Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: > Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under > Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in S.C.? If not, where does this John fit in? C. Carolyn Whaley Vosburg Houston, TX

The old year has left us. All of its triumphs and tragedies, hopes and dreams are now a part of our history. In comes the new year, a clean slate, upon which we will write our own story. On this first day, we can resolve to do many things. Many of these will soon be lost in the busy part of our lives. Still here and there some of those seeds of resolution will bear fruit. >From the writer of Ecclesiastes - "To everything there is a season... a time to be born and a time to die..a time to weep and a time to laugh..a time of war and a time of peace. May the new year bring you many triumphs, few tragedies, dreams fulfilled, faith in your fellow man, hope for the future and charity for all. To celebrate the promise of the new year I'm passing along the URL of a site I created in 2005 of vintage New Year's cards from my personal family collection. http://www.usgennet.org/usa/ga/state1/cards/newyears.htm If you missed the vintage Christmas cards, there is a link included to view them. May you have a wonderful New Year. Tim

Nancy, Nellie Jane Whaley is my husband's grandmother who was born in Grindstone Mi, July 26, 1887 up at the tip of the thumb, Her parents Myron Henry and Jennie C. Wade were married in East Cleveland, Ohio. Myron was born in New York and Jennie I have not been successful in finding anything more about. I have found out more about Myron's folks and have found a picture of Myron and his family in the family album. Nellie had 2 brothers and 1 sister, A brother named Carlos, it has been noted in the family papers he may have died in a Detroit Hotel fire, and brother Clarence Wilson Whaley married Mary Moore. Nellie's sister's name was Ida, who married John Tomlinson. Until next time, Valerie Wressell ----- Original Message ----- From: neggleston@excite.com To: smartoones@comcast.net ; neggleston@excite.com ; whaley@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2006 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [WHALEY] Tis the season Hi Val, My grandmother, Maude Ethel Whaley was born in 1892 near Montgomery, MI (the southcentral area, near the Indiana line). She died in Jackson, MI at a Medical Care Facility there at the age of 92. I was very close to my grandmother. She told me that her father was Joseph Walter Whaley and his father was Warren W or S Whaley. I have never been able to find a death record or burial for him, although I know he died in 1874, again near Montgomery, MI. I have check Ohio and Indiana records as well as MI and have hit a brick wall. She also told me Warren's father was named Runnals. I believe this is also spelled Reynolds, and his mother's name was Lydia and that he was from Wyoming Co., NY. I really don't have anything on a Nellie in any of my records, but I do know there is another researcher in the Whaley lines from Jackson. I believe her first name was Phyllis, but I can't remember her last name. She belonged to the Jackson Co., Gen. Soc though. And she was working on another Warren Whaley. You might want to contact her. A lot of our Whaley lines were from Indiana, I believe, also. For instance, John Whaley, Joseph's brother. Thanks for answering. I shall keep Nellie in my mind and if I run across her I shall e-mail you. Nancy Castle Eggleston --- On Sat 12/30, Val Wressell < smartoones@comcast.net > wrote: From: Val Wressell [mailto: smartoones@comcast.net] To: neggleston@excite.com, whaley@rootsweb.com Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 06:03:21 -0500 Subject: Re: [WHALEY] Tis the season Nancy, My husbands grandmother was a Whaley as well, Nellie Jane Whaley, we also live in Michigan style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> ----- Original Message ----- style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black">From: href="mailto:neggleston@excite.com">neggleston@excite.com To: href="mailto:whaley@rootsweb.com">whaley@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [WHALEY] Tis the season Thank you, Tim, for sharing your vintage Christmas cards. They are beautiful. I have a small collection of vintage cards also, not all Christmas though. Enjoyed the page. Nancy Eggleston in MI (My grandmother was a Whaley) _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to href="mailto:WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com">WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web!

Hello Listers, It's interesting that my Whaley ancestor, Louisa Maria Whaley was supposedly born in Otsego, NY in 1808, to as yet unknown parents. She married Nathaniel Pearsall whose family came from New London, CT. Louisa and Nathaniel had three children before Nathaniel died about 1832; Clarke, Abigail, Sarah. After Nathaniel died, Louisa married John Adams Rockwell in Michigan in 1833, then had 8 more children, all residing in Michigan, thereafter. Kathy Abbey -----Original Message----- From: joykiel@localnet.com To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 10:59 PM Subject: [WHALEY] New London County CT-Whaley I would appreciate hearing from anyone with ANY information on ANY Whaley's in New London County CT in the late 1700's and early 1800's. I am still attempting to solve the mystery of whom were the parents of my Theophilus Whaley born in 1759 in South Kingstown RI, married in New London Co CT in 1779 and died in Hartwick, Otsego Co., NY in 1841. Ruby: Please let Jackie know that I have confirmed through a series of original records, that Theophilus Whaley born 1759 South Kingstown, RI who died in Harwick, Otsego Co., NY in 1841 wife's name was Mary Killiam daughter of Samuel Killiam and Deborah Morgan. (her exact maiden name had previously been uncertain and her parents unknown). I am hopefully getting closer to finding Theophilus's parents. Joy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/959.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Please tell me your connection to the SMALLWOOD'S My mother was a smallwood lived in Banks Co, Ga. Gainesville. Her Father is Geroge Washington Smallwood Thanks Helen Peppers Hay I am also related to the Whaley family John J Pepper Married Esther Hessa Whaley

Thanks Keith! :) <<<<Carolynwha@aol.com wrote: > My Husband is a Whaley (Dave) and we too live in Michigan! (Jackson) > Are your Whaley's from the Cadillac area Whaley's? > Carolyn Whaley You didn't mention (or append) the message you're addressing, so it's unclear to whom you're speaking! keith whaley>>>> <<<<Nancy, My husbands grandmother was a Whaley as well, Nellie Jane Whaley, we also live in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: neggleston@excite.com To: whaley@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [WHALEY] Tis the season Thank you, Tim, for sharing your vintage Christmas cards. They are beautiful. I have a small collection of vintage cards also, not all Christmas though. Enjoyed the page. Nancy Eggleston in MI (My grandmother was a Whaley)>>>>

Carolynwha@aol.com wrote: > Thanks Keith! :) Most welcome, Carolyn! To you, and to the list, since we've almost used up 2006, I wish everyone a joyous last day, and an auspicious beginning on the new year! Happy searching, and this time I wish all of you RESULTS! ;-) Be well, keith whaley

I read and reread what I wrote and even then I erred in the meaning of NEE. Jackie just called me and told me about the error and Keith wrote about it also. I know better, but this article was so involved I just didn't see that error. Of course, NEE means MAIDEN NAME, so Hannah was born a BREWTON, not a ROUND. So, please take your pen and cross out the word MARRIED in paragraph 5 and note that it means MAIDEN. Maybe I could blame this error on Apoplexy-- Ruby

Yes, we'd love to go to fish fry Friday night. See you Tuesday. P

RLNSD@aol.com wrote: > I read and reread what I wrote and even then I erred in the meaning > of NEE. Jackie just called me and told me about the error and Keith > wrote about it also. > I know better, but this article was so involved I just didn't see that error. > Of course, NEE means MAIDEN NAME, so Hannah was born a > BREWTON, not a ROUND. > > So, please take your pen and cross out the word MARRIED in > paragraph 5 and note that it means MAIDEN. > > Maybe I could blame this error on Apoplexy-- > > Ruby Awww heck, blame it on the phase of the moon. A lot of my mistakes are ones I know about, once I think about it! Just shows you're a human bean! ;-) We love ya, Ruby! keith

Yes, Carolyn, the Part 2 that I offered to Steven is from the book "The Early Georgia Whaleys, A Closer Look" by Weeden and Nelson. Part 2 refers to the large family of William Whaley and Hannah Brewton Ruby N. rlnsd@aol.com

