Carolyn- I can't vouch for the Hitchinbrooke birth location, but I absolutely stand by the information I submitted concerning the various Richards. Perhaps someone else may have documentation on Hitchinbrooke. Robert Whaley Carolyn Vosburg wrote: > > On Jul 16, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Frank Whalley wrote: > >> Richard WHALLEY >> b. ca 1544 Hinchinbrooke, Huntingdonshire, England >> >> Father: Thomas WHALLEY >> Mother: Elizabeth Hatfield >> >> md. Frances CROMWELL ca. 1573 > > > Frank & Bob, > > This info was extracted from a submission to the Latter Day Saints' > website without > any documentation to back it up by the submitter! You can see it by > doing a > search for Richard WHALLEY md. Frances CROMWELL. So, I don't have a clue > as to where they came up with the Hinchinbrooke reference to Richard's > birthplace. > > Carolyn > > > > http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp > > > It may be worth mentioning that Hinchingbrooke was not a village or > town, but a country house and estate. It is currently used as a > school, a there is a lot of info on this site: > > http://www.hinchhouse.org.uk/ > > It was formerly the site of a Priory, which was dissolved by Henry > VIII and given to Richard Cromwell, ancestory of Oliver Cromwell, the > Lord Protector. > > What I find puzzling is why Richard Whalley who married Frances > Cromwell, Oliver's aunt, should be born at Hinchingbrooke, since the > Whalleys at that time lived at Screveton in Nottinghamshire. > > Brown's History of Nottinghamshire, on this site: > > http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/Brown1896/screveton.htm > > shows a picture of a Whalley monument iin Screveton church, and the > quotation which appears in Rev. Sam. Whaley's book. The monument was > erected to a Richard Whalley who died in 1584 by his widow. The text > it says that this Richard was the grandfather of the Richard Whalley > who married Frances Cromwell. > > Frank Whalley > Penarth, nr Cardiff, Wales, UK > > > > > > > > ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== > Whaley Oldest Ancestors List: now online at: http://whaley.phpbbnow.com > > ============================== > Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the > areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. > Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

Carolyn, I think the Hinchingbrooke reference for the birth of this Richard Whalley is just a mistake. Bob, I wonder if it is possible to give us a reference which might enable us to obtain a copy of these anecdotes of Geoffrey Jaggar? The genealogy you give, tracing the Regicide's line back to Richard Whalley who married Elizabeth Leak, is identical to that given in the 1787 book by Rev. Mark Noble 'Memoirs of the Protectoral House of Cromwell'. As well as some details (though not including some of the ones which you give) of the rise, fall, and re-rise of this Richard Whalley, Noble gives information on other family members, including Penistone Whalley, the Regicide's cousin, who seems to have inherited and squandered most of what remained of the family fortune. He then goes on to describe the regicide's military career, and the escapades of him and his son-in-law William Goffe as they evaded capture in the American Colonies. Interestingly, if Edward had a brother called Robert, Mark Noble never knew anything about him. I have a Word file which contains a transcription of all the references to Edward Whalley and William Goffe in Mark Noble's book. It runs to 12 A4 pages. If anyone would like a copy, just e-mail me off list and I will send it as an attachment. I feel sure I've done this before, but it must be several years ago and there may be new list members who would be interested. Frank Whalley Penarth, mr Cardiff, Wales, UK ----Original Message Follows---- From: Bob Whaley <rkwhaley@rochester.rr.com> Reply-To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WSP] Richard WHALLEY md. Frances CROMWELL Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:05:42 -0400 Carolyn- I can't vouch for the Hitchinbrooke birth location, but I absolutely stand by the information I submitted concerning the various Richards. Perhaps someone else may have documentation on Hitchinbrooke. Robert Whaley Carolyn Vosburg wrote: > >On Jul 16, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Frank Whalley wrote: > >>Richard WHALLEY >>b. ca 1544 Hinchinbrooke, Huntingdonshire, England >> >>Father: Thomas WHALLEY >>Mother: Elizabeth Hatfield >> >>md. Frances CROMWELL ca. 1573 > > >Frank & Bob, > >This info was extracted from a submission to the Latter Day Saints' website >without >any documentation to back it up by the submitter! You can see it by doing >a >search for Richard WHALLEY md. Frances CROMWELL. So, I don't have a clue >as to where they came up with the Hinchinbrooke reference to Richard's >birthplace. > >Carolyn > > > >http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp > > >It may be worth mentioning that Hinchingbrooke was not a village or town, >but a country house and estate. It is currently used as a school, a there >is a lot of info on this site: > >http://www.hinchhouse.org.uk/ > >It was formerly the site of a Priory, which was dissolved by Henry VIII and >given to Richard Cromwell, ancestory of Oliver Cromwell, the Lord >Protector. > >What I find puzzling is why Richard Whalley who married Frances Cromwell, >Oliver's aunt, should be born at Hinchingbrooke, since the Whalleys at that >time lived at Screveton in Nottinghamshire. > >Brown's History of Nottinghamshire, on this site: > >http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/Brown1896/screveton.htm > >shows a picture of a Whalley monument iin Screveton church, and the >quotation which appears in Rev. Sam. Whaley's book. The monument was >erected to a Richard Whalley who died in 1584 by his widow. The text it >says that this Richard was the grandfather of the Richard Whalley who >married Frances Cromwell. > >Frank Whalley >Penarth, nr Cardiff, Wales, UK > > > > > > > >==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== >Whaley Oldest Ancestors List: now online at: http://whaley.phpbbnow.com > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== Having problems with your subscription? Contact list administrator at whaley-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx