HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL MY FELLOW WHALEYS.

Hello, I am Elizabeth Grayson Brett...a descendant of Whaleys. I had heard that my Whaleys had come in through VA in the late 1600's or early 1700's and may have had a home in Maryland called Genesar. I have photos of Genesar in an old book...but don't know that it was a home of MY Whaleys. They may have moved to Tennnessee at some point as I had heard that rumor My oldest Whaley line may not be accurate as some of our family history was hidden and the family bible from that branch was burned. The oldest Whaley I have is (maybe) Ely Whaley , born in England (big maybe?) died in Walton Co., GA 1840 His son is listed as James D. Whaley b. 1808 in Walton Co. GA, d. 1888 Texas. married to Rachel Authur b. 1810 in Clark Co. GA, d. 1869 Polk Co. GA (source his elderly son) James's son or grandson is(maybe) : James Russell Whaley (Capt. 5th GA CSA) b. March 1, 1830 m. Oct. 7, 1855 to Emily Bell in Escambia Co. FL (source Emily's granddaughter's husband-my grandfather) James Russell Whaley's father is listed as Caleb Whaley whose brother is (maybe) Sidney Russell Whaley (Col. GA reg. CSA)(source my Grandfather) Needless to say...I'm a little confused Researching: Whaley, Wellborn, Bell, Little, King, Aurthur, Grayson, Casteel, loooking for various ancestries and possible Native American ancestry.

My name is Deborah Whaley Handshew I live in Harrisburg, PA . I found this web ring over the summer, but didn't have my family information to share. I am trying to find out if the research my father did is correct. The oldest relative we have proof of is Thomas Whaley, Sr. 1756-1847 md Eunice Hubbard, Providence, RI. Son Thomas Whaley, JR (1782-1846) md Lydia Kent lived near Linesville, PA. They had 8 children, Henry, Nancy, Althea May, William, Eunice, Lydia, Rachael, and Jeremiah. Henry (1805-1877) md Hannah Mosier. They had 6 children Chauncey, Josiah, Hiram, Lucinda, Levi, and Almira. Josiah ( Cy) (1837-1915) md Mahala Ladner (1815-1854) they had two children Elrie (1863-1938) and Alvira ( 1865- 1939). Josiah left PA around 1868 and moved to Illinois where he married again to Susan Frances Bean and had two more children, Neva Marie (1872 -1977) and Marshall Henry. Elrie (1863-1937) Linesville, PA married Valania Carnes in 1896. They had eleven children. Neva, Carl, Merle, Cy, Elmer, May, Clair, Edna, Rhea, Helen, and Guy Thomas. Guy Thomas (1899-1976) married Allice Catherine Bowen (1903-1986) Conneaut Ohio they later moved to Queens Junction,PA they had one son who is my grandfather Paul Whaley (1932- ) md Betty Sweeney (1925-1996). They had two children John Thomas ( 1947 -) and Cathie Aleene (1948- ) John Thomas married Dianna Watson (1947) in 1968. I was born in 1970. I hope all this information is helpful to people researching the Whaley famiy. If anyone one thinks some of the info is not really right please let me know. Most of the info came from Neva Whaley Harding from family records in 1955. I am interesting in learning more about the family. - Deborah Whaley Handshew [email protected]

Hi, Thought I'd write to include my Whalen ancestors to your list. Patrick Whalen (M Mary Bournes) both from Ireland, son James Whalen B Dec 1841, Ireland, immigrated to US 1863, D 18 June 1914, Bay City Mi. James (m Delia Bridget Ryan in Bay City) her parents were: James Ryan & Ellen Costello of Ireland. My ref. 1900 census,cemetery records, death records, & St John's Catholic Church in Essexville, Mi. James Whalen James Whalen's children were: John E. born 1872, & Bernice Glenadine John E. whalen B 1872, Ypsilanti, Washtenau Co. Mi. John E Whalen (M Bessie N. Campau 13 Jan 1900, Essexville, Mi.) Spouse parents: Hyacinth E Campau & Mary Campbell. John and Bessie children were: Anna Esabelle B 1900, James B 1902, Mary B 1903, Miriam Bessie B 1904, and Bernice Marie B 1905. References, 1900 census, I marriage record Essexville, Mi. Bernice M Whalen born 1905, birth record, (M Guy H Kantner June 1923) of Barry Co. Mi. Guy Kantner parents: Levi K Kantner & Mary Magdeline Holsapple. Children are: Jean E Kantner, Wellfare, & Marvin D Kantner. Bernice was adopted in 1908, by Frank and Lulu Moxon of Barry County Mi. references: Birth, Baptism, at St. Johns Catholic Church, Essexville, Mi. & death records. Ella Katherine Kantner

>From Jackie Weeden to Timothy Lawrence, etal. "I noticed your entry re Alexander and Ruth McAnally in Digest 240. I have Family Group Sheets (FGS) on both that family and their son James who married Rebecca Nobles. However some of my dates do not correspond with yours. In her pension application for Alexander his wife Ruth says he died in the fall of 1850 and apparently he died in Poinsett Co AR. It seems he left Ruth and started another family with Margaret Hays in AR. I also have a FGS for them. I have a couple more kids for James and Rebecca, also. Maybe someone else has already contacted you, but if you want copies of these FGSs we can send them to you by attachment. I would like to exchange information with you." RLNSD @aol.com

Hello WSPers A number of Whaleys in this 1830 census of Washington co. Missouri, among them James, John and William "Wailley" ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/mo/washington/census/1830 fyi Sue J.

Still seeking the illusive (and possibly illusory) Wyamarus Whalley, standard bearer at the battle of Hastings, I looked up another of the references given by the Rev. Samuel Whaley in his book 'English Record of the Whaley family'. This is 'The General Armory of England, Scotland, and Ireland', by John Burke, and John Bernard Burke. I found three editions: the first edition of 1842, the third edition of 1844, and an unnumbered edition of 1884. The first and third editions list 6 Coats of Arms for the name Whaley, and 8 for Whalley. The 1884 edition lists 5 and 12 respectively. For most entries, there is just a technical description of the Arms. But occasionally, some details of the family with a right to bear the Arms are given. In the 1842 and 1844 editions, one such entry is of the the Whalley family of Norton Hall, County Somerset, and Hinton House, Hampshire. It says 'descended from Wyamarus Whalley, who accompanied the Conqueror to England, and was standard bearer at the battle of Hastings'. But no evidence is adduced to substantiate the claim. This is the same family I reported in my previous note, which I found in 'A General and Heraldic History of Commoners', by - guess who! - the very same John Burke who was one of the authors of the 'General Armory'. His co-author John Bernard Burke, also wrote 'Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry', and I looked at the edition for 1853. In it is the same Whalley family, and the same unsubstantiated claim to be descended from Wyamarus. So I found a family claiming descent from Wyamarus in 4 scholarly tomes published well over 100 years ago. The story must be true then? When I find all four are by the same pair of authors, who worked together, then the argument loses a lot of its power. And significantly, in the 5th tome, the 'General Armory' published in 1884, the entry for the particular Whalley family is much the same as in the previous editions, except all reference to a claim of descent from Wyamarus has been dropped. I've not got much further forward, but I'm not discouraged. The search continues. Any ideas would be appreciated. Frank Whalley

Jackie Weeden has prepared a paper showing EVERY activity concerning Nathaniel or Nathan Wale or Whaley in early MD and DE. IF you are interested, let me know and I can send it by attachment. FRANK WHALLEY of UK--I seem to remember that you suggested a change on the FGS for Edward Whalley the Regicide. If I am right, would you please repeat it? To WSP members--if you are bored with the messages on WSP, relief is spelled D E L E T E. We have 700 FGSs in the disks and are still counting. The end of the L Whaleys and the beginning of the M Whaleys is now being worked on. GLENDA RYAN--send me your PO address so I can get the Family Group Sheets to you. We have John and Mary Airheart and Thomas F. and Mary Ann Howell, but no further down. Can you share the data you have on Thomas Henry and Nancy Ellen Lucas?? [email protected]

My name is Tammy Ginger-Riquleme and, along with my sister-in-law, I am attempting to trace our family roots on the Whaley side. My mother (deceased) had some information, but it isn't available to us any more. She was a Whaley, born 7 Feb 1939, Wheaton, MN, died 18 March 1990. Her Mother, Alvera Metilda Klindworth Whaley, born 15 June 1918, is still living, but has little information about the Whaley side of the family. She married Arthur George Whaley, born 15 July 1913, in 1935. All we know about his parents are that his father's name was Earl and was married (?) in Ireland or Holland. We have accounted for three siblings, all brothers, Irvin, James, Edwin. We also know that at some point, the family moved to Galesburg, Illinois, where the biggest part of my Mother's family still lives. Thank you for any help you might be able to give us and for the opportunity to join in...*S* Sincerely, Tammy

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1544A7B70BA142D9517E37D8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I made a request for info on Edward Whaley and wife Sally Whaley and this is the info I got from a nice lady who I contacted thru Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness. I don't know if Jackie has this info but I thought I would contribute it to her archives if she doesn't. Leslie Quist --------------1544A7B70BA142D9517E37D8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mail1.voyager.net ([209.153.128.76]) by intrepid.ewa.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id WZGSXV17; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 03:35:13 -0800 Received: from voyager.net (as8-8.strg.mi.net-link.net [207.89.168.201]) by mail1.voyager.net (8.9.1/Voyager-MailX) with ESMTP id GAA24723 for <[email protected]>; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:44:15 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <[email protected]> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:42:50 -0500 From: Judy Hudson <[email protected]> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Leslie Quist <[email protected]> Subject: Re: Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness...Help? References: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Leslie, I finally got to the Dutton Cemetery to take pictures of the stones. Unfortunately, Susan's stone was broken into three pieces and Edward's stone had been reset with the lower portion (with the year) below ground. My husband held Susan's stone so I could photograph it (they can be so helpful on these jaunts). It may be a couple of weeks before I finish this roll of film & get it developed. Although with six grand kids & a cat that thinks he's a contortionist, it might be sooner! The St. Jose Genies (the genealogical group from White Pigeon) has stared an index of the St. Joseph County cemeteries. So far they are down to the M's (I think). Anyway, I went to the Sturgis library & checked the Dutton listing. This is what I found: Sec. Row Stone Edward Whaley d. 08/12/1841 N 5 17 Sally Whaley w/ Edward d. 10/15/1841 N 5 16 There were several other Whaley stones, including one for a Thankfull P. Whaley w/o Henry H. Whaley (buried next to E & S). The really odd coincidence is, that I just did a lookup for a gentleman who was interested in the Fisher family & his Thankfull Fisher was married the Henry Whaley (the same). Small world! If you would like the rest of the Whaleys listed in the index, let me know - I go the library frequently. Judy Leslie Quist wrote: > > Dear Ms. Hudson, > Would it be possible for you to take two pictures of graves in Dutton > Cemetery? > I have Edward Whaley and his wife Sally who are said to be buried > there. He died in the 1830s sometime. She died in 1841. I hope they > are buried together. It will be easier to find them if they are. If you > need more info, I can get you some. What I really need to find out is > where Edward was born, but you aren't signed up for that and all I > really want is pictures of their tombstones. Please? > Leslie Quist > Yakima, WA -- Judy Hudson GENEALOGY: The 'Real Theory Of Relativity'. Sturgis, Mi. mailto:[email protected] web page http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/u/d/Judith-L-Hudson/ --------------1544A7B70BA142D9517E37D8--

