Frank Whalley wrote: > I was born in Staffordshire, England, and there my name was always > pronounced 'Wally', like the first name which is common in the USA but > not very common here. In fact, I have seen the name written in censuses > as 'Wolley', presumably after being spoken to an enumerator by an > illiterate person. > > When I chased my family tree to Cheshire, I found that there in the > early 1800s my family spelled their names 'Walley', without and 'h', and > they were not illiterate. The 'h' was added later, probably to > 'poshify' it. > > I have never visited the village of Whalley in Lancashire (shame!), but > I'm told by people who come from around there that in those parts it is > pronouned with the long 'a' - Wall - ee. > > In colloquial English, the term 'wally' denotes an inadequate or stupid > person. Therefore I have changed the way I pronounce my name from wally > to wall-ee. I hasten to add that I did this only because of the ragging > my son received at school over his name; so when he changed schools it > was natural to get over the problem by simply saying it differently! > > Incidentally, there are far more Whalleys in England than any other > spelling. Walley is the next most popular, with Whaley a distant third. > > Frank Whalley > Penarth, nr Cardiff, Wales, UK Hi Frank... I saved this to answer "later," which is today, I guess! <smile> Pronunciation is so regional, it's small wonder we rarely agree on how to say it, let alone how to spell it! I was visiting friends in Chester, Wales a few years ago, and (as ana aside)he graciously took me up to Whalley Abbey for a visit. My friend called me WALL-ee. Or perhaps WAH-lee... That was the first time I'd heard it pronounced that way. Since he was originally from Lancaster, I might have got most ANY way of saying the name from him, truth be known! 'E murders English as I know it, anyhow! Since my family has always pronounced our name WHAY-lee, I found it most interesting... Since then, I've watched carefully for messages that discuss the way we Whaley/Whalley/Whale/Walley folks pronounce our ancestral names. Even more interesting is the education I get on this list. The longer I belong, the more things I learn. I used to believe any Whaley, so spelled, was from a different branch of the family than a Whalley or especially a Wally! Then I learned how so-called misspellings arise. And that even among contemporary family members, some have chosen, for whatever reason, to spell THEIR family names differently from all the others in their family! All blood relatives, but in a couple of generations most in their family will have forgotten who changed the name and why. So it goes, and the history becomes even more muddied. It's things like that that make genealogy studies so interesting. Many thanks for your input! I look forward to follow-up messages from you and others on this list. Keith Whaley From the early 1600's Vermont, New England and Dale, New York branch of the U.S.-resident Whaleys... Now in Southern California > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: cw1210@aol.com > Reply-To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com > To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [WSP] Whaley vs Whalley > Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:01:14 -0400 > > I've never paid too close attention to the spelling of names. Some of > my Dad's brothers use Burnette and some use Burnett. Some spell their > mother's maiden name Fogel and some spell it Fogle. Other than making > for some difficult times at the funeral homes it's never seemed to make > much difference. > > I did find it interesting though...... My husband and I visited > Whalley, England a few years ago. I had met someone over the internet > and arranged to have her meet us at the train station. We never turned > around as she ran along behind us calling, "Wally, Wally? Are you > Wally?" It had never occurred to me that the pronunciation would be > different there. i.e. Wall ee instead of Whale ee > > Connie Whaley

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/ANWBAIB/950 Message Board Post: I am looking for the parents of Frances Whaley who married Francis Oliver Smith b c1804 in NC and died 1887 in Warren Co., GA. Thanks in advance, Eva

Greetings- Does anyone know the original source for the IGI record indicating the death of Theophilus Whaley occurred on 14 Feb 1719/20? Although the year is consistent with observations of people who were at the funeral and who remembered various things about Theophilus, I am suspicious of the basis for that date, because this same IGI record lists a marriage date (7 February 1665/66) for Theophilus and Elizabeth, which Jackie Weeden noticed was an exact match to a document transferring a cow from John Mills to his daughter Elizabeth Mills. Although a published article refers to this document as the will of John Mills (see G. Andrews Moriarty, "Theophilus Whaley of Virginia and Rhode Island", The Virginia Magazine of History and Biography 66:76-79 (1958)), I have transcribed the original document below, and it is clearly not a will, but rather a property transfer, perhaps a marriage gift, perhaps not. When I asked about this document, the county clerk did point out to me that many documents other than wills were recorded in the Old Rappahannock County Wills books. Therefore, since the marriage date posted to the IGI seems to be based on something (although I think the deduction of a marriage date goes too far), it makes me wonder where the submitter got the death date from. Thanks for any help. -Bob Hart '^' precedes letters written as superscripts. Old Rappahannock County Wills, Book 1, Page 66 (Essex County Courthouse, Tappahannock, Virginia) "I John Mills do give unto my Daughter Eliz:^a Mills one cow named Crow & all her increase both male & female which cow is marked with a crop and an underkeel in the right ear in the left ear a crop & two Slits in the crop & all her increase I give to the sd Eliz:^a & her heirs as witness my hand this 7:^th of February 1665." "the mark of John [mark] Mills"

She was born and grew up in TN, but my grandmother said that the last time she heard anything was about 5-10 years ago and she was living in Detroit, married to a doctor she thinks.

Where is Lola from? Sandee iamsilly31@aol.com wrote: >This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > >Classification: Query > >Message Board URL: > >http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ANWBAIB/949 > >Message Board Post: > >Does anyone know of a Lola Whaley?  Her mother's name may have been Ruby.  My grandmother remembers her from when she was younger,  she is Maggie Whaley's daughter. >Thanks, > Dana > > >==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== >Whaley Oldest Ancestors List: now online at: >http://whaley.phpbbnow.com > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ANWBAIB/949 Message Board Post: Does anyone know of a Lola Whaley? Her mother's name may have been Ruby. My grandmother remembers her from when she was younger, she is Maggie Whaley's daughter. Thanks, Dana

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ANWBAIB/342.344.350.354.400.402.405.408.2.1.1.1.3.2.1 Message Board Post: Do you know any more information about your Lewis Whaley line? My Lewis lived in Abbeville District, around where Erskine College is now. Evidently he had some land on the Saluda River. Thanks for your help!

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Classification: Query Message Board URL: http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/ANWBAIB/1.2.7.62.1 Message Board Post: Yes! She was my Grandfather's sister. Could you tell me anything about her. He talked about her all the time, but I never got to meet her.

Well, after 5 hours of 'putering' I just got all mixed up. Thanks to Macy, etal for helping me out. It really makes a difference if you reverse the names--it is NOT Bob_Hart@bah.com Shame on me. AOL and others did not like the reversal at all. :-( rlnsd

To Bob Hart--I keep getting notice that my address for you is not correct. Please send me which one I am to use. Ruby rlnsd@aol.com

To Necia, etal: I just edited the Weeden's FGS for Theophilus and Mills, showing some info received from Bob Hart. In Weeden's notes at the bottom of this FGS she says: Some early researchers believed that Theophilus may have actually have been Robert, son of Richard Whaley (1590-1667) and Frances Cromwell. No proof has ever been found to confirm that theory. 'Old' Rappahannock Co VA deed abstracts and various court records name Theophilus and wife Elizabeth from Jan. 1672 through Feb. 18, 1680. If you want to see this FGS, let me know. rlnsd@aol.com

Necia, Information on Theophilus Whaley and Elizabeth Mills can also be found in _Austin's Genealogical Dictionary of Rhode Island_ as well as James Savage's _A Genealogical Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England Before 1692_ Volume 4: http://www.usgennet.org/usa/topic/newengland/savage/bk4/weymouth-wheeler.htm Best regards from another of their descendants (and a UB alumna as well!) :-) Julie necia <black@buffalo.edu> wrote: I am very interested in the "Theophilus Whaley m Elizabeth Mills. I have a Robert Whaley married to her - same time frame, but I do have a note that says "question him and from here back." Can someone below tell me about this Theophilus. My info on Robert Whaley being the husband of Elizabeth Mills came from Claude Flory's info on Rootsweb. Ancestry of Theophilus and sources would be most appreciated. Last year I did get in DAR based on James Whaley "the scoundrel" and Lydia Remey, and I have father, James Whaley Sr., m. to Elizabeth ?, but it seems I am off on James Jr. grandparents? Like others I have been working on this line for years, andseems I till do not have it all clear. Does anyone? Thanks for amy clarification anyone can provide. Cheers, Necia Necia A. Black, Ph.D. e-mail: black@buffalo.edu 246 Computing Center Web URL:http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~black SUNY-Buffalo FAX: (716) 645-3734 Buffalo, New York 14260 Phone: (716) 645-3572 On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Carolyn Vosburg wrote: > > Theophilus Whaley (m. Elizabeth Mills) 1616-@1720, ENG> > West Greenwich, RI > Rod Lewis, rodlewis@iquest.net > Nancy Siders, siders@lookingglass.net > Mike Goad, mgoad@cswnet.com > Keith Whaley, ** > Mark K. Whaley, ** > Bob Letson, BobLetson@msn.com > Pete Miner, miner_peter_r@code21.npt.nuwc.navy.mil > Mary Hibbard Stack, mstack@rochester.rr.com ** > Roger Whaley, rwhaley@venus.net ** > Carol Logan, CL5639@prodigy.net > Mark S. Daly, markd@city-net.com > Scott Larson (Robin), scottla@trib.com > Norma, npaul@sdcoe.k12.ca.us > Barbara Ketels, barbketels@adiis.net > Pat Carpenter, ANBR3@aol.com > Val Wressell, smartoones@prodigy.net > Jim Martin, tsalagi@kingwoodcable.com > Joseph J. DiOrio, jjdiorio@ix.netcom.com > Magda Webster Clark, magpie@mosquitonet.com > Ruth Ann Allaire, RAllaire@aol.com > Carrie Tucker, tucker@surfglobal.net > Robert Whaley, rkwhaley@rochester.rr.com > ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - whaley-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email. If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-. ============================== Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. New content added every business day. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx

hi; please add my name to this list. I don't know why it is not on here below. Both of these individuals are in my family tree. I also notice a couple of Rochester e-mails. My mothers Whaleys were from the Rochester and surrounding areas ( Avon and Genesee areas). Maybe they are relatives. Sandee Bennett - ninelakeview@cs.com necia <black@buffalo.edu> (by way of Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>) wrote: >I am very interested in the "Theophilus Whaley m Elizabeth Mills.  I have >a Robert Whaley married to her - same time frame, but I do have a note >that says "question him and from here back." > >Can someone below tell me about this Theophilus.  My info on Robert Whaley >being the husband of Elizabeth Mills came from Claude Flory's info on >Rootsweb.  Ancestry of Theophilus and sources would be most appreciated. > >Last year I did get in DAR based on James Whaley "the scoundrel" and Lydia >Remey, and I have father, James Whaley Sr., m. to Elizabeth ?, but it >seems I am off on James Jr. grandparents? > >Like others I have been working on this line for years, andseems I till do >not have it all clear.  Does anyone? >       >Thanks for amy clarification anyone can provide. >Cheers, >Necia >                                                                         >Necia A. Black, Ph.D.       e-mail:  black@buffalo.edu       >246 Computing Center            Web URL:http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~black >SUNY-Buffalo                    FAX:     (716) 645-3734 >Buffalo, New York 14260         Phone:   (716) 645-3572 > >On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Carolyn Vosburg wrote: >> >> Theophilus Whaley (m. Elizabeth Mills) 1616-@1720, ENG> >> West Greenwich, RI >>    Rod Lewis, rodlewis@iquest.net >>    Nancy Siders, siders@lookingglass.net >>    Mike Goad, mgoad@cswnet.com >>    Keith Whaley,   ** >>    Mark K. Whaley,  ** >>    Bob Letson, BobLetson@msn.com >>    Pete Miner, miner_peter_r@code21.npt.nuwc.navy.mil >>    Mary Hibbard Stack, mstack@rochester.rr.com ** >>    Roger Whaley, rwhaley@venus.net ** >>    Carol Logan, CL5639@prodigy.net >>    Mark S. Daly, markd@city-net.com >>    Scott Larson (Robin), scottla@trib.com >>    Norma, npaul@sdcoe.k12.ca.us >>    Barbara Ketels, barbketels@adiis.net >>    Pat Carpenter, ANBR3@aol.com >>    Val Wressell, smartoones@prodigy.net >>    Jim Martin, tsalagi@kingwoodcable.com >>    Joseph J. DiOrio, jjdiorio@ix.netcom.com >>    Magda Webster Clark, magpie@mosquitonet.com >>    Ruth Ann Allaire, RAllaire@aol.com >>    Carrie Tucker, tucker@surfglobal.net >>    Robert Whaley, rkwhaley@rochester.rr.com >> > > > >==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== >To Unsubscribe from this list - send email to - >whaley-L-request@rootsweb.com with the single word - unsubscribe in the body of the email.  If you are subscribed in Digest mode use the same address but change the -L- to -D-. > >============================== >Find your ancestors in the Birth, Marriage and Death Records. >New content added every business day. Learn more: >http://www.ancestry.com/s13964/rd.ashx > >

