To my knowledge, none of the Whitty's came to the US until my mother & grandmother came in 1924, but that doesn't mean there was info that was not transmitted to me by them. We have traced a lot of the family back to the 1600's on my grandfather's side, but I have less info on my grandmother's side, which is the Kehoe/Whitty side. I can go back to Andrew Kehoe married to Sarah Whitty, but I haven't research that side. Let's do somemore hunting and stay in touch. Thanks, Deirdre

Thanks Cyril, Actually this tradition also was used in many parts of Europe and came to the US with the many emigrants. this was often used in naming patterns here until the early to mid 1900's. What a nice tradition. Regards, Joan In a message dated 3/21/2006 3:29:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: In response to Tina and others, Joan has it covered to a degree, usually it works this way: Children within a family were traditionally named according to the following pattern although sometimes they would deviate from this, not often though! More often than not, when this deviation occurred it's as Joan explained. First son after the father's father Second son after mother's father Third son after the father Fourth son after the father's eldest brother Fifth son after mother's eldest brother First daughter after the mother's mother (or father's mother) Second daughter after the father's mother (or mother's mother) Third daughter after the mother Fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister Fifth daughter after the father's eldest sister It is more common these days, with odd names such as Shane, Wayne, Wendy etc. (not traditional Irish at all), that I can see the naming patterns changing for good, not necessarily for the better! (Another tradition dying out). It's more confusing still, when a father and son have the same name and the younger is called Jnr. and the name becomes the norm within the living family. Other confusions come about with people being known as JJ (John Joseph) or PJ. (Patrick John, or Joseph) Mathew becomes Murt, or whatever! Confusing isn't it? But fun! slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > > > > Hi Tina, > I think you have the son's naming pattern correct but the first daughter was > named after the mother's mother, so Elizabeth was probably her maternal > grandmother's name and so on. Just to really confuse things this whole pattern > could change if there was a death of a child or other close family member and > the next baby would be named after that person in their honor. Hope this > isn't too confusing. Regards, Joan in New Jersey > > > > > In a message dated 3/21/2006 12:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I wonder if you could help me with the Irish naming system. > I gather that the tradition was/is that the eldest boy is named after the > father's father - ie baby's Paternal grandfather and that the next oldest > boy is > named after the mother's father - ie baby's maternal grandfather. Does that > work with the girls? ie is the eldest girl named after the father's mother > and > the next girl is named after the mother's mother? > My grandmother Elizabeth Doyle was the eldest child, so can I presume that > her father's mother was also Elizabeth and that therefore my GGgrandfather > Edward Doyle was married to an Elizabeth? And that then would follow that > the next > girl born was named Margaret so therefore my GGgrandfather Patrick Murphy > was > married to a Margaret? ( Lawrence and Mary followed the tradition when > naming > the boys, Edward was the eldest boy and Patrick was the next one) > Hope you don't mind my asking, but you seem to be a fount of knowledge about > these things and I don't know where to go next!!!!!! > Tina > > > > > > > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged......... > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== DO NOT post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc.

In response to Tina and others, Joan has it covered to a degree, usually it works this way: Children within a family were traditionally named according to the following pattern although sometimes they would deviate from this, not often though! More often than not, when this deviation occurred it's as Joan explained. First son after the father's father Second son after mother's father Third son after the father Fourth son after the father's eldest brother Fifth son after mother's eldest brother First daughter after the mother's mother (or father's mother) Second daughter after the father's mother (or mother's mother) Third daughter after the mother Fourth daughter after the mother's eldest sister Fifth daughter after the father's eldest sister It is more common these days, with odd names such as Shane, Wayne, Wendy etc. (not traditional Irish at all), that I can see the naming patterns changing for good, not necessarily for the better! (Another tradition dying out). It's more confusing still, when a father and son have the same name and the younger is called Jnr. and the name becomes the norm within the living family. Other confusions come about with people being known as JJ (John Joseph) or PJ. (Patrick John, or Joseph) Mathew becomes Murt, or whatever! Confusing isn't it? But fun! slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > > > > Hi Tina, > I think you have the son's naming pattern correct but the first daughter was > named after the mother's mother, so Elizabeth was probably her maternal > grandmother's name and so on. Just to really confuse things this whole pattern > could change if there was a death of a child or other close family member and > the next baby would be named after that person in their honor. Hope this > isn't too confusing. Regards, Joan in New Jersey > > > > > In a message dated 3/21/2006 12:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I wonder if you could help me with the Irish naming system. > I gather that the tradition was/is that the eldest boy is named after the > father's father - ie baby's Paternal grandfather and that the next oldest > boy is > named after the mother's father - ie baby's maternal grandfather. Does that > work with the girls? ie is the eldest girl named after the father's mother > and > the next girl is named after the mother's mother? > My grandmother Elizabeth Doyle was the eldest child, so can I presume that > her father's mother was also Elizabeth and that therefore my GGgrandfather > Edward Doyle was married to an Elizabeth? And that then would follow that > the next > girl born was named Margaret so therefore my GGgrandfather Patrick Murphy > was > married to a Margaret? ( Lawrence and Mary followed the tradition when > naming > the boys, Edward was the eldest boy and Patrick was the next one) > Hope you don't mind my asking, but you seem to be a fount of knowledge about > these things and I don't know where to go next!!!!!! > Tina > > > > > > > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged......... > > >

Just to complicate matters what about when the first son has two names ie Patrick Francis and the eldest daughter is named Mary Jane their parents name was John and Mary, its all a bit Irish to me . John and Mary's religion was RC . Regards Bill Stafford -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 March 2006 17:36 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle Cyril, I wonder if you could help me with the Irish naming system. I gather that the tradition was/is that the eldest boy is named after the father's father - ie baby's Paternal grandfather and that the next oldest boy is named after the mother's father - ie baby's maternal grandfather. Does that work with the girls? ie is the eldest girl named after the father's mother and the next girl is named after the mother's mother? My grandmother Elizabeth Doyle was the eldest child, so can I presume that her father's mother was also Elizabeth and that therefore my GGgrandfather Edward Doyle was married to an Elizabeth? And that then would follow that the next girl born was named Margaret so therefore my GGgrandfather Patrick Murphy was married to a Margaret? ( Lawrence and Mary followed the tradition when naming the boys, Edward was the eldest boy and Patrick was the next one) Hope you don't mind my asking, but you seem to be a fount of knowledge about these things and I don't know where to go next!!!!!! Tina ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== DO NOT post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc.

Hi Tina, I think you have the son's naming pattern correct but the first daughter was named after the mother's mother, so Elizabeth was probably her maternal grandmother's name and so on. Just to really confuse things this whole pattern could change if there was a death of a child or other close family member and the next baby would be named after that person in their honor. Hope this isn't too confusing. Regards, Joan in New Jersey In a message dated 3/21/2006 12:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I wonder if you could help me with the Irish naming system. I gather that the tradition was/is that the eldest boy is named after the father's father - ie baby's Paternal grandfather and that the next oldest boy is named after the mother's father - ie baby's maternal grandfather. Does that work with the girls? ie is the eldest girl named after the father's mother and the next girl is named after the mother's mother? My grandmother Elizabeth Doyle was the eldest child, so can I presume that her father's mother was also Elizabeth and that therefore my GGgrandfather Edward Doyle was married to an Elizabeth? And that then would follow that the next girl born was named Margaret so therefore my GGgrandfather Patrick Murphy was married to a Margaret? ( Lawrence and Mary followed the tradition when naming the boys, Edward was the eldest boy and Patrick was the next one) Hope you don't mind my asking, but you seem to be a fount of knowledge about these things and I don't know where to go next!!!!!! Tina

Hi Cyril Many thanks for that info Regards Bill Stafford -----Original Message----- From: Cyril Newsome [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 21 March 2006 00:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WEX] Stafford Research in Crossabeg and Kitestown Hi Bill, If I'm not mistaken, the Parish Records for Crossabeg start sometime around the late 1790's for baptisms? Marriages are about the same time and there are a few burials within the Parish Records but not many, maybe a year or so. (Re; The Burial books for this parish I haven't a clue as to their whereabouts). I don't think even the County Council has a clue? I don't personally have a record of any Stafford's in Crossabeg but I do have some Murphy's: Laurence Murphy in Artramon Townland and two Stephen's in Artramon but these are in the 1850 period (Griffiths' Valuation). Without going through the Parish Records I couldn't give you any more at this time. I've tried on a number of occasions to visit the priest there but can never seem to get him in. Sorry I cannot be of more help (for now). slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman... ----- Original Message ----- From: " WILLIAM STAFFORD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: [WEX] Stafford Research in Crossabeg and Kitestown > Hi Cyril > I have appreciated your advice and assistance that you have given to various > members of the Wexford Roots Web and the map of Wexford is very informative > and of great interest. I am researching the Stafford family who I believe > originated from Crossabeg. Patrick Francis Stafford DOB 2nd or 4th Oct 1866 > 956 Crossabeg and his Parents were John Stafford [DOB abt 1835 ??? ] and > Mary [nee MURPHY] and the date of their marriage was 1865. Do you have any > information or leads to John Stafford's Parents. > regards > Bill Stafford > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > Wexford List Guidelines > > http://wexford-l.blogspot.com/ > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged.........