These are some more snipits of these two names that I ran across in Civil and Commonwealth Order Books for Bath County 1816-1819 LDS film # 1490622 Page 439 March Term 1819 9 days Vincent WHALEY Pet Against Thomas D. Owings ........continued ---------- page 242 March Term 1819 John Staley (?) Peff Against Richard L.. WHEALLY def........continued William P. RAMEY Peff Against John McGinnis Def On the motion of the plaintiff It is ordered that this cause be continued until the next term and the Depts _ ?____ of the _?___ there cost __?___ by said continuance. James T. Durall by the CWealth Peff Against Sanford L.. RAYEY __?____ Dept continued ----------------- page 238 March Term 1818 Vincent WHALEY Deff Against Thomas Dye Owings Defet This day came the deff by his attorney and the Defet being called came not therefore it is concidered by this court that the plaintiff recovers of the Defet the Sum of Eighty dollars the _?__ in the petition mentioned with interest thereon out. The rate of 6 per cent per annumin from the 25th day of December 1815 until paid and also his cost by him _?__ his suit in this B__off Enpen__ & Depet __ ____ __. -------------------- page 48 James T. Durnle (Durall?) Plt Against Sanford L. RAMEY Defendant The plffs in the above cases having heretofore filed their delaraations in the clerks office they are now ordered to be noted on the record and the Cause is Continued and alias (?) is awarded.

I have a document that I found while researching another surname in Bath county on one Vincent Whaley. If he belongs to any one I will be happy to scan and send. Thanks, Jeannie <><

Concerning the Smoky Mtn. Family Album with over 1,000 photos of the Whaleys, I was able to purchase my copy in Gatlingburg on the Parkway at a book store as you leave Gatlingburg going toward Pigeon Forge. The bookstore is on the right. My copy was autographed by the author and I believe I paid $35.00 for it. It was my understanding that they were printed at a small college between Gatlingburg and Knoxville on Hwy 411 I think. Hope this helps. Tom Whaley [email protected] Marietta, Ga.

My apologies--I was trying to straighten out the double columns in this FGS when the good ol' puter sent the whole thing out ahead of time. If you want me to attach it to you, I will. I ALWAYS have trouble getting the columns to hold in e-mail. Attachments work much better. Anyway, the 10 children are there if you can figure it out. RLNSD

FAMILY GROUP SHEET Greenbriar Co VA, Washington, Adams and Jackson Co OH GEORGE WHALEY MARY KATHERINE ___ b c. 1731 (pension record) b c. 1755 (pension record) m m d 7-4-1822 (Court of Common Pleas) d 10-4-1826 (Court of Common Pleas) Jackson Co OH Adams Co OH bur Whaley Cem, Liberty twp., bur Jackson Co OH Father: Father: b b d d Mother: Mother: b d b d George served in the Rev. War; pension #S40679; enlisted at Lewisburg, Greenbriar Co VA (now WV.) CHILDREN: 1. JOHN (War of 1812-OH) (FGS)* 6. SILAS (FGS) b bet 1770 and 1780 b 9-14-1793 OH m Catherine Hughes 5-7-1807 m Susannah Halterman Adams Co OH 4-18-1818 Scioto Co OH d Sept. 1846 Jackson Co OH (pension record) d 1862 Jackson Co OH 2. ABNER (War of 1812-OH) (FGS) 7. ELIZABETH/BETSY* b 2-14-1783 VA b m Elizabeth Bonecutter 11-20-1814 Scioto Co OH m Martin Bonecutter 1-5-1810 Adams Co OH d 9-6-1866 Jackson Co OH d bur Glassburn-Whaley Cem, Jackson Co OH 3. SARAH* 8. JOSEPH (FGS) b b 4-10-1796 Adams Co OH m William Houseman 1-22-1801 m Elizabeth/Betsy Halterman Adams Co OH 9-17-1823 Adams Co OH d d 4-5-1873 Jackson Co OH 4. GEORGE JR.* 9. MARY b bet 1775 and 1794 b bet 1795 and 1804/c. 1800 OH m ?Anna Shoemaker 3-8-1814 Adams Co OH m (1) Hiram Maddox 5-19-1819 Jackson Co OH or ?Elizabeth _____ (2) ______Shuster d ?bet 1820 and 1830 d 5. WILLIAM (FGS) 10. ROSANN* b c. 1790 VA b bet 1805 and 1810/c. 1805 OH m Lydia Copus 11-3-1808 Adams Co OH m Archibald Leach 4-21-1825 Jackson Co OH d ?bet 1850 and 1860 Adams Co OH d * Indicates THEORY--Only Abner, William, Silas, Joseph and Mary were listed as surviving children as of 10-27-1851. The other children listed are based on strong circumstantial evidence. Notes: In Book G, p. 98, Court of Common Pleas, Jackson Co OH, is an entry regarding George Whaley, Revolutionary War soldier, which is dated 10-27-1851 and indicates that his surviving children as of then were Silas Whaley, Joseph Whaley, William Whaley, Abner Whaley and Mary Shuster. Because of the considerable difference in the ages of George and Mary Katherine, there is a possibility that she may have been his second wife. IF that were so, there is no way of determining which of the the listed children were Mary's--at least from the public records found so far. Sources: Census, marriage, death, land and probate records, Court of Common Pleas record, military and pension records. Compiled by Jackie A. Weeden. CENSUS and TAX records for George Whaley-b c. 1731 (pension record); d 7-4-1822 Jackson Co OH (Court of Common Pleas record.) 1783-1786-Greenbriar Co VA-Tax Lists-George Whaley 1800 Washington Co OH, Middletown-George Whale 1806-1810 Adams Co OH, Tiffin, Tax Lists-George Whaley 1820 Jackson Co, Scioto George Whaley, Sr.-1 m 16-26, 1 m 45 and up; 1 f 10-16, 1 f 45 and up.

To all of you Smoky Mt. Descendants if you haven't seen the book called "Smoky Mountain Family Album" compiled by Gladys Trentham Russell you are missing a treat. It has over a 1000 pictures of those that use to live in the park area and their families. It is truly a delight to be able to put a face with some of the names of our ancesters. The book was published in 1984. I don't know if it is still available. But I have an address if anyone is interested. Pat Stubbs

Hi Jackie, Would you mind posting the children/grandchildren of this George and Mary Katherine. I'm still chasing Jeremiah Whaley in N.C. but my mother-in-law's family was from this area in Greenbriar, WV and I've been expecting to hit a connection because of the similarities of names used through the generations. Thanks, Connie Whaley << To Barbara W. Gazzano etal, I read your 'oldest' message. I looked in the index I have for Family Group Sheets I have entered on disk for Weeden. There is one for George and Mary Katherine. Your b and d dates for the two coincide with hers.. He served in the Rev War from Lewisburg, Greenbriar Co VA, now WV. If you are interested in this large family (10 children) I can attach it to you. We would like to see what you have. We have no parents for either George and MK. Do you? rlnsd for Jackie Weeden >>

To Barbara W. Gazzano etal, I read your 'oldest' message. I looked in the index I have for Family Group Sheets I have entered on disk for Weeden. There is one for George and Mary Katherine. Your b and d dates for the two coincide with hers.. He served in the Rev War from Lewisburg, Greenbriar Co VA, now WV. If you are interested in this large family (10 children) I can attach it to you. We would like to see what you have. We have no parents for either George and MK. Do you? rlnsd for Jackie Weeden

