This is a small clip from the ~"MacKintosh Families of GlenShee and GlenIsla"by Alexander MacKintosh MacKintosh,The Heritage Nairn, Sept. 1916. p.1. The name Mackintosh is usually associated with the leading tribe of the Clan Chattan, which in the main is an Inverness-shire clan; but no doubt there have been and are many bearing the name without any connection either with Inverness-shire or with Clan Chattan. The word "toiseach" equivalent to the charter words " thane," "chamberlain," "seneschal," though primarily meaning a chief or leader, at an early period became attached to the person holding the position of steward or representative of the king or other high authority in a Gaelic-speaking district, probably because such person, in addition to being the collector of rents and the general administrator of the lands under his charge, would be responsible for mobilising and leading the men living on the lands in the event of their being called upon to fight. Thus wherever a toiseach or thane ruled there was always the possibility of his founding a family with the designation of Mac-an-toisich or Mackintosh, and having regard to the number of thanages known to have existed in early times it is somewhat surprising that such families are not more numerous than they are. Cosmo Innes, in his Scotch Legal Antiquities (pp. 80-3), gives two instances of families, in Glentilt and Lochaber respectively, who took their surnames from the office, but neither of whom, as he correctly says, had any connection with the Mackintoshes of Clan Chattan. Skene, in Celtic Scotland (iii. 358), mentions. -J.McComb-S.California-Researching Clan MacKintosh and Clan Chattan-

I am trying to find out more about my maternal grandmother's family line and wondered if some kind listers could help? Her maiden name was GLOAG and I have traced the line back to Andrew GLOAG born 1761. He died on 21st June 1844 at Linstock near Carlisle. A story I have been told is that 'he came down from the hills with the young pretender' but how true that is I don't know. He must have then settled down as he married Agnes GORDON on 2nd September 1793 and they had at least seven children. I've not been able to go back any further nor follow along other GLOAG lines very far. Does anyone have any links to the name or can tell me anything about the origin of the name GLOAG; another stonewall I have come up against. After Scotland the family slowly moved south through Yorkshire, Watford, Wembley and finally Kent where I now live. Any help would be much appreciated. Nick Leppard

Hello Chris, I have a long line of Irwins (Irwine, Irvin, Irvine) from Co. Donegal and Co. Tyrone, Ireland. What do you have on Irvin? Diane Jameson -- ---------- >From: "cwieland" <wielandec@neo.rr.com> >To: WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Magill and Irvin >Date: Apr, 10 2001, Tue, 7:41 AM > > Hi! > > I'm searching for information on the surnames Magill (sometimes spelled > McGill) and Irvin. My Magill ancestors were Scotch-Irish. I'm not sure if > my Irvins were Scotch-Irish. > > Thanks. > Chris >

Hi! I'm searching for information on the surnames Magill (sometimes spelled McGill) and Irvin. My Magill ancestors were Scotch-Irish. I'm not sure if my Irvins were Scotch-Irish. Thanks. Chris

Here are my Mcintosh connections Descendants of PETER McIntosh 1 PETER McIntosh b: 1851 in Arbroath d: in BEFORE 1915 .. +Jane Turner (NEE ADAM) 2 Alexander Adam McIntosh b: 23 May 1890 in Auchterarder ? d: 3 March 1959 ... +Mary Walker b: 1 July 1891 in Auchterarder? m: 6 October 1915 in Auchterarder? d: 24 January 1988 in Montrose 2 Peter McIntosh b: 22 November 1887 in 103 CANAL STREET PERTH I would be grateful if you can see if they fit in with your tree. You asked for suggestions you could try the rootsweb surnames list. Irene M Cunningham -----Original Message----- From: Carol Mcnamara <

Hi, Is there an archive search for this list. If so could I have the address so I can catch up on past messages. Regards Jennifer

Hi, I am new to the list and am researching my 6Xgreat grandfather who appeared in Whitby, England in 1770 for the birth of his son and then disappeared. His name was Nathanial Bruisewater, also spelt Brewswater. Brucewater and a few other variants. If this name seems familiar to anyone could you please let me know. I feel it is scottish but I can find no record of this name anywhere in the world except for our family. He named his son Marshall. Are any of these names Scottish. Desperate. Kind regards Jennifer Any advice would be greatfully received.

Hi Jennifer, Go to http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and type WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND (or any other Rootsweb list name) Happy hunting! Frances

Hi to everyone, I am new to this list and I am researching my 6xgreat grandfather who has a name that I have been unable to trace at all except for his descendants. The furthest back I can get is in Whitby Yorkshire where he had a son. Nathanial BRUCEWATER also spelt BREWSWATER, BRUISEWATER and a few other ways, was a sailor and the only mention of him is the birth of his son Marshall. in 1770. There is no record of a birth or marraige or death of Nathanial in Whitby so it looks like he just popped in and fathered a son and popped back out again. The name sounds Scottish to me and I am hoping that someone on the list can help me, Any suggestions would be greatfully received. I am at a total dead end with the name. Kind regards Jennifer in Australia

Hi Russ: At 08:06 PM 4/8/01 -0500, you wrote: >I have traced "my" McClintocks to Ireland but understand they were in >Scotland prior to 1700. What part of Scotland are the McClintocks from? Checking in the book "The Surnames of Scotland, Their Origin, Meaning, and History" by George F. Black, Ph.D.; (Edinburgh, Scotland: Birlinn Limited, 1996); ISBN: 1 874744 83 1 on p 471 the author wrote: "MACCLINTOCK, Maclintock * * * The Maclintocks belong to Luss * * * and in the district of Lorn around Lochaweside from 1500". Please don't ask me where those locations are as my maps don't go back that far. The author also indicated several variant spellings and shows one other location: "Kenmore, Aberfeldy in 1757". >Also, I descend from the Hunter Clan of Mecklenburg Co. NC (USA)..where >do I start looking for Hunters in Scotland? You might try looking wherever the game is.. <G>. Sorry, couldn't resist that one. Actually, in the same book, on p 370, the author points out that the name was most likely derived from the occupation and as such most of the earliest HUNTERS were not likely to be related. The author wrote: "HUNTER. A surname derived from the chase, * * *". Apparently the name originated around 1125. The author also indicated that the HUNTER line of Hunterston, Ayrshire was apparently the oldest family of that name. There are several variant spellings shown also. >Some researchers place him in Scotland ca 1640 and believe that >he sired a son, Joseph Gaston, b. 1645 in Scotland who emigrated to >Ireland. Any information an any/either of these lines would be greatly >appreciated. Again, in the same book, on p 291 is a short paragraph in which the author states: "GASTON. An old Roxburgshire surname." Apparently the name may have originally been spelled GASTOUN and appeared in the "* * * toun of Lessudden, 1562". Another spelling was GAUSTONE or GAUSTOUNE in Lessuddane, 1608. Also appeared in Melrose in 1650. The author also wrote: "A form of Gascon, 'a native of Gascony,' * * *". Might also want to check on de GASCONIA and de GASTON. Hope the above information proves helpful. Have a great day and a better tomorrow. -- See Ya' -- Clyde "Clyde Lapsley"<CLapsley@worldnet.att.net>

I have traced "my" McClintocks to Ireland but understand they were in Scotland prior to 1700. What part of Scotland are the McClintocks from? Also, I descend from the Hunter Clan of Mecklenburg Co. NC (USA)..where do I start looking for Hunters in Scotland? Lastly, I am also descended from the infamous (?) John "Jean" Gaston, the Huguenot, b. abt 1600 in France.. Some researchers place him in Scotland ca 1640 and believe that he sired a son, Joseph Gaston, b. 1645 in Scotland who emigrated to Ireland. Any information an any/either of these lines would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Russ Perry

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My uncle spelled his name DUNMYER. He was born in Pa. but other than his birthday date and death date that is all the information I have. Lona lona@pdq.net > I am looking for the surname DUNMIRE or a variation thereof (Dunmuir, > Dunmere,etc.) > Samuel DUNMIRE is born about 1832 to a Samuel dunmire,Sr. The search has > been in 1850 from M.D. to W.Va. and Pa > Family tradition has it that this name is Scotch though most Dunmire's > came from Germany originally as Dormeyer's.Have found no connection there. > Sam Jr.'s two wives are both Scotch or Scotch Irish (McGuire and > Carmichael), he lives mostly in Scotch ethnic communities, and his children > are named Wm. Alexander,Samuel Gideon Sarvis, Daniel Edward, Sylvester > BakerClinton, Almeda, Minerva,Laura, Warren and Walter. In using the usual > names sequences there doesn't seem to be any strongly German names. > Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. > Ann > agatha1@flash.net >

