In Victoria Garden: The Pathfinder This is a bronze Hammer Thrower, showing the strain of an Olympic event in incredible detail. It was manufactured by John Robinson and unveiled by Lord Mayor Cr Whalley in April 1974. I note that this Whalley is not listed in your web page In a message dated 8/26/2006 12:07:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, hart_bob@bah.com writes: Greetings- A posting I found contained this text, in reference to Elizabeth Whalley: "Her father was Richard Whalley, of London and Nottingham , who was Lord Mayor of London at one time." The listing of Lord Mayors of London below, however, does not include Richard. http://www.steeljam.dircon.co.uk/lordmayorchrono.htm Does anyone know a source indicating Richard was the Lord Mayor of London? (Perhaps he took over for someone who died?) Thanks for any help. -Bob ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== Wish to post from more than one address? Contact list administrator at whaley-admin@rootsweb.com ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx John R. Hall, M.D.

Interesting article on English Whalley's John R. Hall, M.D.

Greetings- A posting I found contained this text, in reference to Elizabeth Whalley: "Her father was Richard Whalley, of London and Nottingham , who was Lord Mayor of London at one time." The listing of Lord Mayors of London below, however, does not include Richard. http://www.steeljam.dircon.co.uk/lordmayorchrono.htm Does anyone know a source indicating Richard was the Lord Mayor of London? (Perhaps he took over for someone who died?) Thanks for any help. -Bob

Jackie, several years ago you sent me information on David W Whaley. I have lost the page that you received from William Bundy giving David Whaley's siblings and a notation about grandfather David Whaley's sister having a daughter Betsy C??????. Could be Cocagne, Cochrine, ? Could you email that page to me. Thanks. Phyllis Jackson

At 03:09 PM 8/22/06 EDT, you wrote: >To y'all-- >Jackie Weeden mentioned to me that we have on disc a list of >various spellings of Whaley that she has found over the years as >she has researched this family. Below, copied and pasted from the >article I have on disc is the list. I hope it comes through OK. >Ruby > >Various spellings of the surname WHALEY which have been found in >public records: While the various spellings may exist in public records it doesn't necessarily mean the persons themselves used that spelling. I would submit that there are - - typos (or illegible hand writing) - misunderstood and thus written incorrectly - person writing the data is not the person themselves (probably true for most public records) - person writing the data spelled the name as it sounded to them - individual if actual person had no idea how to spell their own name One example from my own family tree of another surname: My grandfather's surname was Abercrombie. In 'official public records' it is spelled for the same family: Abercrombie Abbercrombie Crumby My Mom told me that some persons thought that my grandfather's name was Albert Crumby! Tim

And Whaling- Nancy Welty Ross >> To y'all-- >> Jackie Weeden mentioned to me that we have on disc a list of >> various spellings of Whaley that she has found over the years as >> she has researched this family. Below, copied and pasted from the >> article I have on disc is the list. I hope it comes through OK. >> Ruby >> >> Various spellings of the surname WHALEY which have been found in >> public records: >> Waeley Whallee >> Waely Whalley >> Wahley Whallie >> Wailey Whally >> Waily Whaly >> Wale Whaylee >> Waley Whayley >> Walley Whaylie >> Wally Whayly >> Waly Wheale >> Wayle Whealee >> Wayley Whealey >> Waylie Whealie >> Wayly Whealley >> Weale Wheally >> Wealey Whealy >> Wealy Wheele >> Weley Wheeley >> Weyley Wheelie >> Weylie Wheely >> Weyly Wheley >> Whailey Whelley >> Whaily Whely >> Whale Wheylee >> Whalee Wheyley >> Whaleigh Wheylie >> Whaley Wheyly >> Whalie Wholey >> >> >> ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== >> Wish to post from more than one address? Contact list administrator at >> whaley-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:whaley-admin@rootsweb.com> >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> >> > > > ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== > Whaley Oldest Ancestors List: now online at: http://whaley.phpbbnow.com<http://whaley.phpbbnow.com/> > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx> ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== Wish to post from more than one address? Contact list administrator at whaley-admin@rootsweb.com<mailto:whaley-admin@rootsweb.com> ============================== Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx<http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx>

>>Deep in the back woods, of Letcher County Kentucky a hillbilly's wife went >>into labor in the middle of the night, and the doctor was called out to >>assist in the delivery. Since there was no electricity, the doctor handed >>the father-to-be a lantern and said, "Here. You hold this high so I can >>see what I am doing!." >> >>Soon, a baby boy was brought into the world. "Whoa there", said the >>doctor, "Don't be in such a rush to put that lantern down I think there's >>another one >>coming." >> >>Sure enough, within minutes he had delivered a baby girl. "Hold that >>lantern up, don't set it down there's another one!" Said the doctor. >> >>Within a few minutes he had delivered a third baby. "No, don't be in a >>hurry to put down that lantern, it seems there's yet another one coming!" >>cried the doctor. >> >>The redneck scratched his head in bewilderment, and asked the doctor, . . >>. . >>. >> >>. >> >>. >> >>. >> >> >>"You reckon it might be the light that's attractin' 'em?" >> >> >>

To y'all-- Jackie Weeden mentioned to me that we have on disc a list of various spellings of Whaley that she has found over the years as she has researched this family. Below, copied and pasted from the article I have on disc is the list. I hope it comes through OK. Ruby Various spellings of the surname WHALEY which have been found in public records: Waeley Whallee Waely Whalley Wahley Whallie Wailey Whally Waily Whaly Wale Whaylee Waley Whayley Walley Whaylie Wally Whayly Waly Wheale Wayle Whealee Wayley Whealey Waylie Whealie Wayly Whealley Weale Wheally Wealey Whealy Wealy Wheele Weley Wheeley Weyley Wheelie Weylie Wheely Weyly Wheley Whailey Whelley Whaily Whely Whale Wheylee Whalee Wheyley Whaleigh Wheylie Whaley Wheyly Whalie Wholey

DITTO!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Vosburg" <lynvos@sbcglobal.net> To: <WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [WSP] How to spell Whaley-- > GOOD GRIEF!!!! : ) > > > > > > > On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:09 PM, RLNSD@aol.com wrote: > >> To y'all-- >> Jackie Weeden mentioned to me that we have on disc a list of >> various spellings of Whaley that she has found over the years as >> she has researched this family. Below, copied and pasted from the >> article I have on disc is the list. I hope it comes through OK. >> Ruby >> >> Various spellings of the surname WHALEY which have been found in >> public records: >> Waeley Whallee >> Waely Whalley >> Wahley Whallie >> Wailey Whally >> Waily Whaly >> Wale Whaylee >> Waley Whayley >> Walley Whaylie >> Wally Whayly >> Waly Wheale >> Wayle Whealee >> Wayley Whealey >> Waylie Whealie >> Wayly Whealley >> Weale Wheally >> Wealey Whealy >> Wealy Wheele >> Weley Wheeley >> Weyley Wheelie >> Weylie Wheely >> Weyly Wheley >> Whailey Whelley >> Whaily Whely >> Whale Wheylee >> Whalee Wheyley >> Whaleigh Wheylie >> Whaley Wheyly >> Whalie Wholey >> >> >> ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== >> Wish to post from more than one address? Contact list administrator at >> whaley-admin@rootsweb.com >> >> ============================== >> Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the >> last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >> > > > ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== > Whaley Oldest Ancestors List: now online at: http://whaley.phpbbnow.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx

GOOD GRIEF!!!! : ) On Aug 22, 2006, at 2:09 PM, RLNSD@aol.com wrote: > To y'all-- > Jackie Weeden mentioned to me that we have on disc a list of > various spellings of Whaley that she has found over the years as > she has researched this family. Below, copied and pasted from the > article I have on disc is the list. I hope it comes through OK. > Ruby > > Various spellings of the surname WHALEY which have been found in > public records: > Waeley Whallee > Waely Whalley > Wahley Whallie > Wailey Whally > Waily Whaly > Wale Whaylee > Waley Whayley > Walley Whaylie > Wally Whayly > Waly Wheale > Wayle Whealee > Wayley Whealey > Waylie Whealie > Wayly Whealley > Weale Wheally > Wealey Whealy > Wealy Wheele > Weley Wheeley > Weyley Wheelie > Weylie Wheely > Weyly Wheley > Whailey Whelley > Whaily Whely > Whale Wheylee > Whalee Wheyley > Whaleigh Wheylie > Whaley Wheyly > Whalie Wholey > > > ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== > Wish to post from more than one address? Contact list administrator at > whaley-admin@rootsweb.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx >

Tim Stowell wrote: [...] > Perhaps I missed it in the thread - but in my family I've always heard it > pronounced as Whale - y with the y at the end pronounced as a second E > would be in a word. I agree. All the Whaleys I've ever known in the U.S. pronounce it that way. > Diverging just slightly, has anyone seen the surname Whalen as variation of > Whaley? > > Tim Not by me... To clarify, and perhaps to fudge my answer a little, in all of my various research-related contacts over the years, the name Whalen appears frequently. I'm not sure whether that's simply because in a phone book it lies in close proximity, or that it's a small jump from Whalen to Whaley, from any standpoint. In sum, I don't recall having read that any Whalen family members have claimed family ties with a Whaley, or vice versa. On the other hand, I have read about the almost interchangeability between family names that contain the letters W, H, A, L, E and Y, in single or double consonants and with or without the H or Y. Frequently and in the same breath! We Whaleys, collectively, have spelled our name various ways, all in the same extended family, as I've mentioned several times over the years, depending solely on the whim of any given Whaley family member who simply decides to spell HIS or HER name differently. But, among all the variously (and creatively!) spelled Whaleys, I've never encountered a Whalen in the mix... But, that's just my observations! ;-) keith whaley

At 10:40 AM 8/21/06 -0700, you wrote: >Phyllis Jackson wrote: >> I also have been to Whaley Bridge and Whaley Museum. The Museum is very >> small, but interesting, nothing of genealogical interest. I asked about >> the name Whaley. It is not named for a person or family. The word >> whaley means small valleys or hills. >> >> Phyllis > >Hi Phyllis, > >I thought I'd read to you from the small book, "Tracing The History of Place >Names," by Charles Whynne-Hammond, published 1992 by Countryside Books, >Newbury, Berkshire. >On pg. 151, under listings for Lancashire, it lists WHALLEY. > >About which it says: > >"Called Hwaelleage in AD 798 and Whalegh in 1246, the suffix here clearly >comes from leah, Saxon for "grove', 'wood' or 'pasture'. But there is a debate >about the origin of the prefix,-- either from hwael or from hwealf, Saxon >words for 'hill' and 'vault' or 'arch' respectively." > >Take note that I noticed the apparent transposition of the 'a' and the 'e' in >the above words, and that is precisely as the book prints them. I double >checked to see whether *I* had transposed them. I didn't. > >In conversations I've recently had with Frank Whalley, Wales, we were talking >about the pronouncing of the first three letters of the name. >The above seems to quite clearly point out where the "whuh" sound comes from, >doesn't it? > >Uncommon as it is in any English words WE know, nevertheless, how *else* would >one pronounce "hweal" or "hwaelf", except starting out as sounding like >"whale..."? > >Again, a most interesting exposition, no? > >keith whaley Perhaps I missed it in the thread - but in my family I've always heard it pronounced as Whale - y with the y at the end pronounced as a second E would be in a word. Diverging just slightly, has anyone seen the surname Whalen as variation of Whaley? Tim

I have never been to Whalley in Lancashire, England, but I have been to Whaley Bridge in Derbyshire, England. There, the pronunciation is definitely WAY-lee. I've written it purposely without the 'h', because if the 'h' is pronounced I have difficulty hearing it. I've also been to Manchester, which used to be in Lancashire before the bureacrats messed about with the counties, and there is a suburb there called Whalley Range, definitely pronounced Wolly, or Wally if you prefer that spelling. To try and be clear, let's say it rhymes with Polly, as in Polly Wolly Doodle. So this is my experience of what we have in England: Whalley, Walley are pronounced to rhyme with Polly, everywhere except near to the village of Whalley in Lancashire, where it is pronounced WALL-ee, rhyming with Warley. Whaley is pronounced WAY-lee, to rhyme with daily (i.e. every day). In all cases, if the 'h' is aspirated, it is done very minimally. Frank ----Original Message Follows---- From: keith_w <keith_w@dslextreme.com> Reply-To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WSP] Whaley vs Whalley Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2006 12:12:18 -0700 Frank Whalley wrote: >I was born in Staffordshire, England, and there my name was always >pronounced 'Wally', like the first name which is common in the USA but not >very common here. In fact, I have seen the name written in censuses as >'Wolley', presumably after being spoken to an enumerator by an illiterate >person. > >When I chased my family tree to Cheshire, I found that there in the early >1800s my family spelled their names 'Walley', without and 'h', and they >were not illiterate. The 'h' was added later, probably to 'poshify' it. > >I have never visited the village of Whalley in Lancashire (shame!), but I'm >told by people who come from around there that in those parts it is >pronouned with the long 'a' - Wall - ee. > >In colloquial English, the term 'wally' denotes an inadequate or stupid >person. Therefore I have changed the way I pronounce my name from wally to >wall-ee. I hasten to add that I did this only because of the ragging my >son received at school over his name; so when he changed schools it was >natural to get over the problem by simply saying it differently! > >Incidentally, there are far more Whalleys in England than any other >spelling. Walley is the next most popular, with Whaley a distant third. > >Frank Whalley >Penarth, nr Cardiff, Wales, UK Hi Frank... I saved this to answer "later," which is today, I guess! <smile> Pronunciation is so regional, it's small wonder we rarely agree on how to say it, let alone how to spell it! I was visiting friends in Chester, Wales a few years ago, and (as ana aside)he graciously took me up to Whalley Abbey for a visit. My friend called me WALL-ee. Or perhaps WAH-lee... That was the first time I'd heard it pronounced that way. Since he was originally from Lancaster, I might have got most ANY way of saying the name from him, truth be known! 'E murders English as I know it, anyhow! Since my family has always pronounced our name WHAY-lee, I found it most interesting... Since then, I've watched carefully for messages that discuss the way we Whaley/Whalley/Whale/Walley folks pronounce our ancestral names. Even more interesting is the education I get on this list. The longer I belong, the more things I learn. I used to believe any Whaley, so spelled, was from a different branch of the family than a Whalley or especially a Wally! Then I learned how so-called misspellings arise. And that even among contemporary family members, some have chosen, for whatever reason, to spell THEIR family names differently from all the others in their family! All blood relatives, but in a couple of generations most in their family will have forgotten who changed the name and why. So it goes, and the history becomes even more muddied. It's things like that that make genealogy studies so interesting. Many thanks for your input! I look forward to follow-up messages from you and others on this list. Keith Whaley From the early 1600's Vermont, New England and Dale, New York branch of the U.S.-resident Whaleys... Now in Southern California >----Original Message Follows---- >From: cw1210@aol.com >Reply-To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com >To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [WSP] Whaley vs Whalley >Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 08:01:14 -0400 > >I've never paid too close attention to the spelling of names. Some of my >Dad's brothers use Burnette and some use Burnett. Some spell their >mother's maiden name Fogel and some spell it Fogle. Other than making for >some difficult times at the funeral homes it's never seemed to make much >difference. > >I did find it interesting though...... My husband and I visited Whalley, >England a few years ago. I had met someone over the internet and arranged >to have her meet us at the train station. We never turned around as she >ran along behind us calling, "Wally, Wally? Are you Wally?" It had never >occurred to me that the pronunciation would be different there. i.e. Wall >ee instead of Whale ee > >Connie Whaley ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== Whaley Oldest Ancestors List: now online at: http://whaley.phpbbnow.com ============================== Search Family and Local Histories for stories about your family and the areas they lived. Over 85 million names added in the last 12 months. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13966/rd.ashx

yeah go to google and type up Whaley DNA project :-) On 8/21/06, Phyllis Jackson <phyldierck@comcast.net> wrote: > > I have DNA results from male Whaleys desc from Jeremiah, David W, and > Archa. Is there a Whaley DNA project where I can add these DNA results? > Phyllis > > > ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== > Whaley Oldest Ancestors List: now online at: > http://whaley.phpbbnow.com > > ============================== > Search the US Census Collection. Over 140 million records added in the > last 12 months. Largest online collection in the world. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13965/rd.ashx > > -- Justin Whaley

Phyllis Jackson wrote: > I also have been to Whaley Bridge and Whaley Museum. The Museum is very > small, but interesting, nothing of genealogical interest. I asked about > the name Whaley. It is not named for a person or family. The word > whaley means small valleys or hills. > > Phyllis Hi Phyllis, I thought I'd read to you from the small book, "Tracing The History of Place Names," by Charles Whynne-Hammond, published 1992 by Countryside Books, Newbury, Berkshire. On pg. 151, under listings for Lancashire, it lists WHALLEY. About which it says: "Called Hwaelleage in AD 798 and Whalegh in 1246, the suffix here clearly comes from leah, Saxon for "grove', 'wood' or 'pasture'. But there is a debate about the origin of the prefix,-- either from hwael or from hwealf, Saxon words for 'hill' and 'vault' or 'arch' respectively." Take note that I noticed the apparent transposition of the 'a' and the 'e' in the above words, and that is precisely as the book prints them. I double checked to see whether *I* had transposed them. I didn't. In conversations I've recently had with Frank Whalley, Wales, we were talking about the pronouncing of the first three letters of the name. The above seems to quite clearly point out where the "whuh" sound comes from, doesn't it? Uncommon as it is in any English words WE know, nevertheless, how *else* would one pronounce "hweal" or "hwaelf", except starting out as sounding like "whale..."? Again, a most interesting exposition, no? keith whaley

Frank Whalley wrote: > I have never been to Whalley in Lancashire, England, but I have been to > Whaley Bridge in Derbyshire, England. There, the pronunciation is > definitely WAY-lee. I've written it purposely without the 'h', because > if the 'h' is pronounced I have difficulty hearing it. I think those folks say Derbyshire as DARBY-sh'r, anyhow, so who listens? <g> > I've also been to Manchester, which used to be in Lancashire before the > bureacrats messed about with the counties, and there is a suburb there > called Whalley Range, definitely pronounced Wolly, or Wally if you > prefer that spelling. To try and be clear, let's say it rhymes with > Polly, as in Polly Wolly Doodle. > > So this is my experience of what we have in England: > Whalley, Walley are pronounced to rhyme with Polly, everywhere except > near to the village of Whalley in Lancashire, where it is pronounced > WALL-ee, rhyming with Warley. > Whaley is pronounced WAY-lee, to rhyme with daily (i.e. every day). > In all cases, if the 'h' is aspirated, it is done very minimally. > > Frank Most interesting, Frank. I can only add that when the question arises (and it does more often than one might imagine!) I ask the questioner to pronounce the big fish's name ~ Whale. Certainly almost everyone is familiar with pronouncing that word. So, when they do, I ask them to add a Y at the end and pronounce it again. Whale-y. They rarely forget... In print, I'd often spell it WHAY-lee, to help out. On the other hand, you're totally right. Most of the time everybody pronounces it WAY-lee. Close enough for me... keith whaley So. Cal. ~ USA

I have DNA results from male Whaleys desc from Jeremiah, David W, and Archa. Is there a Whaley DNA project where I can add these DNA results? Phyllis

I also have been to Whaley Bridge and Whaley Museum. The Museum is very small, but interesting, nothing of genealogical interest. I asked about the name Whaley. It is not named for a person or family. The word whaley means small valleys or hills. Phyllis

I just did a web lookup: Definitions of *wally* on the Web: - stupid, foolish person www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/w.php<http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=0&oi=define&ei=fOzlRJKFIL2IiAHmlez4Cg&sig2=B3vc_7MJYDHEMg-ePnkZMQ&q=http://www.artistwd.com/joyzine/australia/strine/w.php> - a silly and inept person; someone who is regarded as stupid wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn<http://www.google.com/url?sa=X&start=1&oi=define&ei=fOzlRJKFIL2IiAHmlez4Cg&sig2=jbFC6SIyj8hbXPv9IDtHMA&q=http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Dwally> Australia: A wally is generraly means a "silly" person such as the famous (in Oz) campaign in saving water in the 80's with the tag line of "Don't be a wally with water" *Wally* Wally appeared in water conservation adverts a few years ago. A kind of accident-prone garden dag, he managed to waste water, generally in ways that involved him flooding his own garden and/or house, and looking like a complete drip. Each ad would end with the tagline "Don't be a Wally with water". On 8/17/06, nancy butterfield <nbutter@pacifier.com> wrote: > > Blank I must chime in here re the pronunciation of "Whalley." About 10 > years ago, my husband and I were in Whalley in England and were very quickly > corrected on the pronunciation. NOT "wally," the locals said. MUST be > "wohlly" with the O as in toll. Apparently "wally" means something fairly > insulting, not sure what. > Nancy Butterfield in Chinook, Washington > > A descendant of William and Margaret Hilditch Whalley from Lancashire > and Canada in the mid-1800s. > > > ==== WHALEY Mailing List ==== > Whaley Oldest Ancestors List: now online at: > http://whaley.phpbbnow.com > > ============================== > Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for > ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: > http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx > > -- Bev Graham Bethany, OK

Blank I must chime in here re the pronunciation of "Whalley." About 10 years ago, my husband and I were in Whalley in England and were very quickly corrected on the pronunciation. NOT "wally," the locals said. MUST be "wohlly" with the O as in toll. Apparently "wally" means something fairly insulting, not sure what. Nancy Butterfield in Chinook, Washington A descendant of William and Margaret Hilditch Whalley from Lancashire and Canada in the mid-1800s.