This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Mallison/Butler Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/679.722.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for the husband of Almira Butler. She married a Timothy Mallison. He is mentioned in her father Zachariah's probate as being in Middlebury. I think this Timothy is the son of Timothy Sr. and Lydia Whaley. Do you have any reference to who Timothy Jr. married? Zachariah's will was probated in Genesse Co. NY and three of his son inlaws are living in Middlebury per will.

In the research I have done on Major General Edward Whalley, his son John was born 1633, and married a Springate, daughter of Sir Herbert Springate. John was also a member of Parliment for the town of Nottingham in 1654. John's son , Hebert, owned family estates in England in 1672. In my family information, it states that John settled in Delaware.This was a study done by my Aunt Clara Whaley who was born in 1886, >From Susan Babcock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyn Vosburg" <lynvos@sbcglobal.net> To: <WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: [WHALEY] MORE on The Regicide! > Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: > >> Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under >> Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. > > Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in > S.C.? > If not, where does this John fit in? > > C. > > > Carolyn Whaley Vosburg > Houston, TX > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

The following was posted several years ago, but without documentation to back it up, I can't say if it is accurate or not! Gen. 1 Richard Whalley md. Elizabeth Leake Gen. 2 Thomas Whalley Gen. 3 Richard Whalley md Laura Gen. 4 Thomas Whalley md Elizabeth Hatfield Gen. 5. Richard Whalley md. Frances Cromwell Their children: 1. Edward (1615-1674) md. 1st Judith Duffel Children: John md. Springate: Children - Herbert & James Frances md. William Goffe, a Regicide Nathaniel md. 2nd Mary Middleton Children: Elias, Rachel, Elizabeth, Bridget 2. Henry md. Rebecca Duffel (given lands in Ireland by Cromwell) 3. Thomas md. Mary Penniston 4. Robert (Some speculation this is Theophilus; again, no proof!) 5. Elizabeth b. 1602 md. Sir. Robert Douglas, Viscount Belhaven; One daughter: Susan b. 1618 On Jan 13, 2007, at 8:53 AM, Sue Babcock wrote: > I am also a descendant of Theophilus and have material that has been > passed > down from geneation to generation, > What I have says that Edward's son John resided in Delaware, his son > Nathaniel resided in Maryland, and his son Elias resided in Virginia > with no > male issue. It also says that Sir Herbert Whalley , son of John, > resided in > England.. > The material I have doesn't state that Edward Whalley had a brother > John, > It only gives the names of Thomas, Elizabeth, Henry, Robert, and Jane > as his > siblings. > from Susan Babcock, Wakefield, RI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> > To: <whaley@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:39 AM > Subject: Re: [WHALEY] MORE on The Regicide! > > >> At 08:57 PM 1/1/07 -0600, you wrote: >>> Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: >>> >>>> Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under >>>> Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. >>> >>> Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in >>> S.C.? >>> If not, where does this John fit in? >>> >>> C. >>> >>> >>> Carolyn Whaley Vosburg >>> Houston, TX >> >> I've got some more to add to this as well from a excerpt from a book >> I've copied out the Whaley family portion to post somewhere soon. >> >> Right now though I'm in the throes of setting up a new computer, >> moving >> data and what fun that is not. >> >> Tim >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am also a descendant of Theophilus and have material that has been passed down from geneation to generation, What I have says that Edward's son John resided in Delaware, his son Nathaniel resided in Maryland, and his son Elias resided in Virginia with no male issue. It also says that Sir Herbert Whalley , son of John, resided in England.. The material I have doesn't state that Edward Whalley had a brother John, It only gives the names of Thomas, Elizabeth, Henry, Robert, and Jane as his siblings. from Susan Babcock, Wakefield, RI ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stowell" <tstowell@chattanooga.net> To: <whaley@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: Re: [WHALEY] MORE on The Regicide! > At 08:57 PM 1/1/07 -0600, you wrote: >>Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: >> >>> Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under >>> Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. >> >>Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in >>S.C.? >>If not, where does this John fit in? >> >>C. >> >> >>Carolyn Whaley Vosburg >>Houston, TX > > I've got some more to add to this as well from a excerpt from a book > I've copied out the Whaley family portion to post somewhere soon. > > Right now though I'm in the throes of setting up a new computer, moving > data and what fun that is not. > > Tim > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

