Hilary, apparently, at [email protected] writes: << The only church in Old Ross is the Protestant/Church of Ireland one. >> Thanks for this. Unfortunately, I was in a hurry and didn't use the various church webpages to check on this. I used the Townland Index map of the area, which is a 1/6th size of the first editions of the six-inch map of the area. On that map, the church in Old Ross village (Millquarter tld.) is identified as an "R.C. Ch.". As it rarely happens that an old RC church has been changed into a Protestant one, I just let it go. Sorry. All I had to do was check in Mitchell's book, and I would have seen the discrepancy. The map also shows that the church in Cushenstown as well as the slightly closer church in Courthoyle New are both RC churches - although in different civll parishes. And Mitchell agrees. Incidentally, for my purposes, there are two churches in Old Ross. There is the current church (C of I, as you mentioned), and then there's the section of wall to the north of it - which appears to be the ruin of the early parish church, St. Mary's. I am more likely to miss the functioning churches than I am the ruins <gr>. In this case, I visited the site merely to examine and photograph the Early Christian cross-inscribed pillar, near the entrance to the churchyard. I'll exercise more "due diligence" in my future letters, and try not to hurry. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Curate describes the lowest order of priest, below that of Parish Priest or Pastor in the Catholic church and Rector in the Protestant church. Thomas Harman was the Protestnat Curate in Old Ross. He died in 1871 and is buried in the cemetery at Old Ross church. The only church in Old Ross is the Protestant/Church of Ireland one. The RC church is in the townland of Cushinstown, beside the N25 Wexford-New Ross route, and in the civil parish of Carnagh. Both civil parishes were incorporated into the R.C. parish of Cushinstown and the New Ross Union of parishes. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 11:37 AM Subject: [WEX] Re: Catherine McGrath letter of reference > Donna at [email protected] writes: > > << Does PALACE or CURATE OF OLD ROFS mean anything to anyone? >> > > Donna, > > I think you've gotten the correct answer on Old Ross. It is a village in > the > townland of Millquarter, containing both old and new RC parish churches, > and > is in the civil parish of Oldross. It this same civil parish, about 2 > miles > north of the village, are the townlands of Palace East and Palace West. > The > "Templenaerow" you mention could be the townland of Templenacroha, which > is > more-or-less between the village of Old Ross and the Palace townlands. > Incidentally, the village of Old Ross is about 5 miles due east of the > much larger town > of New Ross. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > - > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western > Massachusetts > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > The Wexford Surnames List can be found at > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/wexford.html > >

After the War of 1812-15 between Britain and the US, Canada wanted settlers who were loyal to the Crown. Many Irish and Scots started arriving in 1816, and took up grants in eastern Ontario and Quebec - among other locations. Marjorie, Ontario, Canada. -----Original Message----- From: Earle Dunphy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: February 10, 2006 9:57 PM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [WEX] REASONS FOR LEAVING IRELAND -----Original Message----- From: Cara_Links [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 4:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WEX] REASONS FOR LEAVING IRELAND Passenger lists would be at the port of disembarkation But families in 1817 with farming background were leaving via New Ross for upper eastern Canada so it would be either Canada was calling out for people to work the land or giving land out .......... May be able to assist with 1817 folk - but some of the ancestors you seek would have also been from the first clearances off the Fitzwilliam estate and they did not keep as good a record of those as they did the second clearances. Cara ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== DO NOT post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc. ______________________________

