Hello Beryl the reason I have Guilline on the header is that is the one I "clicked" on to send the message, no other reason. As for dates, I don't have a lot to go on. I just know Helen Sime died in October 1920 aged about 24years. I do not know the year of their marriage either. William Murray died in Nov 1959 I tried to find her grave to read the inscription but with no luck. But met someone there who gave me a place to visit in the next town to us, who could come up with some info on Helen Sime's parents. If I had at least their names, maybe I could make a proper start regards Ann