Hi Susan, I'm still confused! Susan Murray and Peter McNeill got married in Fasnacloich 25 Sep 1883, and duaghter Anna was born there. Right? So who was born in Calderbraes? Was it Susan Murray? If so, she can't be the same Susan Murray that I found in the 1881 census, as she gave her birthplace as Stranraer, Wigtownshire. However there are no Susan Murrays listed as born in Bothwell parish or Uddingston village in the 1881 census. The best way to get to the bottom of the mystery is to get a copy of Susan and Peter's marriage certificate. This could be ordered online from www.scotsorigins.org.uk but it might be easier for your aunt and uncle to go to New Register House in Edinburgh when they are here and get it on the spot. I don't know much about the Scots Origins site as I'm in the lucky position of being able to go in person to New Register House. (I've heard something about having to pay upfront to get 30 pages of index downloads in a 24 hour period, and then if you spot your ancestors, you have to pay extra for a copy of the certificate). This seems a bit steep if you are only interested in one couple and one certificate. When your aunt and uncle are in Scotland, they should go to Edinburgh anyway, if only to see the sights: It's a marvellous, picturesque, historic and lively town, well worth the visit. I'd also be glad to meet them and show them around Uddingston (about half an hour required!), take them to Bothwell Casstle (dates from abt the 13th century and is very impressive) and take them to a pub which existed in your forebears' time as an old coaching inn and is still the best-known pub in the village. Hope this helps, Regards, ken Mathieson, Uddingston, Lanarkshire -----Original Message----- From: Chip & Susan Belyea <rbelyea@shentel.net> To: WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com <WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 18 April 2001 02:32 Subject: Re: info >Dear Ken > >I can't thank you enough for your help.My Uncles and Aunt who are the >children of Anna Murray MACNEILL Kelley and the grandchildren of Susan and >Peter MACNEILL are coming to Scotland in June to see where they came from as >it is their first trip to where their Mom spent the first 16 years of her >life before coming to Pa, USA.. It will be very exciting for them.I >inadvertently confused you and myself! on all the places that I told you. >After speaking with my Uncle and Sister last night this is how the story >goes(I hope).The doucument is the birth certificate of Anna MACNEILL ,the >daughter of Susan and Peter MACNEILL.The reference to Fasnacloich Appin >Argyllshire is where Peter and Susan got married on Sept25,1883.Then the >district of Bothwell and the county of Lanark as well asCalderbraes refer to >the place of birth. Does this make any more sense to you? > >I wonder if I could ask you how I would go about getting a copy of their >marriage certificate and I am assuming that what you found in the 1881 >census must be correct as there were no more people by those names,Correct? >Susan and Peter Macneill also had a son. Alex-born in1887,a daughter Jessie >who did not emmigrate to the USA but died and is buried there in the Glasgow >region ,a daughter Catherine who died at Ellis Island in NYC of tuberculosis >and a daughter Nellie. Jessie has a living son,Bill LEITCH who lives in >Glasgow(somewhere).I can't thank you enough for all your kind help. If there >is anything that I can do for you,please let me know. Sincerely, Susan. I >anxiously await your response. >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken Mathieson <ken@kenmath.free-online.co.uk> >To: WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com ><WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 8:00 PM >Subject: Re: info > > >>Hi Susan, >>>From where I'm sitting I can look out ofmy window and see Calderbraes, >>Uddingston (except it's dark just now!) about 3/4 of a mile away. I'm a bit >>puzzled by the document which you state lists Appin Argyllshire in >Bothwell, >>Lanarkshire. This can't be: They're about 130 miles apart: Appin north of >>Oban and Bothwell east of Glasgow. The place name you can't make out is >>Fasnacloich, which is a very small hamlet in Glen Creran about a mile >inland >>from the head of Loch Creran, which is a loch on the east side of Loch >>Linnhe about 20 miles north of Oban. One of the James Bond movies had its >>opening sequence shot at the narrows of Loch Creran where a helicopter is >>following a car along the lochside road. I know the area very well: It was >a >>favourite camping spot for years.The area is unbelievably beautiful , >>especially towards the end of May when the gorse blooms bright yellow >>against the most vivid green of the new grass and leaves. >> >>A sawyer was simply someone who sawed wood, either in timber felling, or >the >>dressing/cutting of felled timber. >> >>I hope this helps, >> >>regards, >>Ken Mathieson, >>Uddingston, Lanarkshire >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Chip & Susan Belyea <rbelyea@shentel.net> >>To: WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com >><WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: 16 April 2001 23:43 >>Subject: Re: info >> >> >>>Gosh, I think that you have found my ancestors! It seems too easy to be >>true >>>. the relevance ofAppin Argyllshire is that the only Scottish document >that >>>I have is the birth certificate of Anna Murray MACNEILL and it lists Appin >>>Argyllshire in the district of Bothwell in the county of Lanark. It gives >>>the date of Peter and Susans marriage as Sept,1883.There is another word >>>that I can't decipher-Faenaellich or Faenacloich?I do not know what that >>>refers to.The document states that Anna MACNEILL was born in >>>Calderbraes,near Uddingston.It also gives the occupation of Peter >>>as"Sawyer".Do you know what that means? >>> >>>Do you think from this further documentation that these facts fit with >what >>>you have sent me? I really do appreciate your help and knowledge. Susan >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Ken Mathieson <ken@kenmath.free-online.co.uk> >>>To: WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com >>><WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >>>Date: Monday, April 16, 2001 6:14 PM >>>Subject: Re: info >>> >>> >>>>Hi, >>>>What is the relevance of Appin, Argyll? Uddingston lies about 10 mile >east >>>>of Glasgow on the river Clyde in the Parish of Bothwell, while Appin is a >>>>village on the east shore of Loch Linnhe, about 120 mile north west of >>>>Glasgow. I've checked the 1881 census and there was a Susan Murray aged >>21, >>>>born Stranraer, Wigtownshire abt 1860 working as a nurse/domestic servant >>>at >>>>Wingfield, Bothwell in the home of Edmund Bell and his family. There was >>>>also a Peter MacNeill at the Clyde Hotel, Bothwell, son of the owner, >>Janet >>>>McBride. Peter was aged 23, unmarried, occupation Spirit Merchant, born >>>>Sandbank, Argyll (5 miles north of Dunoon on the Holy Loch - part of the >>>>DFirth of Clyde). If this the right man, there is quite a tribe of >>siblings >>>>and step-siblings (Janet McBride had obviously married at least twice). >>Are >>>>these your people? >>>> >>>>Regards, >>>>Ken Mathieson, >>>>Uddingston. Lanarkshire >>>> >>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Chip & Susan Belyea <rbelyea@shentel.net> >>>>To: WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com >>>><WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >>>>Date: 16 April 2001 05:17 >>>>Subject: info >>>> >>>> >>>>>This is my very first attempt to research my family ancestors in the >>>>Uddingston area of Scotland.I am unsure if this is even the correct way >to >>>>use this.I am looking for inf. on Peter MacNeill and Susan Murray who >were >>>>married in 1883, Sept 25th, in the district of Bothwell.(Appen >>>Argyllshire). >>>>> >>>>>I would appreciate any guidance in finding this inf.. They emigrated to >>>the >>>>united States sometime around 1910.If I am using this mode >>>>incorrectly,please advise me. Thank you Rbelyea@shentel.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > >