To be continued............ Records for Ireland People always comment on how there are so few records remaining for Ireland because of the fire in the Four Courts in 1922. Yes, many records were lost at that time and it was terrible - but there was an awful lot of material which wasn't stored in the Four Courts. People on the newsgroups are always wondering why their families moved from Ireland to England, they wonder about how the famine was the main cause of movement out of Ireland. Well, it was and it wasn't. There was movement before the famine and movement after the famine. Look at it in the same way as you do life today. How many of you have family who have gone away - somewhere where there is work? Not in your hometown. Back then - Ireland and England were one. London was the capital. People moved about - I've always been saying that - don't pen them in. Ireland was part of Great Britain. It was run by the House of Commons, with MP's representing constituencies in Ireland as everywhere else. Many of the people in the House of Lords were born and raised in Ireland. So - whether anyone likes it or not, Laois, Mayo, Kerry, Cork, Tyrone - any county in Ireland was to England as any county in England. During that time we had industrialisation..and as today - people went where there was work. It didn't matter if that work was in England or Scotland - across water...it was all the one Great Britain. As with the European Union - the Irish moved from place to place, they didn't need passports to travel across that stretch of water.it was the same thing as crossing the river Shannon...just a bit more water and a longer journey.and for some of them - it may have taken less than to get from Dublin to Cork (24 hours). The Irish did not emigrate to England....they just wandered over and back - maybe for the Summer months, maybe for a few years, maybe forever..but they were still in the same Great Britain. So - there are no emigration records. More went during the famine, more moved off to foreign climes, more went seeking that fortune in the New World.... But stop and think - were the Irish the only people heading across the Atlantic during the time for the famine?? If they were - then it would be easy for you all to find your ancestors on those remaining passenger lists... They'd all be Irish. But - they weren't. Everyone thinks of Ireland as a Catholic country - we had more Protestants back then. But - Great Britain had a population which was 40% Catholic. The records in the Four Courts were lost.....but there is so much else remaining for Ireland..if you stop thinking of this little island and think in terms of it being just a part of Britain...and look to England and English records. We have the House of Commons Sessional Papers Records of the House of Lords Commissioners for Forfeited Estates in Ireland 1690's & early 1700's Select Committees on the State of Ireland (1824 & 1825) The Royal Commission on Tidal Harbours in the United Kingdom (1845) Royal Commission on Shipping dues (c. 1853) RC on Militia (1858-9) Harbours of Refuge (1858-9) Sea Fisheries (1863-5) Railway Charges (1865-7) Marriage Laws (1865-9) Cattle Plague (1865-6) Sanitary Laws (1868-9) All considered Ireland. Then we have: The Army: During the 19th century about 1/3rd of the British Army was Irish. Many ordinary men took the King's shilling instead of being labourers. Officers careers can be traced through the Army list and ordinary soldiers through their admission and discharge papers and Regimental Musters. These go back to the 18th Century - beyond Parish records. Admission and Discharge papers for 1760-1854 have been indexed alphabetically. We had 'out-pensioners' technically discharged to Kilmainham hospital but actually drawing their pensions al over the country. There are medal rolls for each campaign. All recorded in British Army records. Soldiers who died in the great War - the First World War - there's a medal roll for them. The death certificates of al soldiers who died in WW1 are indexed centrally at St. Catherines House and give number, rank and regiment.

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hi... does anyone have any info about protestant Websters in Wexford? Chris Bradshaw ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Does anyone have any links to William Leacy bc1825 (Stonemason) son of Edward Leacy (farmer)? Or the Leacy family in Wexford? Dawn

Hi Listers I have traced my gggrandmother Bridget Bowe nee Murphy and her bother Moses from Morpeth, NSW, Australia back to Gorey, Wexford. They were the children of Matthew Murphy and Catherine Malloy. Bridget was born about 1830 and married in Australia and Moses was born about 1820 and married Julia MacDonald, who was born in Thurles, Co Tipperay, in 1838 in Gorey. My question is "where to from here?" I would like to discover where in Gorey that lived or perhaps it was in the surrounding district. Any help greatfully received Regards Suzanne Redhead Sydney Australia

I am a new member of the list. I am researching Bridget BREEN born Dec 20, 1832 in Wexford , Ireland. She came to the USA at age two with parents and settled in Syracuse (ONANDAGA County) New York. In 1850 she married William TOAY, from Cornwall I think. They had a son James born in New York, Oct 3, 1852. When he was a year old they came to Wisconsin and settled on a farm near Ridgeway (IOWA County). They had 8 more children and she died at age 89.

EDWARD SINNOTT/SINNETT was the son of William Sinnott & Jane O'Neil of Wexford Co., Ireland. Edward arrived in Canada, probably with Wolfe's army 1770s, he first appears in a 1777 census as a single man living in Perce, Gaspe Peninsula. He married Josette Robert dit LeBreton from Coutanche, Brittany, France, in Anse-au-Griffon on September 17, 1790. They were married previously before witnesses in 1780. They had nine children, the youngest, James is my 4th g-grandfather. Don't know when Edward died but Josette married another Irishman, John Irving, on October 7, 1827. Looking for any info on Edward or his father William, or his mother Jane O'Neil. Many thanks. Linda Sinnett

Hello Everyone, Just want to send Christmas Wishes Blessings to you all. I like reading about all the snow areas - it's so different for us in Townsville, where it is raining and cool today, which is quite a change from our usual sweating. However, if the sun comes out tomorrow we will be steaming. We have much the same fare as everyone else for the big family dinner, except we replace the hot veges with salads. Seafood Christmas dinners are becoming popular these days. The mangoes and lychees are ripe to eat and with the drinks getting cold and our Family around us we it will be a good day. Have a Happy Christmas and a Great New Year - Eleanor.

I found more information, hope it will help...: Margaret (Furlong) Walsh had three brothers .. James (b. 1829 - d. UNK) emmigrated to U.S. 1860 John (b. 1833 - d. UNK) emmigrated to U.S. 1853 William (b. 1842 - d. 1927) emmigrated to U.S. 1860 I believe it was William who met my Grandfather and his sister when they arrived in America from Liverpool. Thank you Greg

Looking for info regarding early history of Patrick CONNICK, born aprox 1828, married Catherine (Kate) Walsh, emigrated to USA aprox 1852. Looking for specific birthpace, name of parents and siblings, place of marriage, etc.

I am researching my Family history, and am "stonewalled", can someone assist? Thomas WALSH (b. unk Co. Wexford?- d. Mar. 16, 1919 Liverpool, Eng.) sp. Margaret FURLONG (b. unk, Co. Wexford - d. 1890, Liverpool, Eng) Children: Mary daughter (b. Nov. 04, 1873 Bannow, Co. Wexford - d. Jan. 31, 1954 Mt. St. Joseph, Spokane, WA, USA) William son (b. 1874 Bannow, Co. Wexford - d. Oct. 13, 1881, Liverpool, Eng) Patrick son (b. 1876 unk. location - d. Sept. 14, 1881, Liverpool, Eng) Deborah daughter (b. 1879 Liverpool, Eng. - d. Oct. 24, 1881, Liverpool, Eng.) Michael son (b. Aug. 15, 1881, Liverpool, Eng. - d. Apr. 23, 1952, Tacoma, WA. USA) Of the five children, only Mary and Michael survived. The others died of scarlet fever. Mary and Michael were put on a ship bound for the US after their mother died. They were met by Margaret's brothers and brought to Port Townsend, Washington. Mary became a Nun, known as Sister Columban. Michael received his Masters degree from Gonzaga University, became an instructor, married and had five children. I have an account of Mary from the Sisterhood where she mentions that she and William were born in Bannow, Co. Wexford.

Before I went on vacation, someone on the list was inquiring about JKL. I think I offered to find some information for him/her. Could that person please contact me? I have some information, mostly about the man himself, but also the names of his parents, etc., if you are still interested. Sorry about this, but I am so inundated with mail lists since I left, I can't find anything! Edel

My name is Irene Colfer and I am researching my husbands family roots in wexford. I believe that there is still family alive in the wellington bridge area. The Family name is Colfer. ===== ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Seeking information about William Leacy bc1825, Wexford , son of Edward. William was a stonemason and his father a farmer. William emigrated to England in the 1840's. Does anyone have any connections with this family?

The following are Marriage Licence Bonds for 1691-1845 Film 0100169. This list a few names from surnames I have seen on this list. I can't find my family maybe I found yours. Name Married Year John BATTERSBY " Nancy RUDD 9/21/1797 ?Clonenagh Q Co. Farmer of Killernagh William BENNETT " Amelia RUDD 1822 Mary BROWN " John SHIEL 1816 Mary BRYERLEY " Edmund DUMPHY 1706 Edward BUTLER " Sarah HALL 1825 Tobias BUTLER " Elizabeth BRITT 1729 Toby BUTLER " Bridget BUTLER 10/29/1751 Toby BUTLER " Elizabeth NEVILLE 8/9/1796 Edward BYRNE " Elizabeth Hall 1821 Eleanor CARBERY " James SLY 1820 Peter ALTEMAS " Margaret MEYLER 182? ? handwriting poor. Joan rolfes@erols.com

Well I might just try that: RICHARD BURNEY (BIRNEY) and his wife CATHARINE nee KERSEY bc 1800 in County Wexford: Children BERNARD, ANNA, JOHANNA, ELIZABETH, MICHAEL, PATRICK born in County Wexford bc1830-1847, and JOHN KERSEY b. 1857 New York state USA. Any help appreciated. Slainte, Tim CH00CH0000@aol.com wrote: > You might try posting their NAME right here. > > Carol Magee > > << What is the best way to trace in WEXFORD? I have used Waterford Heritage > (pretty good) and Kilkenny Heritage (not so good) and a private > genealoger (real good) for work on my other families. Any help and > advice appreciated. >> > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > County Wexford on Rootsweb: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~fianna/county/wexford.html > > ============================== > Free Web space. ANY amount. ANY subject. > RootsWeb's Freepages put you in touch with millions. > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/acctform.cgi

Can anyone tell me what searchable resources there are for Wexford? I am searching for WESTNOTT [WESTNOT,WESTNUTT]. All I know is that there was a marriage in 1864 in Ballymitty [where is it?]--a family having children between 1843-53 in Ballingly,Wellingtonbridge and a birth in 1905 in Bridgetown[Scouchmolin]. There are none on the Griffith CD. I'm having no luck tracing any on-line records at all. The IGI has only the 1864 marriage. Help! Sheila gabby@idirect.com

You might try posting their NAME right here. Carol Magee << What is the best way to trace in WEXFORD? I have used Waterford Heritage (pretty good) and Kilkenny Heritage (not so good) and a private genealoger (real good) for work on my other families. Any help and advice appreciated. >>

Just a note to let you know that the LDS website http://www.familysearch.org/ has greatly expanded it's searching capabilities for both it's ANCESTRAL SEARCH & CUSTOM SEARCH - IGI within the last 24 hours or so. I discovered it this morning and did many searches on & off all day. Tonight the server is "TOO BUSY". Looks like they have or are getting ready to add practically every country in the world!! The world gets smaller and I thought I should share this wonderful site with you. Happy hunting. Pam Kehoe Wisconsin FAMILY RESEARCH:KEHOE,LOW,SCOTT,ELDER and more Family website - http://www.geocities.com/drk4779 Celtic Women International - http://www.celticwomen.org Walworth County Historical Society - http://www.geocities.com/walcohistory

I need some help from you experienced WEXFORD listers. I think I have found my great grandmother and her family. I think she and the others were born in County Wexford (C. 1800-1847) from her death cert and obit. I have the family members names and birth years from the 1860 US census. I think they emigrated in 1848. I think I have the mother's maiden name. What is the best way to trace in WEXFORD? I have used Waterford Heritage (pretty good) and Kilkenny Heritage (not so good) and a private genealoger (real good) for work on my other families. Any help and advice appreciated. Slainte, Tim