At 08:57 PM 1/1/07 -0600, you wrote: >Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: > >> Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under >> Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. > >Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in >S.C.? >If not, where does this John fit in? > >C. > > >Carolyn Whaley Vosburg >Houston, TX I've got some more to add to this as well from a excerpt from a book I've copied out the Whaley family portion to post somewhere soon. Right now though I'm in the throes of setting up a new computer, moving data and what fun that is not. Tim

At 10:39 AM 1/11/07 EST, you wrote: >Tim >Were you able to open the document for Whaley, William J.? It wouldn't open >for me... >Would you mind trying to do so? > >Thanks, > >Sue Yes, I was able to open it. It was from Telfair County, GA. If you still can't let me know. Tim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whaley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/946.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am also part of this Whaley branch. My gg grandfather was Otis Whaley, the brother of Cyrenus. I'll email the information I have on this line to you.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/946.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello! I recently learned I have Whaley's in my family tree. Eska (Eskie?)Whaley married William Weatherby and they had a daughter, Bertha who married Harrison Adelbert Spangler. Eska's father was Cyrenus Whaley. All of these are buried in Oakgrove Cemetery in Morenci Michigan. I am interested in learning all I can about the Whaley family. I met a cousin in Seneca Michigan this fall whose maiden name was Whaley.

Tim Were you able to open the document for Whaley, William J.? It wouldn't open for me... Would you mind trying to do so? Thanks, Sue ps And thanks for sharing this wonderful website!!

If you've not seen this - it is a treat. http://content.sos.state.ga.us/cdm4/browse.php?CISOROOT=%2Fpension 5 Whaley applications are there now, more likely will appear as the project continues. I only searched for Whaley for this note, so if you have other family in Georgia, who served, you can certainly check them out as well. Links to other available items as well. Good show for the state government. Tim

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/1056/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for any Whaleys in Walker County. Anyone related to a Manerva Whaley who married a Willie Dinkins. They were both born around 1875 and 1882 abouts.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/36.79.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a gggrandfather named Thomas Stringfield Whaley. Moved from Kingsport, TN, to Barren Cty, KY to Cozad, NE Would like to share info. I'm related through his 1st wife MaryAnn Emmett. My ggrandfather was his son, John Wesley Whaley

Might anyone know if Jane WOOD b. 1896 Iowa married Carl or Earl WHALEY? (Carl was translated as such, but it sure looks as tho his name is Earl) 1930 census Walls Township, Traverse Co, MN shows these folks living at 4-5 with their children Arthur 15 and Owon 14 If this is Jane WOOD then she was also shown as living with her folks at 23-24 I wonder if this is an error in the census since both of these Janes were born 1896 & in Iowa & they live in such close proximity to each other. Diana

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Whaley Classification: death Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/surnames.whaley/1055/mb.ashx Message Board Post: As published in: The Athens Messanger Athens, Ohio December 25, 1879 Mrs. David Whaley, of Tupper's Plains, died on the 7th.

Carolyn, In St. James Goose Creek, we have a John with land (1000) next to Geroge Powell Whaley, Sr.'s land. I don't know the date of the survey. Michael, if you are reading this, can you find your copy of the survey? The person that did reserach in Berkeley told me (before he died) that he felt that John was George P.'s father. We have no proof. The Edisto Whaleys have several Johns' but none earlier than 1783. We are trying to get DNA testing of the two lines to see if we are related. The Edisto Whaleys claim they are decendents of Edward. The St James Goose Creek Whaleys have "Middleton" as a prominent name. There are several names that both lines used frequently. It is interesting that The St. James Goose Creek used 'Middleton" and the Edisto Whaleys did not. Our line has never claimed further back that George P. Whaley, Sr. Of course we have not given up. Just information that might be worthwhile. Lynn

Annette, thanks for your response. I am forwarding our correspondence to the Whaley list in case there are other descendants of Alexander and Margarette Hays. I think someone is trying to establish a Whaley DNA depository so comparisons may be made to connect descendants. I can't explain how DNA works but I know it has to be from son to son on down. Maybe someone else can explain the "X" and "Y" chromosome thing. You said Riley's first wife was Martha Lamberson. Is she the same as Lucinda on the 1880 census? That census also shows sons Robert and James (or Jasper). On the 1910 census, Tennessee was shown with sons John, Mid (Middleton ?), and W. H. Alexander and Margarette had 3 sons that I know of: Middleton Benefield, Riley P. and William A.. I haven't found Middleton in later years but William A. shows 1 son, Truman B. in the 1880 Independence Co census. If anyone is related to these sons, please let us know. Thanks for all the help from everyone. Mary Cody

[I tried to copy and paste Weeden's FGS for William and Hannah Brewton Whaley but since it has columns it will not come through decently. So I copied and pasted Stephen's FGS as it was received by us and have put additions, corrections and additional information below his items and have enclosed our material with brackets such as these--[ ]. Children of William and Hannah (ROUND) WHALEY: [Hannah is recorded as NEE BREWTON, which means she was born a Brewton. Brewton is also spelled Brawton, Bruton, Broughton, etc. Hannah's grandson Samuel Betts Jones referred to her as Hannah BRAWTON. In the 1930s a descendant and researcher Susie Cunyas referred to her as Hannah Pound. We wonder if she married a POUND later in life. ?? There were Pounds living in that area then.] 1. Esther "Hessey" WHALEY, born 14 Sep 1770, Sinepuxton, Worchester County, Maryland. Hessey married John PEPPER. (See Chapter 2) [Esther was probably originally called 'Hester' but because of the trouble the English had with the letter 'H', she was called Esther and Hessy would be a nickname. There is no proven place of birth.] 2. Mary "Polly" WHALEY, born 1 Mar 1771, Georgia. Also known as the "Widow" Mary JONES. Mary married James JONES. (See Chaper 3) [She was born March 1, 1772, probably not in GA. She died 12-25-1847 in Marion Co, IL and was bur in Sandy Branch Cem, Marion Co IL.She had more children after her husband died, and they were evidently fathered by Samuel Betts. They went by the last name of 'Jones' and the youngest was called Samuel Betts Jones.] 3. Eli C. WHALEY, born 16 Oct 1774 GA. He died Dec 1855, Hancock County, Georgia. Buried in Walton County, Georgia. Eli married Elizabeth GRACE. [Eli was born Feb. 16, 1774, probably not in GA. He died Dec.1855, Hancock Co GA and was buried in Walton Co GA, where his wife Betsy and daugher Comfort were buried after they were murdered. Eli never used the letter C in his name. One index called him E.C. Whaley but a check of the original handwritten ELI showed that the written L was leaning to the right, and the i came up underneath and made it look like a C.] 4. Rhoda WHALEY, born 27 Feb 1776, Georgia. Rhoda married ___?___ HENNING. [We have seen her husband's name spelled Hemming.] 5. Martha "Patsy" WHALEY, born 25 Feb 1778, Georgia. Patsy married John ATKINS. (See Chapter 4) [Patsy married twice--1st to Ben Evins and 2nd to Robert Atkinson or Atkins.] 6. Hannah WHALEY, born 27 Oct 1780, Georgia. Hannah married ___?___ EVINS. [Descendant Edwina Moody says Hannah's husband's name was Ewins or Ewing.] 7. William WHALEY, Jr, born 11 Jan 1783, Georgia. He died 1844, Fayette County, Georgia. William married Elizabeth LACKEY. 8. Samuel WHALEY, born 15 Nov 1784, Georgia. He died 1847-49, Georgia. Samuel married Miriam KELLY 11 Nov 1812, Hancock County, Georgia. [He died in ?Murray Co GA.] 9. Isaac WHALEY, born 15 Apr 1787, Georgia. Isaac married 1st Judy HARRIS 31 Aug 1809, Morgan County, Georgia. Isaac married 2nd Sarah BERRY 7 Jan 1840, Henry County, Georgia. Isaac married 3rd Harriett RABURN 18 Jul 184_, Tallapoosa Co AL [He was known as Isaac R. He died between 1870 and 1880 Census, Tallapoosa Co AL. We have the marriage date for Isaac R. and Raburn as 1846.] 10. Daniel WHALEY, born 26 Feb 1789, Georgia. Daniel married ___?___ BOWIE. [We found a record mentioning his wife as Hiles.] 11. Elizabeth "Betsy" WHALEY, born 28 Mar 1791, Georgia. Betsy married Thomas J. MORRIS. (See Chapter 5) [Betsy was married 2-1-1807 in Jackson Co GA. She died 6-2-1853 in Marion Co IL.] 12. child WHALEY, born Georgia. [We have no record of this child.] [Sources used by Jackie Weeden for the FGS for William and Hannah nee Brewton: Susie Cunyas' papers, Samuel Betts Journal, 1805 Family Heads of GA by Joseph T. Maddox, Census, land, estate and marriage records and tax digests.] ****************************************************** [Descendants of William and Hannah Brewton should copy this and put it in their William Whaley and Hannah Brewton file for future reference.] [The Weeden-Nelson GA Whaley book has Family Group Sheets for each of these children.] [My email address is rlnsd@aol.com]

I have evidently confused people by offering Part 2 to Stephen to show him the researched material of William and Hannah Brewton. Jackie and I have only ONE book--"The Early Georgia Whaleys, a Closer Look." We do not have a second book. Our book has 4 parts, the first part is about Nathaniel and wife Agnes ____ and children, the SECOND part is about William and Hannah Brewton, the third part is about Mystery Whaleys and the fourth part is about County data and maps. If you have the Whaley Book mentioned above, you have the complete book. The only differences in later editions of this book is that we may have made a few minor changes here and there as sourced data came in but we didn't put the dates and references to that data. So, if you have the original, that is all we have. Ruby

Carolyn- Based on the birth year of 1633, and the membership in parliament you mention, I believe the John under discussion was the son of Edward Whalley, not his brother, per the information I have collected below. A letter written by John's sister indicated he moved overseas by 1662, and yet estate and land records seem to show John's son Herbert remained in England, although he was a minor, which seems odd. I would be grateful for any sourcing for the move to South Carolina, and anything tending to show John as a brother of Edward instead of his son. Thanks. -Bob John Whalley, son of Edward Whalley and Judith Duffel or Duffield, b. abt. 1633 ("aged about 22 1655" to parents Edward Whalley and Judith Duffel (Marshall, Visitation of Nottingham, 118); "A marriage record was located in 1999: Feb. 7, 1627--Edward Whalie of Flintham in Nottingham, gent. and Judith Duffield of Rochester, Kent. M., L.V.G. (M means 'maiden' and L.V.G. is 'License Vicar General')" (Jackie Weeden, The WHALEY Family of England, Ireland, Plymouth CO MA, and New London Co, CT., freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~prattwv/whaley.htm)), m. abt. 1658 to Elizabeth Springate, daughter of Sir Henry Springate (Buck Whaley, Buck Whaley's Memoirs, edited by Sir Edward Sullivan, Bart. (1797; London: 1906), www.eiretek.org/chapters/books/BuckWhaley/intro.htm, quotation at bottom from John Whaley's letter of 1658 indicating his recent marriage. Cites Noble's Memoirs of the Protectorate-House of Cromwell; The Visitations of the County of Nottingham, 1569 and 1614 (Harleian Society Publications, 1871); Familiae Minorum Gentium, vol. iv. (Harl. Soc..); Lodge's peerage of Ireland (Archdale), vol. vi.; Sir Wm. Betham's MS. Pedigrees, Brit. Mus.; Do. MS. Pedigrees in Ulster's Office, Dublin; MS. Visitation of Nottinghamsheire, by Sr. Rich. St. george Ny King of Arms in 1614, Brit. Mus. (Harl.); Nichol's Leicestershire, ii. 736; Calendar of State Papers, Ireland, 1650-1660, passim; and Notes and Queries, 5th Series, iii. 591 5th Series, v.463-4; vii. 81; viii. 177 and 358.]). John Whalley was cornet of horse; served the Protectorate in Ireland under Oliver's son Henry Cromwell in 1658, but was replaced by his half-brother Henry Whalley after fighting a duel with the apparently hot-headed Phillip Stanhope, Lord Chesterfield, in which Captain John Whalley was "dangerously wounded" ("In February 1658 he[Phillip Stanhope] was arrested for a an intended duel with Lord St. John, and on 8 June the Protector