David- Your comment that your family originated in NY caught my attention. What part of NY and who are the ancestors? I reside in Rochester but have a number of descendents via Theophilus (RI) who migrated here in the late 1700's. Robert Whaley Rochester, NY

How many people still have computers that can read a 5-1/4" floppy disk which used to be standard just a few years ago? Take a look at the computers that are coming out now. More and more do not even have 3-1/2" floppy diskette drives, but 100 MB or greater Zip drives. A 2-1/2 year old today would be lucky to be able to read a disk created today by the time she reaches 1st grade. When she's old enough to care about her grandfather's autobiography, I doubt if there would be a computer anywhere that could read the disk. Is anyone even saving old computers? Yes, print it out on acid-free, archival type paper and store it carefully if you want it to last. Jean K.

In a message dated 9/1/99 5:37:51 PM, [email protected] writes: << How many people still have computers that can read a 5-1/4" floppy disk which used to be standard just a few years ago? Take a look at the computers that are coming out now. More and more do not even have 3-1/2" floppy diskette drives, but 100 MB or greater Zip drives. A 2-1/2 year old today would be lucky to be able to read a disk created today by the time she reaches 1st grade. When she's old enough to care about her grandfather's autobiography, I doubt if there would be a computer anywhere that could read the disk. Is anyone even saving old computers? Yes, print it out on acid-free, archival type paper and store it carefully if you want it to last. Jean K. >> I agree with Jean re: the need to save the old fashion way. However, due to the large amount of data storred, storring it by computer is still safe. I have changed all of my data from 3.5" floppies to my zip drive and if a future storage device comes out, I will change it to that. I am planning on getting a CD "writer" next. I doubt whether there will not be a service out there who can read it. Old home movies are still being read and I recently had some data on the old punch cards updated to disk. (am I telling my age?).

Dear David: I just received your message: <David Fayette Whaley Date: 99-09-01 18:12:17 EDT <From: [email protected] (David F Whaley) To: [email protected] <I am a relative of the Whaley's from NY. My grandfather, Fayette, had <two families. One in Michigan and one in Wisconsin. Fayette was born <appx 1850 and fathered my father (Ralph) in 1912 when he was quite old. I< have two brothers, Roger and Barry. My father (Ralph) was an <executive with the Boy Scouts of America. ***** Yes, David, we have a Fayette Whaley in our files. It is from Jackie Weeden's records. The name Fayette rang a bell with me as I just finished typing the F Whaleys last week. The Fayette we have was b 1846. His parents were Orson Whaley and Dianth Tucker. He m Eva Adelle Chase and had 5 children in MI. They were divorced and he married Marybelle Taylor and they had 5 children in WI. The youngest, # 10 is Ralph Arthur. I think this is your Fayette. I can send you a copy of his Family Group Sheet by attachment, if you so wish. Let me know. rlnsd for Jackie Weeden.

Ruby- I contacted the Virginia Library regarding baptism records pre-1750. According to researchers, there is a very limited number of records from this time period. The only means of examining the records is in person so I will research them when I visit Richmond in November. I have discovered a marvelous resource for early Virginia court/deed/marriage and birth records in Virginia. Sam and Ruth Sparacio have been transcribing these records from county books and microfilm for a number of years and have made the information available for purchase via their website. The address is www.antientpress.com Their books are also available at some libraries, including the Virginia Library. The Virginia Library will not do an inter-library loan outside of Virginia so I will either buy a couple of the books or will see if they are available through any library in NY. If anyone can get access to these records via loan from within Virginia, I would be interested in anything pertinent to Wale/Whale/Whaley pre-1700. Robert Whaley Rochester, NY

Ruby/Jackie This is one of the main reasons I am planning a trip to the Virginia Library. I will be there in late November and hope to pick up as many Wale/Whale/Whaley references as I can find. In the meantime, I am trying to get as much information over the internet as possible in order to save time. The Virginia Library website does have quite a bit of information digitized, unfortunately there are also large gaps. Another reason for going there in person. Robert Whaley Robert Whaley

DISK PRESERVATION -is this true?? >From Dear Abby------By the time a 2 1/2 year old daughter is old enough to care about her grandfather's autobiography, no one outside a couple of computer museums will be able to retrieve it from the disk....if she's incredibly lucky. The material should be printed out now, giving thought to the printer and print cartridge, on 100 percent cotton or linen rag buffered paper with a neutral pH, and store it in a nondestructive archival folder in a dark, safe place, like a safety deposit box...... IS THIS RIGHT? ************* VIRGINIA BAPTISMS- 'Until 1786, all children born in VA, regardless of religious affiliation were required to be baptized in the Episcopal Church--the 'State Church'. Parish registers giving names, date of birth and names of parents can be found in the VA State Library in Richmond.' If this is correct, and those records DO exist and ARE accessible either in person or by postal mail or by internet, --families like George Wale and Oswald Whaley of Lancaster Co VA COULD be verified and proven. Plus--I would say--a LOT of other early VA families. Jackie Weeden.

Frank Whalley: I'd like a copy sent via attachment. Rich Whaley [email protected]

Hi WSPers I am no expert, but a researcher friend of mine has a book about coat of arms (coats of arm?) that states a particular design is for one generation only and that each succeeding generation changes the design in some way. If anyone is *really* interested, I will query him.... Sue J. still hunting the father of James Whaley of Loudon Co. VA

The Library of Virginia has been proceeding to digitize their records of Land Office Patents and Grants and there is an incomplete record of land transactions available for Old Rappahannock County. The site address is www.lva.lib.va.us I have a copy of a record index from the (Old) Rappahannock County Deed Book 1672-1676 Part II (that Jackie graciously shared) that shows the first record of Theophilus Whale as a grantee of land with Daniel Swillivant in 1674. The index entry, under Governor William Berkeley's seale dated Sept 23, 1674, states that the land was granted "by and for the transportation of Nine persons into this Collony" but doesn't show the names of the nine. I believe that Daniel's father was in the business of transporting goods and persons to the colonies from various locations. What this relationship means to Theo is yet to be determined but it is obvious that Theo was a "partner" in the land grant with Daniel Swillivant. It might be of interest, if it is possible, to trace the origin of any of these nine persons referenced. I have located the original written record which does show these names, although the record is VERY difficult to read. I have a file copy made from the Virginia Library digital archives if anyone is interested in seeing it. You will need a tiff viewer, such as Quick View Plus, to open the file but you can manipulate the information to get a larger view. This is the only land patent record for Theo that I have located so far even though we know that he partook in many such transactions as recipient and /or counselor during his tenure in Virginia. There are, however, records for other Wale/ Whale/Whaleys in the digital files if anyone is interested. I plan to visit the library in November to see what additional information can be found. Robert Whaley

George Whaley- Thanks for the information you located for Thomas and Hattie. Thomas worked for the Erie Railroad. I actually have a picture of Thomas and other section hands taken in 1916 and sent to his sister. I will include it in the story about Tom amd Hattie's mysterious murders, known as part of the "Linden Murders" which took place in Linden, NY in 1924. The 5 murders were never solved. Robert Whaley

WSP- Any update as to the wherabouts of a Henry Whalley Irish/English will? Robert Whaley

Frank Whalley- I would like to get a copy of the JPG file for the Whalley coat of arms. Thanks. Robert Whaley

Ruby queried the difference between the terms 'Crest' and 'Coat of Arms'. Well, I'm no expert, but I think I know the difference. The crest is the bit right at the top of the Coat of Arms, on top of the helmet. Originally, the 'Arms' were a design put on a shield so that armoured knights could recognise each other in battle. Then they were woven into a surcoat which was worn over the armour, hence the term 'Coat of Arms'. But also for identification purposes, they wore something on top of the helmet, a specially designed 'Crest'. A Coat of Arms usually comprises: the shield, with a helmet over it, sometimes with a wreath around it; the mantling, which is a stylised form of ribbons falling from the back of the helmet and around the shield; and above all this, the Crest. There is also, sometimes, a motto on a scroll underneath. The Whalley Coat of Arms is, I believe, officially documented in 'Burke's General Armory'. The blazon (description) of the arms (shield) is: 'Argent Three Whale Heads Erased Sable'. 'Argent' means silver, (or white in practice), 'Sable' means black, and 'Erased' means that the heads look as though they had been forcibly torn off. The Crest is described as a black whale's head, erased. This is, more or less, how the Whalley Coat of Arms is shown in Rev. Sam's book, though for some reason, the helmet is not shown, even though the crest is. In Whitaker's 'An History of the Original Parish of Whalley' is a plate showing the window in Whalley Church on which are painted the Arms of local families. Only the shields are shown. For Whalley de Clerkhill, the design on the shield is three whale heads, facing left, two on top, one below. The whales are spouting, though to me they look more like parrots than whales. I have a scan, in JPG format of a pretty good representation of the Whalley coat of arms, in gold and silver and black. The size of the file is 49kb. If anyone would like a copy, let me know and I will send it to you as an attachment. Frank Whalley Cardiff, Wales, UK

George Whaley wrote: > > [email protected] wrote: > [snip] > > > ROBERT WHALEY of NY--You said you were trying to write about the > > murders re a Thomas Whaley in NY. Jackie found a NY Soundex for > > 1920-Genesee Co NY, Chaddock Road, ED 18, p. 4. It shows Thomas > > 62, NY and Hattie 51 Canada. Perhaps the actual census would show > > more. rln > I checked the census film today. Thomas has a middle initial - A. Hattie's middle initial is I(?). The second character in Thomas' age has been over-written. It does not look like the other 2s on the film. It looks more like a 7 or a 1. Of course, it could be a 2. Thomas and his parents were all born in NY. Hattie and her parents were born in Canada. They owned their home and it was free of mortgage. Thomas was a laborer and employed by the Railroadxxx (I couldn't make out the last three letters). Hope this helps someone. George

Hello : I saw this posting on another list I subscribe to and thought it might be of interest to someone on the list. Good luck Charles Whalen ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Hirst <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 5:55 PM Subject: Welland Biographies, (Whalley, John Edward) > Biographical Sketches from The History Of Welland County Ontario, > published 1887 > > "TOWN OF WELLAND > > JOHN EDWARD WHALLEY, merchant tailor, was born in Wosbro, Yorkshire, > England, on the 7th day of November 1850. His father was Richard, and > his mother Emma (Guest) Whalley, both natives of England. Our subject > received his education in his native land, and learned his trade at > Kirkham, Lancashire. He emigrated to America in 1868, and remained in > the United States about eight years, when he came to Canada, and after > remaining in a short time in St. Thomas went to Niagara Falls, and two > years later came to Welland where he engaged as cutter for D. > McConachie. He afterwards started business on his own account, and has > carried on business in Welland ever since. He keeps a large and well > selected stock of imported cloths, gent's furnishings, etc., whichhe > buys in the foreign markets himself. He is a first-class cutter and > enjoys a good trade. Mr. Whalley was married in September 1876, to > Mary, daughter of William Hearn, a native of Devonshire, England; they > have a family of two children, a boy and a girl. Our subject is a > member of Merritt lodge, A.F. & A.M., and adheres to the Episcopal > Church." > > > ==== NIAGARA-ONT Mailing List ==== > Tip of the Week > When replying to a message please check the subject > line before sending it to make sure that the subject > reflects what is in your message.