I am very interested in the "Theophilus Whaley m Elizabeth Mills. I have a Robert Whaley married to her - same time frame, but I do have a note that says "question him and from here back." Can someone below tell me about this Theophilus. My info on Robert Whaley being the husband of Elizabeth Mills came from Claude Flory's info on Rootsweb. Ancestry of Theophilus and sources would be most appreciated. Last year I did get in DAR based on James Whaley "the scoundrel" and Lydia Remey, and I have father, James Whaley Sr., m. to Elizabeth ?, but it seems I am off on James Jr. grandparents? Like others I have been working on this line for years, andseems I till do not have it all clear. Does anyone? Thanks for amy clarification anyone can provide. Cheers, Necia Necia A. Black, Ph.D. e-mail: black@buffalo.edu 246 Computing Center Web URL:http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~black SUNY-Buffalo FAX: (716) 645-3734 Buffalo, New York 14260 Phone: (716) 645-3572 On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Carolyn Vosburg wrote: > > Theophilus Whaley (m. Elizabeth Mills) 1616-@1720, ENG> > West Greenwich, RI > Rod Lewis, rodlewis@iquest.net > Nancy Siders, siders@lookingglass.net > Mike Goad, mgoad@cswnet.com > Keith Whaley, ** > Mark K. Whaley, ** > Bob Letson, BobLetson@msn.com > Pete Miner, miner_peter_r@code21.npt.nuwc.navy.mil > Mary Hibbard Stack, mstack@rochester.rr.com ** > Roger Whaley, rwhaley@venus.net ** > Carol Logan, CL5639@prodigy.net > Mark S. Daly, markd@city-net.com > Scott Larson (Robin), scottla@trib.com > Norma, npaul@sdcoe.k12.ca.us > Barbara Ketels, barbketels@adiis.net > Pat Carpenter, ANBR3@aol.com > Val Wressell, smartoones@prodigy.net > Jim Martin, tsalagi@kingwoodcable.com > Joseph J. DiOrio, jjdiorio@ix.netcom.com > Magda Webster Clark, magpie@mosquitonet.com > Ruth Ann Allaire, RAllaire@aol.com > Carrie Tucker, tucker@surfglobal.net > Robert Whaley, rkwhaley@rochester.rr.com >

Do you have the names of the other children of James? Thank you, Gloria

Carolyn, My email, Norma, npaul@sdcoe.k12.ca.us, has changed to: npaul@nethere.com On Jul 29, 2006, at 8:20 PM, necia (by way of Tim Stowell <tstowell@chattanooga.net>) wrote: > > On Sun, 2 Jul 2006, Carolyn Vosburg wrote: >> >> Theophilus Whaley (m. Elizabeth Mills) 1616-@1720, ENG> >> West Greenwich, RI >> Rod Lewis, rodlewis@iquest.net >> Nancy Siders, siders@lookingglass.net >> Mike Goad, mgoad@cswnet.com >> Keith Whaley, ** >> Mark K. Whaley, ** >> Bob Letson, BobLetson@msn.com >> Pete Miner, miner_peter_r@code21.npt.nuwc.navy.mil >> Mary Hibbard Stack, mstack@rochester.rr.com ** >> Roger Whaley, rwhaley@venus.net ** >> Carol Logan, CL5639@prodigy.net >> Mark S. Daly, markd@city-net.com >> Scott Larson (Robin), scottla@trib.com >> Norma, npaul@sdcoe.k12.ca.us >> Barbara Ketels, barbketels@adiis.net >> Pat Carpenter, ANBR3@aol.com >> Val Wressell, smartoones@prodigy.net >> Jim Martin, tsalagi@kingwoodcable.com >> Joseph J. DiOrio, jjdiorio@ix.netcom.com >> Magda Webster Clark, magpie@mosquitonet.com >> Ruth Ann Allaire, RAllaire@aol.com >> Carrie Tucker, tucker@surfglobal.net >> Robert Whaley, rkwhaley@rochester.rr.com >>

> Ruby, > Just a note to you to check your AOL Spam Folder regularly. > Sometimes > AOL sends your mail to the "Spam Folder" instead of your mail box. Some > times it is spam and sometimes not! > Carolyn Whaley (also on AOL) Alas it never made it that far. AOL blocked the Digests at their very door for they bounced right back to me. ------------------------------------------------------via webmail---- Tim Stowell tstowell@chattanooga.net

Ruby, Just a note to you to check your AOL Spam Folder regularly. Sometimes AOL sends your mail to the "Spam Folder" instead of your mail box. Some times it is spam and sometimes not! Carolyn Whaley (also on AOL)

When Alan disappeared, Tim came to our rescue. When some of my Digests disappeared, Tim came to my rescue. Words can't express my gratitude for his finding a method of getting them to me. They were so important because they were the ones where Lynn showed her new Oldest Ancestor File which she had revamped from a couple Jackie and I had. The original OAF file had also disappeared when Alan left. We wanted to see what she had done as we knew there would be additions, deletions, changes of addresses, etc. In June I asked aol to send me instructions on how to get my aol bill changed from one credit card to another. They sent me instructions and I found all of my new and old mail had been deleted. Maybe the problem arose there. I am puzzled at why the Digests starting at #70 came in OK but those 60s refused to come to my computer. Tim tried several procedures and today there they were! I DID NOT do any editing as I was afraid to touch them, so each Digest is 12 pages long. That means I printed out 48 pages this morning---gladly. And Tim's instructions are on their way to Jackie. So thanks to Tim and Lynn and others who made suggestions on how to solve this puzzle. Ruby

Carolyn, I think the Hinchingbrooke reference for the birth of this Richard Whalley is just a mistake. Bob, I wonder if it is possible to give us a reference which might enable us to obtain a copy of these anecdotes of Geoffrey Jaggar? The genealogy you give, tracing the Regicide's line back to Richard Whalley who married Elizabeth Leak, is identical to that given in the 1787 book by Rev. Mark Noble 'Memoirs of the Protectoral House of Cromwell'. As well as some details (though not including some of the ones which you give) of the rise, fall, and re-rise of this Richard Whalley, Noble gives information on other family members, including Penistone Whalley, the Regicide's cousin, who seems to have inherited and squandered most of what remained of the family fortune. He then goes on to describe the regicide's military career, and the escapades of him and his son-in-law William Goffe as they evaded capture in the American Colonies. Interestingly, if Edward had a brother called Robert, Mark Noble never knew anything about him. I have a Word file which contains a transcription of all the references to Edward Whalley and William Goffe in Mark Noble's book. It runs to 12 A4 pages. If anyone would like a copy, just e-mail me off list and I will send it as an attachment. I feel sure I've done this before, but it must be several years ago and there may be new list members who would be interested. Frank Whalley Penarth, mr Cardiff, Wales, UK ----Original Message Follows---- From: Bob Whaley <rkwhaley@rochester.rr.com> Reply-To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WSP] Richard WHALLEY md. Frances CROMWELL Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 22:05:42 -0400 Carolyn- I can't vouch for the Hitchinbrooke birth location, but I absolutely stand by the information I submitted concerning the various Richards. Perhaps someone else may have documentation on Hitchinbrooke. Robert Whaley Carolyn Vosburg wrote: > >On Jul 16, 2006, at 10:17 AM, Frank Whalley wrote: > >>Richard WHALLEY >>b. ca 1544 Hinchinbrooke, Huntingdonshire, England >> >>Father: Thomas WHALLEY >>Mother: Elizabeth Hatfield >> >>md. Frances CROMWELL ca. 1573 > > >Frank & Bob, > >This info was extracted from a submission to the Latter Day Saints' website >without >any documentation to back it up by the submitter! You can see it by doing >a >search for Richard WHALLEY md. Frances CROMWELL. So, I don't have a clue >as to where they came up with the Hinchinbrooke reference to Richard's >birthplace. > >Carolyn > > > >http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp > > >It may be worth mentioning that Hinchingbrooke was not a village or town, >but a country house and estate. It is currently used as a school, a there >is a lot of info on this site: > >http://www.hinchhouse.org.uk/ > >It was formerly the site of a Priory, which was dissolved by Henry VIII and >given to Richard Cromwell, ancestory of Oliver Cromwell, the Lord >Protector. > >What I find puzzling is why Richard Whalley who married Frances Cromwell, >Oliver's aunt, should be born at Hinchingbrooke, since the Whalleys at that >time lived at Screveton in Nottinghamshire. > >Brown's History of Nottinghamshire, on this site: > >http://www.nottshistory.org.uk/Brown1896/screveton.htm > >shows a picture of a Whalley monument iin Screveton church, and the >quotation which appears in Rev. Sam. Whaley's book. The monument was >erected to a Richard Whalley who died in 1584 by his widow. The text it >says that this Richard was the grandfather of the Richard Whalley who >married Frances Cromwell. > >Frank Whalley >Penarth, nr Cardiff, Wales, UK > > > > > > > >==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== >Whaley Oldest Ancestors List: now online at: http://whaley.phpbbnow.com > >============================== >Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the >areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. >Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx > > ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== Having problems with your subscription? Contact list administrator at whaley-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx