Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: > Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under > Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in S.C.? If not, where does this John fit in? C. Carolyn Whaley Vosburg Houston, TX

Carolyn- Based on the birth year of 1633, and the membership in parliament you mention, I believe the John under discussion was the son of Edward Whalley, not his brother, per the information I have collected below. A letter written by John's sister indicated he moved overseas by 1662, and yet estate and land records seem to show John's son Herbert remained in England, although he was a minor, which seems odd. I would be grateful for any sourcing for the move to South Carolina, and anything tending to show John as a brother of Edward instead of his son. Thanks. -Bob John Whalley, son of Edward Whalley and Judith Duffel or Duffield, b. abt. 1633 ("aged about 22 1655" to parents Edward Whalley and Judith Duffel (Marshall, Visitation of Nottingham, 118); "A marriage record was located in 1999: Feb. 7, 1627--Edward Whalie of Flintham in Nottingham, gent. and Judith Duffield of Rochester, Kent. M., L.V.G. (M means 'maiden' and L.V.G. is 'License Vicar General')" (Jackie Weeden, The WHALEY Family of England, Ireland, Plymouth CO MA, and New London Co, CT., freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prattwv/whaley.htm)), m. abt. 1658 to Elizabeth Springate, daughter of Sir Henry Springate (Buck Whaley, Buck Whaley's Memoirs, edited by Sir Edward Sullivan, Bart. (1797; London: 1906), www.eiretek.org/chapters/books/BuckWhaley/intro.htm, quotation at bottom from John Whaley's letter of 1658 indicating his recent marriage. Cites Noble's Memoirs of the Protectorate-House of Cromwell; The Visitations of the County of Nottingham, 1569 and 1614 (Harleian Society Publications, 1871); Familiae Minorum Gentium, vol. iv. (Harl. Soc..); Lodge's peerage of Ireland (Archdale), vol. vi.; Sir Wm. Betham's MS. Pedigrees, Brit. Mus.; Do. MS. Pedigrees in Ulster's Office, Dublin; MS. Visitation of Nottinghamsheire, by Sr. Rich. St. george Ny King of Arms in 1614, Brit. Mus. (Harl.); Nichol's Leicestershire, ii. 736; Calendar of State Papers, Ireland, 1650-1660, passim; and Notes and Queries, 5th Series, iii. 591 5th Series, v.463-4; vii. 81; viii. 177 and 358.]). John Whalley was cornet of horse; served the Protectorate in Ireland under Oliver's son Henry Cromwell in 1658, but was replaced by his half-brother Henry Whalley after fighting a duel with the apparently hot-headed Phillip Stanhope, Lord Chesterfield, in which Captain John Whalley was "dangerously wounded" ("In February 1658 he[Phillip Stanhope] was arrested for a an intended duel with Lord St. John, and on 8 June the Protector committed him to the Tower for dangerously wounding Captain John Whalley in a duel." (Ancestry.com. Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2003. Original data: Sir Leslie Stephen, ed.. The Dictionary of National Biography Founded in 1882 by George Smith. Vol. I-XX, XXII. London, England: Oxford University Press, 1921-1922., 910, cites Letters of Philip, second Earl of Chesterfield, 1835, 84 and Calendar of State Papers, Dom. 1657-8: 290, 1658-9: 52, 62). Buck Whaley, Buck Whaley's Memoirs, Text above pedigree chart at bottom of webpage, quotes Letter from Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector, to Harry Cromwell. Also cites Calendar of State Papers, Ireland. John Whalley's commission as cornet is in 'House of Commons Journal Volume 7: 23 January 1660', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 7: 1651-1660 (1802), pp. 818-20. www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=24913. Date accessed: 09 September 2006.) He was member of Parliament for Nottinghamshire, 1658-9, also for Shoreham Borough; moved overseas abt. 1662, based on a letter written by his sister Frances, daughter of Edward Whalley and wife of William Goffe ("In a letter from Mrs. Goffe to her husband, in answer to his letter of 29 May, 1662, she says: "My brother John is gone beyond the sea, but I know not whither. His father-in-law is dead."" (Noble, House of Cromwell, 1:153-4; Henry, Descendants of Simon Henry and Rhoda Parsons, 49)). John and Elizabeth had a son, Herbert Whalley (Buck Whaley, Buck Whaley's Memoirs, edited by Sir Edward Sullivan, Bart. (1797; London: 1906), www.eiretek.org/chapters/books/BuckWhaley/intro.htm, see sourced pedigree chart at bottom of page). A John Whalley disposed of his estates in Bury and Wistow, Huntingdonshire in 1664 to his sister Hampson and her children, at the discretion of his sister Elizabeth Wingfield and his cousin John Blew. (Noble, House of Cromwell, 1:153, footnote). Herbert, the son of John Whalley and Elizabeth Springate, managed to regain some of the Whalley estate lost to the crown over the course of the English Civil Wars and the Restoration, due to its being mortgaged to Arnold Waring, probably a trustee for the Whalley family, holding Sibthorpe in particular through assignments and heirships by 1672 (Noble, House of Cromwell, 1:154). ________________________________ From: whaley-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Carolyn Vosburg Sent: Mon 1/1/2007 9:57 PM To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHALEY] MORE on The Regicide! Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: > Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under > Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in S.C.? If not, where does this John fit in? C. 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At 08:57 PM 1/1/07 -0600, you wrote: >Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: > >> Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under >> Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. > >Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in >S.C.? >If not, where does this John fit in? > >C. > > >Carolyn Whaley Vosburg >Houston, TX I've got some more to add to this as well from a excerpt from a book I've copied out the Whaley family portion to post somewhere soon. Right now though I'm in the throes of setting up a new computer, moving data and what fun that is not. Tim

I am also a descendant of Theophilus and have material that has been passed down from geneation to generation, What I have says that Edward's son John resided in Delaware, his son Nathaniel resided in Maryland, and his son Elias resided in Virginia with no male issue. It also says that Sir Herbert Whalley , son of John, resided in England.. The material I have doesn't state that Edward Whalley had a brother John, It only gives the names of Thomas, Elizabeth, Henry, Robert, and Jane as his siblings. from Susan Babcock, Wakefield, RI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <whaley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [WHALEY] MORE on The Regicide! > At 08:57 PM 1/1/07 -0600, you wrote: >>Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: >> >>> Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under >>> Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. >> >>Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in >>S.C.? >>If not, where does this John fit in? >> >>C. >> >> >>Carolyn Whaley Vosburg >>Houston, TX > > I've got some more to add to this as well from a excerpt from a book > I've copied out the Whaley family portion to post somewhere soon. > > Right now though I'm in the throes of setting up a new computer, moving > data and what fun that is not. > > Tim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The following was posted several years ago, but without documentation to back it up, I can't say if it is accurate or not! Gen. 1 Richard Whalley md. Elizabeth Leake Gen. 2 Thomas Whalley Gen. 3 Richard Whalley md Laura Gen. 4 Thomas Whalley md Elizabeth Hatfield Gen. 5. Richard Whalley md. Frances Cromwell Their children: 1. Edward (1615-1674) md. 1st Judith Duffel Children: John md. Springate: Children - Herbert & James Frances md. William Goffe, a Regicide Nathaniel md. 2nd Mary Middleton Children: Elias, Rachel, Elizabeth, Bridget 2. Henry md. Rebecca Duffel (given lands in Ireland by Cromwell) 3. Thomas md. Mary Penniston 4. Robert (Some speculation this is Theophilus; again, no proof!) 5. Elizabeth b. 1602 md. Sir. Robert Douglas, Viscount Belhaven; One daughter: Susan b. 1618 On Jan 13, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Sue Babcock wrote: > I am also a descendant of Theophilus and have material that has been > passed > down from geneation to generation, > What I have says that Edward's son John resided in Delaware, his son > Nathaniel resided in Maryland, and his son Elias resided in Virginia > with no > male issue. It also says that Sir Herbert Whalley , son of John, > resided in > England.. > The material I have doesn't state that Edward Whalley had a brother > John, > It only gives the names of Thomas, Elizabeth, Henry, Robert, and Jane > as his > siblings. > from Susan Babcock, Wakefield, RI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> > To: <whaley@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:39 AM > Subject: Re: [WHALEY] MORE on The Regicide! > > >> At 08:57 PM 1/1/07 -0600, you wrote: >>> Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: >>> >>>> Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under >>>> Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. >>> >>> Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in >>> S.C.? >>> If not, where does this John fit in? >>> >>> C. >>> >>> >>> Carolyn Whaley Vosburg >>> Houston, TX >> >> I've got some more to add to this as well from a excerpt from a book >> I've copied out the Whaley family portion to post somewhere soon. >> >> Right now though I'm in the throes of setting up a new computer, >> moving >> data and what fun that is not. >> >> Tim >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >