Greetings to All I am Owen Keith Patrick Walsh Stephens, and am looking for any and all information on the Walshes of County Wexford. I am aware of their defense of the country against Cromwell and subsequent theft of all lands and titles and banishment and diaspora to Canada, USA and Australia. Alas, the insanity which has been spoken of in these pages (as a thread), caused my mother to leave not one whit of data about us. I do know that a Patrick Walsh lived in Rockford, Illinois, US, in the 1800s, had a general store, and that he married a Mary Lynch. That he had three offspring: Maude, Henry and Nora. But I seek prior information. I believe we eneterd through Nova Scotia, Canada. And I realize I have a long long way to go to find the truth. But can anyone please help? I would return the favour to the group as I become more expert at this thing called geneology. Thank you all, and - Cede Miel Falte! Owen (Eoghan)

Hi Folks My ancestors emigrated about this same time. In my case, I have this unproven theory. The Napoleonic War ended about this time and conditions in Ireland were worsening. This also coincided with the large influx to Newfoundland where conditions, at that time, were more favourable. I further suspect that my ancestor may have found in this war and after returning home and seeing the conditions, decided to move. As I say, unpriven at this time. I would welcome any information that researches may have on this subject. Regards John Connors -----Original Message----- From: Martha Guthrie <mothra@erinet.com> To: WEXFORD-L@rootsweb.com <WEXFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: September 28, 1999 1:59 PM Subject: [WEXFORD] Why emigrate from Wexford in 1816? SULLIVAN >Shirley, > >That is about the same time my gg grandfather, Daniel SULLIVAN, emigrated >to Louisiana from Wexford. I've wondered the same thing. > >Martha Hardcastle Guthrie > >At 09:33 AM 9/28/99 -0400, newbolds@home.com wrote: >>Larry, >>Do you have any idea why emigrants would have left Wexford in 1816? Seems >>to late >>for 1798 to have been a factor. My history is sketchy. >>Thanks for the nice web page. > >Martha HARDCASTLE GUTHRIE >"The cheese stands alone" > >You can see my pathetic wobbly first web page at: >http://hometown.aol.com/lofiwoman/myhomepage/index.html > >Coming soon! Martha's "I Used to be a Babe" page! > > >==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >County Wexford on Rootsweb: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/wexford.html > >

Shirley, That is about the same time my gg grandfather, Daniel SULLIVAN, emigrated to Louisiana from Wexford. I've wondered the same thing. Martha Hardcastle Guthrie At 09:33 AM 9/28/99 -0400, newbolds@home.com wrote: >Larry, >Do you have any idea why emigrants would have left Wexford in 1816? Seems >to late >for 1798 to have been a factor. My history is sketchy. >Thanks for the nice web page. Martha HARDCASTLE GUTHRIE "The cheese stands alone" You can see my pathetic wobbly first web page at: http://hometown.aol.com/lofiwoman/myhomepage/index.html Coming soon! Martha's "I Used to be a Babe" page!

--------- Have tried to reply to your request for Breen web page. Believe address was given on Wexford or Tipperary rootsweb sources and that might be faster for you to try. I have your address as<chris@stonemaple.freeserve.co.uk but mail has been returned so thought this might reach you Since I don't have the info immediately at hand you might want to try the Wexford or Tipperary sites first. Sorry, Cathy Rossing ___________________________________________________________________ --------- End forwarded message ---------- ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj.

Larry, Do you have any idea why emigrants would have left Wexford in 1816? Seems to late for 1798 to have been a factor. My history is sketchy. Thanks for the nice web page. Regards, Shirley Newbold newbolds@home.com Larry O'Brien wrote: > > [] Please visit my Web site: The O'Briens of Wexford, Ireland. > It is set more as a research project than the usual family posting. I > suggest same for other counties and other parts of the world. > Your comments please. > Emigrants out of Wexford to Canada tended to come out before or after the > famine (eg. 1850's). Before the famine there was a special trade of > foodstuffs to Newfoundland (ie. the Cdn east coast). Canada in both case > was cheaper than to the US and was often as stepping stone. > > Many left after Cromwells invasion (to Canada, France & US). > Comments appreciated. > > Larry O'Brien from Canada's Capital > lpobrien@intranet.ca > website: http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/malt/309/index.html > > PS.There is a guest book and discussion forum on site as well. > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > County Wexford on Rootsweb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/wexford.html

[] Please visit my Web site: The O'Briens of Wexford, Ireland. It is set more as a research project than the usual family posting. I suggest same for other counties and other parts of the world. Your comments please. Emigrants out of Wexford to Canada tended to come out before or after the famine (eg. 1850's). Before the famine there was a special trade of foodstuffs to Newfoundland (ie. the Cdn east coast). Canada in both case was cheaper than to the US and was often as stepping stone. Many left after Cromwells invasion (to Canada, France & US). Comments appreciated. Larry O'Brien from Canada's Capital lpobrien@intranet.ca website: http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/malt/309/index.html PS.There is a guest book and discussion forum on site as well.

The idea of Dioceses holding on to their records just so's their local heritage centre can make money rises it's ugly head regularly in the newsgroups. People begin to rant and rave and shout and scream at one another when it does so. There are those who believe that it would be possible for 'volunteers' to go to the Irish records, read through them, transcribe them, put them onto CD's and make them nice and easily available to everyone. I would like to put some facts before you all. I would appreciate it if nobody from any newsgroup decided to challenge me though any newsgroup on what I have to say. By challenge I mean be derogatory in any manner or means. To disagree with me, come up with other facts from the literature, discuss what I have to say - yes. I simply set my browser to delete all mail from any people who chose the derogatory and through a newsgroup path. I find that many people jump to conclusions before they have even half read a mail - they don't let what is being said sink in and reply to what they think they see. So, I would ask you to read this twice before discussing it. I guess I am aiming mainly at those who seek Catholic records, but it also applies to records of other Faiths. - -------------------------------------------- The ecclesiastical term Parochia (written in the Greek alphabet) means a collection of many houses or of many tillage's under a pastor who serves them in a religious sense, and which is called the parochial church. During the first four ages of the Christian Church, it does not appear that parishes or their pastors were generally established. However, in the time of the Emperor Constantine, in nearly all the great towns of the Roman Empire churches had been founded, and priests were appointed to govern them. In after times, the erection, the rights, the revenues and the administration of parishes, being matters of discipline were regulated by canon law. Thomassin: 'Discipline de l'Eglise', premiere partie: liv. i., 21-22. - ----------------------------------------------------- Both parishioners and parishes are described as parochi by Horace Satira: Lib. i., v - --------------------------------------------------------- We all see references to parishes - both civil and Ecclesiastical, we all see references to where the Parish records for this place or that place can be found. Few realise that the boundaries of RC parishes do/did not equate to those of Civil parishes, everyone says in the genealogical literature that the COI parish boundaries equate to those of Civil parishes. Everyone will go looking for parish records for that civil parish - maybe not everyone but the majority. There are some who understand the genealogy books, some who can find what they are looking for simply by using Mitchels genealogical Atlas of Ireland which shows the Civil parishes in any county. Those of you who succeed using simply Mitchell and the various listings of Parish records which you see in the literature are the lucky ones. Those of you whose ancestors lived in boundary areas and not within a place which was either a 'Fair town' or a main town or somewhere mentioned say for example in Lewis's Dictionary are the unlucky ones........ Those of you who do not have access to historical sources, who use only an odd genealogical book - you don't really know what to look for. People go to the IrlIreland Atlas - a wonderful site looking for where this place or that place in Ireland is...... and you can't find it.... but your ancestors left Ireland prior to 1851 and I think it is the 1851 census placenames that the IrlAtlas project uses. Place names changed between the various censuses. Spellings changed from time to time also. There is no one volume which brings the synonyms (different names) of any one county together. There is no one volume (not even grenham's latest) which properly explains the parochial system or where records are to be had to anyone. There are no listings of Parochial or church records which actually tell you which townlands are referred to in any parish records. There are no listings which tell you how many churches were actually in an area at any given time. The latest produced by PRONI lists all the records which exist for every church in northern Ireland of every religion, it also lists those records which exist in the 26 counties on microfilm in the RCB library as far as I remember. it is the most detailed and best source of references I have seen to date. Every library should have a copy of it. However, even it does not tell you which townlands were involved....which parishes were united to other parishes and when. For that you have to go back to Lewis - and Lewis was produced in 1837 (?) or thereabouts. Reproduced over the last few years. A mention of a parish - I made a post last night in which I said that I believe that people would mention the Civil parish they originated in - not the religious. Civil was bound into more things. Those of you who have found information that you are looking for in a Catholic parish of a name which your ancestors mentioned - I would bet that the RC parish is also part of a civil parish of the same name. if a statistical analysis was made of answers to this question I think that it would still be civil regardless of how many found differently. Now - sources of information - parish records. if I look at grenhams first edition of his tracing your ancestors I note that at the front of this book he lists and maps RC parishes and the earliest records for any parish; at the back of this book he lists Church of Ireland parish records in the Dublin RCB library. In his next and most recent edition he lists and maps again the Catholic Parishes - but here he details the records held for each 'Church'. The maps have the same parishes listed as per the original volume, the church names have a reference to some other place if it is linked somehow to that parish for example Abbeyleix & Ballyroan in co. Laois is given as one church name but drawn up as the parish of Abbeyleix. Ballyroan is actually a separate town to Abbeyleix. grenham shows that the Ballyragget records are listed under Kilkenny. how many then would know which townlands were linked to this parish? again, dealing with Co. laois because that is the one I am most familiar with: if I look at grenham he lists Rathdowney as an RC parish. Maps it and all. he gives the date for records from Rathdowney - they begin in the late 1700's. But if I go to lewis - he tells me that the Civil parish of Rathdowney is in the RC union or district of Grogan, comprising this and the parishes of Donoughmore, Skeirke, Coolkerry and Rathsaran - and that it has three chapels - located in Rathdowney, Grogan and Killismista. Now - I know that if I go to the irlAtlas it tells me that Grogan is in the parish of Rathsaran and I know that if I go back to grenham he will not list any records for the parishe of Grogan or Rathsaran. I know that there is a Protestant church in Rathsaran....I know that I used to go to mass in a church out in Grogan...I know that on my OS map there is a graveyard shown for Grogan (and for all the walking I've done I can't find it!!). and if I wasn't me, but was one of you who doesn't know htat Rathdowney, Rathsaran, Skeirke, Coolderry and Grogan are all within walking distance of one another - who's going to tell me to go to the records for Rathdowney - that i might find what i am looking for there. Even if I was a protestant - and went into Rathdowney instead of to the church in Rathsaran - who's going to tell me to check out the Rathdowney records? or vice versa. To make an attempt to shut myself up here - what this post is all about is to say to people that First: if parish records were ever transcribed by well meaning volunteers or even people paid to do it - i wouldn't trust them at all. if I look at my original transcriptions of stones in graveyards - the first few months I was at it - and then what I had to do re corrections when I went back....and compare teh amount of correcting I have to do on any graveyard from work I would do today........I laugh. in the beginning i made so many mistakes it is incredible. I've had 'helpers' as well.......and anything they've ever done is laughable as well......other than the work of a 7 year old child who was being so careful it was wonderful. if I look at what i see on the griffiths CD compared to what i would see when I take a look at teh same records from the orignal microfilm - it can be rubbish. Maybe the name might be correct, but so many times it would have you all looking for somewhere you will never find anywhere because of mistakes in placenames. In other words - anyone who ever takes on something like parish records has to be experienced in transcribing records, had to know their geography, how to read the old script, how to be very careful with making sure that they write what is actually there and not what they are guessing at......has to take *time* at what they do. has to know something about phonetics Regularly we all see references from people who have had others read parish records for them and who have been told that the info is not there - and then when they look at these records themselves - they find what they are looking for - because they are *interested * in doing the job properly. There is no solution to the problem of records, there is no way that I can see that they could be transcribed correctly. there is no actual format to records, they began and were taken by religious who were interested in their parishioners before it was decided that it would be a regular thing. there are no markers to show you where you might possibly find records, checking out maps to try and find where the churches were in relation to the townland you are interested in does not really work - not unless you can compare maps from every 50 years or so and work out which ones were built when - then you have to be able to guess which ones were ruins back in the mid 1800's....though Lewis makes mention of these. What I could see as being a possible building towards locations of records is if it could be done through the newsgroups - through the county web pages. Who would organize it - take on responsibility, encourage subscribers to follow through I don't know. If people were to inform a newsgroup of what film they had looked at to try and find someone - once they have a place - and if they find people from that place on that film. if they told the newsgroup what the condition of the film was, easy to read or hard, ink faded, script bad. Gradually a larger picture could be built up of records from any county - forget about dioceses and all those other names of divisions. If the place name was mentioned - the film number - then maybe those who come along in the future would find it easier to track their ancestors, find their information in those registers which they would never have thought to look in. The older divisions, phonetically different placenames could all be linked up in one county page. Jane

Hi I`m searching for information on my family in Ireland particularly county Wexford. My Grandfather was Luke Breen born 20/7/1887 in Polldoon, north of Clongeen, Wexford. Lukes Parents were Michael Breen, a tailor and Mary Breen (nee Cousins) who were married in Clongeen RC Church on 20/6/1884. At the time Michael was a Widower. They lived in Foulkesmill. Michael`s fathers name was Patrick Breen he had died before 1884 and had been a tailor. Mary`s father was Luke Cousins a Labourer. If any of these details are familiar please contact me. Regards Chris Breen

This is something I have been thinking about for a long time....mainly because the whole thing on parishes confuses people so much. Course - by the time I'm finished here now you might all end up more confused than you were to begin with :-( We have parishes of a name, we have townlands of maybe the same name, we have RC parishes and we have Civil parishes - and then we have parishes of the established church (COI) which pretty much stuck with the boundaries of the Civil parish - right? ;-) Now - I'm Irish, born, bred and brought up and still here. Whenever I've been abroad and have been asked where I am from - the first answer is Ireland, then I might be asked where in ireland and I'd say Laois. If I met someone from laois anywhere in the world and they asked where I was from - I'd say Rathdowney. If I met someone from Rathdowney and they asked where I was from - I'd name the street or the townland. Today, we'd never mention a parish - civil or otherwise. Think back to 150 years ago....how did people think then, what did they say when asked where are you from.....would it have been like me and my replies (which are probably along the same lines as any Irish person would give today). People 150 years ago did think of parish.....and they would put that in there after saying Laois.....and before the specific area. *But* would they have been talking Civil parish or Religious parish? I think it would have been Civil. Aha - but Parish records are listed according to Dioceses. Each diocese has a number of counties associated with it. There are RC and COI Dioceses and parishes........and these do not have the same boundaries. To make matters worse, going through the literature I can see that the parish structure was different back then as well. Today, in my home town and even where I live in Dublin - there is one parish - which takes in that town/area. We have one church... Back then - there were parishes yes.....and the RC parishes may not exactly have followed the boundaries of teh COI parishes adn teh COI parishes did not necessarily follow the boundaries of the Civil parishes - because there were UNIONS..... Depending on the numbers of people living in a civil parish or even a townland - the area may have been united with another parish somewere close by. At least I think it probably depended on population - probably whether or not there were enough religious to go round as well. Then, in time these Unions may have broken up and either gained parochial status for themselves or been added to a different Union. Each Union would have had so many chapels or churches. Some of these would have fallen into disrepair.....new churches built maybe in a different part of the civil parish - but still part of the same religious parish. Names changed, phonetics produced what look like absolutely different places...your ancestors say they came from A and you can't find it anywhere - *but* if you really look at the history books - they can tell you about these old names. You can't find your ancestors in the church records which you think they should be in .....but if you look at the history books they might just point you to somewhere else. Theres still hope.........you just have to find it. So I don't know how many years now that I have been 'going on' about geography and about how genealogy to me is more than just names - lists and lists......... and from what I have been reading recently I *know* that the more you can find out about that placename which you have from your ancestors.....the better the chance of you actually finding some clue as to where records just might be if they are there. it's one thing to see a church marked on an OS map of Ireland - even the early ones, and to think that the church is in the correct locality and could it be the parish you are looking for (religious) but if you read history books on the parish you may find out that the particular site you have been eying was actually a ruin in the mid 1800's and that the new church was located in a different townland altogether - and that you had never thought to check the records for that other town because it might be in the wrong county even. Anyway - these are just thoughts. Jane

Looking for Robert FARRELL b. abt 1843 son of John FARRELL and Eliza MOWLTON. I believe his birthplace to be Ferns, Wexford although on his marriage certificate it states Fariance, Wexford. I would be pleased to exchange information with anybody searching these names, Gail Qld, Australia Researching: Cornwall: GEORGE DUNSTAN WOON OLIVE JOHN(S) CREGO TREGIDHO Kent: BURDEN BLUNT London: LA ROCHE PARTRIDGE Yorkshire: WOOFFINDIN FOX SNOWDEN MITCHEL LAMBERT Glasgow,Scotland: SCOTT STEPHEN(S) Wexford,Ireland: FARRELL MOWLTON Mayo,Ireland: DUGGAN CASSIDY Australia: BELBIN BURDEN DUGAN FARRELL GEORGE PARTRIDGE WOOFFINDIN

I've just joined the list with I guess a very limited chance of finding much, because of the age of the material I am interested in My father's family came from a Gloucestershire village called Longborough. a letter turned up a few years ago when some New Zealand cousins where around saying that the family came there from Ireland about 1700, & were highly secretive about their origins. of course these sort of things make you interested ! I guess they were protestants by the name & where earlier settlers themselves,with probably not a very positive start. Any way the only place I can find any real evidence of a family of that name is Wexford. I have done some limited research/reading, about those troubled times, but wonder if any one has any other info viv

Alma, also, Bunclody was in County Carlow. The place where my ancestors (Dunnes) hailed from was called: O'Dunne, Newtownbarry, County Carlow. Now known as Bunclody, County Wexford....this happened about 65 years ago....getting to the records, is like riding on a merry-go-round.....<<<grinning>>> Carol Lee Always searching for: O'Hearn,Dunne,Ferguson,Conlon Gierz,Boerner,Alm,Heldt, Radford,Estes. -----Original Message----- From: The Kingmans <clumber@ici.net> To: WEXFORD-L@rootsweb.com <WEXFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, September 18, 1999 4:26 PM Subject: RE: [WEXFORD] Re: WEXFORD Freemen >Alma, >You may already know this, but Newtownbarry is the former name of what is >now Bunclody in Co. Wexford. I have relations there as well, but no Doyles >that I know of. > >Good luck, >Ann >clumber@ici.net >> > >> > >You have listed two Doyle names, David b. 1832 and Peter >> b. 1835 this >> >might >> >be what I am looking for. My grandmother, Anna Theresa >> (Doyle) was born >> >Ballingstraw, Newtonberry, Wexford, Ireland ? 1877 or 1878. I have >> >heretofore been unable to find out anything more about her >> other than her >> >birth date. She married Charles William or Lewis Charles? >> Adams after >> >coming to the States. If you have any information I would >> appreciate it. >> >Thank you. Alma Jeanette (Adams) Mote >> > >> >> ______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >> >> ______________________________ > >______________________________

Could someone tell me where "the Duffery" is located. I think it is just outside of Enniscorthy. I is apparantly a key place for early Breen and/or O'Brien settlement. Larry O'Brien