Well said and well done, Miss Ruby. You should have done that before. That lends even more credibility to the Georgia Whaley research. I'm sorry my message on the board turned into such a fracas. It was obvious that there were two conversations going on --- one on the message boards and one on our list. Because of the structure of the boards and lists (the gateway), we could "hear" their conversation but they couldn't "hear" ours. Since I feel this is such an important topic in the Whaley family, I felt that something should be said to lead those on the message boards to our "side" of the story, so I gave "directions" on how to find the mailing list archives. Mr. Frakes' message and detailed family history of William and Hannah made statements of fact but gave no sources or documentation. I knew some of those "statements" were questionable and readers should be advised to take it with a word of caution. I had stumbled across that family tree (Round, Cropper, etc.) many years ago on one of the Web sites at Rootsweb. As you said, things "fit" in Hannah's family background, but a little too conveniently. And the paper in Georgia that stated she was "nee Brewton," meaning she was born with that name, sort of put the lid on things and tossed the "Round" theory out the window. (I still think we should investigate the "Brattens" of Maryland.) However, I don't have the documents and did not do the research. You and Jackie did. Therefore, I felt it was up to you to defend Hannah's ancestry and, as you said, tell the story of "the gutsy lady who deserves to be written in history the correct way." I have a copy of the Early Georgia Whaleys and I KNOW it is well documented with references to hundreds of official records. If something is mentioned which is not fact, it is plainly stated that it is just theory, and it is clearly shown how that theory comes into play with the facts and evidence. It is one of the best one-family history books I have ever seen ...so good that I bought my cousin one for her birthday years ago. She raved about what a good reference book it was. I, too, want to know if the "Part 2" you mentioned is something new. If so, I definitely want it. Please contact me privately if more has been added to the Georgia Whaleys and I need to purchase an addendum. Again, thank you, Ruby, for taking the time to state the facts. Judy K. in Newnan, GA

I would appreciate hearing from anyone with ANY information on ANY Whaley's in New London County CT in the late 1700's and early 1800's. I am still attempting to solve the mystery of whom were the parents of my Theophilus Whaley born in 1759 in South Kingstown RI, married in New London Co CT in 1779 and died in Hartwick, Otsego Co., NY in 1841. Ruby: Please let Jackie know that I have confirmed through a series of original records, that Theophilus Whaley born 1759 South Kingstown, RI who died in Harwick, Otsego Co., NY in 1841 wife's name was Mary Killiam daughter of Samuel Killiam and Deborah Morgan. (her exact maiden name had previously been uncertain and her parents unknown). I am hopefully getting closer to finding Theophilus's parents. Joy

My Husband is a Whaley (Dave) and we too live in Michigan! (Jackson) Are your Whaley's from the Cadillac area Whaley's? Carolyn Whaley

Ruby: Is the Part 2 of the Whaley Book the same as "The Earl Georgia Whaley, A Closer Look"? or this another? "We do not stop playing because we are old; we grow old because we stop playing" Linda