-----Original Message----- From: Darrell Warner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, November 11, 1999 9:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [KYBATH] Obituary, Lucy Harper Whaley, 9-29-1938 Lucy Harper Whaley Bath County News-Outlook Thursday, September 29, 1938 Prominent Bethel Woman Succumbs Mrs. Lucy Harper Whaley, 72 years old, passed away at her home near Bethel Saturday morning, September 24, after a brief illness. She had been in declining health for a number of years and had expected to move to Newport, Ky., this fall to make her home with her daughter, Miss Fannie Lee Whaley, who teaches in the Newport city schools. She was a native of Indiana, a daughter of Mathias and Georgia Ann Harper, born January 19, 1856. The greater part of her life had been spent at or near Bethel, where her husband, the late Robert Whaley, who died some thirty years ago, was a prominent and widely known farmer. Besides her daughter, Miss Fannie Lee Whaley, she is survived by one brother, J. T. Harper, of Sunrise, Ky., and one sister, Mrs. Ida Vice, Owingsville, and two half-sisters, Misses Berta and Grace Harper, of Cincinnati. Funeral services were held at the Bethel Christian church Sunday afternoon, September 25, conducted by the Rev. H. Myron Kauffman. Interment was in Longview Cemetery at Bethel. See my entire Family Tree at http://www.qni.com/~dw/surnames.htm See the Death Certificates Page at http://members.xoom.com/warnertree/deathpage.htm Most everyone there has Kentucky connections. Warner Graveyard located in rural Owingsville, Bath County, Kentucky poSted at http://members.xoom.com/warnertree/wargrave.html Inventory, Sale Bill, Slave and Land Division from the Estate of Jacob Warner posted at http://members.xoom.com/warnertree/estate.htm

I found a reference to Wyamarus in a book listed as a source by Rev. Samuel Whaley in his book 'English Record of the Whaley Family etc'. The book, which I found in Cardiff Public Library, is: John Burke, 'A General & Heraldic History of Commoners of Great Britain & Ireland enjoying Territorial Possessions or High Official Rank, But Uninvested with Heritable Honours' 4 Volumes. Pub: Henry Colburn 1838. ISBN (and DYNISC) 449346. (Didn't they just love long titles back then?) I also found an index volume, published at a later time, and so I am pretty certain there is only one entry for Whalley, and none for Whaley, Walley, or any other variation of spelling. Rev. Sam. says the book spells the name 'Whaley', but he's mistaken. The entry concerns the family of Hyde-Salmon Whalley of Norton Hall, Somersetshire, and Hinton House, Hants. Somerset is in the south west of England, and Norton Hall should not be confused with the village of Norton, in the county of Leicestershire, in the English Midlands, which also has a Whalley family associated with it. Hants. is short for Hampshire, a county in the south of England, wherein lies the port of Southampton. Rev. Sam keeps calling it 'Hauts'. Here is the part of the entry concerning Wyamarus: 'The family of Whalley in Somerset claims to be descended from Wyamarus Whalley, who accompanied WILLIAM the Conqueror from Normandy, and was the standard bearer at the battle of Hastings. The Conqueror gave him the Lordship of Whalley in the county of Lancaster, in which shire as well as in the counties of Stafford, and Nottingham, his descendants possessed extensive property.' The family described in the entry is the same as in Rev. Sam's book, page 38 to 42, which, he implies, he got from a record in the College of Heraldry. Hyde-Salmon Whalley inherited Norton Hall from his great uncle James Tooker, and it seems that in order to get the estate, he had to change his name to Tooker. Rev. Sam says that it was at the time of the name change that an heraldic record was made to show descent from Wyamarus. For this information he refers to Rev. Mark Noble's book 'Memoirs of the Protectoral House of Cromwell'. This is simply untrue: Noble makes no reference to Wyamarus. Rev. Sam even spells Noble's name wrongly! Furthermore, Hyde-Salmon Whalley was born in 1790, which was after Noble's book was published! Another disappointment: Before listing the family lineage, down from the year 1601, Rev. Sam says (p38), 'The man whose name stands first in the following line of ancestors, was doubtless an acknowledged descendant of Wyamarus Whaley. Hence no further record was necessary'. This must surely must be a mealy-mouthed way of saying that no documentary evidence was produced to show the descent from Wyamarus. So where does all this leave my search for Wyamarus? The Whalley entry in Burke's 'History of Commoners' says only that the family 'claims' to be descended from Wyamarus, and quotes no documentary evidence. Rev. Sam, referring to the same family, also uses the word 'claims', and goes on to say that documentary evidence is not needed because descent from Wyamarus is 'acknowledged'. I still think that the Wyamarus story is likely to be just a load of hooey. But the search continues. Frank Whalley