whitaker family > moving to Prince Georges County, MD., where Robert Whitaker lived. At > the name Thomas matches the Thomas Whitaker who died in Surry County, NC. > 1787. I therefore think it likely these are the same men. There is > also a land transaction in Prince Georges County, MD., (PG Land Record Book > BB 1, page 278), in which Thomas Whittaker for 20lbs buys a 50 acre tract > of land called "Prevention" on March 29, 1745, from Priscilla Wilson and > her son Thomas Wilson. > > The next entry for Robert Whitaker I found in LIber Y, p. 176, a Special > Petition of Robert Whitaker, Gent., regarding boundaries of "Pentland's > Hills" made April 17, 1740. Apparently "Pentland's Hills" was either > bigger than they thought, or Robert added to it with transactions not > recorded as on Nov. 23, 1743, Robert Whitaker of Prince Georges County, > MD., Gent., give the deed to "Pentland Hills" now listed as containing > about 300 acres as well as title to 13 slaves to James Russell of PG, > Merchant. Robert obtains 180lbs. money, but the deed is conditional and > is void if Robert pays back the money within 2 years. Apparently Robert > wanted or needed cash for something and obtained a loan and put up his land > as collateral. > > Unfortunately my Dallas library only has the transcripts for Prince > George's County Land books through 1746. The records exist beyond that, > and further research may well shed further light on the family through land > transactions. > > The next records regarding the family of Robert Whitaker of Prince Georges > MD., is found in the Will of Alexander Magruder, of Prince Georges County, > MD., written Feb. 4, 1740 and proved May 20, 1746. Among other family > bequests, Alexander leaves a slave to his daughter Elizabeth Whiteaker and > the southernmost half of a piece of land to Robert Whitaker and his wife > Elizabeth. From this it seems clear that Robert's wife was Elizabeth > Magruder. ( keep in mind this is Robert Whitaker Sr., whom I believe is > the father of Robert Whitaker of Surry NC.). > > Digressing a moment on the Magruder line. From pages 533 through 548 from > the book "Across The Years In Prince George's County, MD.", 1947, is an > article on the PG Magruder family. Magruder is a branch of the Scottish > Clan Mac Gregor said to be founded by Gregor, youngest son of Alpin > MacAchaia, King of the Scots from 833-836AD. It is reported in a > genealogy by Dr. Edward Magruder that Alexander Magruder (father of > Robert's father-in-law Alexander above), the immigrant to America was the > 3rd Great Grandson of Gillespie MacGregor, third son of Gregor MacGregor, > 12th Chief of the Clan. The history reports that Alexander Magruder Sr. > the immigrant, was born in Perthshire, Scotland, in 1610, and first appears > in Colonial Records of MD in 1653. He acquired considerable property and > left many descendants. His son Alexander Jr., father in law of Robert > Whitaker in Prince Georges MD., is listed as born in 1671 and died in > 1746, and was three times Justice of Prince Georges County, MD. > > The next piece of evidence and perhaps the most telling piece is the Will > of Robert Whitaker Sr., in Prince Georges County, MD. proved: June 27, > 1753. > He give his person estate to his 7 youngest children: Susannah, Elizabeth, > Susan, Henry, Sarah, Priscilla, and Alexander. Although not named, his > wife Elizabeth was still living as evidenced by son William's will of 1757. > He then gives to his two eldest sons, William and Robert, all the tract I > dwell on. It is this Robert Jr. whom I think is the Robert who founded > the Surry NC Whitaker clan. The naming conventions are interesting. > By naming his second son after himself and his fourth son after his > father-in-law, Alexander Magruder, he seems to be following classic naming > patterns common in Northern Europe. Filling in the blanks, one could > logically assume that Robert Sr's father's name was William and his > grandfather's name was Henry. > > Another connection with clues is found in the 1776 Census of Maryland in > which in Frederick County, MD (where Mark Whitaker Jr. from Baltimore > County, MD., moved and was married) is an Alexander Whitaker, age 30, wife > Hester age 25, and daughter Elizabeth Magruder Whitaker age 2. This > clearly would be Robert Sr's youngest child named in his 1753 Prince > Georges County, MD will. This puts the birth of Robert Sr. youngest son > at 1746 and generally allowing at least two years between children, would > place Robert Whitaker Jr.'s birth at 1732 or earlier. This matches with > Robert Jr being at least 21 at the death of his father in 1753. The > location of Alexander in 1776 Frederick County, MD. is yet another clue to > a family connection to the Mark Whitaker, Baltimore MD family. Did this > Alexander move south. Likely. He is not in 1790 Maryland Census and an > Alexander Whitaker shows up in 1782 list of men subject to having property > confiscated in Rowan County, NC., along with a Henry (not brother of Robert > Jr.), Giles (a large Giles surname family existed in Baltimore County, MD > when Mark's family was there), James (Mark Sr. had a son James), John, and > RIchard. > > The other brothers of Robert Whitaker Jr. of Prince Georges County, MD., > died without heirs. William's will was proved in Prince Georges MD. > March 20, 1757, in which he names his brothers: Henry, Alexander, and > Robert, his mother Elizabeth, and the same "Pentland Hills" tract of land > his father had (apparently he paid back the loan). Brother Henry's died > in Prince Georges MD. Feb. 2, 1773, and left an estate of 323lbs. His > brother Robert was administrator. Next of kin named are Alexander > Whitaker and Susanna Whitaker. This indicates Robert Jr was still in MD > in 1773. Three court actions are brought regarding Henry's estate. One > on Nov. 3, 1778, Robert Whitaker is still listed as executor. Two later > ones dated Nov 28, 1781, and April 13, 1783 show a new executor, Austin > Allen. From this it would appear that Robert Whitaker Jr., left Prince > Georges County, MD before 1781, which matches earliest dates of Robert > Whitaker showing up in Surry County NC. > > Further research in land records of Prince Georges County MD., could > provide further confirmation, but it certainly appears to me that the > Robert Whitaker of Prince Georges County, MD. is the founder of the Surry > County, NC Whitaker families. > > Last, where did Robert Whitaker who shows up in 1731 in Prince Georges > County, MD., come from? As I indicated, he could be an unlisted son of > Mark Whitaker of Baltimore County, MD. However since the family naming > patterns are so different, I rather doubt this. Mark of Baltimore had > sons Thomas, Mark, Empson (after wife's maiden name), and James. None > of these names match Robert's Prince Georges MD family of WIlliam, Robert, > Henry, and Alexander. The close proximity of the families suggest some > kinship. Since Mark Sr. of Baltimore MD died in 1729 when his children > were all minors, perhaps some of all decided to move to stay with relative > Robert in Prince Georges County. Perhaps an uncle or cousin. > > So where might Robert have come from? Robert Whitaker is not an > extremely common name. An interesting possibility is a record in "The > Complete Book of Emigrants" by Coldham. vol. 3. 1700-1750. On page 23 is > a listing of men apprenticed at Liverpool to Mr Thomas Leckonby to be > shipped to Virginia on the ship "Globe" on January 23, 1701. In the list > is a Robert Whitaker, of Lancashire, age 19, to serve 4 years . Aside > from agriculture, the largest industry and employer in the Colonies at the > time shipping. It was not unusual for young men without means to serve a > career at sea, amassing some wealth, and then only after a number of years, > settling down to marry and build a family as a country Gentleman. Could > this 19 years old Robert Whitaker from Lancashire, England, apprenticed to > VA be the same Robert Whitaker who arrived in Prince Georges County MD, > some years later, perhaps marrying in the 1720's to Elizabeth Magruder, > daughter of a well to do land owner? If so, this year would mark the > 300th anniversary of this Whitaker branch immigration to America. > Perhaps further research in VA or other counties in MD records before 1730 > will shed light on where Robert Sr. came from. I did do a search of all > MD wills before 1730 and did not find any reference to a Robert Whitaker. > > Please feel free to ask questions, correct, or enhance this analysis. I > hope the readers find it helpful. > > > > > > > Thanks, Rich Fulton, rfulton@us.ibm.com > World Wide Mid-Market Sales Executive, S/390 SW, SWG > IBM, home office > 1420 West Main Street, Apt. 1008 > Lewisville, TX. 75067 USA > Phone: 972-434-1033, t/l 450-8996 > Fax: 817-962-8780, t/l 522-8780 > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > WHITAKER List Administrator > <commander@inetone.net> > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

