>From Jackie Weeden to Gene Hardy Whaley-- Your messages have been delivered and pondered upon. I am so sorry you have had the computer problem. You are wise to start at the bottom of your line and work your way up. So thus you need to determine the parents of James Ratliff, your great grandfather. As you said, you need his parents and siblings. We discussed your line previously this summer and found you had some breaks in it. At that time you indicated that Edward Whaley and Elizabeth Caldwell were the parents of James Ratliff, and evidently you still believe that. The census records do show that an Elizabeth/Lizzie was the mother of James Ratliff, but Elizabeth Whaleys are a dime a dozen, you know. I do not believe that Edward Whaley and Elizabeth Caldwell were the parents of James Ratliff for the following reasons: There were three marriages in 1803 in Greene Co GA: Betsy Whaley and Warren West Edward Whaley and Elizabeth Caldwell James Adolphus Whaley and Nancy Lake Anyway, if Elizabeth Caldwell were 20 years old, or in that area when she married in 1803, she would be almost 60 in 1840 when James Ratliff was born. The 1860 and 1870 censuses in Quitman Co AL show an Elizabeth/Lizzie as mother of James R. and again in 1880 in Dale Co AL she was also in his household. Her ages on the three census records were 60, 70 and 80--40 years older than her son.. So she would have been born approximately 1800. That indicates that she was *not* the Elizabeth Caldwell who married Edward Whaley. That Elizabeth would have been b prior to 1800--probably in the 1790s. I have found no further record of Edward and Elizabeth Caldwell in GA or AL records. James Ratliff died in 1924 and would have been over 80 years old. I strongly suggest that you send for his death certificate and obituary. The address for the death certificate would be: Bureau of Vital Statistics Department of Public Health Montgomery, AL 36130 (They have death certificates from 1908 and up for the state of AL.) You perhaps could get an obituary by writing to: Public Library Ozark, AL 36360 Ask if they have a collection of old newspapers and if not, ask what other source they could recommend. Or maybe you could get an obituary if you would write to: AL Archives and History Dept. World War Memorial Building Montgomery, AL 36104 I would like to know what you find out, and when you determine his parents, maybe my records will enable you to go back further. Jackie

I was looking thru the nara/gov site.Did a search on Whaley's. I came a cross the name Alice D. Whaley. Could this be the same Alice D. I have that was married to John Lewis Whaley. Here is what is for Alice D. Whaley: 1896 Citizenship Application for Alice D. Whaley Bureau of Indian Affairs. Muskogee Area Office Tribe: Cherokee Should I send off for the information on this? And will it tell me who she was married to and who her parents where? Donald

Hi, My name is Jim Martin and I am descended from Theophilus (Robert?) Whaley through his daughter Martha Whaley marr. Joseph Hopkins. For the Lewises I see on the WSP, I'm descended from two of Francis Hopkins children; Hannah Hopkins and Gar(d)ner Hopkins. I look forward to being a part of the Whaley Search Party and hope I can contribute something. Jim Martin Houston, TX [email protected]

Last year,I mentioned I had a picture of a Hazel Whaley.Well,I was looking in my grandmothers address book,I found a L.L. (Hazel) Jackson,in Longview, Texas.Do belive I heard my grandmother tell me that Hazel Whaley married a L.L. Jackson. So I guess my next step is to look around that area and see what I find. Donald

I finished the Microfilm this morning.Guess I'll have to keep looking. And when I get more money I'll order another film.But I did find 2 more Whaley's.Don't know if they belong in my family or not. The film ran out. Here are the names: Tilman Whaley-page 582 marriage index Jackson County Arkansas 1907-1912 Albert Whaley-page 589 marriage index Jackson County Arkansas 1907-1912 Donald

This is my first posting on the Whaley-L site. Below is my line. Could someone please offer additions, corrections and comments to this information? Thanks, Jim Martin [email protected] Direct Descendants of Theophilus Whaley 1 Theophilus Whaley b: 1617 in England d: Abt. 1720 in West Greenwich, RI +Elizabeth Mills b: 1645 in Virginia d: 1715 2 Martha Whaley b: 1669 in MA d: 1773 in W. Greenwich, RI +Joseph Hopkins b: March 8, 1667/68 in Roxbury, Suffolk, MA d: May 15, 1735 in E. Greenwich, Kent Cty., RI 3 Francis Hopkins b: 1720 in E. Greenwich, Rhode Island d: 1778 in Washington Cty., VA +Mary/Mercy Joslin b: February 2, 1720/21 in East Greenwich, Kent Co, RI d: in Morgan Co, KY I descend through two of Francis Hopkins/Mercy Joslin's children: 4 Gardner Hopkins b: July 16, 1750 in East Greenwich, Kent Co, RI d: June 4, 1832 in Morgan Co, KY +Mary "Polly" Chambers b: Abt. 1752 4 Hannah Hopkins b: March 13, 1766 in Orange Co, NY d: August 15, 1852 in Morgan Co KY +Thomas Lewis b: May 3, 1755 in Washington Cty., VA d: August 9, 1849 in Morgan Co, KY

George you said oldest ansestors I am intrested in. they are Edward Whaley b 1803 Wife Elizebeth Coldwell b1802 looking for the siblings of James Ratlif Whaley b June 15 1840 he is the son of Elizebeth Coldwell Whaley Thanks Gene __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com

Dear Whaley Family, I'm looking for ancestors of Earl Whaley who died at a young age in a motorcycle accident. He left his widow Ruth (Blakely) & 3 children, Earl, Jeannie & Robert (my dad). His death took place in Fresno, California. I don't have much more information than that. If any of these names sound familiar, please e-mail me. Thank you. Shari (Whaley) Fanciullo

ON HOLD--It seems strange not to be able to pick up the phone and have a long conversation with Jackie. At least our long distance calls will be lower this month. Her company is leaving Sat., and then we will be back in business. JOHN CALHOUN and AMANDA CANADY--I don't know why I want to call him John Sinclair. I did it twice and that's not good. But the rest is going OK. Deb seems to be making some progress. JAMES RATLIFF AND TABITHA AVERY-Gene Hardy Whaley lost his material when lightning came through the telephone wire into his computer, so he is starting over. Is there anyone out there from Dale Co AL that remembers the James Ratliff family--Children: Julia, James W, Joseph Thomas, Lizzie, Malcolm/Mike, Mattie and Henry Melton? Gene wants parents and siblings for James Ratliff--I think there should be a death certificate or obituary because his death was in 1928. Can anyone help? JOHN and MARY AIRHEART--I think maybe we have the lines for Joy and Nita in good order now--we ended up with 10 of those TEXANS. I think we probably had 10 different editions for each of them. ANGELA WHALEY is working on a web showing her husband's line back to Richard Whaley and Frances Cromwell. She, like several others, is waiting for someone to discover the missing Whaley--son of Henry, and father of James. Otherwise her husband's line is a long one. GEORGE WHALEY- I have 40 *G Whaleys* on disk and 37 of them are named GEORGE. I am now in the H group where Hannah and Henry are showing up in vast numbers. Our total now is 650 Families on disk. Jackie has good hard copy for each and can easily have them copied onto acid free paper for preservation for the future, but the trouble is that these FGSs are constantly going through revisions as new material comes in, and once in a while we find a mistake ---ask Angela. DAVID ALEX- Santana--I will try to get an opinion for you this weekend.

I have a Question.I was looking at David Alex Whaley's Death Certificate again(which I have).It states that he was Widowed at time of his death. Does this mean he could of been married 5 times instead of 4 times?Here is what I have.He died in 1967,and Veronica Glass didn't die until 1976.Any clues on how to go about finding out?Execpt for keep looking at the marriage Index's?I'll keep looking until I find out. 1.David Alex married Victoria Dunn 23 Dec,1894-Jackson Co,Arkansas(source:Jackie Weeden) 2.David Alex Whaley Married ____??____(source:Jackie Weeden) (Still Looking) 3.David Alex Whaley married Eliza McLaughlin 25 Nov 1909-Jackson Co,Arkansas 4.David Alex Whaley married Veronica Glass??(still looking) Donald

Thank you ladies so much for your research. In answer to your questions: 1. I do not know if Edward P. and William F. were twins. 2. Yes, Lillie Whaley Drake is Lillie Frances. She married Samuel Bartley Drake. 3. Lula Whaley Hamilton is the daughter of John C. & Amanda. The letter from Lillie also states that John C. was born October 19, 1834 in Greenwood, South Carolina. Thank you both, again. I'll keep searching, and actually, I do have a theory, now. I'll let you know if it pans out! Deborah Whaley Weatherford, TX

I know it's been over a year,since I started looking David Alex Whaley. I'm finally getting around to following up on him.I've been working on other parts of the family. I got ahold of the marriage index for Jackson Co,Arkansas.I sent off for the 1846-1923 marriage index,but they sent the 1907-1915 marriage index instead.So I'm looking at it.I got to 1911,and stopped.Due to the time.So I'll finish up on Saturday,I hope. Here is what I found. D.A. Whaley of Kenyn(was hard to read) in the County of Jackson and State of Arkansas age 36. Miss Eliza McLaughlin of Kenyn(was hard to read)in the County of Jackson and State of Arkansas age 32 Married on the 25 of November 1909. On the Family group Sheet you sent me last year,you have Elna or Eliza down as his 3rd marriage.I'm hoping to find Veronica Glass on Saturday as his 4th marriage.If not I'll have to get more marriage index's for past 1915 and after 1894, to find out who he was married to the 2nd time. I also found his first marriage to Victoria Dunn in 1894,on microfich not the 8mm film. I'll post more as I find it. Donald

Dear Deb and George--(Thanks George for the input.) I see that the only thing to do with son # 6. Edward P. is give him both the birthdates and make a note that there may have been two sons by that name. Also credit should be given to the descendant who gave that data. But we still have a problem with child # 7 William F. If Edward P. were b. 11- -1879 as the 1880 census shows, then how could # 7 William F. be b 3- -1880 (1900 census)? There is not enough time between these two births. Was William F. a twin to Edward P.?? We will have to have double entries here and there on this FGS until we can resolve any differences. Such as: Canady/Cannady Jordan/Jerdan # 2. Lewis William/William Lewis Those early Whaleys kept changing their names--they sometimes used their middle name and also reversed the order sometimes on the census records. I have the marriage data for Lula Elizabeth, and death date and info for Oliver/Ollie J. inserted. I assume that Lillie Whaley Drake was the child #10 Lillie Frances. OK? Jackie is on *emergency only* mode this week. However, I can send e-mail to her by way of a friend in Beloit. That helped with Angela Whaley's new web material which Jackie was to study. Ruby

Ruby, Deb, We need to remember that there could have been more than one child in the family named Edward P. If the first was born in 1879 and died before 1887, it is very possible there could have been a second child named Edward P. who was born and died in 1887. George [email protected] wrote: > > Deb, etal-- > I see your messages on WSP, and assume that you are talking to > Jackie Weeden and me. Next time could you put--"To Jackie Weeden" > at the top so I don't miss your message?? > I was going to send you the second edition of John Sinclair's family > group sheet, but now see that I have more corrections to make. > I tried to discuss your message with Jackie this morning, but she has > a houseful of company--she will call back this evening. > The only problem I can see is the birth and death date for Edward P., > their son. The 1880 census shows him as age 6 months and born > in Nov. So his birthdate should then be 11-1879. If he had been born > and died in 1887, he would not be listed in 1880. > Is Lula Whaley Hamilton the dau of John S. and Amanda? > Do you know Amanda's middle name? She is called "Maude" > or "Mandy" on one census. It was hard to read that entry. Ruby

Deb, etal-- I see your messages on WSP, and assume that you are talking to Jackie Weeden and me. Next time could you put--"To Jackie Weeden" at the top so I don't miss your message?? I was going to send you the second edition of John Sinclair's family group sheet, but now see that I have more corrections to make. I tried to discuss your message with Jackie this morning, but she has a houseful of company--she will call back this evening. The only problem I can see is the birth and death date for Edward P., their son. The 1880 census shows him as age 6 months and born in Nov. So his birthdate should then be 11-1879. If he had been born and died in 1887, he would not be listed in 1880. Is Lula Whaley Hamilton the dau of John S. and Amanda? Do you know Amanda's middle name? She is called "Maude" or "Mandy" on one census. It was hard to read that entry. Ruby

In reply to your request dated Sept. 6: Robert Hamilton married Lula Elizabeth Whaley. William Lewis is actually Lewis Williams. (His son Carl, living, insists that his grandmother's maiden name was Jerdan, not Jordan). Ollie was shot to death in January 29, 1912. He somehow got in the way of two other men in a gunfight on the streets of Dallas. He was carrying a bible. Edward P. was born June 25, 1887 and lived 8 mos. All of this came from a letter dated 8/29/54 from Lula Whaley Hamilton, and verified by Lillie Whaley Drake on 8/23/68. ( I recently received this.) Um, since John's death certificate does not list his parents, and there is no obit in the paper from that time, do you have any other ideas as to where to look for his parents? I'll try the 1860 census in Texas, next, since he enlisted in the CSA in Dallas in 1863. There are 2 listings in the 1860 South Carolina Slave Schedule for a John C. Whaley, but none for this John personally. Is that possible? Also, I found a John C. Calhoun Whaley in the 1840(?, I can't find it right now) SC census, but he appears to be too young. Once you get past what is known, how do you tie a person to his name? Thanks so much for your excellent help! Deborah Whaley Weatherford, TX

Robert-- I think I need to clarify what we mean by the article re the ' 6 men named Theophilus.' This is a 2 page article by Weeden and the title is: "Men by the name of Theophilus Whaley with early RI Connections". It gives data re 6 men by that name--documented. As usual, she gives some thoughts to consider that might help prove the parentage of some of them. Besides the two page article we have FGSs for these men: Theophilus and Elizabeth Mills Theophilus and Mary Burdick Theophilus and Mary Kilbourn Theophilus and Susanna Tripp We also have an article re Theophilus' dau Joane. The FGS for Theophilus and Tripp has recently undergone a MAJOR overhaul as some new and different material came in from some descendants. If you want this 2 page article or any of those FGSs, let me know. Ruby

Good Evening, I just joined the Whaley list in hopes of finding more information about the Whaley name and our ggggrandfather, Prosser Whaley who was born 9 Oct 1812 in New York. He married Jane E. Conklin born 24 July 1818 in Niagara county in the state of New York. I first find Prosser on the 1840 census in Oneida county, NY in the town of Vienna. Prosser and Jane had these children: Archer L. Whaley born Sept 1835 in Oneida county; Charlotte Louisa Whaley born 17 Apr 1837 in Syracuse, NY; Jennette Whaley born in Upper Canada ca 1839; Adeline Julia Whaley born 9 Apr 1843 in NY and Mary Jane Whaley born ca 1845 in Greene county, WI. I would like to find Prosser's parents. I believe Prosser to be a brother to David, Jeremiah P., Damon, and Archa Whaley from the Oneida/Oswego counties in NY. They all end up in Allamakee county, IA in the 1850's. Thank you George for the welcome and adding Prosser to your list. Kindest regards, Karen

Ruby- I did see the note about the six Theos. I would like to get copies if the FGS if it isn't too much trouble. Thanks I am especially interested in William Weale and his 1646 will in Massachusetts. The timing of his will and possible death could correspond to a father or perhaps brother of our Virginia Theo. Much more to be investigated. Is there anything to be gleaned from Massachusetts records of the period? The abstract of the will in the NE Register offers nothing. Robert Whaley Rochester, NY

Dear Robert, etal-- Your messages have been delivered to Jackie. No, she has never seen Whaley spelled that way. That makes 50 different ways, I think! <G> She will be glad to check that spelling in the Immigration Index book she discovered in the Madison Library when she returns there, but she hasn't plans for another trip there in the immediate future. P.S. from Ruby-- If you found Theophilus WEALE in VA and England both, it would seem that maybe he really WAS a Theophilus, and the name was not an alias for Robert, as some seem to think. You are doing some good research--keep it up. Did you see her paper re the 6 men named Theophilus??? If you want a copy, let me know.