Hello again, To you all, especially descendants of William and Hannah of GA. I ask you all to copy this and peruse it and comment and if you have ANY documents to prove it wrong, let me know and Weeden and I will change our records. I survived Xmas and a bout with the flu, but have not yet recovered from the material I received Dec. 18 pertaining to William and Hannah. As I read this material I suspect it is from a web. One must be very careful with the data on those webs, as the creator of the web can make any statements he or she wishes, without proof. I have worked with Jackie Weeden, Whaley genealogist since 1989 or so and have been taught that sources must be provided for statements made and the sources should not be twisted and inserts made to them to make them agree with what the researcher wants to say. In this case, I suspect that wanting to descend from an illustrious family has colored the thinking of a researcher. The ROUND theory is a familiar one. In the 1990s Jackie and I corresponded with a researcher who descends from William and Hannah. I will refer to this researcher as "X" for reasons of privacy. X and Jackie and I exchanged materials and things went well for a while until X discovered a will by James Round wherein James mentioned a teen- aged daughter HANNAH. So X stated, "Aha, that is who married William Whaley." X gave a marriage place and date, even though there are no records. We stated that a document "Information of Family Heads 1805 GA" by Joseph T. Maddox stated "Jackson Co, Hannah Whaley, widow of William was nee Brewton." X replied that the statement meant that Hannah Round married a Brewton before she married Whaley. NO. Nee means married name, so Hannah was born a Brewton. (There are various spellings of Brewton.) We stated that Samuel Betts Jones, grandson of William and Hannah stated in his Journal that Hannah's maiden name was Brawton. X replied that the Journal was written several years after William and Hannah's deaths and therefore, Samuel would not know his grandmother's maiden name, as most grandchildren don't. We disagreed with that statement, also. I spent a lot of time and $s in Salt Lake City trying to find info regarding Hannah Round. There was NO record--the church where the mythical marriage of Hannah Round to William Whaley took place was the Buckingham Presbyterian Church of Berlin, MD, according to X. There is no record of marriages, there. According to WHALEYVILLE by Arthur B. Cozzens the church in that location there was Methodist. The Whaleys who came to GA were mostly Baptists. The Queen of England presented the Buckingham church with a silver service. Would the Whaleys associate themselves with a Royalty backed church after the first Whaleys fled to America to escape the wrath of the King of England??? I have Family Group Sheets prepared by X mentioned above and the above statements giving the ROUND theory are there. The material I received in Dec. 2006 says William was born about 1750 in Sinepuxent, Worcester Co , MD. There is NO record available that shows his birth date or place. His parents are unknown. There were so many Williams and Nathaniels and Edwards it seems impossible to determine parentage. The material states that THIS William served in the Rev. War from VA. In 1934 William T. Whaley of Sparta, GA wrote to the War. Dept. trying to find if his great great grandfather William Whaley, who died 1795 in GA had served in the Rev. War. The answer to him indicated that it was NOT his ancestor who had served from VA. The VA William Whaley had enlisted from Loudoun Co, VA, had served in various companies, applied for a pension on Sept. 11, 1818 at the age of 64 years and had died Aug. 14, 1824 in KY. His identification # was s.37632. The William Whaley in GA died in 1795!!! In 1940 Lula Reed Boss of Maysville KY also wrote to the War Dept requesting info on the VA William Whaley. She was sent the same info as in the paragraph above. A book, written by Rosenberg, p. 591 listed below: 'Descendants of James Burden 1740-1806, James Whaley 1684-1759 Henry Talbott 1745-1819' by Karl Rosenberg, 1982, gives info on the VA William Whaley. It indicated the names of his parents and grandparents and states that he did not marry. Is this enough proof? Maybe someone should contact the War. Dept. to see what THEY come up with. If there is any proof THIS GA WILLIAM WHALEY served in the Rev. War, let me know. I have had difficulty getting up enough nerve to write the above reply, but I know it MUST be done. Weeden and I have tried before and have had some success changing some people's minds. We have been called names but she has the records--I relay them to others. I will write another article re these problems in which I will try to give some corrections and further info, especially re Hannah Brewton, the gutsy lady who deserves to be written in history the correct way. If you wish to see Weeden's material, we still publish the GA Whaley book. Let me know. Ruby L. Nelson rlnsd@aol.com

I need the email address for Helen Hays that Stephen is writing to. And to Stephen, if you send me your PO address, I will send you free of charge Part 2 of our GA Whaley book that pertains to this William and Hannah. A rebuttal follows. Ruby Nelson rlnsd@aol.com

Carolynwha@aol.com wrote: > My Husband is a Whaley (Dave) and we too live in Michigan! (Jackson) > Are your Whaley's from the Cadillac area Whaley's? > Carolyn Whaley You didn't mention (or append) the message you're addressing, so it's unclear to whom you're speaking! keith whaley

Nancy, My husbands grandmother was a Whaley as well, Nellie Jane Whaley, we also live in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: neggleston@excite.com To: whaley@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [WHALEY] Tis the season Thank you, Tim, for sharing your vintage Christmas cards. They are beautiful. I have a small collection of vintage cards also, not all Christmas though. Enjoyed the page. Nancy Eggleston in MI (My grandmother was a Whaley) _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/901.1.2.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Stick to your gun son and tell it like it is. I admire that. Thanks Helen