committed him to the Tower for dangerously wounding Captain John Whalley in a duel." (Ancestry.com. Dictionary of National Biography, Volumes 1-20, 22 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: MyFamily.com, Inc., 2003. Original data: Sir Leslie Stephen, ed.. The Dictionary of National Biography Founded in 1882 by George Smith. Vol. I-XX, XXII. London, England: Oxford University Press, 1921-1922., 910, cites Letters of Philip, second Earl of Chesterfield, 1835, 84 and Calendar of State Papers, Dom. 1657-8: 290, 1658-9: 52, 62). Buck Whaley, Buck Whaley's Memoirs, Text above pedigree chart at bottom of webpage, quotes Letter from Oliver Cromwell, Lord Protector, to Harry Cromwell. Also cites Calendar of State Papers, Ireland. John Whalley's commission as cornet is in 'House of Commons Journal Volume 7: 23 January 1660', Journal of the House of Commons: volume 7: 1651-1660 (1802), pp. 818-20. www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=24913. Date accessed: 09 September 2006.) He was member of Parliament for Nottinghamshire, 1658-9, also for Shoreham Borough; moved overseas abt. 1662, based on a letter written by his sister Frances, daughter of Edward Whalley and wife of William Goffe ("In a letter from Mrs. Goffe to her husband, in answer to his letter of 29 May, 1662, she says: "My brother John is gone beyond the sea, but I know not whither. His father-in-law is dead."" (Noble, House of Cromwell, 1:153-4; Henry, Descendants of Simon Henry and Rhoda Parsons, 49)). John and Elizabeth had a son, Herbert Whalley (Buck Whaley, Buck Whaley's Memoirs, edited by Sir Edward Sullivan, Bart. (1797; London: 1906), www.eiretek.org/chapters/books/BuckWhaley/intro.htm, see sourced pedigree chart at bottom of page). A John Whalley disposed of his estates in Bury and Wistow, Huntingdonshire in 1664 to his sister Hampson and her children, at the discretion of his sister Elizabeth Wingfield and his cousin John Blew. (Noble, House of Cromwell, 1:153, footnote). Herbert, the son of John Whalley and Elizabeth Springate, managed to regain some of the Whalley estate lost to the crown over the course of the English Civil Wars and the Restoration, due to its being mortgaged to Arnold Waring, probably a trustee for the Whalley family, holding Sibthorpe in particular through assignments and heirships by 1672 (Noble, House of Cromwell, 1:154). ________________________________ From: whaley-bounces@rootsweb.com on behalf of Carolyn Vosburg Sent: Mon 1/1/2007 9:57 PM To: WHALEY-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WHALEY] MORE on The Regicide! Rec'd this recently from a cuzzin: > Edward's brother John (1633-1693) was an MP from 1658-59 (under > Cromwell's Protectorate) and later settled in South Carolina. Does anyone know if Lord Edward Whalley's brother, John, settled in S.C.? If not, where does this John fit in? C. Carolyn Whaley Vosburg Houston, TX ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to WHALEY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, thanks for asking. Unfortunately, I do not know any of my Whaley family. I have only found 2 other descendants from Alexander and Margarette Hays Whaley, one from Riley P. and one from Amanda Jane. Maybe they have a male family member who would be willing to try the DNA testing. Mary Cody