My direct line is from John Whitaker who died leaving a will in Baltimore County, MD. in 1713. There are zillions of descendents today. My line is through John's son Charles (1693-1739), through Charles' son Rev. John Whitaker (1722-1798) who migrated with his large family first to Western PA then in 1780 to the Louisville, KY area, through Rev. John's son Abraham, through Abraham's son Bland Ballard Whitaker (1803-1870) (often confused with another Bland Ballard Whitaker, a cousin who went to Indiana) who migrated to Ind then in 1835 to Illinois, ending up in Logan County, ILL., through his daughter Seretta, my Gr-Gr Grandmother. Early Baltimore County, MD Genealogy Bibliography In my hobby of colllecting Whitaker information I have gathered a fair amount of information. Happy to share. I have also purchased a lot of books of records of Baltimore County MD up to late 1700's. Happy to help do a look up as long as folks realize I have a full time job and may take a few days to get back to you. Some of the books I have regarding Baltimore County, MD. are: Baltimore County, MD., Deed Abstracts 1659-1750, by Robert Barnes (great book, gives history of who owned tracts of land by dates) Baltimore County, MD., Deed Records, vol. 3. 1755-1767, by John Davis (I do not have copies of other volumes, but I have copies of Whitaker pages) Maryland Rent Rolls, Baltimore and Anne Arundel Counties, 1700-1707, 1705-1724, from Md Hist Mag The Flower of the Maryland Palatinate, by Harry Newman (good for early history of MD in 1600's) St. George's Parish Registers, 1689-1793, by Bill and Martha Reamy (most of the Balt Whitakers are here) St. John's and St. George's Parish Registers, 1696-1851, by Henry Peden Jr. Records of St Paul's Parish, Baltimore County, MD., early 1700's through 1800, by Bill and Martha Reamy St. Thomas Parish Registers, 1732-1850, by Bill and Martha Reamy. Inhabitants of Baltimore County, 1692-1763, by F. Edward Wright. Misc records. Does not include all early tax lists in existence, tax lists for 1696-1705 exist but not included. I have copies of those from other sources. Abstracts of Baltimore County Land Commissions 1727-1762. by Henry Peden. These are transcripts of Petitions and Depositions concerning land. Inhabitants of Baltimore County, MD. 1763-1774, by Henry Peden 1776 Census of Maryland, by Bettie Carothers. Excellent information for MD in general. However on Middlesex Hundred for Balt. County exists. Harford County is listed. Harford County was created from Eastern Baltimore County in 1773. 1783 Tax List of Baltimore County, MD., by Barnes and Carothers. Good material. Includes drawings of Horvath maps of "hundreds" (like districts) of the county. Excellent material usually listing land tract name, number of acres, # of white male, total # of whites, lists of single men, and paupers. Revolutionary Patriots of Baltimore Town and Baltimore County, MD. 1775-1783. by Henry Peden Quaker Records of Northern Maryland, 1716-1800, by Henry Peden Jr. (in case you are wondering, no Whitakers are listed in here) An excellent research book that I do not have a copy of (would buy one if I could find it) is Barnes', Families of Baltimore County, MD. I have made extensive copies of pages of the book relating to Whitaker's and related lines. I basically has mini-genealogies of most families of pre 1760 Baltimore County, MD. An excellent researcher and genealogist was the late Beaumont Whitaker, also a descendent of John Whitaker of Baltimore County, MD., through the same line as mine who went to KY., through a brother of my Abraham, son of Rev. John of KY. I have copies of three papers he wrote: The Whitaker Families of Baltimore County, MD. Whitakers on the Monongahela, about the extended family of Rev. John who moved to Western PA about 1767. A Paper on Rev. John Whitaker of Kentucky Beaumont's family gave his research material to the Jones Memorial Library in Lynchburg, VA. (where he lived), where it is keep in special collections. I visited there and copied most of his materials. Thanks, Rich Fulton, rfulton@us.ibm.com World Wide Mid-Market Sales Executive, S/390 SW, SWG IBM, home office 1420 West Main Street, Apt. 1008 Lewisville, TX. 75067 USA Phone: 972-434-1033, t/l 450-8996 Fax: 817-962-8780, t/l 522-8780

Susan, Actually I was asking Richard. Sorry, I should have specified. There is an article "The Whitaker Family of Baltimore County, MD", by Beaumont Whitaker. It covers the John Whitacre family from 1677 to 1767. Some of the family migrated to PA, Kentucky and VA. My line stayed in MD. He does mention the family of Mark Whiteaker, but only he and his children. The names most common in the family were John, Charles, Isaac, Peter and Abraham. There were no Roberts. There appears to be no connection with the Surry County, NC Whitakers. Marion > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Thanks to Susan Gall for sending more details on the Surry NC Whitaker clan. I have a fairly large collection of Maryland Whitaker information as well as access to a great library in Dallas. I started poking around at the Surry NC Whitaker origins puzzle. I think the following contain good possibilities. I will leave it up to the reader to decide. Also, if I somebody spots an error in the information or logic, please speak up. Here goes. The data that exists from Surry County, NC strongly points to a Robert Whitaker who died in Surry County NC about 1782 and wife Mary and their two sons, William the elder and Jonathan who are the progenitors of the large Surry NC Whitaker clan. Rumors and/or family stories suggest Maryland as the birthplace of William and that Robert and family migrated from Maryland to NC sometime prior to 1782. Since William's eldest son, Isaac, was born in 1773, William was likely about 1750 or earlier. Very logical assumptions have been made in the past linking the Robert Whitaker of 1782 Surry County, NC. to the Robert Whitaker and Mary Hall of the Quaker Joshua Whitaker clan to came to PA about 1719 from Lancashire England by way of Ireland. In Bruce Whitaker's book "Whitaker, Reed, Harper, Wright", and other publications, members of this Joshua Whitaker PA family are traced to early (by 1759) Rowan County, NC., founding a large Whitaker NC clan, most of whom moved west to Buncombe County, NC. However, it seems clear that neither Robert and Mary Hall Whitaker, nor their children, went to NC, but only slightly south of PA into Cecil County, MD where they died with a will recorded. So that is not the link. Another possibility is the Family of Mark Whitaker who was in Baltimore County, MD. by 1702 (tax lists) and died there on May 1, 1729. His two marriages and seven children are recorded in St. George's Parish Register. There is no Robert listed, although it is always possible there was a son Robert who is just not listed in the Parish registers. Mark's widdow remarried to Francis Taylor on Oct. 1729 and soon thereafter the family disappears from Baltimore County with members showing up in Prince George's County and Frederick County, MD., and then to Rowan County, NC., by 1768. It is my belief that Thomas Whitaker, son of Mark and Catherine Teag Whitaker, born June 13, 1712 in Baltimore County, MD., is the same Thomas Whitaker who died in 1787 in Surry County, NC., leaving a will naming sons Mark and Johnson Whitaker. Due to the close proximity of members of the Mark Whitaker of Baltimore County, MD family to who I believe is the family of Robert Whitaker of Surry County, NC., in Prince George's County and Frederick County, MD., and Surry County, NC., I would be willing to bet there is a close family relationship. I believe Thomas and Robert Whitaker of early Surry County, NC., are likely cousins, if not brothers. It appears that any descendents of Thomas Whitaker who died in Surry NC in 1787 left the county soon after 1800, and the large Whitaker clan of Surry NC., are descended from William and Jonathan Whitaker, sons of Robert Whitaker who died in Surry NC about 1782 and his wife Mary. Origins of Robert Whitaker, died ca. 1782 in Surry County, NC. I believe that Robert Whitaker, patriarch of the Surry County, NC., Whitaker's was the son of Robert Whitaker of Prince George's County, MD. Land records are pretty complete for Prince George's County, MD., from the creation of the County in 1695. In searching those records, I first find Robert Whitaker registering a cattle mark (brand) on January 4, 1731 in Prince George's County (Liber Q, p. 399). Registering a cattle mark was often done by a young man just strarting out in adult life, but could also have been some one moving into the County at any age. The next entry I find (liber T, p. 480) is of a Robert Whitaker, "Gent." who buys a tract of land called "Pentaland Hills" in Prince Georges County, MD., on June 13, 1737 (deed recorded July 1, 1737) from RIchard Walles. The price is 60pds and size is estimated at 100 acres. The appellation "Gent." was usually reserved for men of some prosperity and education, so apparently Robert Whitaker was doing well. I found in interesting that a cattle mark in registered in Prince Georges County, MD., on July 1, 1734 by Flower Swift. Flower Swift is also in a list of petitioners in Prince George's MD., in 1739. Flower Swift is listed in the St. George Parish Register of Baltimore County, MD., as marrying Elizabeth Whitaker, daughter of Mark Whitaker on Mary 13, 1725. The name is so unusual, it is highly likely this is the same person and puts members of Mark Whitaker Baltimore MD family in Prince Georges MD at same time as Robert Whitaker. Another connection is found in a Baltimore County, MD land transaction as follows: 25, Feb. 1739: Thomas Whitaker of PG. Co. conveys 100 acres, part of a tract called Westwood, which was formerly conveyed by Robert West to Mark Whitaker, father of the grantor, back to Robert West. (HWS#1-A: 382) Here we have a second member of the Baltimore MD Mark Whitaker family moving to Prince Georges County, MD., where Robert Whitaker lived. At the name Thomas matches the Thomas Whitaker who died in Surry County, NC. 1787. I therefore think it likely these are the same men. There is also a land transaction in Prince Georges County, MD., (PG Land Record Book BB 1, page 278), in which Thomas Whittaker for 20lbs buys a 50 acre tract of land called "Prevention" on March 29, 1745, from Priscilla Wilson and her son Thomas Wilson. The next entry for Robert Whitaker I found in LIber Y, p. 176, a Special Petition of Robert Whitaker, Gent., regarding boundaries of "Pentland's Hills" made April 17, 1740. Apparently "Pentland's Hills" was either bigger than they thought, or Robert added to it with transactions not recorded as on Nov. 23, 1743, Robert Whitaker of Prince Georges County, MD., Gent., give the deed to "Pentland Hills" now listed as containing about 300 acres as well as title to 13 slaves to James Russell of PG, Merchant. Robert obtains 180lbs. money, but the deed is conditional and is void if Robert pays back the money within 2 years. Apparently Robert wanted or needed cash for something and obtained a loan and put up his land as collateral. Unfortunately my Dallas library only has the transcripts for Prince George's County Land books through 1746. The records exist beyond that, and further research may well shed further light on the family through land transactions. The next records regarding the family of Robert Whitaker of Prince Georges MD., is found in the Will of Alexander Magruder, of Prince Georges County, MD., written Feb. 4, 1740 and proved May 20, 1746. Among other family bequests, Alexander leaves a slave to his daughter Elizabeth Whiteaker and the southernmost half of a piece of land to Robert Whitaker and his wife Elizabeth. From this it seems clear that Robert's wife was Elizabeth Magruder. ( keep in mind this is Robert Whitaker Sr., whom I believe is the father of Robert Whitaker of Surry NC.). Digressing a moment on the Magruder line. From pages 533 through 548 from the book "Across The Years In Prince George's County, MD.", 1947, is an article on the PG Magruder family. Magruder is a branch of the Scottish Clan Mac Gregor said to be founded by Gregor, youngest son of Alpin MacAchaia, King of the Scots from 833-836AD. It is reported in a genealogy by Dr. Edward Magruder that Alexander Magruder (father of Robert's father-in-law Alexander above), the immigrant to America was the 3rd Great Grandson of Gillespie MacGregor, third son of Gregor MacGregor, 12th Chief of the Clan. The history reports that Alexander Magruder Sr. the immigrant, was born in Perthshire, Scotland, in 1610, and first appears in Colonial Records of MD in 1653. He acquired considerable property and left many descendants. His son Alexander Jr., father in law of Robert Whitaker in Prince Georges MD., is listed as born in 1671 and died in 1746, and was three times Justice of Prince Georges County, MD. The next piece of evidence and perhaps the most telling piece is the Will of Robert Whitaker Sr., in Prince Georges County, MD. proved: June 27, 1753. He give his person estate to his 7 youngest children: Susannah, Elizabeth, Susan, Henry, Sarah, Priscilla, and Alexander. Although not named, his wife Elizabeth was still living as evidenced by son William's will of 1757. He then gives to his two eldest sons, William and Robert, all the tract I dwell on. It is this Robert Jr. whom I think is the Robert who founded the Surry NC Whitaker clan. The naming conventions are interesting. By naming his second son after himself and his fourth son after his father-in-law, Alexander Magruder, he seems to be following classic naming patterns common in Northern Europe. Filling in the blanks, one could logically assume that Robert Sr's father's name was William and his grandfather's name was Henry. Another connection with clues is found in the 1776 Census of Maryland in which in Frederick County, MD (where Mark Whitaker Jr. from Baltimore County, MD., moved and was married) is an Alexander Whitaker, age 30, wife Hester age 25, and daughter Elizabeth Magruder Whitaker age 2. This clearly would be Robert Sr's youngest child named in his 1753 Prince Georges County, MD will. This puts the birth of Robert Sr. youngest son at 1746 and generally allowing at least two years between children, would place Robert Whitaker Jr.'s birth at 1732 or earlier. This matches with Robert Jr being at least 21 at the death of his father in 1753. The location of Alexander in 1776 Frederick County, MD. is yet another clue to a family connection to the Mark Whitaker, Baltimore MD family. Did this Alexander move south. Likely. He is not in 1790 Maryland Census and an Alexander Whitaker shows up in 1782 list of men subject to having property confiscated in Rowan County, NC., along with a Henry (not brother of Robert Jr.), Giles (a large Giles surname family existed in Baltimore County, MD when Mark's family was there), James (Mark Sr. had a son James), John, and RIchard. The other brothers of Robert Whitaker Jr. of Prince Georges County, MD., died without heirs. William's will was proved in Prince Georges MD. March 20, 1757, in which he names his brothers: Henry, Alexander, and Robert, his mother Elizabeth, and the same "Pentland Hills" tract of land his father had (apparently he paid back the loan). Brother Henry's died in Prince Georges MD. Feb. 2, 1773, and left an estate of 323lbs. His brother Robert was administrator. Next of kin named are Alexander Whitaker and Susanna Whitaker. This indicates Robert Jr was still in MD in 1773. Three court actions are brought regarding Henry's estate. One on Nov. 3, 1778, Robert Whitaker is still listed as executor. Two later ones dated Nov 28, 1781, and April 13, 1783 show a new executor, Austin Allen. From this it would appear that Robert Whitaker Jr., left Prince Georges County, MD before 1781, which matches earliest dates of Robert Whitaker showing up in Surry County NC. Further research in land records of Prince Georges County MD., could provide further confirmation, but it certainly appears to me that the Robert Whitaker of Prince Georges County, MD. is the founder of the Surry County, NC Whitaker families. Last, where did Robert Whitaker who shows up in 1731 in Prince Georges County, MD., come from? As I indicated, he could be an unlisted son of Mark Whitaker of Baltimore County, MD. However since the family naming patterns are so different, I rather doubt this. Mark of Baltimore had sons Thomas, Mark, Empson (after wife's maiden name), and James. None of these names match Robert's Prince Georges MD family of WIlliam, Robert, Henry, and Alexander. The close proximity of the families suggest some kinship. Since Mark Sr. of Baltimore MD died in 1729 when his children were all minors, perhaps some of all decided to move to stay with relative Robert in Prince Georges County. Perhaps an uncle or cousin. So where might Robert have come from? Robert Whitaker is not an extremely common name. An interesting possibility is a record in "The Complete Book of Emigrants" by Coldham. vol. 3. 1700-1750. On page 23 is a listing of men apprenticed at Liverpool to Mr Thomas Leckonby to be shipped to Virginia on the ship "Globe" on January 23, 1701. In the list is a Robert Whitaker, of Lancashire, age 19, to serve 4 years . Aside from agriculture, the largest industry and employer in the Colonies at the time shipping. It was not unusual for young men without means to serve a career at sea, amassing some wealth, and then only after a number of years, settling down to marry and build a family as a country Gentleman. Could this 19 years old Robert Whitaker from Lancashire, England, apprenticed to VA be the same Robert Whitaker who arrived in Prince Georges County MD, some years later, perhaps marrying in the 1720's to Elizabeth Magruder, daughter of a well to do land owner? If so, this year would mark the 300th anniversary of this Whitaker branch immigration to America. Perhaps further research in VA or other counties in MD records before 1730 will shed light on where Robert Sr. came from. I did do a search of all MD wills before 1730 and did not find any reference to a Robert Whitaker. Please feel free to ask questions, correct, or enhance this analysis. I hope the readers find it helpful. Thanks, Rich Fulton, rfulton@us.ibm.com World Wide Mid-Market Sales Executive, S/390 SW, SWG IBM, home office 1420 West Main Street, Apt. 1008 Lewisville, TX. 75067 USA Phone: 972-434-1033, t/l 450-8996 Fax: 817-962-8780, t/l 522-8780

Marion, If you are asking me....the answer is at this point we don't know who Robert Whitaker who was married to a Mary ? who came to Surry Co. NC abt. 1788 family was or even exactly where he was from - there is speculation that he was from Baltimore Co. MD. There was a Thomas Whitaker who lived near our William and Jonathan Whitaker (the two brothers of Robert and Mary) but he doesn't at this point seem to be related. However it is known that he is the son of Mark Whitaker and Catherine Empson of Baltimore Co. MD. I don't know anything about a John Whitaker of Baltimore Co. but would really like to find out more about him and whether he had a son or brother named Robert who came south. I don't believe Mark had any sons named Robert - do you know if John did? Any information gratefully accepted!!! Susan Gall Winston-Salem, NC On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 13:26:17 -0300 Marion Baker <marbake@optonline.net> writes: > You say your line is from early Baltimore County. Would that be from > John > Whitacre or Mark Whitaker? > Marion Baker > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Rev. John and Mary McComas Whitaker Marion Baker wrote: > You say your line is from early Baltimore County. Would that be from John > Whitacre or Mark Whitaker? > Marion Baker > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Looking for a John Whitaker from Pitt Co. N.C. Had a daughter that married Jesse KEEL from Pitt Co. N.C. They came to North Alabama ca 1810. Any help would appreciated. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Baker" <marbake@optonline.net> To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [WHITAKER] Surry County, NC Whitakers > You say your line is from early Baltimore County. Would that be from John > Whitacre or Mark Whitaker? > Marion Baker > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

You say your line is from early Baltimore County. Would that be from John Whitacre or Mark Whitaker? Marion Baker

Richard, I was one of those folks on the Whitaker list speaking of William and Jonathan and Jonathan II's daugher Lucinda Whitaker who married Abner Bagby - these are my ancestors. To answer your questions: William and Jonathan who lived near each other were brothers - at least Jonathan I and William were brothers - William and wife Mary (surname unknown or also a Whitaker) also had a son named Jonathan and for clarity sake the researchers of this family call him Jonathan II - he is my ancestor and he was married to Sarah Elizabeth Howard, daugther of a William Howard. Jonathan I was married to Anna Dezern in 1780 in Surry Co. NC - I have no other information on him (no children known) except that he was born 1763 and died 1819. His brother William is said to have been born abt. 1750 and died Aug. 24, 1825 in Surry Co. NC. There are no other known siblings to these two men. Their father is said to be a Robert Whitaker with wife named Mary. Robert apparrently died close to 1788 right before signing his land grant in Surry Co. - his name was on the deed but crossed out and his wife Mary signed in 1788 because he had died before signing. They are said to be from Baltimore Co. MD and so far all we know is that they are NOT the Robert and Mary Hall Whitaker of Cecil Co., MD who both died there with wills on record - Robert in 1754 - with different children, no William and no Jonathan. William's wife Mary was born 1758 and died 1835 - they were married in 1722. Their children are as follows: Isaac, b. 1773 (this is the Isaac you asked about who married Nancy Elizabeth Worth), Abraham, b. 1775, Lydia b. 1779, Jonathan II b. 1782, William David Jr. b. 1785, Nancy b. 1788, Edmund b. 1790, Betsy b. 1793, Salley b. 1795, Rebecca b. 1798, Mary Polly b. 1800 and Silas. The listing for my Abner Bagby and Lucinda Whitaker on the census is interesting. They have the correct age for Abner - Lucinda was actually born in 1821 and is two years older - 29, not 27 - did women lie about their age even then????? Also interesting is Nancy Ann who is listed as being 10 years old. Her birth date is recorded as 1849 but this would have made her actually born 1839 or 1840 which I believe is really the case. Her husband was born in 1845 and perhaps she said she was born in 1849 to be younger than he rather than older. I think the census is right in this instance - because she would have been only age 1 if born in 1949 - hard to make a mistake on that! Also Zackery Taylor Bagby was NOT 3 years old in 1850 but he WAS born in 1849 and was 1 year old and therefore born AFTER Zachary Taylor was elected president. Thomas Whitaker as far as we know, although he lived near these other Whitakers in myline - is not part of this family. At least not as far as we know at this point. His father is said to be Mark Whitaker who was married to Elizabeth Empson and they were from Baltimore Co. MD - he may be a cousin to my folks...even possibly a brother although it doesn't appear to be the case. I have one other child of Thomas that you didn't have listed and that is a Margaret. I think that the Mark who signed his will WAS probably his son. I don't know of another Mark of the same age of Thomas in the area at the time to have been brother to Thomas - although since his father and son are named Mark it is also likely that he HAD a brother Mark. Are you totally confused now? I have lots more information on the family if you want it but what concerns me and others most now is trying to find where and from who our Robert and Mary Whitaker came. Records in Baltimore Co. MD seem hard to come by or non-existant for this Robert - but I don't have access to many records from that area. Do you? Any help you can give would be wonderful!!! Hope that helps clear some things up - I hope to hear from you. Susan J. Balde Gall Winston-Salem, NC Descendant of Robert>William>Jonathan II>Lucinda Whitaker On Sat, 30 Jun 2001 09:20:06 -0500 "Richard Fulton" <rfulton@us.ibm.com> writes: > I have been reading with interest the postings regarding the Surry > County, > NC. Whitakers. I have been collecting Whitaker information for > years, > but had never really looked hard at the large Surry County, NC clan. > I > have quite a bit of information about the early MD Whitakers and > think I > many have some connection information to Surry NC. I want to > check a > few more things before I post, but in the meantime, does anyone have > lists > of the children of the following early Surry NC Whitakers found in > 1790 > Census? > > William Whitaker > Jonathan Whitaker I > William and Jonathan seem to live next door to each other and > I > suspect they are brothers. Correct? > Is this William the one who died in Surry NC leaving a will in > 1824? > I have seen referenced to them as sons of Robert Whitaker who > died in > Surry County, 1782 and wife Mary Whitaker. I cannot find > documentation > for this. Can anybody point me to records or is this personal > history > passed down? > > Johnson Whitaker. > Johnson Whitaker is named in 1787 Surry County, NC will of his > father > THomas Whitaker. Does anyone know how this Johnson Whitaker is > (or is > not) related to William and Jonathan above? Thomas Whitaker's > 1787 > Surry County will names wife Mary, sons Mark and Johnson, daughters > Elizabeth, Mary, Nancy, and Jane. The will is witnessed by Mark > Whittacor and the 1782 Surry County Tax list shows a Mark Whitaker. > This > Mark is likely a brother or cousin and not the son. Anybody has > a list > of Johnson's children? > > In 1850 Surry County, NC census page 346 is listed an Isaac Whitaker > age 77 > (therefore born about 1773) and his wife Nancy age 78. Any body > know > which (if any) of the above Whitaker's Isaac is the son of? > > FYI per the first of these recent postings regarding Surry County, > NC > asking about Abner and Lucinda Whitaker Bagby: > 1850 Surry County, NC Census page 192: > Abner Bagley, age 39, Farmer, $350 property, born in NC > Lucinda, age 27, born NC > Johnathan W., age 13, b: NC > Nancy A., age 10, b: NC > RIchard L., age 9, b: NC > Sarah E., age 7, b: NC > William A., age 5, b: NC > Robert C., age 3, b: NC > Zachery T., age 3, b: NC. (Interesting to name child after Zachery > Taylor > before he was elected President under the WHIG party in 1848, He > was also > a famous general in 1845 war with Mexico. He was from VA. Never > lived > in NC.) > > By the way, my line is from early Baltimore County, MD, but went > west to > PA, KY and beyond. > > > Thanks, Rich Fulton, rfulton@us.ibm.com > World Wide Mid-Market Sales Executive, S/390 SW, SWG > IBM, home office > 1420 West Main Street, Apt. 1008 > Lewisville, TX. 75067 USA > Phone: 972-434-1033, t/l 450-8996 > Fax: 817-962-8780, t/l 522-8780 > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

I have been reading with interest the postings regarding the Surry County, NC. Whitakers. I have been collecting Whitaker information for years, but had never really looked hard at the large Surry County, NC clan. I have quite a bit of information about the early MD Whitakers and think I many have some connection information to Surry NC. I want to check a few more things before I post, but in the meantime, does anyone have lists of the children of the following early Surry NC Whitakers found in 1790 Census? William Whitaker Jonathan Whitaker I William and Jonathan seem to live next door to each other and I suspect they are brothers. Correct? Is this William the one who died in Surry NC leaving a will in 1824? I have seen referenced to them as sons of Robert Whitaker who died in Surry County, 1782 and wife Mary Whitaker. I cannot find documentation for this. Can anybody point me to records or is this personal history passed down? Johnson Whitaker. Johnson Whitaker is named in 1787 Surry County, NC will of his father THomas Whitaker. Does anyone know how this Johnson Whitaker is (or is not) related to William and Jonathan above? Thomas Whitaker's 1787 Surry County will names wife Mary, sons Mark and Johnson, daughters Elizabeth, Mary, Nancy, and Jane. The will is witnessed by Mark Whittacor and the 1782 Surry County Tax list shows a Mark Whitaker. This Mark is likely a brother or cousin and not the son. Anybody has a list of Johnson's children? In 1850 Surry County, NC census page 346 is listed an Isaac Whitaker age 77 (therefore born about 1773) and his wife Nancy age 78. Any body know which (if any) of the above Whitaker's Isaac is the son of? FYI per the first of these recent postings regarding Surry County, NC asking about Abner and Lucinda Whitaker Bagby: 1850 Surry County, NC Census page 192: Abner Bagley, age 39, Farmer, $350 property, born in NC Lucinda, age 27, born NC Johnathan W., age 13, b: NC Nancy A., age 10, b: NC RIchard L., age 9, b: NC Sarah E., age 7, b: NC William A., age 5, b: NC Robert C., age 3, b: NC Zachery T., age 3, b: NC. (Interesting to name child after Zachery Taylor before he was elected President under the WHIG party in 1848, He was also a famous general in 1845 war with Mexico. He was from VA. Never lived in NC.) By the way, my line is from early Baltimore County, MD, but went west to PA, KY and beyond. Thanks, Rich Fulton, rfulton@us.ibm.com World Wide Mid-Market Sales Executive, S/390 SW, SWG IBM, home office 1420 West Main Street, Apt. 1008 Lewisville, TX. 75067 USA Phone: 972-434-1033, t/l 450-8996 Fax: 817-962-8780, t/l 522-8780

Hi my name is Dale Robert Munger. My e-mail address is dmunger@adelphia.net. I noticed on a Pedigree Chart under Ancestry World Tree entries there was listed a Albert Bloom Whitaker and a Lina Morton Phillips. I found this interesting since my Great-Grandfather was Albert Blooming-dale Whitaker. He married a Lina M Phillips. Lina M. (PHILLIPS) Whitaker was born in Michigan around 1863 (give or take a few years). My Grandfather was Ralph Houston Whitaker (Born: July 3, 1895) (Died June 10, 1968) It is possible Albert and LINA had a daughter named Bertha Emmaline WHITAKER who died around 1936 She would have been born between 1884 to 1894. He was born in EDINBURGH, N.Y. (Edinburgh, NY is about 6 miles from Luzerne and about 5 miles from Corinth, NY) Little is known about Albert Blooming-Dale Whitaker. We know he lived on Foxhill road in the town of Edinburgh, NY. We know he married a young lady from Michigan. Her name was Lina PHILLIPS. We know my grandfather was born on July 3, 1895. Albert Blooming-Dale Whitaker (Born: {around} 1848) Birth place: unknown (Died: October 1917) Place of death was Corinth, NY Lina Morton (Phillips) Whitaker (Born: {around} 1863) She lived in Michigan (Don't know if she was born there.) (Died: Sep 4, 1900) Place of death was Edinburgh, NY. My mother was: Mildred Alana (WHITAKER) Munger Her father was: Ralph Houston Whitaker Her mother was: Anna (Weldon) Whitaker Her Grandfather was: Albert Blooming-Dale Whitaker Her Grandmother was: Lina (PHILLIPS) Whitaker This is all I know hope you know more. Any information you might have would be greatly appreciated. Dale Robert Munger ----------------------------------------------------- Click here for Free Video!! http://www.gohip.com/free_video/

Could anyone help in my search for info. regarding my g. grandfather George WHITAKER. All I know is that he was a horse trainer and publican who was born in Manchester. (Maybe Salford Manchester/Lancaster?) He had a son Edgar (1894-1952 b. Salford Manchester) who married Flora TWIGG (1909-1974 Sheffield). They resided and raised a family in Derbyshire and both died in that city. I recently received an e-mail from Gilly who was kind enough to search the 1881 census and she found; George Whittaker 26 M Salford, Lancashire, England Publican Dwelling 97 Ellor Street Salford, Lancashire, England Other members in the household were Servants. I do not know if the George Whittaker/Whitaker is mine! Is there a 1891 census available that would show George Whitaker with a wife and family. This may help me relate the 2 names. Any help appreciated. susan

Hi Jeff, Do you have a birth cert for Edgar as this will give you his mothers maiden name,and then perhaps you could find a marriage between her and George,which may provide a better location than just Manchester area. Hope this helps Gilly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Vandervet" <jsv@perigee.net> To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 25, 2001 3:57 PM Subject: [WHITAKER] Whitaker-England > > > Could anyone help in my search for info. regarding my g. grandfather > George > WHITAKER. All I know is that he was a horse trainer and > publican who was born in Manchester. (Maybe Salford > Manchester/Lancaster?) He had a son Edgar (1894-1952 b. Salford > Manchester) who married Flora TWIGG (1909-1974 Sheffield). They > resided and raised a family in Derbyshire and both died in that city. > > I recently received an e-mail from Gilly who was kind enough to search > the 1881 census and she found; > > George Whittaker 26 M Salford, Lancashire, England Publican > Dwelling 97 Ellor Street Salford, Lancashire, England > Other members in the household were Servants. > > I do not know if the George Whittaker/Whitaker is mine! > > Is there a 1891 census available that would show George Whitaker with a > wife and family. This may help me relate the 2 names. > > Any help appreciated. > > susan > > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library >

Sorry Margie, I have no James Degroff Whitaker. There was a very large group of Quaker Whitakers in Chester Co from early in the 1700s. And there were Whitakers in other counties of PA also. Cathy ----- Original Message ----- From: Margie <mearns@ismi.net> To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: Re: [WHITAKER] Joseph Whittaker/1755:Born at sea > Interested in your reference to PA. My ggrandfather James Degroff Whitaker > born 1843 may have been born in PA . That is what he put on the 1900 census > for himself and for his childrens father's birthplace. He marriedCivil war > discharge in NY states birthplace of Saratoga Springs, NY. He married Lydia > J. Kelley in Marshall co. Ind. , migrated to Nebraska, Ill. and then > Michigan. Any info would be appreciated. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cathy Berger" <o2bab@bedford.net> > To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 4:57 PM > Subject: Re: [WHITAKER] Joseph Whittaker/1755:Born at sea > > > > Interesting! We have Joseph Musgrave Whitaker, born 1755 also, but > > christened in Leeds, England. Arived in America with the British troops > and > > kdeserted in Maryland. Ended up first in Coventry, Chester co, Pa and > then > > in Berks Co, PA as a weaver and woodcutter. > > > > Cathy > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kyleen Gavin <smiley23@citrus.infi.net> > > To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 2:28 PM > > Subject: [WHITAKER] Joseph Whittaker/1755:Born at sea > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > I am very interested in connecting with other who may be able to shed > > > some light on Joseph Whittaker, born at sea about 1755. According to > > > what information I have, his nationality was unknown; nor do I know the > > > name of the ship. His parents reportedly died at sea and he was bound > > > out in N.C. He was reputed to be a courier for George Washington during > > > the Revolutionary War. He married Obedience "Biddie" Purdue and had a > > > number of children. > > > > > > Does anyone have additional information that might help me in knowing > > > more about him? Parenthetically, one of his sons was Aaron. One of > > > Aaron's sons was William Aaron, who was my gr-gr-gr-grandfather. This > > > Whittaker line went from Pulaski CO., Va to Giles CO., to Mercer Co., > > > WV. > > > > > > THANKS ! > > > > > > Kyleen Gavin > > > > > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > WHITAKER List Administrator > > > <commander@inetone.net> > > > > > > > > > ============================== > > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Hi Bob, Glad you remember me now : ) Yes that cemetery is called Salem Cemetery - the one next to God's Acre, the Moravian graveyard. And yes my grandparents and great-grandparents are there and I visit there at least once a year when I put flowers on their graves at Easter - it is also about 2 minutes away from my house driving time and I sometimes go walking there. Charles L. (Little) is my great-grandfather and Laura Jane (Hendricks) Bagby is my great-grandmother and on the other side of the Bagby upright stone are Alonzo Bagby my grandfather and Versie (Craver) Bagby my grandmother. Also there is my Uncle Roger Bagby and my great-aunt Ora (Bagby) White and her second husband Lem (Lemual) White and my 2nd cousin Lucille Norman O'Brien Honaker and her first husband William O'Brien I think is there also. There is one space left and it may be where I will have my ashes buried as well some day. Waiting until winter sounds like a good idea on the location so overgrown that the house is covered!!!! I wouldn't go in there either! If not snakes, poison ivy would get you alive! I am still recovering from a bad bout of poison ivy from trying to clear out the "jungle" in front of my house that grows along the stone wall....not fun! No news on the Whitaker line....going to be very very hard to find our Robert and Mary - Baltimore Co. MD seems to be the area to look and the "expert" Jim Drew has been looking through everything and if he can't find anything I seriously doubt any one else can. There are very few available resources here in the library for Baltimore Co. MD and I have looked through them all with no luck. But I'll keep looking..... hope you have a good summer...glad you remember me : ) Susan On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 20:05:53 -0400 "Bob Carter" <gravehunter@triad.rr.com> writes: > Can you say. . . . "DUH?" :-) > > Yes, I do remember you, very well if I say so. Don't ask me how I > ended up > not thinking you had sent me that data, cause I still have the > pictures of > your daughter and her Marine friend. :-) > > Any new info? I tried to find the grave of Isaac WHITAKER, brother > to Abram > and son of Edmund. But, the location Anne McKracken gave me is > very > overgrown, so I will have to wait until winter again. :-( She said > it was > supposedly just past Stamford United Methodist Church, on the left, > in a > wooded thicket behind an old house. The thicket is now overgrown > the house, > so I'm kind of scared to go in there until the snakes are sleeping > this > winter. > > BTW, I have photos of the graves of William A. WHITAKER (6-13-1843 > to > 12-12-1912) and Anna BITTING (11-24-1859 to 3-25-1934), both are > buried at > the cemetery in Winston-Salem next to Old Salem along with their > children, > one of whom (Grace) married Ery E. KEHAYA. Do you know if that > cemetery is > the City of Winston-Salem's cemetery, and/or what the name of it is? > They > were