Baptisms and marriages were recorded in either Latin or English. Never in Irish. Generally where English was more common English was used and Latin was in Irish speaking parishes. Only the first names were translated into Latin, surname and placenames were not. Latin Name: English Equivalent/s Anna: Anne Carolus: Charles Cornelius: Cornelius, Conor, Neil Demetrius: Jeremiah, Jerome, Jerry, Dermot or Derby. (Demetrius is a Latinised form of the Irish name Diarmaid which had been incorrectly anglicised as Jeremiah) Gulielmus: William Hugones: Hugh Ioannes: John or Owen Jacobus: Jacob, James Johana: Johanna, Hannah, Joan, Jane Johanes, Joannes: John Honoria: Hannah, Nora, Norry Margarita: Margaret, Peg (Peig is actually the Irish name for Margaret) Maria: Mary Nigellus: Neil Timotheus, Thaddeus: Timothy, Tadgh, Thady Variations: Latin words change their endings according to their case: nominative, accusative, genitive and dative. Endings also change depending on whether the noun is singular and plural. You may notice changes to endings such as: Maria (nom.),Mariam (acc.) Marie (gen.), Marie (dat.) Gulielmus, Gulielmm, Gulielmui Fillius, Filium, Filii, filio, filia Johannes (John), Johannem, Johannis, Johanni Johanna (Johanna, Joan), Johannam, Johanne Surnames were given at baptism as Christian names frequently by Protestants and sometimes applied to both sexes. Names: Florence: more usually a male name in Ireland Sydney or Sideny used for both sexes but more commonly as a female name. Evelyn - both sexes All confused due to their slight differences. Francis (male) Frances (female) Olive (female) Olave (Male) Jess (Male) Jessie (female) Edie - a male name in Ireland, confused with diminutive of Edith. Kitty usually the diminutive of Catherine, but also used in the forms Kit and Kitty as a diminutive for Christopher. Constant or Constance found for a boy in Co. Clare. Constance and Constantia are found as girls' names. Giles: usually a male name but found in Ireland as a female name and an Anglization of Sheila. Catholics in 19thC sometimes gave male children second name of Mary or Maria, and Anne Bartle, Bat, Batty, Bartly are forms of Bartholomew. Toby a form of Theobold Con, Connor, Corny and Neily a form of Cornelius Rory and Roddy a form of Roderick Sandy : Alexander Centy : Hyacinth Lack and Lacky : Laughlin Darby : Dermot Castor and Kit : Christopher Nancy and Nany are forms of Anne and Hannah Bessie, Betsy and Lizzie forms of Elizabeth Polly, Molly and Mally forms of Mary Juggy form of Judith Honor, Honny, Onny, Noey and Norah are forms of Honorah Biddy, Bride and Beesy of Bridget Anty of Anastsia (Anstace) Peggy, Maggy of Margaret Nell and Nelly of Ellen, Helen and Eleanor. Polly also used to Martha Interchangeables: Alexander: Alistair Theobold: Tobias (because of common diminutive = Toby) Edward: Edmond ( because of phonetic similarity) Patrick: Bartholomew (solely through confusion of respective diminutives Pat and Bat) Jacob: James (because of latin form Jacobus) Gerald: Garrett, Gerard Owen: Eugene (both being used as translations of the Irish Eoghain) Daniel: David ( due to poor penmanship and mis-reading or mis-copying) Peter: Patrick (in Ulster) Randal: Randolph: Ralph ( all variants of the same name and rendered Randolphus in latin) Bridget: Bedelia: Delia: Bessy" Abigail: Deborah (because of the similarity of their respective diminutives Abbie and Debbie and of Gubbie the diminutive of the Irish Gobnet) Jane: Joan, Jean (all being rendered Johanna in Latin) Alice: Ellen (probably due to the diminutive Eily for both the Irish names Eilish and Eileen) Grizell: Grace (In Ulster) Susan: Johanna (as renderings of the Irish Siobhán) Giles: Cecily, Cecilia, Celia, Julia (Irish Sheelagh) Hannah: Honora, Johanna Judith: Julia (perhaps due to the similarity of their diminutives Judy and julie) Irish or English equivalents of one another, but not necessarily being a correct translation of such names: Irish: English Brian: Bernard, Barnabas (Barney) Diarmaid (Dermot): Jeremiah, Darby, Demetrius Tiernan: Terence Teige: Thaddeus (Thady) Morrogh: Morgan Aodh : Hugh, Edie Tirlogh: Terence Eoghain: Owen, Eugene Cormac: Charles Cathal: Charles Eamonn: Edmond, Edward, Aimon Conchobar: Connor, Cornelius, Constantine Donogh: Denis, Donat Dhonal: Daniel, Donald Eileen: Ellen, Helen, Eleanor Eilish: Alice Siobhán: Johanna, Susan, Jane Sheelagh: Cecilia, Cecily, Giles, Sheila, Celia, Julia Oonagh: Una, Winifred. Until the end of the mid 18thC it was unusual for a child to receive more than one Christian name in Ireland, although there were some standard favourite combinations such as Ann Jane, Mary Anne. Even in the 19thC the practise of giving a second Christian name was slowly adopted....starting with the richer gentry. People tended to take on a second name on arrival in a new country, it may have been the name of their father Favourite Catholic Christian names were: John, Patrick, James, Denis, William, Darby, Dermot, Daniel, Cornelius, Henry, Timothy, Thomas, Michael, Jeremiah, Bartholomew, Brain, Laurence, Thady, Terence, Owen, Martin, Mathias, David and Josepeh for boys. Dominick enjoyed vogue in the 17thC..Columb, Malachy, Miles, Felix, Ambrose and Stanislaus were less commonly used. Aloysius is rare before the 19th C. For girls: Mary, Catherine, Bridget, Honora, Margaret, Ellen, Anastasia, Johanna, Judith, Julia, Rosanna, Maryanne, Elizabeth and Jane. Less common were Magdalen, Monica and Theresa. Marcella is found in Ireland but is rare in England. Protestants: Arthur, John, Henry, James, William, Frederick, George, Edward, Richard, Charles, Philip, Oliver, Jonathan, Anthony, Andrew, Simon, Marmaduke and Sstephen. They also used old testament names which were rarely used by Catholics such as Abraham, Jacob, Moses, Isaac , Samuel, Joshua, Gamaliel. Protestant girls: Mary, Sarah, Elizabeth, Eleanor, Lucy, Catherine, Susanna, Hannah, Margaret, Jane, Isabella, Frances and Alice. Less frequently: Barbara, Gertrude, Dorothea, Charlotte, Diana, Rebecca, Lydia , Race, Phoebe, Henrietta, Lettice, Ursula, Penelope, Esther and Heather. The name Austin (for Augustine) was common in the Catholic peasantry in Connaught but was uncommon elsewhere. Lettice was widespread amongst Protestant families in Cavan. Lancelot in Monaghan. Jasper, Horatio and Darby were popular in Cork: Bernard and Sylvester in Cavan: Hyacinth in Galway: Ignatius and Xaverius were common amongst Catholics in Mayo and Galway, also Dominick. Florence was used as a boys name amongst the Catholics in Cork....Moses, usually a name used by Protestants was a popular Catholic name in Wexford. Fintan in Laois