Jane, I thought I understood what the maps I was looking at were. I know the difference between Catholic and Civil Parishes, but I did not know that as little as 100 years age they were different. I knew that Dioceses can cover different counties but I don't even know how to look for different registers. And I particularly don't know how to specify correct registration districts. There's a Superintendent's District and a Registration District, and other differences on the BMD registers as well as the Censuses. I just happened to luck out looking for "Wexford" with my ancestors. Yes, yes, yes, I would be better off if individual listings were done. What else do you have? Milli

I would like to know how many people who have various books such as Mitchels genealogical Atlas, Grenhams tracing your Irish Ancestry.....which shows RC parishes......actualy understand whatever maps they are looking at. Any book at all........ how many understand the difference between Catholic and Civil parishes, that while a parish exists today - it may not have 100 years ago, that there were parishes 100 years ago not in existence today. how parishes can spread between counties....how a Diocese can cover a number of counties......what one actually looks for when looking for registers from a particular area - given that you have a parish name. Basically, I think what I want ot know is if those of you who have any books relating to genealogical research in ireland find that the books explain all these properly........using their maps. Or, would you be better off if parishes relating to each county specifically and any other source of information relating to divisions such as registration districts per county were listed individually........rather than through maps. Or the association of words and maps - not one standing alone. I'm not looking for anyone to point me in the direction of any books, I would like opinions on how this information is presented in the the books which are out there. I know most of the books. please and thanks, Jane

Alma, You may already know this, but Newtownbarry is the former name of what is now Bunclody in Co. Wexford. I have relations there as well, but no Doyles that I know of. Good luck, Ann clumber@ici.net > > > > >You have listed two Doyle names, David b. 1832 and Peter > b. 1835 this > >might > >be what I am looking for. My grandmother, Anna Theresa > (Doyle) was born > >Ballingstraw, Newtonberry, Wexford, Ireland ? 1877 or 1878. I have > >heretofore been unable to find out anything more about her > other than her > >birth date. She married Charles William or Lewis Charles? > Adams after > >coming to the States. If you have any information I would > appreciate it. > >Thank you. Alma Jeanette (Adams) Mote > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________

I would like to share the following link with many thanks to Celestine Rafferty of the Wexford Library for an opportunity to view and copy Brian Cantwells work. It is a wealth of information on our Kehoe line. I'm still working on connections but would like to share what I have put to gether so far. Thanks Celestine....and many Thanks to Brian Cantwell for his work, God rest his soul. Pam Kehoe Wisconsin http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8798/cantwell.html FAMILY RESEARCH:KEHOE,LOW,SCOTT,ELDER and more Family website - http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/8798/ Celtic Women International Celebrating Celtic Women Everywhere - http://www.celticwomen.org

Just wanted all who seek to find their CAREY / CARY ancestors and descendents, we have just started a Message Board that is already quite active. As such, I refer you to it as follows: To subscribe, send an e-mail to CLAN-CAREY-L-REQUEST@rootsweb.com and in the body of the message, put only one word subscribe and then send it. You will receive confirmation that you are on the list via return e-mail. We look forward to welcoming you aboard and to you active participation as we all try to locate our elusive CAREY / CARY relatives of times gone by. Looking forward to seeing you on the list. /S/ James J. Carey CLAN CAREY - USA

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Hello, I am also looking for Sparrow - Margaret SPARROW who married John Pierce. They lived in Kilrane, County Wexford in 1870. John was a caretaker and gardner for a Kilrane family. They went to Catholic church at Tagoat, a nearby village. Children: William b. 1850 in Kilrane Cty Wexford (later, after coming to America, he traveled/worked on the Mississippi Riverboat then settled on Minn. married Margaret Slattery In Rochester, Minn. Katherine b. 1845 John b 1853 James b. 1841 Mary Matthew b. 1862 Ellen b. 1865 ALL were born in County Wexford Carol Magee ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ << >I searching for Sparrow (from Kilmanahan, 5 mile south of Clonmel, but in >Co Waterford) and linked to the Wexford Sparrows in your list. The other >names I'm chasing are: Laffan, Labarte and Carey but I suspect that these >are from Waterford. > >Many thanks again, > >Dermot Shields >>