Hilary Thank You for the information. How wonderful to find that the Curate was really Thomas Harman. Catherine's parents were buried, along with a few of her brothers and sisters, in the Adamstown Cemetery, New Ross. Do you know if that would that be Catholic or Protestant? I found that information out about the burials a few years ago from someone on this site. Catherine stayed in Boston awhile then came out to Nebraska and married Ed Monaghan, also from Ireland via Scotland. They lived out their lives in Percival, Iowa but are buried in St. Mary's Catholic Cemetery in Nebraska City, Nebraska (across the river from Percival, Iowa. We've always assumed she was born Catholic. If so I'm surprised she would get a reference from a Protestant Curate although he just says he has known her since her childhood. He could be a neighbor or family member. I really shouldn't say that surprised me because an awful lot of genealogy research finds come as a surprise. Thank you for taking the time for my questions Donna Kentch in South Dakota ----- Curate describes the lowest order of priest, below that of Parish Priest or Pastor in the Catholic church and Rector in the Protestant church. Thomas Harman was the Protestnat Curate in Old Ross. He died in 1871 and is buried in the cemetery at Old Ross church. The only church in Old Ross is the Protestant/Church of Ireland one. The RC church is in the townland of Cushinstown, beside the N25 Wexford-New Ross route, and in the civil parish of Carnagh. Both civil parishes were incorporated into the R.C. parish of Cushinstown and the New Ross Union of parishes.

No, and it seems that they all bought considerable land soon after arriving. Our family seemed to think they brought money with them. In 1850, his real estate was valued at $1,500 and he owned 10 slaves. In 1860, he owned 20 slaves, his real estate was valued at $2,800 and his personal estate at $20,300. He was born about 1800 and died about 1865. The only siblings who ever lived with him were one brother and one sister, who appeared to be a widow. The others came and established themselves comfortably in a similar manner. He also won a silver cup for having the best horses in the parish (county) in about 1830. I have wondered if my Daniel had any connection with the Daniel Sullivan who was executed in 1798 for participation in the Scullabogue Massacre in Wexford. Sullivan is not a common name in Wexford. I don't have any parents for him - his siblings were Mary (Fenlon/Finlen/Fendling) born about 1798; Michael born 1805 m. Catherine Murphy in Wexford and had son John b. June 24, 1846 in Wexford, d. Aug. 18, 1868, Livingston Parish, Louisiana; James b. abt. 1810 and Patrick, b. abt. 1811, married Mercy Jackson in Louisiana and died 1893-94 in East Baton Rouge Parish. Daniel, Michael and Patrick all were landowners with considerable estates. The family was Catholic. There may have been other siblings who did not go to Louisiana. Would a birth record exist for John Sullivan for June 24, 1846? Martha Cara_Links wrote: >His reasons for leaving > > >He may have went to look for work and as money became available he sent home >for the rest of his siblings >or did they have to sponsor them into the country >as they did in Australia ??? > >CARA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Martha Hardcastle Guthrie" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:57 AM >Subject: Re: [WEX] REASONS FOR LEAVING IRELAND > > > > >>My ancestor, Daniel Sullivan apparently came from Wexford to Louisiana >>about 1818. Five sibs followed all the way up to the 1850s. It doesn't >>seem to follow any pattern at all. Any ideas about this? >> >>Martha >> >>Cara_Links wrote: >> >> >> >>>Passenger lists would be at the port of disembarkation >>> >>>But families in 1817 with farming background were leaving via New Ross for >>>upper eastern Canada so it would be either Canada was calling out for >>>people to work the land or giving land out .......... >>> >>>May be able to assist with 1817 folk - >>>but some of the ancestors you seek would have also been from the first >>>clearances off the Fitzwilliam estate and they did not keep as good a >>>record of those as they did the second clearances. >>> >>>Cara >>> >>> >>> >>>==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >>>DO NOT post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political >>>announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >>The Wexford Surnames List can be found at >>http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/wexford.html >> >> >> >> > > > > >==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >To do a search of the Wexford Archives go to >http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > > > >

Thank you Joan "Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof Old English script used small case letter "f" as the letter "s". This would appear to be Old "Ross" (Rofs) to my initial interpretation. Regards, Joan in New Jersey"

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Thank you Kevin, Jeff and Pete for replying to my request. Everything you said makes sense to me and you've really helped me over a big stumbling block. The only question I still have is the word curate in the signature. What would the "curate of Old Ross" mean. I think of a curate as someone who has a museum. or maybe something to do with a church. Whoever said "ignorance is bliss" didn't have anything to do with genealogy research... Thanks again, Donna Kentch in South Dakota.

Does anyone have a Catherine Maher born 1852 in County Wexford father was John Maher Catherine married John Stitt in Liverpool and she died in Liverpool in 1927 and is buried in `the family grave` in Kirkdale cemetry Liverpool. Any info on the Mahers welcome please. Thanks Ann

Here is a summary of some assumptions that I've made about my ancestor, any comments would be appreciated: Timothy Connors was born in Enniscorthy, County Wexford on April 7, 1795 to Patt Connors and Mary Tobin. He was baptized at St Aidan's Cathedral, Enniscorthy on April 17, 1795, godparents, John Sheil and Mary Connors. It is speculated that he moved from Enniscorthy to King's Cove, Bonavista Bay , Newfoundland sometime during 1815. One idea that has been put forward was that he may have fought in the Napoleonic War and seeing the dire conditions in Ireland upon his return from the war, decided to emigrate. It is known that shipping trade to Nfld, Canada and the USA did not originate from County Wexford but the ports did include Cork and Waterford. It is also known that about 90% of the shipping activity to Newfoundland, during the 1815 time frame originated from County Waterford. Whether Timothy left from Waterford or Cork is not known for sure but it is believed, that he probably left from Waterford. It is also thought that he may not have known which port that he left from but he believed that he was leaving from Cork. This would explain, why it was always believed that the Connors Ancestry originated from County Cork. It is also assumed that a Timothy & James Connors (Coopers) who moved to King's Cove at the same time may have been the cousins of our ancestor. Timothy married Catherine Ray (Rae) from King's Cove on April 10, 1823. It is not clear what specific trade that he was working at but some recently discovered letters may provide some insight into his activities during 1847 and 1848. In letters written by a Reverend Smith, an Anglican Mister, Timothy Connors is shown as delivering letters from King's Cove to St John's and in one specific instance he gave a verbal report from a William Carter from Catalinam for supplies. It cannot be confirmed if he was working for himself or was employed by others in this capacity. These letters do, however, suggest that Timothy had some education prior to arriving in Newfoundland with his ability to read. At the moment, there is no information which indicate if Timothy had any brothers or sisters but chances are, being Connors, there were probably several of each. Timothy probably left King's Cove sometime between 1847 and 1859 and a land deed written in 1859 shows him at St John's and his house and land at King's Cove were sold to Thomas Long for 30 pounds. It appears that he stayed at St John's where he lived until his death in 1887. DEATH NOTICE (June 16, 1887) Last evening, after a long illness, Mr Timothy Connors, a native of Enniscorthy, County Wexford, Ireland, age 93 years, 72 of which he spent in this country. Funeral tomorrow (Friday) at 2:30, from his late residence, No. 158 New Gower Street. H.G. Standard please copy. 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If any one has access to the 1901 or 1911 census, I would appreciate a look up. I am looking for the Somers family in Cruttenclogh ( also spelled Croughtenclogh and many variations) in Co. Kilkenny. There may be several families all living in the same townsland. Information would be greatfully received. Dan Jordan New York

Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof>>> Old English script used small case letter "f" as the letter "s". This would appear to be Old "Ross" (Rofs) to my initial interpretation. Regards, Joan in New Jersey

Donna at [email protected] writes: << Does PALACE or CURATE OF OLD ROFS mean anything to anyone? >> Donna, I think you've gotten the correct answer on Old Ross. It is a village in the townland of Millquarter, containing both old and new RC parish churches, and is in the civil parish of Oldross. It this same civil parish, about 2 miles north of the village, are the townlands of Palace East and Palace West. The "Templenaerow" you mention could be the townland of Templenacroha, which is more-or-less between the village of Old Ross and the Palace townlands. Incidentally, the village of Old Ross is about 5 miles due east of the much larger town of New Ross. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

I would guess that Rofs is really Ross written with the large first 's' used in older scripts. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kentch's" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 11:03 PM Subject: [WEX] RE: Catherine McGrath letter of reference > Hi List > I am trying to transcribe about a dozen old letters that belonged to my > husbands great-grandmother. Catherine McGrath came to the US in 1858. I am > working on a reference letter she brought with her to Boston. > The reference letter was readable except I couldn't make out the > heading nor the complete signature. I would like to know if anyone could > tell me where it could be from > A little background. Catherine's parents were William (1794-1874 and > Elizabeth (1798-1869) McGrath and are buried in the Adamstown Cemetery, > New Ross, Wexford. > The letters are very faded and written in a flowery old style in > English. When Wm. wrote to her he always dated the letter in the top right > followed by a work that looks like Templenaerow. > The reference letter: > (looks like) Palace > ir (or) er Rofs 11 April > 1857 > I have known the bearer Catherine McGrath since her childhood and believe > that she is a perfectly honest sober virtuous quiet girl willing and > industrious and ready to exert herself in any way she may be employed. > Tho. Harman ?(spelling) > Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof > > Does PALACE or CURATE OF OLD ROFS mean anything to anyone? Thanks for > your help. > Donna Williams Kentch in South Dakota > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, > immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family > Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > encouraged......... > >

Donna, While I am not a professional genealogist or linguist by any means, if you wanted to scan the document and e-mail me directly, I would be gald to take a look at it for you and tell you what I think. :) Regards, Kevin -----Original Message----- From: Kentch's <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:48:42 -0600 Subject: Re: [WEX] RE: Catherine McGrath letter of reference Thanks, it's better than any thoughts I've had. I wish a person could "write" on e-mail. The word Rofs is written with a loop at the beginning of the R, the o is written small but is definitely an O, the last letter really does look like an F to my untrained eyes. the top is about as tall as the capital R then comes down in a straight line way below but it is looped on the way back up and goes to a straight angle up almost like a hook (up and a little turned at the top to the right. It could be an old S although no line drawn across it. I know about the 7. We were stationed in Germany for 5 years and the whole family came home making 7's with a line through it. Thanks again for your help. This has always been a great site. Friendly people. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] RE: Catherine McGrath letter of reference > <<<Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof>>> > > This may be Old Ross. I have seen old stylings of the letter "s" drawn very tall and thin with a dash across the center which would make someone reading it today easily mistake it for a small letter "f". It is much like some people still put a dash through the number 7 nowaydays. Just my opinion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kentch's <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:03:24 -0600 > Subject: [WEX] RE: Catherine McGrath letter of reference > > > Hi List > I am trying to transcribe about a dozen old letters that belonged to my > husbands great-grandmother. Catherine McGrath came to the US in 1858. I am > working on a reference letter she brought with her to Boston. > The reference letter was readable except I couldn't make out the heading > nor the complete signature. I would like to know if anyone could tell me where > it could be from > A little background. Catherine's parents were William (1794-1874 and > Elizabeth (1798-1869) McGrath and are buried in the Adamstown Cemetery, New > Ross, Wexford. > The letters are very faded and written in a flowery old style in English. > When Wm. wrote to her he always dated the letter in the top right followed by a > work that looks like Templenaerow. > The reference letter: > (looks like) Palace > ir (or) er Rofs 11 April > 1857 > I have known the bearer Catherine McGrath since her childhood and believe that > she is a perfectly honest sober virtuous quiet girl willing and industrious and > ready to exert herself in any way she may be employed. > Tho. Harman ?(spelling) > Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof > > Does PALACE or CURATE OF OLD ROFS mean anything to anyone? Thanks for your > help. > Donna Williams Kentch in South Dakota > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding > the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, > immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, > vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged......... > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Wexford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged.........

<<<Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof>>> This may be Old Ross. I have seen old stylings of the letter "s" drawn very tall and thin with a dash across the center which would make someone reading it today easily mistake it for a small letter "f". It is much like some people still put a dash through the number 7 nowaydays. Just my opinion. -----Original Message----- From: Kentch's <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:03:24 -0600 Subject: [WEX] RE: Catherine McGrath letter of reference Hi List I am trying to transcribe about a dozen old letters that belonged to my husbands great-grandmother. Catherine McGrath came to the US in 1858. I am working on a reference letter she brought with her to Boston. The reference letter was readable except I couldn't make out the heading nor the complete signature. I would like to know if anyone could tell me where it could be from A little background. Catherine's parents were William (1794-1874 and Elizabeth (1798-1869) McGrath and are buried in the Adamstown Cemetery, New Ross, Wexford. The letters are very faded and written in a flowery old style in English. When Wm. wrote to her he always dated the letter in the top right followed by a work that looks like Templenaerow. The reference letter: (looks like) Palace ir (or) er Rofs 11 April 1857 I have known the bearer Catherine McGrath since her childhood and believe that she is a perfectly honest sober virtuous quiet girl willing and industrious and ready to exert herself in any way she may be employed. Tho. Harman ?(spelling) Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof Does PALACE or CURATE OF OLD ROFS mean anything to anyone? Thanks for your help. Donna Williams Kentch in South Dakota ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged.........

No, I have nothing on the Cartys in Ireland at all. Once they arrived here, 1 of the sons entered attended Notre Dame University in Indiana and joined the Brothers of Notre Dame in 1872. A daughter entered Sisters of Notre Dame in 1872. Anastasia Bolger Carty and James Carty lived in Begerin, County Wexford. For me they are both a "dead end" there. Ann At 09:39 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote: >Hi Ann: do you have any data on the Carty connection, My 3rd Grt >Grandfather Pierie Sinnott born 1763 in Arklow and married Catherine Carty >15 Jul 1791 in Arklow,Wicklow. > >Edd Sinnett > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann E. Ignacio" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:59 PM >Subject: Re: [WEX] SAILING OUT OF WEXFORD > > >>Good try, but Anastasia was one of the older of the Bolgers' Wexford born >>children, and she married and had children before she and her husband >>James Carty emigrated to Wisconsin in >> The newspaper article /obit when she died in 1890 says she >> married her husband in 1854 and they emigrated in 1858. >> Someone had all the facts mixed up, unfortunately, because their >> first child was born in 1848. >> By 1857 they had 6 children! >> But I can't find a record of their emigration! >> Thanks anyway! >> They probably did come via the Great Lakes...most direct way to >> Wisconsin! >> Don't know when Edward came either, altho there's a date on his >> naturalization application. >> I know Mary Doyle Bolger, Edward's wife came in 1848 with her >> youngest 7 children. It's in "Famine Immigrants", as I mentioned in a >> previous e-mail recently. >> Ann in Iowa >> >> >>At 06:01 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote: >>>Ann >>> >>>I have a Patt Connors from Enniscorthy who married an Anastasia Bulger >>>at St John's, Newfoundland in 1850. According to the record Anastasia >>>was born in Newfoundland and I have not been able to trace her parents. >>>Don't know if it is a case where the family knew each other in Ireland. >>> >>>Jack Connors >>>May you never Forget >>>What is worth remembering >>>Or remember what is >>>Best forgotten. >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann E. Ignacio" <[email protected]> >>>To: <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:47 PM >>>Subject: Re: [WEX] SAILING OUT OF WEXFORD >>> >>> >>>>Dear Jack et al, >>>> On 21 May, 1848, my Mary Bolger and her 7 youngest children, >>>> following her husband Edward and some older children who had preceded >>>> them (date etc. unknown), emigrated from Waterford Port in the ship >>>> Margaret with a Master out of New Ross, Wexford. >>>> I found her in "Famine Immigrants", Vol 2, p. 405 and ordered >>>> the ship manifest page they were on from the NARA. >>>> >>>> I realize you are referring to the earlier immigrants, but >>>> thought I'd throw this into the brew. >>>> I don't know where in Wexford my Bolgers lived, for sure. No >>>> one I've asked seems to be able to direct me to the likely part of >>>> County Wexford. >>>> Ann in Iowa >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>At 04:00 PM 2/9/2006, you wrote: >>>>>What a great question, one that has puzzled me for many, many years. >>>>>My ancestors also left Wexford in 1816 and it has always been the >>>>>belief that they sailed from County Cork. (Presumably, they travelled >>>>>overland from Wexford.) I was always left with the understanding that >>>>>Passenger Ships did not depart from Wexford in the early 1800s, at >>>>>least, this was the explanation for Cork departure. I suppose that >>>>>does not eliminate the possibility that an ancestor may have left from >>>>>Wexford on a fishing vessel owned by some merchant who were looking >>>>>for skilled people such as Coopers in their new land.. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Jack Connors >>>>>May you never Forget >>>>>What is worth remembering >>>>>Or remember what is >>>>>Best forgotten. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >>>>>To do a search of the Wexford Archives go to >>>>>http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >>>>This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily >>>>regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration >>>>patterns, immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, >>>>wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this >>>>area is encouraged......... >>> >>> >>>==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >>>Wexford List Guidelines >>> >>>http://wexford-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >> >>==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >>Wexford List Guidelines >> >>http://wexford-l.blogspot.com/ >> >> >> >>-- >>Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/147 - Release Date: 10/24/2005 > > > >==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily >regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, >immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family >Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is >encouraged......... >

Thanks, it's better than any thoughts I've had. I wish a person could "write" on e-mail. The word Rofs is written with a loop at the beginning of the R, the o is written small but is definitely an O, the last letter really does look like an F to my untrained eyes. the top is about as tall as the capital R then comes down in a straight line way below but it is looped on the way back up and goes to a straight angle up almost like a hook (up and a little turned at the top to the right. It could be an old S although no line drawn across it. I know about the 7. We were stationed in Germany for 5 years and the whole family came home making 7's with a line through it. Thanks again for your help. This has always been a great site. Friendly people. Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 10:35 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] RE: Catherine McGrath letter of reference > <<<Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof>>> > > This may be Old Ross. I have seen old stylings of the letter "s" drawn very tall and thin with a dash across the center which would make someone reading it today easily mistake it for a small letter "f". It is much like some people still put a dash through the number 7 nowaydays. Just my opinion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kentch's <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:03:24 -0600 > Subject: [WEX] RE: Catherine McGrath letter of reference > > > Hi List > I am trying to transcribe about a dozen old letters that belonged to my > husbands great-grandmother. Catherine McGrath came to the US in 1858. I am > working on a reference letter she brought with her to Boston. > The reference letter was readable except I couldn't make out the heading > nor the complete signature. I would like to know if anyone could tell me where > it could be from > A little background. Catherine's parents were William (1794-1874 and > Elizabeth (1798-1869) McGrath and are buried in the Adamstown Cemetery, New > Ross, Wexford. > The letters are very faded and written in a flowery old style in English. > When Wm. wrote to her he always dated the letter in the top right followed by a > work that looks like Templenaerow. > The reference letter: > (looks like) Palace > ir (or) er Rofs 11 April > 1857 > I have known the bearer Catherine McGrath since her childhood and believe that > she is a perfectly honest sober virtuous quiet girl willing and industrious and > ready to exert herself in any way she may be employed. > Tho. Harman ?(spelling) > Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof > > Does PALACE or CURATE OF OLD ROFS mean anything to anyone? Thanks for your > help. > Donna Williams Kentch in South Dakota > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding > the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, > immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, > vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged......... > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Wexford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >

Hi Ann: do you have any data on the Carty connection, My 3rd Grt Grandfather Pierie Sinnott born 1763 in Arklow and married Catherine Carty 15 Jul 1791 in Arklow,Wicklow. Edd Sinnett ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann E. Ignacio" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] SAILING OUT OF WEXFORD > Good try, but Anastasia was one of the older of the Bolgers' Wexford born > children, and she married and had children before she and her husband > James Carty emigrated to Wisconsin in > The newspaper article /obit when she died in 1890 says she married > her husband in 1854 and they emigrated in 1858. > Someone had all the facts mixed up, unfortunately, because their > first child was born in 1848. > By 1857 they had 6 children! > But I can't find a record of their emigration! > Thanks anyway! > They probably did come via the Great Lakes...most direct way to > Wisconsin! > Don't know when Edward came either, altho there's a date on his > naturalization application. > I know Mary Doyle Bolger, Edward's wife came in 1848 with her > youngest 7 children. It's in "Famine Immigrants", as I mentioned in a > previous e-mail recently. > Ann in Iowa > > > At 06:01 PM 2/10/2006, you wrote: >>Ann >> >>I have a Patt Connors from Enniscorthy who married an Anastasia Bulger at >>St John's, Newfoundland in 1850. According to the record Anastasia was >>born in Newfoundland and I have not been able to trace her parents. Don't >>know if it is a case where the family knew each other in Ireland. >> >>Jack Connors >>May you never Forget >>What is worth remembering >>Or remember what is >>Best forgotten. >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann E. Ignacio" <[email protected]> >>To: <[email protected]> >>Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 7:47 PM >>Subject: Re: [WEX] SAILING OUT OF WEXFORD >> >> >>>Dear Jack et al, >>> On 21 May, 1848, my Mary Bolger and her 7 youngest children, >>> following her husband Edward and some older children who had preceded >>> them (date etc. unknown), emigrated from Waterford Port in the ship >>> Margaret with a Master out of New Ross, Wexford. >>> I found her in "Famine Immigrants", Vol 2, p. 405 and ordered >>> the ship manifest page they were on from the NARA. >>> >>> I realize you are referring to the earlier immigrants, but >>> thought I'd throw this into the brew. >>> I don't know where in Wexford my Bolgers lived, for sure. No one >>> I've asked seems to be able to direct me to the likely part of County >>> Wexford. >>> Ann in Iowa >>> >>> >>> >>>At 04:00 PM 2/9/2006, you wrote: >>>>What a great question, one that has puzzled me for many, many years. My >>>>ancestors also left Wexford in 1816 and it has always been the belief >>>>that they sailed from County Cork. (Presumably, they travelled overland >>>>from Wexford.) I was always left with the understanding that Passenger >>>>Ships did not depart from Wexford in the early 1800s, at least, this was >>>>the explanation for Cork departure. I suppose that does not eliminate >>>>the possibility that an ancestor may have left from Wexford on a fishing >>>>vessel owned by some merchant who were looking for skilled people such >>>>as Coopers in their new land.. >>>> >>>> >>>>Jack Connors >>>>May you never Forget >>>>What is worth remembering >>>>Or remember what is >>>>Best forgotten. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >>>>To do a search of the Wexford Archives go to >>>>http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >>>This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily >>>regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, >>>immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family >>>Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is >>>encouraged......... >> >> >>==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >>Wexford List Guidelines >> >>http://wexford-l.blogspot.com/ >> > > > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > Wexford List Guidelines > > http://wexford-l.blogspot.com/ > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.12.5/147 - Release Date: 10/24/2005 >

Hi List I am trying to transcribe about a dozen old letters that belonged to my husbands great-grandmother. Catherine McGrath came to the US in 1858. I am working on a reference letter she brought with her to Boston. The reference letter was readable except I couldn't make out the heading nor the complete signature. I would like to know if anyone could tell me where it could be from A little background. Catherine's parents were William (1794-1874 and Elizabeth (1798-1869) McGrath and are buried in the Adamstown Cemetery, New Ross, Wexford. The letters are very faded and written in a flowery old style in English. When Wm. wrote to her he always dated the letter in the top right followed by a work that looks like Templenaerow. The reference letter: (looks like) Palace ir (or) er Rofs 11 April 1857 I have known the bearer Catherine McGrath since her childhood and believe that she is a perfectly honest sober virtuous quiet girl willing and industrious and ready to exert herself in any way she may be employed. Tho. Harman ?(spelling) Curate of Old Rofs (or) Rof Does PALACE or CURATE OF OLD ROFS mean anything to anyone? Thanks for your help. Donna Williams Kentch in South Dakota