On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Justin Whaley wrote: > The two Robert Carters are father and son. The earlier being Robert > "King" Carter Sr. and Robert Carter Jr. Robert "King" Carter Sr. was > the wealthiest land owner in VA. > > Actually, there were THREE Robert Carters: father, son and grandson! The father (1663-1732) and son (1704-1732) died within a few months of each other, so the grandson, Robert III, is the one under whom my James, Sr. d. 1785 and his son, James, Jr. d. 1826 held lands on Broad Run, VA. Earliest records I've found on our James d. 1785: He marries his first wife, Hannah Higgerson, in Stafford County in 1739. His last name is recorded then as "Whealey". "Nov 16, 1748. George Harrison of Fairfax to James Whealey of same, planter . . . 100 acres . . . for natural lives of said James Whealey, Hannah Whealey, his wife, John Whealey, son of said James. Signed: Geo. Harrison, Witness: Jno. Hamilton" By 1762 James Whaley, Sr. had land on Broad Run under tenancy of Robert Carter III, Esquire, of Lancaster Co, grandson of Robert “King” Carter. NOTE: Robert Carter, III (1728-1804) of Baltimore, Maryland; Nomini Hall, Westmoreland Co., VA; and Williamsburg, VA; grandson of Robert "King" Carter Source: VA Historical Society Mss1C2468a (Microfilm Id): Robert Carter's (III) Land Book Section 22, Robert Carter [III] Correspondence 1754-1804. "William Ellzey (attorney at Dumfries, VA concerning JAMES WHALEY, WILLIAM WHALEY and land in Loudoun Co, VA)" But, as far as zero-ing in on James' father! The following was sent by Bob Hart today: Thomas Whaley and a James Whaley of Westmoreland County both had dealings with a different ***Robert Carter*** (estate, 1732) of that same county in the 1710-1730 timeframe. This Thomas Whaley and James Whaley also both had dealings with Daniel McCarty, so perhaps they were brothers/relatives. There was a James Whaley mentioned in Westmoreland County in 1691, who would logically have been their father. This may be the family of James b. 1674 in Westmoreland who had William, Thomas and James, and an unnamed daughter. So far, I've not been able to make any connections with this branch. It gets SO CONFUSING!!!! Carolyn Carolyn Whaley Vosburg Houston, TX

Carolyn- Maybe I am missing something, but I think you have pretty good connections to work with here, and I think you have the answer. Sure, you can't say it's "proven", but that is not the same thing as not having the answer. It looks to me like there is good material to work with to build a very strong case for some chain of men named James from Westmoreland to Stafford to Loudoun. "Probably" or "Very Probably" seems achievable. I may not have this quite right, but it appears you have Robert Carter, grandfather and grandson, dealing with men named James Whaley in two counties, some years apart. James Whaley oversaw the estate of Robert Carter in 1732 and James Whaley was leasing land from Carter's grandson later. Way too much coincidence there. Add to that you have two brothers James and William in Westmoreland (from your message below), and two men named James and William in Loudoun, both in the vicinity of more Carters in the 1780's (from that website). One must be careful of duplication, but there weren't all that many James and William Whaleys running around together then, so maybe even a process-of-elimination approach will work. Thomas and James in Westmoreland County both had dealings with Robert Carter in 1710-1732, earliest mention I see is 1711 when Robert Carter was represented by Daniel McCarty who appeared instead of Thomas Whale (Ruth and Sam Sparacio, Westmoreland County, Virginia Order Book multi-volume in one (McLean, Virginia: The Antient Press, 1998), 1709-1712:76). On the web, I see on 28 April 1728, Thomas Owsley (who had dealings with Daniel McCarty) posted bond to James Whaley of Westmoreland County to ensure he would execute a deed transferring ownership of 250 acres on the south side of Accotinck Run in Stafford County, Virginia, and this land was sold to James on 12 and 13 June 1728 ("Generation #6: Thomas Owsley and Ann", <owslfl.tripod.com/myowsleyfamilyhistory/id13.html>). So that seems to be the same James, and the record is certainly findable, giving more neighbors to look at wherever Accotinck Run was. -Bob -----Original Message----- From: whaley-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:whaley-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Carolyn Vosburg Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:41 PM To: whaley@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHALEY] The many James Whaleys of Early Virginia On Apr 30, 2007, at 8:29 PM, Justin Whaley wrote: > The two Robert Carters are father and son. The earlier being Robert > "King" Carter Sr. and Robert Carter Jr. Robert "King" Carter Sr. was > the wealthiest land owner in VA. > > Actually, there were THREE Robert Carters: father, son and grandson! The father (1663-1732) and son (1704-1732) died within a few months of each other, so the grandson, Robert III, is the one under whom my James, Sr. d. 1785 and his son, James, Jr. d. 1826 held lands on Broad Run, VA. Earliest records I've found on our James d. 1785: He marries his first wife, Hannah Higgerson, in Stafford County in 1739. His last name is recorded then as "Whealey". "Nov 16, 1748. George Harrison of Fairfax to James Whealey of same, planter . . . 100 acres . . . for natural lives of said James Whealey, Hannah Whealey, his wife, John Whealey, son of said James. Signed: Geo. Harrison, Witness: Jno. Hamilton" By 1762 James Whaley, Sr. had land on Broad Run under tenancy of Robert Carter III, Esquire, of Lancaster Co, grandson of Robert "King" Carter. NOTE: Robert Carter, III (1728-1804) of Baltimore, Maryland; Nomini Hall, Westmoreland Co., VA; and Williamsburg, VA; grandson of Robert "King" Carter Source: VA Historical Society Mss1C2468a (Microfilm Id): Robert Carter's (III) Land Book Section 22, Robert Carter [III] Correspondence 1754-1804. "William Ellzey (attorney at Dumfries, VA concerning JAMES WHALEY, WILLIAM WHALEY and land in Loudoun Co, VA)" But, as far as zero-ing in on James' father! The following was sent by Bob Hart today: Thomas Whaley and a James Whaley of Westmoreland County both had dealings with a different ***Robert Carter*** (estate, 1732) of that same county in the 1710-1730 timeframe. This Thomas Whaley and James Whaley also both had dealings with Daniel McCarty, so perhaps they were brothers/relatives. There was a James Whaley mentioned in Westmoreland County in 1691, who would logically have been their father. This may be the family of James b. 1674 in Westmoreland who had William, Thomas and James, and an unnamed daughter. So far, I've not been able to make any connections with this branch. It gets SO CONFUSING!!!! Carolyn Carolyn Whaley Vosburg Houston, TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Apr 30, 2007, at 10:57 PM, Hart, Bob - Global IT wrote: > James Whaley oversaw the estate of Robert > Carter in 1732 Okay, I missed that somewhere, Bob! Where did you see that? Both Robert "King" Carter and his son, Robert, Jr. died in 1732. C. Carolyn Whaley Vosburg Houston, TX