I am looking for one Furlong at this point. William Furlong was listed as a witness to marriage of gggs Catherine Whitty and Richard Keating in Wexford Town, RC in 1833. The other witness was James Keating. I don't know anything beyond his listing as Witness at this point. Was this your Furlong area. I have noticed a signature from the Heritage Center as a B. Furlong and haven't checked on it. LOL to you and your search. Thanks for your consideration.

I am interested in the Moore family from Wexford, several of whom immigrated to Ontario, Canada in 1817. They were Presbyterians 1. William MOORE- b. 1740 Culentra, Wexford, barber-surgeon and yoeman. Married Frances PROCTOR, circa 1766 in Dublin, Dublin. He emigrated with his son Walsingham (and family) and daughter Anne. 2. i. Walsingham MOORE b. 1768 in Dublin, Dublin 3. ii. Frederick MOORE b. 1770 He married Eliza BOLTON in Wexford and emigrated before his father, brother and sister. 4. iii. Daniel MOORE b. 1781 was killed with 36 other loyalists near Gorey, 22 June 1798 (Bloody Friday) 5. iv. William MOORE b. 1780 d.1828 and buried in St Anne's Parish Church, Dublin, Dublin. 6 v. Elizabeth Jane MOORE married Samuel ROWSOME 7. vi. Anne MOORE (emigrated with William and Walsingham) 8. vii. Margaret MOORE ?married and likely remained in Ireland My questions are: 1. Anyone out there researching any of these names? 2. Does a database or publication exist that lists those who served under Wellington (as I believe one of these Moore's did)? 3. What is a barber-surgeon? (and would I want one to operate on my child)? Regards from Patty in Canada.

Christine, Do you have any children for Margaret And Tom Sparrow? << Hello John, > I have been out of town or I would have answered sooner. > I am looking for Thomas Sparrow and Margaret Sparrow. > I don't know if they were quaker? > Let me know and thanks so much > Christine >> Carol Magee

Looking for any information on history of CONNICKs. From Wexford/ New Ross area. Thanks.

Don't I sound as though I know how to work them when I say to you 'go to the archives and find my old posts on the 'book list.....' I don't!! now - others do (I think) - and they always say check out the archives....and so.... I'm a sheep - <g> but it makes life so simple.......... only there's loads of people asking me about how to access the archives..... and I can only tell you what I try myself - and I'm one of these people who when driving a car knows how to get from A to B - but if you ask me about any where in the middle or to name the streets on the route I take......I'll sit there with my mouth open as if trying to catch flies. I just do something automatically - and if I stop to think......I get lost! Right - Rootsweb have archived past posts to lists.... Threaded Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ and today they are saying: There are 12,218(!) mailing lists being archived here. As of midnight, there were 2,145,678 available messages in 18,199,410,205 searchable bytes of data and then there is this one Interactive search of mailing lists: http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl and they say: This is an interface to the archives for most of the RootsWeb mailing lists, current through the past day or so. Now I have to work out how these work :-( So - if I key in Ireland-L in the threaded archive page - which is one newsgroup I post to - I get a list of refs or whatever.....the first says that it is an index of Ireland-L.......and something about August....... So, I click that one..and then I get......... a page which asks me for my username and password........and I've keyed in those assuming that they are what I always use for most places.....(once upon a time - not too long ago) I went to the rootsweb maiun page and followed whatever to where-ever and did the username an password bit and I get another page - a search page......for the newsgroup.and I key in Book list and I'm there all right - but as my old e mail address - not Jlyons1 but jayohbee and golly.......everyone's coming up but me and my recent posts on 'Book Lists' So - Anyone from any list who hasn't got a clue what my book lists are about (and wants to know) - mail me please, put book list in your subject line and I'll just forward you the first two mails I sent out in Novemeber. Those of you who have already asked me about those posts.......I'll get to your messages and send you the mails....... and LISTOWNERS..........sorry for shouting.. Do you think there is any way that the subscribers on your lists could not just be pointed in the direction of the Archives - but told how the archives work - on a regular basis........plain, simple English pretty please........ I mean - I'm always told things (by friends) like I go to Galway to get to Cork - meaning I take the long way round to do something.maybe, there's an easier way to go through the archives and I don't know what it is and neither do many others. Jane

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Talking to my sister last night - she's big into set dancing. It's something which has seen a huge revival in Ireland... I never knew the differences in all those dances we learned as children, all those steps......but they were fun. Anyhow.....it seems that different parts of the country stick with their own kinds, I can't remember the various locations for wach one. The reel type - they're usually from Co. Clare; Polka's - they spread from Cork, thru Wexford, up the country...you don't dance a polka in Clare and you rarely dance a reel in Cork - not unless you are learning the differences. and then others. Struck me as we talked - this is like those implements that people use to make - they'd make them one way if they were from one part of Ireland and another if they were from another - small details - but actually of genealogical value if someone knew their ancestors came from Ireland, didn't know what part, but did have photographs of those implements or them dancing.... Long shot - but I thought I'd mention it :-) There is a set dancing site on the web. People get really involved in set dancing these days, they travel from all over the world to workshops here in Ireland, and then Irish travel all over the world to workshops abroad...something like genealogical workshops I guess..... and I think she said a history has been written about it - telling more about the different kinds and the counties they are from. Seems set dancing was banned - because of the close bodily contact.... The person who revived it here in Ireland - Timmy Ryan from Tipperary - I think he died over the last few years There's a web site - and I haven't checked this out so I hope the URL is correct. www.SetdancingNews.net Someof you might like to take a look Jane

Christine, Dermot and Carol, I had copied a few of the Quaker Sparrow records, but none of the people you're asking about appear in them. I'll need to go back to the films of the Quaker registers for Wexford, Waterford, and Tipperary, which I have on indefinite loan at my local LDS branch Family History Center, the next time I have a chance to get over there. I'll get back to you with anything I find there on your Sparrows. Dermot, what I have shows Richard Sparrow and Sarah Goff, to whom you refer, but not Robert Sparrow. If Robert is a son or grandson of Richard and Sparrow, then you and I would be cousins, as I have all of Sarah's ancestry, connected to mine. Christine, Can you give me an approximate time period for Thomas Sparrow and Margaret Sparrow, plus any information on how they link to the line you're researching? That would help a lot in my looking them up. John Christine wrote: > Hello John, > I have been out of town or I would have answered sooner. > I am looking for Thomas Sparrow and Margaret Sparrow. > I don't know if they were quaker? > Let me know and thanks so much > Christine >

GENERAL POST OFFICE IRELAND Established by Act of Parliament, 1st of August, 1784 1820 Post masters General Right Honourable Earl O'Neill, K. St. P. Right Honourable Earl of Rosse The mails for England leave Dublin every evening except Sunday, and are due in Dublin every day except Wednesday. Letters for Ireland and Scotland are received until seven o'clock. All Double, Treble and other Letters Packets whatever pays in proportion to the respective rates of Single Letters. - Packets chargable by Weight pay after the Rate of four Single Letters for every Ounce, and so in proportion for any greater weight, reckoning every quarter of an ounce equal to a single letter. (?) Member's Franks are Chargeable if above one Ounce Weight. Rates of Postage to Great Britan. Dublin and London: 1s 3d Dublin and Holyhead 0s 3d Dublin and Isle of Man: 1s 6d Dublin and Guernsey (or jersey): 1s 6d Waterford and London: 1s 2d Waterford and Milford: Os 2d Donaghadee and London: 1s 4d Donaghadee and Portpatrick: 0s 2d Foreign and Packet rates of Postage - for a Single Letter Dublin to France: 2s 3d The Netherlands: 2s 5d Germany, Switzerland: 2s 9d Turkey, Russia, Prussia: 2s 9d Denmark, Swedan, Norway: 2s 9d Italy, Turkey thru France 3s 0d Spain thro France: 3s 3d Portugal: 2s 11d Madeira: 3s 0d Brazils (sic) : 3s 11d Gibraltar: 3s 3d Malta, Corfu & Mediteranean: 3s 7d West Indies: 2s 7d America: 2s 7d New South Wales: £1. 0s 11 ½ d St. Helena: £1. 0s 11 ½ d Africa, except the Cape of Good Hope: £1. 0s. 11 ½ d. Mails made up in London as follows: France: Every Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday Holland & Netherlands, Germany and the North of Europe: Every Tuesday and Friday Jamaica and America: First Wednesday monthly Leeward islands: First and third Wednesday monthly Madeira and Brazils: First Tuesday monthly Portugal: Weekly, Tuesdays Gibralter, Malta, Corfu & Mediterranean: first Tuesday monthly All Postages must be paid on letters for all of the above places, except the West India Colonies & British America, the payment of which is optional with the writer. Letters addressed to Soldiers and sailors at the Cape f Good Hope, Mauritius, Ceylon and the East Indies, must pay the full postage. East Indies: All Letters to the Cape of Good Hope, the Mauritius, Ceylon and the East Indies, which may be sent though the Post Office, are liable to a Sea Postage of two pence each, under the Weight of three Ounces, and One Shilling per Ounce if above that weight, in addition to the inland rates to London, to be paid at the time of putting in the Letter.

The Militia Records similar to those of the army. The PRO in Britain has material for most Irish counties Customs & Excise. People were posted away from areas where they had friends and relatives, and family were also transferred. English Officers might have spent time in Ireland and vice versa. Children would say they were born in one country or the other and not think of themselves as being from that country. Coastguards: Records for nominations for appointments began in 1816. Police: We all know about the RIC records. (Royal Irish Constabulary - founded in 1836). These are indexed alphabetically. Once you find the name in the index, then the full record can be requested. Arranged by Service number these records give age, height, religion, native county, that of the wife (if any), trade, date of appointment, counties where served, date of retirement or death The Royal Navy: Seamen were signed on for each voyage. The ships muster gives place of birth so you can identify the Irish. Continuous engagement was introduced in 1853. (I don't know if these have been indexed yet or not - Jane) Postpeople The records of the Post Office are held in a separate archive in the sorting office building in central London. The 'Establishment Books' began in 1691 and the 'Nomination and Appointment Books' began in 1737. The service expanded in the mid 1800's and so much more information on postpeople from Ireland will be found from that time. The records include information on appointment, retirement and pension. One other way to check out Postpeople is through the various directories for Ireland. These will list the Postmaster for any place which did have a post system, from there you can then check out these records in the sorting office in London. The civil Service: Records not held in the PRO but in the library of the Society of Genealogists in London. Young men were obliged to give evidence 9not just statements of birth) so applications have birth or baptism certificates attached. For many Irish applicants - this was not possible so there are affidavits from relatives or the local Clergy and these were accepted. The Trinity House Petitions - also held at the Society of Genealogists. Merchant seamen or their widows applied for pensions. Place of birth was given and names o dependant children. When it was a widow applying - she gave the place and date of marriage and here also birth or baptism certificates are attached as evidence. Records go from the late 1700's to 1853 Lloyds Marine collection : Guildhall Library. A continuous run of Lloyd's List exists from 1741 listing ships and their movements: details include the shipbuilder, owner and master. Other classes of record including subscription books (from 1774); casualty Returns (from 1850); Wreck registers (from 1855); captains registers (from 1869). The British Newspaper collection. Many of these are also held in Ireland, but these would be local papers - not specialised. How many of you are subscribed to some newsletter, newspaper from an area where you don't live? People had interests, if your ancestors were professionals then they may have subscribed to any of these newspapers or magazines. You may find their advertisements, bankrupticies, letters from them in any one relating to some interest/hobby/profession that your ancestor had. Trade Unions and Friendly Societies: The Amalgamated Engineering Union was founded in 1851 - and had 400+ Irish Members from Belfast, Drogheda, Cork, Dublin and Newry. Five years later it had members from Dundalk, Kilkenny and Limerick Check out : Ward-Perkins, S. Select Guide to Trade union Records in Dublin (with details of Unions operating in Ireland to 1970). 1996 Bennett, J. & Tough, A. Trade union and related records (University of Warwick) 1991 Records of British business and Industry 1760-1914: Textiles and leather (HMSO, 1990) Anon.

Greetings from the sunny Gold Coast in Queensland, Australia I would think that the New Ross Library would be a branch of the Wexford County Library. They are at Abbey Street Wexford email - colibrar@wexfordcoco.ie fax -: (053) 21097 A public library address list can be found at http://www.iol.ie/~libcounc/address.htm For a bi-monthly Irish newsletter go to http://www.winshop.com.au/merv/gcags/irish To find out about the Rossiter's of Wexford and other places go to http://www.winshop.com.au/merv/ With best wishes Merv Rossiter merv@winshop.com.au http://www.winshop.com.au/merv/rossiter

When I lived in Ross several years ago, the library was tiny. I'm not sure they would have either. However, I believe you could reach them by snail mail by addressing a query to the library at The Tolsel, New Ross. -----Original Message----- From: RADMCarey@aol.com [mailto:RADMCarey@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 21, 1999 4:45 PM To: WEXFORD-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [WEX] New Ross Library Anyone on this list have a name and fax # or e-mail address that I can contact at the New Ross library? Any experience with them responding to genealogy questions?? Many thanks in advance, With all good wishes, Jim Carey Washington, DC ______________________________

on 11/22/99 12:21 AM, WEXFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com at WEXFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From: "Jane Lyons" <jlyons1@iol.ie> > Date: Saturday, November 20, 1999 4:55 PM > Subject: [WEX] Ireland - England = Great Britain : Records > > Back then - Ireland and England were one. London was the capital. People > moved about - I've always been saying that - don't pen them in. Ireland was > part of Great Britain. Let me be a little picky and make some small clarifications. Ireland and England were never "one". What I believe you meant to say was that, before 1922, Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales were all part of the United Kingdom (but they were each separate "nations" within the Kingdom). As you say, people were free to move about within the UK without any formal immigration procedures. Also, Ireland was never part of Great Britain. Great Britain is an island which contains England, Scotland, and Wales. It is the largest of the British Isles. The second largest is the island of Ireland, which now contains the Republic of Ireland and a part of the UK known as Northern Ireland. And, of course, there are a number of smaller islands which are part of the British Isles.

Thank you so much Jane for your book list. I did purchase several books this weekend to give as Christmas gifts and found the list most helpful in selecting the right books. Michele Compton Murphy

Hello John, I know my grandfather was a Quaker. He married Mary Pierce, the daughter of John Pierce and Margaret Sparrow. The oldest John and Margaret's children was born in Wexford in 1841, which would place John and Margaret's birth between 1810 and 1820. They Lived in Kilrane, County Wexford, Ireland in 1841 and were still there in 1870. I have all the children and the genealogy on down, but I can't go back any further than John Pierce and Margaret Sparrow. I'd appreciate any help you might have. Carol Magee Carol and Christine, I have copies of Quaker registers listing a number of Sparrow births, marriages and deaths in County Wexford and other Irish counties in the 1700's and 1800's. If you'll give me specific given names of your Sparrows and the approximate time period for them, I'll be happy to see if they show up in these records. Sparrow was a common Quaker name.

Anyone on this list have a name and fax # or e-mail address that I can contact at the New Ross library? Any experience with them responding to genealogy questions?? Many thanks in advance, With all good wishes, Jim Carey Washington, DC

> Carol and Christine, I have copies of Quaker registers listing a number of Sparrow births, marriages and deaths in County Wexford and other Irish counties in the 1700's and 1800's. If you'll give me specific given names of your Sparrows and the approximate time period for them, I'll be happy to see if they show up in these records. Sparrow was a common Quaker name. John Goff > Subject: [WEX] [WEXFORD] Searching SPARROW > Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 19:29:29 EST > From: CH00CH0000@aol.com > To: WEXFORD-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello Christine, > I am searching SPARROW too. My earliest is in County Wexford. > Carol Magee > Ch00ch0000@aol.com > > In a message dated 11/02/1999 7:19:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, > cs@expressdocs.com writes: > > << I need help. > I need someone in Ireland to do some searching in Wexford. > Surname is SPARROW. > Looking for the parents of Joseph. > Thank you, > Christine > in California > >> >

Personal opinion...... Jane is fantastic!!! P. Leonard

Applause to Jane for supplying us with all those book resources. Thanks, Jane. Carol Thibodeaux Magee