Hi, This is my first posting to the list and is there anyone out there researching James Whaley and his second wife Penelope King besides Larry Thomas and myself. Nancy Anne (our line) is the only child that I have information on. Any help appreciated. Sarah

I went back and found in my own papers that T.J Whaley , Jr. from Marshall ,Texas served in the Civil War and while gone, his wife managed his properties so well that she saved a bunch of money.and abought him a ranch in Bowie County. This is from a book on Harrison Co. Families by the Historical Society. It does not state how long he had it , but in 1883-4, he went into the Hardware business in Marshall. Mary Lee Barnes

Lonnie Scallen Stayton, OR [email protected] Hi Everyone, First time posting. This is my WHALLEY family I am researching in Lancashire, England. I'm not positive on my 2 oldest William's, but they seem to fit. If anyone recognizes any of the famiy lines to help confirm them, it would be great to hear from you. Thanks in advance for any help. Lonnie William WHALLEY, b ?   + Elizabeth HIGHAM   b1734-5     m   27 May 1755 Bretherton       1. Mary Whalley   c 1755       2. Thomas Whalley c 1760       3. Thomas Whalley c 1764       4. Ellen Whalley c 1766       5. Margaret Whalley c 1768       6. Elizabeth Whalley c 1770       7. WILLIAM WHALLEY c 1772       8. Thomas Whalley c 1776 William WHALLEY , c1772 + Jenet HOLME b abt 1766       m 10 aug 1790 Croston       1. THOMAS WHALLEY c 1791 Croston       2. John Whalley c 1792 Croston Thomas WHALLEY c 1791 + Nanny SUMNER m 30 November 1815     Croston       1. Robert Whalley b 1821 Bretherton       2. WILLIAM WHALLEY b 1821 Bretherton             (twins)       3. Mary Whalley b 1823 Bretherton       4. Robert Whalley b 1825 Bretherton William WHALLEY b 1821 + Ann SPENCER c 1825 m 12 April 1852   Preston       1. Alice Whalley c 1853 Preston       2. Margaret Ann Whalley c 1854 Preston       3. William Richard Whalley c 1857 Preston       4. Margaret Ellen Whalley c 1861 Preston       5. Ann Whalley c 1862 Preston       6. James Whalley c 1863 Preston       7. JOHN WHALLEY b 1865 Preston John WHALLEY b 1865 + Martha Jane OXENDALE b 1863     m 24 November 1883 Leyland       1. Martha Whalley b 1884 Lathom       2. William Whalley b 1885 Ormskirk       3. Ann Whalley b 1887       4. Mary Alice Whalley b 1889       5. THOMAS WHALLEY b 1891 Wigan       6. May Whalley b 1893       7. Hilda WHalley b 1895       8. Margaret Whalley b 1897       9. Elizabeth Whalley b 1899       10. John Richard Whalley b 1901               Walton-le Dale       11. Robert Whalley b 1903       12. Henry Whalley b 1905 Lostock Hall Martha (1) married Alfred BROOKS and moved to the US in 1911. She died in Salinas, CA in 1971. One child, Annie. William (2) married Ellen HIGHAM. Two children, Tom and Mary. Ann (3) married Sam GORE. Mary Alice (4) died as a child. May (6) never married. Hilda (7) never married. Margaret (8) married Charles HOLLAND and moved to Canada in 1924.   They had 4 children, 2 who still live in Canada. Elizabeth (9) married James DENTON. No children. John Richard (10) married Fanny CROOK. They had 1 child, Norman. Robert (11) married Olive HARRISON. They had 1 child, Frank.   Henry (12) married Edyth, they had 2 sons. Thomas (5) my grandfather, married Hazel Harding in Minnesota. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I'm not sure which one of the Marshall,TX Whaleys Whaley, TX was named after... Betty M. Sharp, the editor of the Texarkana USA Quarterly, wrote that she found in the "Bowie County Historical Handbook" that "Whaley (TX) was named after a family from Marshall, TX.". I don't know if the book gives any more precise information. She added that in recent years, Whaley TX is at a railroad crossing just north of the Texarkana City limits which is now inside the city. Her address is Texarkana USA Genealogical Society P.O. Box 2323 Texarkana, TX 75504-2323 On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:23:33 -0400 "MARY l BARNES" <[email protected]> writes: >The Whaleys in Marshall ,Texas were descendants of Thomas Jefferson >Whaley,son of Eli Whaley, son of William Whaley and Hannah of Ga. Two >of >T.J. 's sons went to Texas and settled in the Marshall and Longview >area. >Mary Lee Barnes Would be interested to know which one had descendants >in >Bowie Co. > ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.