This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whaley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/901.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Stephan, You seem to have in your records some pretty good proofs of this Wm. Whaley's military record and the connection of his wife, Hannah ROUND, to her parents and grandparents! Would you share those sources and info with the rest of us so some of this controversy can be laid to rest? Thanks, Carolyn

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Atkins, Jones, Morris, Pepper, Whaley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/901.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have never seen any other name than Round for Hannah's maiden name. I've never attempted to research further back than the William and Hannah Whaley family. I'm descended from three of their daughters and I have some cousins who are descended from 4 of the daughters. My research has been on the descendants of those daughters. As far as getting on the same page, I will be more than happy to when someone proves the information that I have had for years to be wrong. Or at least gives me a strong argument. I'm not going to change just because someone comes along and says I'm wrong. I am easy to get along with and will readily make changes to my genealogy when those changes are given to me not in a condescending way. Stephen Frakes Descended from: Esther Whaley Pepper Martha Whaley Atkins Elizabeth Whaley Morris and my cousins: Mary Whaley Jones

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whaley, Pepper, Fowler Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/901.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This message was "gatewayed" to the Whaley mailing list at Rootsweb where it received several responses and rebuttals. To read those responses, go to Rootsweb's home page > Mailing Lists > Surnames > W > Whaley. Apparently William Whaley's Revolutionary War service is questionable and it is doubtful that he served at all. His wife's maiden name was not Round. We need to try and all get on the same page with this family. Judy K. in Newnan, GA Desc. of William and Hannah Whaley through their daughter, Hester Whaley Pepper, and her daughter Elizabeth Pepper Fowler.

Thank you, Tim, for sharing your vintage Christmas cards. They are beautiful. I have a small collection of vintage cards also, not all Christmas though. Enjoyed the page. Nancy Eggleston in MI (My grandmother was a Whaley) _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Tis the season to be with family, celebrate or create traditions unique to your family. For those of you who've added members to your family this year by birth, marriage or discovery - congratulations. For those of you who've lost members for whatever reason, my condolences. Some traditions pass as do the generations, while others are continued or created. For my family I remember my father speaking of his childhood in central New York in the 1930s, where on Christmas Eve his father would go out, find, cut down, a tree for Christmas. Brought back home it was decorated with among other things candles, which were lit at some point. For myself, the last few years when we've gone to Minnesota for the holiday, usually after lunch on Christmas day, we've walked down the middle of the local river for a mile or more, seeing the tracks left by the various creatures in the snow on the river and river banks. Sometimes we see pheasant and once I saw a snowy owl. To celebrate the season I'm passing along the URL of a site I created last year, of vintage Christmas cards from my personal family collection. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/state1/cards/chrstmas.htm Merry Christmas to you all, Tim

At 09:30 PM 12/20/06 EST, you wrote: > >If I find any more information, I will post it to the list, but I just wanted >Ruby to know I heard her loud and clear. Hope her medication is working. :-) I must have missed it, but I didn't see what the medication is for apoplexy. Ah - I see from the definition (lack of oxygen to the brain) that I often suffer from such although I'm not sure in my case if it is lack of oxygen or something else. >Judy K in Newnan, GA What in the world are you doing in my home town?! Tim Chattanooga, TN