I am looking for the surname DUNMIRE or a variation thereof (Dunmuir, Dunmere,etc.) Samuel DUNMIRE is born about 1832 to a Samuel dunmire,Sr. The search has been in 1850 from M.D. to W.Va. and Pa Family tradition has it that this name is Scotch though most Dunmire's came from Germany originally as Dormeyer's.Have found no connection there. Sam Jr.'s two wives are both Scotch or Scotch Irish (McGuire and Carmichael), he lives mostly in Scotch ethnic communities, and his children are named Wm. Alexander,Samuel Gideon Sarvis, Daniel Edward, Sylvester BakerClinton, Almeda, Minerva,Laura, Warren and Walter. In using the usual names sequences there doesn't seem to be any strongly German names. Any help or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Ann agatha1@flash.net

Hello, sorry to reply back to the list, but I have tried without success to unsubscribe. Can somebody send me an email with how I can unsubscribe. Thanks. I'm searching for the Bridges surname who were in Glasgow in 1800's. Thanks for your help. George Bridges' descendant in Texas sfharms@mindspring.com

Hi Joy, Please do not expect to find all Scottish or Irish names to begin with Mac or Mc or M' in many areas those prefixes were dropped and the suffix "son" adopted. Then in many areas even son was dropped. Hence your Adam could very well have at one time have been MacAdams etc, or Adamson or as it is now Adams. But unless you know that your Adams were from Scotland you should not look there. They can be from anywhere in the UK and Ireland. I happen to know that my Allicocks were probably from Scotland, even belonging to the MacDonald clan. But the name originated in England. So first try to find out where your Adams were from, from American records first and then trace back to the UK. Best regards, Richard. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JoyVoss@aol.com> To: <WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: Re: Allicock/Alicock/Ellicock > Are these names all from Scotland, or could ADAMS by from Penn. I am looking > for ancestors there. Henry ADAMS (B 1825) and his son Joseph W. ADAMS (b > 1861) both born in Cambria Co., PA. I would sure like to find their ancestors. > > Joy Voss

Are these names all from Scotland, or could ADAMS by from Penn. I am looking for ancestors there. Henry ADAMS (B 1825) and his son Joseph W. ADAMS (b 1861) both born in Cambria Co., PA. I would sure like to find their ancestors. Joy Voss

Hi Rhonda, Nice of you to write. This is quite an interesting thought. I never saw the name Ailstock but it is quite possibly a variation but a very early. I have traced possible as one of the possible origins of Allicock to AElf (in the old script where the A and E apears joined) and Ail- words. I have also found the speeling to have been influenced by missreading of script and hence miswriting. For example a frequent error was to mistake the the "c" for a "t" especially in medieval times. So instead of Alcocc we got Alcott. For a while too in some scripts, and wwe find this right up to the late 18th C, the "s" was writen like an "f". I wonder if the "s" in Ailstock does not go back to the AElf- roots in the transition from pre-Norman to post-Norman writing in England. So you may be right!! Whatever spurred such a thought? It was highly intuitive and probably right. You must have a very pliable mind when it comes to words or proof that women have better imaginations and facility in the use of words compared to us men. Thanks for the thought. I will have to keep my eyes open for any close association between Ailstock and the other Allicock variations. Best regards. Richard. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rainchild7" <rainchild7@email.msn.com> To: <WGW-SURNAMES-SCOTLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: Re: Allicock/Alicock/Ellicock > Hi > > Have you ever considered this name being Ailstock? Just wondered. > > Sincerely, > > Rhonda Guilliams > Yorktown, VA USA > > Researching: Adams, Ailstock, Firth, Garrett, Guilliams, Gwin, Insley, > Kelley/Kelly, Pate, Underwood, Via/Viers/Viar, Walters & Wood

Hi Have you ever considered this name being Ailstock? Just wondered. Sincerely, Rhonda Guilliams Yorktown, VA USA Researching: Adams, Ailstock, Firth, Garrett, Guilliams, Gwin, Insley, Kelley/Kelly, Pate, Underwood, Via/Viers/Viar, Walters & Wood

Hi Folks, I am looking for any-one who has come across the above names and other similar sounding variations in their family tree research. Thanks.