next to the Bowman & Gray plot and near the HANES as well. > Also, found > the family of George Betton WHITAKER and Virginia MOIR there as > well, plus > some of your BAGBY lines too. They were Charles L. BAGBY and his > wife Laura > Jane and their children. > > Let me know if you need any particular photos since I'm always > finding new > WHITAKER graves. > > How's things at Salem now? And your girls doing well I hope. > > See you later! > > Bob Carter > Greensboro, NC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Susan J Gall" <galls@juno.com> > To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [WHITAKER] Lucinda Whitaker, one of my ancestors > > > > Bob, > > > > Gosh how quickly we forget.......do you not remember me here in > > Winston-Salem, we have had a LOT of correspondence about the > Whitakers > > and you have sent me all the pictures, we even talked of maybe > doing some > > grave hunting together.......its me - Susan > > You have all my data I believe. I think I also alerted you to the > fact > > that the Robert Whitaker who married Mary Hall is NOT our ancestor > and > > thus all that early stuff is not ours at this point until we find > OUR > > Robert Whitaker who died in 1788 right before signing his land > deed in > > Surry Co. NC and his wife Mary (surname now unknown) signed for > it. Both > > Robert and Mary Hall Whitaker died in Cecil Co. and Robert died in > 1754 > > leaving a will, Mary died later leaving a will as well. Our > William and > > Jonathan I are not sons of that Robert....so we are back to the > drawing > > board on our line - Hester Jackson had it wrong and thus has > misled a > > whole bunch of us.......anyway - hope you remember me now!!! > > > > Susan > > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:18:53 -0400 "Bob Carter" > > <gravehunter@triad.rr.com> writes: > > > Wandajoe, count me in with the descendants like Susan Gall and > Joyce > > > Dressel. :-) > > > > > > Your Lucinda was a daughter f my great-great-great-grandmother, > > > Sarah > > > Elizabeth HOWARD. One of Lucinda's sisters was Sarah Elizabeth > > > WHITAKER, > > > who married William Henry Harrison PATTERSON, my direct line > down to > > > my > > > mother, Irene Patterson CARTER. Have information on the > PATTERSON > > > and more > > > on the WHITAKER lines that I am descended from as well. > > > > > > Susan and Joyce? Have ya'll sent me your data? Also, did I > send > > > you a > > > photo of the graves of Abram WHITAKER and Lydia WHITAKER that I > took > > > last > > > Fall? If not, let me know and I'll send one to you. That > applies > > > to you > > > too Wanda. > > > > > > Welcome to the family of researchers!! There are some STOLTZ > lines > > > that > > > live in MO that are related back to us as well. Will advise > them > > > for you. > > > > > > Bob Carter > > > Greensboro, NC > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "wandajoe" <wandajoe@m-y.net> > > > To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 7:40 PM > > > Subject: [WHITAKER] Lucinda Whitaker, one of my ancestors > > > > > > > > > > Hi, all. > > > > > > > > I have posted names on the BAGBY list, but there was so much > > > material to > > > put over there, that I thought I would make it a bit less > involved, > > > since > > > this lady, Lucinda, is my only ancestor from the Whitaker > lines. > > > > > > > > Lucinda Whitaker was born 5-12-1821 somewhere (I believe) in > > > North > > > Carolina. We are told that her father's name was Johnothan. > We > > > do not > > > have the name of her mother, nor any other names from the > family > > > group, or > > > any ancestors, on either side of her family. We think we are > a > > > bit short, > > > in the details of her life!! > > > > > > > > She was the wife of Abner BAGBY, b. 9-4-1810, also in unknown, > NC, > > > and she > > > and her husband are my GGGP. > > > > > > > > Their son was Wesley McCarger BAGBY, b. 11-2-1852, in Yadkin > Co., > > > NC. > > > esley became a methodist pastor, and served the Methodist Church > in > > > the > > > western part of NC, for many years, into the early 1900's. > > > > > > > > If anyone out there in this audience can tell us more about > > > Lucinda, or > > > her family, we will very much appreciate all the information > you > > > might be > > > willing to share!! > > > > > > > > Thanks, and my regards. 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Yes, I've got those as well. They are buried at Old Pine Hill Community Church, which is on Hwy 268 west, about 3 miles west of Pilot Mtn. Church is on the left before you cross the Ararat River. Will send the photos of both to you off line. If you need others, let me know since I take as many photos of WHITAKER graves as I find, regardless of where they are. Gotta keep KODAK in business. Also, the information I had said the Cherokee connection was via the HOWARD line. William HOWARD's daughter, Sarah Elizabeth HOWARD, who married Jonathan WHITAKER II. One of their children was Lucinda HOWARD. This is for all the WHITAKER list members: I located a grave of a William A. WHITAKER, 6-11-1814 to 9-20-1890, buried at Brick Yard Cemetery, Chatham County, GA (Savannah area). It was behind a grave of Susie WALLER whose name was hand carved and there were no dates. Does anyone have information on this WHITAKER? Or, possible need a copy of the photo? BTW Patrick, what was your concentration for the M.Ed? Bob Carter Greensboro, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Whitaker" <patrick4u@mindspring.com> To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [WHITAKER] Lucinda Whitaker > Hey Cousin Bob! > I didn't think you forgot me--there are just so many of us and we seem to be > multiplying!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > Anne-W-M and I have been talking about getting together but haven't managed > yet--even with living in the same town : ) > I don't have much data compiled yet--I'm sure you have all that I have, as > Anne has been the source of most of it. > You did send me the photo of Abram's & Lydia's graves; have you found one's > of Andrew Jackson & Hannah Bass Whitaker, or Edmund & Dicey? would love to > have those. > I finished my M.Ed. in May--3.917 GPA. We always knew those Whitakers were > smart : ) I am job hunting now for a position in higher education. I want to > eventually teach, but that will probably take a doctorate. IF ANYONE OUT > THERE HAS CONTACTS IN HIGHER EDUCATION, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.--Privately at > patrick4u@mindspring.com > So that's the scoop from here. Henry Martin's descendants have a reunion > every year the Sunday afternoon following Labor day. The last couple of > years it has been at a Methodist Church near Randleman. I don't know of any > of the family on this listserve--but there may be. > I will quit now before I load everyone's inbox. > Take care Bob! > Patrick > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Hey Joyce! No, Sarah Elizabeth WHITAKER was a 1st cousin to Lucinda. Sarah's mother was Lydia WHITAKER, a daughter of Jonathan II and a niece to Edmund WHITAKER. Lydia's husband was Abram WHITAKER, a son of Edmund WHITAKER and a nephew of Jonathan II. Lydia and Abram were 1st cousins. So, Sarah and Lucinda were . . . . would that be double-1st cousins? Nice to hear from you again. Glad you liked the photos. I'd bet there are more STOLTZ, STULTZ, STULZ, etc., at Old Salem. Wish I had the next 3-4 months off so I could go over there and catalog all of them. :-) See ya! Bob Carter Greensboro, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dressel" <billdressel@prodigy.net> To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 2:51 PM Subject: [WHITAKER] Sarah E. Whitaker > Hi again, Bob > > You mentioned that the wife of William H. Patterson, Sarah Elizabeth Whitaker, was one of Lucinda's sisters. In my family tree info, I have her listed as the daughter of Lydia (niece of Lucinda). Let me know if I have it down wrong. > > > Thanks, > Joyce > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

Joyce! :-) You sent that to me instead of Patrick! :-) Also, I have a few more STOLTZ names I've found in some cemeteries for you. Yes, I can't recall now who it was that told me about the Cherokee connection, or the likelihood that of that occuring in our lines. But, I believe they said it was William HOWARD, Sara Elizabeth HOWARD's father who was Cherokee. Sarah was married to Jonathan WHITAKER II, and was the mother of Lucinda and Lydia WHITAKER. Lydia ended up marrying her first cousin, Abram WHITAKER, who was the son of Jonathan's brother, Edmund. In fact, their marriage eventually ended up in me having my maternal grandmother (Julila WHITAKER) and maternal grandfather (Escar Floyd PATTERSON) who had the same grandmother!! So, I'm descended from both Jonathan II and Edmund. :-) Weird, no? I've got information from Susan GALLS and also Nancy REAMS. Might you have anything new to share? Bob Carter Greensboro, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Dressel" <billdressel@prodigy.net> To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 2:17 PM Subject: Re: [WHITAKER] Lucinda Whitaker > Hi Patrick, > > Thanks so much for your reply. Up until now, no other Whitakers I've > contacted knew anything about a Cherokee connection. Any info you come > across would be greatly appreciated. You mentioned grad school - did you > know if you're part Native American, you can apply for a scholarship? I > think it's up to 1/32, but not sure. But you have to be able to name the > tribe, ancestors, etc. > > When you have more time, I'd love to exchange information with you - I can > send you Frances's descendants, if you don't already have them. > Joyce Dressel > Littleton, Mass. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Patrick Whitaker <patrick4u@mindspring.com> > To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 8:06 AM > Subject: Re: [WHITAKER] Lucinda Whitaker > > > > Hi Cousin Joyce! > > My ggrandfather was Henry Martin Whitaker (brother of Frances). I guess > that > > would make us third cousins once removed! As for the Cherokee connection, > My > > Dad always said he was 1/16 Cherokee. That would make Frances and Henry > > 1/4--if it came through that line. My Dad never said where it came from > and > > at the time, I guess I didn't care. Next time I see my uncles, I will see > if > > they know any more. I hope to get serious about this search soon. I have > > been in grad school and didn't have time to do the research. As soon as I > > find a job, I will work some of this into my schedule. Would write more > now > > but have to get ready for church. > > Blessings on you, cousin--and all the other cousins on this list. > > Patrick Whitaker > > Richmond, Virginia > > patrick4u@mindspring.com > > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > ==== WHITAKER Mailing List ==== > > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Can you say. . . . "DUH?" :-) Yes, I do remember you, very well if I say so. Don't ask me how I ended up not thinking you had sent me that data, cause I still have the pictures of your daughter and her Marine friend. :-) Any new info? I tried to find the grave of Isaac WHITAKER, brother to Abram and son of Edmund. But, the location Anne McKracken gave me is very overgrown, so I will have to wait until winter again. :-( She said it was supposedly just past Stamford United Methodist Church, on the left, in a wooded thicket behind an old house. The thicket is now overgrown the house, so I'm kind of scared to go in there until the snakes are sleeping this winter. BTW, I have photos of the graves of William A. WHITAKER (6-13-1843 to 12-12-1912) and Anna BITTING (11-24-1859 to 3-25-1934), both are buried at the cemetery in Winston-Salem next to Old Salem along with their children, one of whom (Grace) married Ery E. KEHAYA. Do you know if that cemetery is the City of Winston-Salem's cemetery, and/or what the name of it is? They were next to the Bowman & Gray plot and near the HANES as well. Also, found the family of George Betton WHITAKER and Virginia MOIR there as well, plus some of your BAGBY lines too. They were Charles L. BAGBY and his wife Laura Jane and their children. Let me know if you need any particular photos since I'm always finding new WHITAKER graves. How's things at Salem now? And your girls doing well I hope. See you later! Bob Carter Greensboro, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan J Gall" <galls@juno.com> To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [WHITAKER] Lucinda Whitaker, one of my ancestors > Bob, > > Gosh how quickly we forget.......do you not remember me here in > Winston-Salem, we have had a LOT of correspondence about the Whitakers > and you have sent me all the pictures, we even talked of maybe doing some > grave hunting together.......its me - Susan > You have all my data I believe. I think I also alerted you to the fact > that the Robert Whitaker who married Mary Hall is NOT our ancestor and > thus all that early stuff is not ours at this point until we find OUR > Robert Whitaker who died in 1788 right before signing his land deed in > Surry Co. NC and his wife Mary (surname now unknown) signed for it. Both > Robert and Mary Hall Whitaker died in Cecil Co. and Robert died in 1754 > leaving a will, Mary died later leaving a will as well. Our William and > Jonathan I are not sons of that Robert....so we are back to the drawing > board on our line - Hester Jackson had it wrong and thus has misled a > whole bunch of us.......anyway - hope you remember me now!!! > > Susan > On Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:18:53 -0400 "Bob Carter" > <gravehunter@triad.rr.com> writes: > > Wandajoe, count me in with the descendants like Susan Gall and Joyce > > Dressel. :-) > > > > Your Lucinda was a daughter f my great-great-great-grandmother, > > Sarah > > Elizabeth HOWARD. One of Lucinda's sisters was Sarah Elizabeth > > WHITAKER, > > who married William Henry Harrison PATTERSON, my direct line down to > > my > > mother, Irene Patterson CARTER. Have information on the PATTERSON > > and more > > on the WHITAKER lines that I am descended from as well. > > > > Susan and Joyce? Have ya'll sent me your data? Also, did I send > > you a > > photo of the graves of Abram WHITAKER and Lydia WHITAKER that I took > > last > > Fall? If not, let me know and I'll send one to you. That applies > > to you > > too Wanda. > > > > Welcome to the family of researchers!! There are some STOLTZ lines > > that > > live in MO that are related back to us as well. Will advise them > > for you. > > > > Bob Carter > > Greensboro, NC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "wandajoe" <wandajoe@m-y.net> > > To: <WHITAKER-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 7:40 PM > > Subject: [WHITAKER] Lucinda Whitaker, one of my ancestors > > > > > > > Hi, all. > > > > > > I have posted names on the BAGBY list, but there was so much > > material to > > put over there, that I thought I would make it a bit less involved, > > since > > this lady, Lucinda, is my only ancestor from the Whitaker lines. > > > > > > Lucinda Whitaker was born 5-12-1821 somewhere (I believe) in > > North > > Carolina. We are told that her father's name was Johnothan. We > > do not > > have the name of her mother, nor any other names from the family > > group, or > > any ancestors, on either side of her family. We think we are a > > bit short, > > in the details of her life!! > > > > > > She was the wife of Abner BAGBY, b. 9-4-1810, also in unknown, NC, > > and she > > and her husband are my GGGP. > > > > > > Their son was Wesley McCarger BAGBY, b. 11-2-1852, in Yadkin Co., > > NC. > > esley became a methodist pastor, and served the Methodist Church in > > the > > western part of NC, for many years, into the early 1900's. > > > > > > If anyone out there in this audience can tell us more about > > Lucinda, or > > her family, we will very much appreciate all the information you > > might be > > willing to share!! > > > > > > Thanks, and my regards. 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