Ruby, I knew you would jump in with the correct information. I hang my head in shame that I am decidedly rusty on my Whaley and Pepper research but that message just didn't ring true. I did remember you saying that no RW service records for our William had been found. Knowing how strongly you felt and how hard you had resarched that subject, I had to speak up. As for the Pepper information, it differs in places from what I have but I haven't done any current research. My information was based a lot on those estate papers listing the distributees after Hester died sometime after 1860. I need to (or someone needs to) go to the courthouse in Monroe in Walton County and look up those estate records --- the entire estate settlement including inventory, sales, accounting, distribution, who posted bond, annual returns, etc. A lot of answers probably can be found there. I'm sure all of us are curious as to the nature of the mulatto children in the census --- are they related or were they slaves who were very well taken care of? If they are relatives, whose children are they? Nobody seems to be able to figure that one out. I am calling Hester's name "Hester" based on the fact that the name carried down in the Fowler family for two more generations. Elizabeth Pepper Fowler had a daughter named Hester and Zephaniah Fowler (son of Elizabeth) and his wife, Lucy Ann Norris, had a daughter named Hester. The fact that the census taker wrote "Hessa" or "Hessey" just means that's what he heard. I don't believe the Pepper family was literate. No big deal. It wasn't important back then. Of the Pepper children given by Mr. Frakes, I do not have Sunsberry, William or Henry as children of John and Hester, although I believe Carolyn Kemp and her husband did ascertain that Sunsberry was a son. They had a letter in which the reference to Sunsberry would make him a son (he was somebody's uncle or something which put him in the right slot). Carolyn, if you're on this list and can clarify that, please do. Also I do not have a second marriage for Parker Pepper, son of John and Hester. Not that I'm right, I just don't have that information. Also, I am VERY curious as to how Mr. Frakes is descended from three of the Whaley girls. Related I can understand, but descended? Wow! That really takes some intermarrying. I hope he will explain that to us. If I find any more information, I will post it to the list, but I just wanted Ruby to know I heard her loud and clear. Hope her medication is working. :-) Judy K in Newnan, GA

The 2nd wife of George Edward Whaley was Elizabeth Middeleton sister of George Middleton. Her two grandsons, Charles Thomas and William, came to Edisto SC and spread out in to SC. The name Middleton runs thru my family also. That is why I'm trying to connect the TN , SC and MD Whaley's with DNA testing. Mike Whaley of the SC Whaley's ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco" <marco@prismnet.com> To: "ROOTSWEB" <whaley-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 8:26 AM Subject: [WHALEY] Middleton Whaley > Does anyone know where or when the name Middleton originated in the > Whaley family? I am descended from Alexander Whaley and his second > wife, Margarette Ann Hays. Their second child was "Middleton Benefield > Whaley" b. ca 1835 TN. > I just think it is strange to have 2 Alexanders with sons, Middleton and > not be related. Can anyone shed light on this?? > Thanks, Mary > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Does anyone know where or when the name Middleton originated in the Whaley family? I am descended from Alexander Whaley and his second wife, Margarette Ann Hays. Their second child was "Middleton Benefield Whaley" b. ca 1835 TN. I just think it is strange to have 2 Alexanders with sons, Middleton and not be related. Can anyone shed light on this?? Thanks, Mary

This is Ruby, correctly diagnosed by Judy--I need to know what the medication is for my illness and dosages required. The WHALEY BOOK that was mentioned certainly is not the one with all the GA Whaley research by Jackie Weeden, Whaley genealogist! We have no record of where and when William was born. Our book does not say William married a ROUND! but instead she was NEE Bruton, Brewton, Broughton, Brewton (various spellings.) We have documents that prove her maiden name. William was never referred to as William J. or William Jr. He was just plain WILLIAM. He was not in the War--there is NO record of his serving. We have tried to find any record. He and Hannah were in GA raising their large family. I have not had time to check the data on their children that is given by Stephen. And I hope Judy is checking the accuracy of the Pepper line he gives. I am not over my pique about the misinformation about Alexander and Leverich that is out there and now this!! How can I get ready for Christmas with all this going on???? More later. Judy, thanks, and please help! Ruby Nelson for Jackie Weeden Our book "The Early Georgia Whaleys" gives much info about this family. It is still available. rlnsd@aol.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whaley, Pepper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/901.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't have a lot on William and Hannah (ROUND) WHALEY. This is what I have: William WHALEY, born about 1750, Sinepuxent, Worcester County, Maryland. He died Aug 1795, Greene County, Georgia. William married Hannah ROUND about 1769. Hannah was born about 1753, Sinepuxent, Worcester County, Maryland, daughter of James and Rhoda (CRAPPER) ROUND. She was the granddaughter of James and Katrinnah (FASSITT) ROUND; and of Edmond and Hannah (___?___) CRAPPER. She was the great-granddaughter of William and Martha (WOOD) ROUND who were from England; and of William and Elizabeth (SHITTINGTON) FASSITT; and of John and Garthaight (BOWMAN) CRAPPER. In Nov 1776, William enlisted into the army. He served thru Dec 1779. He resigned due to ill health. He was in the 5th, 11th and 15th Virginia Regulars. He was with the foot regiment of Virginia, commanded by Colonel William RUSSELL, Colonel George MATTHEWS, Colonel Thomas FLEMING, Major Gustavus B. WALLACEAND and Lieut. Colonel CROPPER. His military records show that he was sick at Valley Forge, was at the battle of White Plains, Camp Middlebrook, commanded by Colonel Abraham BUFORD. He was at Camp Smiths Colvem, Haverstraw, Camp Amapaugh. The artillary commanded by Colonel Daniel MORGAN. William was on sick leave many times during his service. On 22 Jun 1795, William WHALEY made is will. It is as follows, "Record of the last will and testament of William Whaley, dec'd In the name of God Amen I, William Whaley of the state of Georgia and Greene County, being sick and weak of body, but of sound perfect and disposing mind and memory, blessed be God: Do this twenty second day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety five, make and ordain this my last will and testament in manner and form following, viz. "Imprime. I give and recommend my soul to Almighty God who gave it, and my body I wish to be buried in the earth at the discretion of my executors hereafter to be named. And my worldly goods I give, devise, and dispose of in the following manner. "Item. My will and desire is that all my just debts be paid by my executors out of my estate. "Item. I give and devise to my son Daniel Whaley one feather bed, which I bought from Benjamin Vinson, to belong to him and his heirs forever. "Item. All the rest and residue of my property of every nature and kind consisting of three feather beds furniture, one mare, one horse, one cow whatever money may be left from and after my just debts are paid, I give, devise and bequeath (in trust) to my loving wife Hannah Whaley, and my son Eli Whaley to belong to them jointly for the sole purpose of raising and educating my small children. And I do hereby nominate, constitute and appoint the aforesaid Hannah Whaley and Eli Whaley jointly executrix and executor of this my last will and testament, ratifying and confirming this and this only to be my last will and nullifying all other will or testaments by me heretofore made. "Witness my hand and seal the date above written. "William Whaley {seal} "Signed, sealed and acknowledged in the presence of us. "Wm. Phillips "Nathaniel Whaley" On 8 Aug 1795, "A true copy the original" will was Registered by Wm. Phillips, F. P., in Greene County, Georgia. You can see a copy of the original will at: http://www.zpconnection.net/Whaley_William_1795_will_image.php In 1805, the widowed Hannah WHALEY and Eli WHALEY, Lemuel WHALEY and William WHALEY, Jr. were living in the McCoells Tax District, Jackson County, Georgia Land Lottery. Children of William and Hannah (ROUND) WHALEY: 1. Esther "Hessey" WHALEY, born 14 Sep 1770, Sinepuxton, Worchester County, Maryland. Hessey married John PEPPER. (See Chapter 2) 2. Mary "Polly" WHALEY, born 1 Mar 1771, Georgia. Also known as the "Widow" Mary JONES. Mary married James JONES. (See Chaper 3) 3. Eli C. WHALEY, born 16 Oct 1774, Georgia. He died Dec 1855, Hancock County, Georgia. Buried in Walton County, Georgia. Eli married Elizabeth GRACE. 4. Rhoda WHALEY, born 27 Feb 1776, Georgia. Rhoda married ___?___ HENNING. 5. Martha "Patsy" WHALEY, born 25 Feb 1778, Georgia. Patsy married John ATKINS. (See Chapter 4) 6. Hannah WHALEY, born 27 Oct 1780, Georgia. Hannah married ___?___ EVINS. 7. William WHALEY, Jr, born 11 Jan 1783, Georgia. He died 1844, Fayette County, Georgia. William married Elizabeth LACKEY. 8. Samuel WHALEY, born 15 Nov 1784, Georgia. He died 1847-49, Georgia. Samuel married Miriam KELLY 11 Nov 1812, Hancock County, Georgia. 9. Isaac WHALEY, born 15 Apr 1787, Georgia. He died between 1870 and 1880 census, Tallapoosa County, Alabama. Isaac married 1st Judy HARRIS 31 Aug 1809, Morgan County, Georgia. Isaac married 2nd Sarah BERRY 7 Jan 1840, Henry County, Georgia. Isaac married 3rd Harriett RABURN 18 Jul 184, Tallapoosa County, Alabama. 10. Daniel WHALEY, born 26 Feb 1789, Georgia. Daniel married ___?___ BOWIE. 11. Elizabeth "Betsy" WHALEY, born 28 Mar 1791, Georgia. Betsey married Thomas J. MORRIS. (See Chapter 5) 12. child WHALEY, born Georgia. ****************************************************** Esther "Hessey" WHALEY, born 14 Sep 1770, Sinepuxton, Worchester County, Maryland, daughter of William and Hannah (ROUND) WHALEY. Hessey married John PEPPER about 1786. John was born 1770, Pennsylvania. He died before Dec 1854, Walton County, Georgia. In 1820, the census shows John PEPPER living in Gwinnett County, Georgia. 1 male and 1 female over 45; 1 male 16-25; 1 male 16-18; 1 male and 1 female 10-16. In 1830, the census shows John PEPPER living in Walton County, Georgia. 1 male 60-69; 1 female 50-59; 1 male 15-19; 1 male and 1 female 10-14. (Note: They lived next to a William PARKER. Possibly where the name of their son came from.) In John's will, he left his property to his wife Esther. He also provided for one of his granddaughters, Mariah, who he and Hessey had raised as their own. At Hessey's death, everything was divided among the children, or the grandchildren, in the case where the child was deceased. Their granddaughter Nancy SIMS, daughter of Kelley PEPPER, who was deceased, married Clayborne SIMS, who represented Kelley's children in the estate. On 19 Oct 1850, the census shows John, Sr. (80) and Hessa (80) PEPPERS living in Walton County, Georgia. With them was Polly age 18; Adeline age 7; and Caroline age 4. Adeline and Caroline were Mulatto. John was a farmer. His real estate was valued at $600.00. On 28 Jul 1860, the census shows Hessa PEPPER age 94, living in Walton County, Georgia. With her was her granddaughter, Mary A. age 30 (this was Mariah). Also with her were four mulatoo children Nancy age 19; Caroline age 13; William age 3; and Mary age 1. Nancy could possibly be Adeline, who is in the 1850 census with them. In 1880, she is in Jackson County, Georgia with a daughter Ellen. Children of John and Esther (WHALEY) PEPPER: 1. Parker PEPPER, born about 1790. Parker married 1st Nancy HASTELL. Parker married 2nd Matilda ___?___ . 2. Nancy PEPPER, born about 1794/95, Georgia. Nancy married Tillman McDONALD. 3. Mary "Polly" PEPPER, born Dec 1795, Georgia. Polly married Airs CONANT. (This is my branch of the Pepper family.) 4. Elizabeth PEPPER, born 1800/01, Georgia. Elizabeth married Nathan FOWLER. 5. Sunsberry PEPPER, born 1804, Georgia. Sunsberry married Phoebee JENKINS. 6. Kelley PEPPER, born 1804/05, Georgia. Kelley married Sarah HASTELL. 7. Martha PEPPER, born about 1805, Georgia. Martha married ___?___ LAKE. 8. Henry PEPPER, born about 1812, Georgia. Henry married 2nd Sarah WILLIAMS 1845. 9. William M. PEPPER, born about 1814, Georgia. William married Sarah "Sallie" ___?___ . 10. John J. PEPPER, born 1814/15, Georgia. John married Martha McDONALD. ******************************************************** Which one of the Pepper children are you descenced from? You can email me at: stephenfrakes@yahoo.com I could send you more on the Pepper family children if you like. I'm descended from 3 of the Whaley girls: Esther "Hessey" (Whaley) Pepper, Martha "Patsy" (Whaley) Atkins, and Elizabeth "Betsey" (Whaley) Morris. Talk about inbreeding. LOL Stephen stephenfrakes@yahoo.com

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whaley, Pepper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/901.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I don't have a lot on William and Hannah (ROUND) WHALEY. This is what I have: William WHALEY, born about 1750, Sinepuxent, Worcester County, Maryland. He died Aug 1795, Greene County, Georgia. William married Hannah ROUND about 1769. Hannah was born about 1753, Sinepuxent, Worcester County, Maryland, daughter of James and Rhoda (CRAPPER) ROUND. She was the granddaughter of James and Katrinnah (FASSITT) ROUND; and of Edmond and Hannah (___?___) CRAPPER. She was the great-granddaughter of William and Martha (WOOD) ROUND who were from England; and of William and Elizabeth (SHITTINGTON) FASSITT; and of John and Garthaight (BOWMAN) CRAPPER. In Nov 1776, William enlisted into the army. He served thru Dec 1779. He resigned due to ill health. He was in the 5th, 11th and 15th Virginia Regulars. He was with the foot regiment of Virginia, commanded by Colonel William RUSSELL, Colonel George MATTHEWS, Colonel Thomas FLEMING, Major Gustavus B. WALLACEAND and Lieut. Colonel CROPPER. His military records show that he was sick at Valley Forge, was at the battle of White Plains, Camp Middlebrook, commanded by Colonel Abraham BUFORD. He was at Camp Smiths Colvem, Haverstraw, Camp Amapaugh. The artillary commanded by Colonel Daniel MORGAN. William was on sick leave many times during his service. On 22 Jun 1795, William WHALEY made is will. It is as follows, "Record of the last will and testament of William Whaley, dec'd In the name of God Amen I, William Whaley of the state of Georgia and Greene County, being sick and weak of body, but of sound perfect and disposing mind and memory, blessed be God: Do this twenty second day of June in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and ninety five, make and ordain this my last will and testament in manner and form following, viz. "Imprime. I give and recommend my soul to Almighty God who gave it, and my body I wish to be buried in the earth at the discretion of my executors hereafter to be named. And my worldly goods I give, devise, and dispose of in the following manner. "Item. My will and desire is that all my just debts be paid by my executors out of my estate. "Item. I give and devise to my son Daniel Whaley one feather bed, which I bought from Benjamin Vinson, to belong to him and his heirs forever. "Item. All the rest and residue of my property of every nature and kind consisting of three feather beds furniture, one mare, one horse, one cow whatever money may be left from and after my just debts are paid, I give, devise and bequeath (in trust) to my loving wife Hannah Whaley, and my son Eli Whaley to belong to them jointly for the sole purpose of raising and educating my small children. And I do hereby nominate, constitute and appoint the aforesaid Hannah Whaley and Eli Whaley jointly executrix and executor of this my last will and testament, ratifying and confirming this and this only to be my last will and nullifying all other will or testaments by me heretofore made. "Witness my hand and seal the date above written. "William Whaley {seal} "Signed, sealed and acknowledged in the presence of us. "Wm. Phillips "Nathaniel Whaley" On 8 Aug 1795, "A true copy the original" will was Registered by Wm. Phillips, F. P., in Greene County, Georgia. You can see a copy of the original will at: http://www.zpconnection.net/Whaley_William_1795_will_image.php In 1805, the widowed Hannah WHALEY and Eli WHALEY, Lemuel WHALEY and William WHALEY, Jr. were living in the McCoells Tax District, Jackson County, Georgia Land Lottery. Children of William and Hannah (ROUND) WHALEY: 1. Esther "Hessey" WHALEY, born 14 Sep 1770, Sinepuxton, Worchester County, Maryland. Hessey married John PEPPER. (See Chapter 2) 2. Mary "Polly" WHALEY, born 1 Mar 1771, Georgia. Also known as the "Widow" Mary JONES. Mary married James JONES. (See Chaper 3) 3. Eli C. WHALEY, born 16 Oct 1774, Georgia. He died Dec 1855, Hancock County, Georgia. Buried in Walton County, Georgia. Eli married Elizabeth GRACE. 4. Rhoda WHALEY, born 27 Feb 1776, Georgia. Rhoda married ___?___ HENNING. 5. Martha "Patsy" WHALEY, born 25 Feb 1778, Georgia. Patsy married John ATKINS. (See Chapter 4) 6. Hannah WHALEY, born 27 Oct 1780, Georgia. Hannah married ___?___ EVINS. 7. William WHALEY, Jr, born 11 Jan 1783, Georgia. He died 1844, Fayette County, Georgia. William married Elizabeth LACKEY. 8. Samuel WHALEY, born 15 Nov 1784, Georgia. He died 1847-49, Georgia. Samuel married Miriam KELLY 11 Nov 1812, Hancock County, Georgia. 9. Isaac WHALEY, born 15 Apr 1787, Georgia. He died between 1870 and 1880 census, Tallapoosa County, Alabama. Isaac married 1st Judy HARRIS 31 Aug 1809, Morgan County, Georgia. Isaac married 2nd Sarah BERRY 7 Jan 1840, Henry County, Georgia. Isaac married 3rd Harriett RABURN 18 Jul 184, Tallapoosa County, Alabama. 10. Daniel WHALEY, born 26 Feb 1789, Georgia. Daniel married ___?___ BOWIE. 11. Elizabeth "Betsy" WHALEY, born 28 Mar 1791, Georgia. Betsey married Thomas J. MORRIS. (See Chapter 5) 12. child WHALEY, born Georgia. ****************************************************** Esther "Hessey" WHALEY, born 14 Sep 1770, Sinepuxton, Worchester County, Maryland, daughter of William and Hannah (ROUND) WHALEY. Hessey married John PEPPER about 1786. John was born 1770, Pennsylvania. He died before Dec 1854, Walton County, Georgia. In 1820, the census shows John PEPPER living in Gwinnett County, Georgia. 1 male and 1 female over 45; 1 male 16-25; 1 male 16-18; 1 male and 1 female 10-16. In 1830, the census shows John PEPPER living in Walton County, Georgia. 1 male 60-69; 1 female 50-59; 1 male 15-19; 1 male and 1 female 10-14. (Note: They lived next to a William PARKER. Possibly where the name of their son came from.) In John's will, he left his property to his wife Esther. He also provided for one of his granddaughters, Mariah, who he and Hessey had raised as their own. At Hessey's death, everything was divided among the children, or the grandchildren, in the case where the child was deceased. Their granddaughter Nancy SIMS, daughter of Kelley PEPPER, who was deceased, married Clayborne SIMS, who represented Kelley's children in the estate. On 19 Oct 1850, the census shows John, Sr. (80) and Hessa (80) PEPPERS living in Walton County, Georgia. With them was Polly age 18; Adeline age 7; and Caroline age 4. Adeline and Caroline were Mulatto. John was a farmer. His real estate was valued at $600.00. On 28 Jul 1860, the census shows Hessa PEPPER age 94, living in Walton County, Georgia. With her was her granddaughter, Mary A. age 30 (this was Mariah). Also with her were four mulatoo children Nancy age 19; Caroline age 13; William age 3; and Mary age 1. Nancy could possibly be Adeline, who is in the 1850 census with them. In 1880, she is in Jackson County, Georgia with a daughter Ellen. Children of John and Esther (WHALEY) PEPPER: 1. Parker PEPPER, born about 1790. Parker married 1st Nancy HASTELL. Parker married 2nd Matilda ___?___ . 2. Nancy PEPPER, born about 1794/95, Georgia. Nancy married Tillman McDONALD. 3. Mary "Polly" PEPPER, born Dec 1795, Georgia. Polly married Airs CONANT. (This is my branch of the Pepper family.) 4. Elizabeth PEPPER, born 1800/01, Georgia. Elizabeth married Nathan FOWLER. 5. Sunsberry PEPPER, born 1804, Georgia. Sunsberry married Phoebee JENKINS. 6. Kelley PEPPER, born 1804/05, Georgia. Kelley married Sarah HASTELL. 7. Martha PEPPER, born about 1805, Georgia. Martha married ___?___ LAKE. 8. Henry PEPPER, born about 1812, Georgia. Henry married 2nd Sarah WILLIAMS 1845. 9. William M. PEPPER, born about 1814, Georgia. William married Sarah "Sallie" ___?___ . 10. John J. PEPPER, born 1814/15, Georgia. John married Martha McDONALD. ******************************************************** Which one of the Pepper children are you descenced from? You can email me at: stephenfrakes@yahoo.com I could send you more on the Pepper family children if you like. I'm descended from 3 of the Whaley girls: Esther "Hessey" (Whaley) Pepper, Martha "Patsy" (Whaley) Atkins, and Elizabeth "Betsey" (Whaley) Morris. Talk about inbreeding. LOL Stephen stephenfrakes@yahoo.com

Most of you Whaley resesarchers are going back into ancient (to me) generations, and I've still never proved the identity of my great-grandfather. 'Tain't FAIR!! I have some first cousins (I'm copying this to them) who are also interested, and some of us are interested in the DNA project in hopes it can identify which line we're from. So, pardon the long message, but every so often in my research I like to put the message out again, to see if anyone else has found something that connects. Here it is: My grandfather was Jesse Monroe Whaley, born in the fall of either 1877 or 1878, according to oral history in Searcy County, Ark. His mother was Mary J. Renfro (her name in 1880 on the census in Van Buren County, where Jesse is listed as age 2). On her deathbed about 5 years later, Mary told Jesse that he had a brother (Tom?) and that Jesse's father was a Will Whaley. There is a possibility that Jesse had those two names reversed but we are fairly certain the father was Will. I've found no record of a marriage between a Mary Renfro and Will Whaley. Later in 1880, after the census, she married W. Henfry Gordon, which we know from family lore as well as a copy of the marriage license in Van Buren County. Other counties associated with Jesse and family in Arkansas: Yell, Perry, Faulkner, White, Woodruff. There is Indian blood descending through Jesse, Cherokee we think, and (we think) through his mother Mary Renfro. In later life, Jesse and family moved to Oklahoma, 1919, and he died in 1924. He had a half brother George Gordon. You will note that Jesse's middle name was Monroe (or Jess Monrow as written on hia WW I draft registration); he included Monroe in a son's name. I only mention this because there were some Whaleys in Arkansas who used the name Monroe several times. I do have a theory about Jesse's parentage, as follows: The theory concerns the Peyton Greene Whaley family, on the 1880 census in Hempstead County, Ark., whose 25 year old son William lived nearby, single, head of household, with younger brother F. M. Whaley (Francis Marion), and another single male. As noted, Jesse had a brother named Tom, and in looking at the Hempstead census, I find there was a 4 year old (black) Thomas Parker in the Peyton Greene household. I have suspected that our Will got Mary Renfro pregnant, and that she went away to have the baby in another county. That was common even in my lifetime (I was born in 1951), since it was such a scandal for an unmarried girl to have a baby. So in my scenario, about 1877 she became pregnant and went away but already knew of a child named Tom (the Parker boy, in my scenario) by another mother. It builds a bit of a picture. Peyton Greene Whaley had several farm laborers, in addition to a housemaid, which may indicate a comfortable life, perhaps wealth. Then you have three single men ages 25, 23, and 21 living together...an ideal setup for a guy with less-than-honorable intentions toward vulnerable women. Hempstead County is in SW Arkansas, while Searcy Co is north of Little Rock--a suitable distance in that era for sending away a young girl "in disgrace" and there were Renfros in both counties. The Will Whaley in this story later morried someone else and probably was never married to Mary J. Renfro, who died before the age of 30 (about 1885). This is the closest thing I've found, and I think there's a chance that it's roughly accurate. What do you think of my scenario?? Any connections? Just curious. By the way, in my suggestion of Will Whaley fathering illegitimate children, I intend no offense to anyone related to the Peyton line; these things happen, then and now. It's just become less socially sensitive than it would have been then...and I MAY not be right! Beverly Graham, Bethany, OK

After seeing this come across the gateway .... >>>William WHALEY, born about 1750, Sinepuxent, Worcester County, Maryland. He died Aug 1795, Greene County, Georgia. William married Hannah ROUND about 1769. Hannah was born about 1753, Sinepuxent, Worcester County, Maryland, daughter of James and Rhoda (CRAPPER) ROUND. She was the granddaughter of James and Katrinnah (FASSITT) ROUND; and of Edmond and Hannah (___?___) CRAPPER. She was the great-granddaughter of William and Martha (WOOD) ROUND who were from England; and of William and Elizabeth (SHITTINGTON) FASSITT; and of John and Garthaight (BOWMAN) CRAPPER. <<< ...I am waiting for Ruby to have apoplexy. I don't believe this is accurate, according to Nelson and Weeden research. I'm sure Ruby will set us all straight as soon as she sees this. Judy K in Newnan, GA Descendant of William Whaley and Hannah Bruton/Brewton/Broughton (not Round) Hester Whaley who married John Pepper and Elizabeth Pepper who married Nathan Fowler

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: whaley-pepper Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/901.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Would you have any information like: dates, marriage, death anything on William J. Whaley and Hannah Round Hessey maried to ? and the dates and where Hessey might be buried. thanks Helen Peppers Hay Hessey is my gggrand mother also but thats about all I know about the family. I have the Whaley book but that did not help. Thanks

Middleton was the maiden name of George Edward Whalley's wife. The grandmother of Charles Thomas and William who came to Edisto. -------------- Original message -------------- From: lhalti@comcast.net > The SC St. James Goose Creek Whaley's have a Middleton Whaley b: abt 1830 and > died 11 Nov. 1862. He left a wife and son - Charles Middleton. > Food for thought, Middleton had a first cousin named Wm A. Whaley (Rev) died > Irving College, TN died 24 May 1858.We know nothing else on him. > > With so many lines using the Middleton - it must mean something?? > > Lynn - St. James Goose Creek, SC Whaley's. > > By the way, when Mike Whaley had his DNA tested, 3 of us cousins went together > and split the cost with Mike. This makes it really easy on the pocket book. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

The SC St. James Goose Creek Whaley's have a Middleton Whaley b: abt 1830 and died 11 Nov. 1862. He left a wife and son - Charles Middleton. Food for thought, Middleton had a first cousin named Wm A. Whaley (Rev) died Irving College, TN died 24 May 1858.We know nothing else on him. With so many lines using the Middleton - it must mean something?? Lynn - St. James Goose Creek, SC Whaley's. By the way, when Mike Whaley had his DNA tested, 3 of us cousins went together and split the cost with Mike. This makes it really easy on the pocket book.

Lynn (or anyone on the list), Have you by any chance found anything else out on the Gibson/Gipson-Whaley connection? I was just reminded after seeing the Middleton name, the Gibson family in SC also married into the Middleton family. I sure wish we could find how the Gibson and Whaleys are related. Merry Christmas Robin Holt ----- Original Message ----- From: <lhalti@comcast.net> To: <WHALEY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2006 6:42 PM Subject: [WHALEY] Middleton Whaley > The SC St. James Goose Creek Whaley's have a Middleton Whaley b: abt 1830 > and died 11 Nov. 1862. He left a wife and son - Charles Middleton. > Food for thought, Middleton had a first cousin named Wm A. Whaley (Rev) > died Irving College, TN died 24 May 1858.We know nothing else on him. > > With so many lines using the Middleton - it must mean something?? > > Lynn - St. James Goose Creek, SC Whaley's. > > By the way, when Mike Whaley had his DNA tested, 3 of us cousins went > together and split the cost with Mike. This makes it really easy on the > pocket book. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.15.18/586 - Release Date: > 12/13/2006 > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/950.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks, Carolyn. emullins@pineland.net

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whaley/Griggs/Fitchen/Nichols/Worthington/Lander/Haynie/Carter/Higgerson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/950.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Eva, I'd like to add your Oldest Whaley Ancestor to our ongoing compilation on the Whaley Search Party. To do that, I'd need your email address. This might help you connect to the parents of William Whaley d. bef 1821 (possibly in GA?) who md. Martha Brown! Carolyn Carolyn Whaley Vosburg