I know there are few wills available for this time period, but I have the following reference: IRISH WILLS INDEX - Wills are deposited at Master of Rolls of Record Office of Four Courts in Dublin (as of this 1909 book) 1601-1800 Ferns Diocese: GIRD, William - Wexford 1793 (probate) Can anyone tell me if these wills or probate records might still exist somewhere? Many thanks, Barb ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > Cyril, > I wonder if you could help me with the Irish naming system. > I gather that the tradition was/is that the eldest boy is named after the > father's father - ie baby's Paternal grandfather and that the next oldest > boy is > named after the mother's father - ie baby's maternal grandfather. Does > that > work with the girls? ie is the eldest girl named after the father's mother > and > the next girl is named after the mother's mother? > My grandmother Elizabeth Doyle was the eldest child, so can I presume that > her father's mother was also Elizabeth and that therefore my GGgrandfather > Edward Doyle was married to an Elizabeth? And that then would follow that > the next > girl born was named Margaret so therefore my GGgrandfather Patrick Murphy > was > married to a Margaret? ( Lawrence and Mary followed the tradition when > naming > the boys, Edward was the eldest boy and Patrick was the next one) > Hope you don't mind my asking, but you seem to be a fount of knowledge > about > these things and I don't know where to go next!!!!!! > Tina > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > DO NOT post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc. >

Cyril, I wonder if you could help me with the Irish naming system. I gather that the tradition was/is that the eldest boy is named after the father's father - ie baby's Paternal grandfather and that the next oldest boy is named after the mother's father - ie baby's maternal grandfather. Does that work with the girls? ie is the eldest girl named after the father's mother and the next girl is named after the mother's mother? My grandmother Elizabeth Doyle was the eldest child, so can I presume that her father's mother was also Elizabeth and that therefore my GGgrandfather Edward Doyle was married to an Elizabeth? And that then would follow that the next girl born was named Margaret so therefore my GGgrandfather Patrick Murphy was married to a Margaret? ( Lawrence and Mary followed the tradition when naming the boys, Edward was the eldest boy and Patrick was the next one) Hope you don't mind my asking, but you seem to be a fount of knowledge about these things and I don't know where to go next!!!!!! Tina

One cannot help but use the information they have Tina. Unfortunately we all make mistakes when transcribing information even me! We can only go on what we have in the first place. I wouldn't worry about it as someone somewhere will pick up on it and we always try to offer the alternative. Even then, we can be wrong in doing that. I get confused myself sometimes in the fact that one of our local Townlands here (one in which I lived in fact), has three different signs put up by the County Council, all spelling the village three different ways! How they managed that one I don't know? I must feel sorry for the people who don't know the area or are trying to map read. slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > Hi Cyril, > I do hope I haven't mislead anyone: I will quote EXACTLY what I have got here > on this form, I have a feeling it is something to do with Griffiths > Valuations; > Quote:- > 24061875 DOYLE ELIZABETH LAWRENCE MARY MURPHY MONAGRENA > from which I gleaned that my grandmother's father was Lawrence Doyle, married > to Mary Murphy living at the Townland of Monagrena. I believe these to be > copies of DOYLE baptisms taken from the registers of Moanagear Roman Catholic > Parish( I have just found the 3 year old email!!!) Celestine at the Wexford > Library also told me that the Townland they were living at was probably Monagreany > Lower and that the Catholic Curacy was Monageer. So I don't know where > 'Monagrena' came from!! > Can you sort that one out?!!! > My conundrm is that it seems MURPHYs were living at what I thought was my > ancestral Townland of Ballytracey, but as Celastine suggested, the DOYLEs were > next door at Monagreany Lower and when Laurence married Mary Murphy they moved > in to Ballytracey: esp. as the marriage cert shows them both living at > Ballytracey. I know that townland was in my family's possession until about 20 years > ago. > I am trying to find the wife of Edward Doyle, who was father of my Laurence > and the wife of Patrick Murphy who was father to Mary.( the marriage was at > Boolavogue Catholic Chapel on June 9th 1874) > Thanks for your interest. > Tina > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged......... > > >

Not to worry.....won't tell them you or Tina sent me....Thanks. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyril Newsome" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:38 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > Tina, > > The Wexford Co. Library is nowhere near the Registrars office! It's only a > brisk 15 minutes walk though (if you are not on a stick like myself). The > Registrar is located at the South Eastern Health Board, Grogans Road, > Wexford. > > (Marilyn, don't tell them I sent you!) > > > slan > Cyril Newsome > Loch Garman > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:46 PM > Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > > >> Hi Marilyn, >> Have you thought about contacting Wexford County Library? I did, a couple > of >> years ago and the then librarian found the family I think and put me in > touch >> with the Registry Office which is next door. I contacted them and they > sent >> me a copy of my G grandparents marriage cert., which of course told me >> who > my >> GGgrandfathers were; sadly I am STILL trying to find the mothers on each > side!! >> I think the cert. cost me about 7 -10 Euros - which I purchased from my > bank. >> The Wexford Library site is :- [email protected] >> I can't remember the address of the Registry Office but I'm sure the > Library >> would tell you. >> Hope this is of use. >> Tina >> >> >> ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >> DO NOT post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc. >> >> >> > > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > To do a search of the Wexford Archives go to > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > >

Hi, I noticed that you have Kehoes in your family. My family has a Joseph Keough/Kehoe born abt. 1811 in Co. Wexford. I assume that he was born there. On a death certificate for his 1st wife, it says Joseph Keough of Co. Wexford. I don't know anything about him except he and his family came to Newfoundland in the early 1800s. His family were ship builders and sailors. He later went to New York then New Orleans. Could this be part of your Kehoe? Thanks for your help. Margaret [email protected] [email protected] wrote: Sarah Whitty was married to my great-grandfather in either Dundalk, Co. Louth, or in the Wexford/Carlow area. We are trying to research it. I believe she married Thomas Kehoe. I will look tonight. I am also looking for Andrew Kehoe. My grandmother was Elizabeth Kehoe married to Edw. Kennelly in Liverpool, & then they moved back to Dundalk. He was a seaman. Look forward to any info. Deirdre ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration patterns, immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is encouraged......... --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments.

Tina, The Wexford Co. Library is nowhere near the Registrars office! It's only a brisk 15 minutes walk though (if you are not on a stick like myself). The Registrar is located at the South Eastern Health Board, Grogans Road, Wexford. (Marilyn, don't tell them I sent you!) slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > Hi Marilyn, > Have you thought about contacting Wexford County Library? I did, a couple of > years ago and the then librarian found the family I think and put me in touch > with the Registry Office which is next door. I contacted them and they sent > me a copy of my G grandparents marriage cert., which of course told me who my > GGgrandfathers were; sadly I am STILL trying to find the mothers on each side!! > I think the cert. cost me about 7 -10 Euros - which I purchased from my bank. > The Wexford Library site is :- [email protected] > I can't remember the address of the Registry Office but I'm sure the Library > would tell you. > Hope this is of use. > Tina > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > DO NOT post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc. > > >

Hi Bill, If I'm not mistaken, the Parish Records for Crossabeg start sometime around the late 1790's for baptisms? Marriages are about the same time and there are a few burials within the Parish Records but not many, maybe a year or so. (Re; The Burial books for this parish I haven't a clue as to their whereabouts). I don't think even the County Council has a clue? I don't personally have a record of any Stafford's in Crossabeg but I do have some Murphy's: Laurence Murphy in Artramon Townland and two Stephen's in Artramon but these are in the 1850 period (Griffiths' Valuation). Without going through the Parish Records I couldn't give you any more at this time. I've tried on a number of occasions to visit the priest there but can never seem to get him in. Sorry I cannot be of more help (for now). slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman... ----- Original Message ----- From: " WILLIAM STAFFORD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 7:34 PM Subject: [WEX] Stafford Research in Crossabeg and Kitestown > Hi Cyril > I have appreciated your advice and assistance that you have given to various > members of the Wexford Roots Web and the map of Wexford is very informative > and of great interest. I am researching the Stafford family who I believe > originated from Crossabeg. Patrick Francis Stafford DOB 2nd or 4th Oct 1866 > 956 Crossabeg and his Parents were John Stafford [DOB abt 1835 ??? ] and > Mary [nee MURPHY] and the date of their marriage was 1865. Do you have any > information or leads to John Stafford's Parents. > regards > Bill Stafford > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > Wexford List Guidelines > > http://wexford-l.blogspot.com/ > > >

You are more than welcome Marilyn. We try to please as best we can... slan Cyril Newsome Loch Garman... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Shanahan" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > Thank you Cyril...much appreciated. > Mairlyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Cyril Newsome" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:01 PM > Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > > > > Hi Marilyn, > > > > It just means that they have a record for the marriage. > > > > If you have something like the Family Tree Maker program, you would enter > > a > > similar thing into your own records to say where you got your information > > from, just for your own reference (well I do anyway). > > > > slan > > Cyril Newsome > > Loch Garman. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Marilyn Shanahan" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:49 PM > > Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > > > > > >> Thank you Cyril for explaining the similarities between Wexford and > > Wexford > >> town. > >> One question: The following is the marriage record from County Wexford > > and > >> the Heritage and Genealogy Society > >> Husband Surname DOYLE > >> Husband Firstname JOHN > >> Wife Surname REDMOND > >> Wife Firstname BRIDGET > >> Source year 1833 > >> Source M > >> Centre Co. Wexford Heritage and Genealogy Society > >> What does the Source "M" stand for: > >> Maybe that would help me. > >> Marilyn > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Cyril Newsome" <[email protected]> > >> To: <[email protected]> > >> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:51 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > >> > >> > >> > Now if you work on the basis of the naming pattern and he follows his > >> > father > >> > as a John Doyle, there are 136 John Doyle's as head of household listed > > in > >> > Griffiths' Valuation of Wexford between 1848 - 1864. > >> > > >> > I could give you every one of the Heads of household in Griffiths', but > >> > unless we can identify an area you could be looking forever and it > >> > could > >> > cost you a fortune in getting someone to do a lookup for you. > >> > > >> > Now you say "The only other fact I know about John and Bridget Doyle is > >> > that > >> > they were married in Wexford in 1833". > >> > > >> > To us here in Co.Wexford, we would take this to mean that they were > >> > actually > >> > married in the vicinity of Wexford Town! > >> > > >> > If this was the case? The odds are shortened, to there being only 15 > > John > >> > Doyle's as HOH in Wexford Town area for this same period (given we had > > the > >> > same conditions of the naming pattern as above) and subject also to the > >> > fact > >> > his father was alive and kicking at the time of Griffiths' being taken. > >> > > >> > The margin of error otherwise is too great to make wild guesses and > >> > greatly > >> > affects any research expenses. > >> > > >> > I'm sure Tina that you also meant either Monagear or Monagreany? > >> > > >> > slan > >> > Cyril Newsome > >> > Loch Garman. > >> > > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Marilyn Shanahan" <[email protected]> > >> > To: <[email protected]> > >> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:47 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > >> > > >> > > >> >> Hi Tina: > >> >> Thanks for the information...now I at least have an area to research > >> >> from. > >> >> The only other fact I know about John and Bridget Doyle is that they > > were > >> >> married in Wexford in 1833. Maybe that will be of some help in > >> >> tracing > >> >> them, or other children they may have had. I only know about > >> >> ggrandmother > >> >> Margaret, as she married ggrandfather James Shanahan (also county > >> >> unknown) > >> >> in Chicago, Ill. Since she died young, her children were raised by > >> >> her > >> >> sister, Mary who also lived in Chicago. This is the only piece of > >> >> information that I have right now. But thanking you, and hopefully we > >> >> can > >> >> find a connection somewhere down the line. > >> >> Good luck. > >> >> Marilyn > >> >> Chicago, Ill > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: <[email protected]> > >> >> To: <[email protected]> > >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:00 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Hi Marilyn, > >> >> > I have found several DOYLE/REDMOND couples with children registered > > in > >> > the > >> >> > Wexford region - one at the same Townland as mine! - Monagrena - > >> >> > and > >> > one > >> >> > at a > >> >> > possible nearby Townland - Harrow .Other Townlands mentioned are ' > >> >> > Carrigeen; > >> >> > Clone and Tobergal; all of them appear to be in the same region as > > my > >> >> > Townlands - my main one is Ballytracey. However none of the births > > had > >> >> > a > >> >> > Bridget > >> >> > Redmond as mother, neither can I find Margaret or Mary's births for > > the > >> >> > years you > >> >> > gave. However, that doesn't mean they are not correct, it's just > >> >> > that > >> > they > >> >> > are > >> >> > not on this particular list I have, which I think is of R.C. > >> > registations > >> >> > in > >> >> > the area. > >> >> > I am not sure where I this list came from as it was emailed to me a > >> > couple > >> >> > of > >> >> > years ago by a friend, though I think it may be something to do with > >> >> > Griffiths Valuations. > >> >> > Tina > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > >> >> > The Wexford Surnames List can be found at > >> >> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/wexford.html > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > >> >> This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > >> > regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration > >> > patterns, > >> > immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family > >> > Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is > >> > encouraged......... > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > >> > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily > >> > regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. 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Hi Cyril I have appreciated your advice and assistance that you have given to various members of the Wexford Roots Web and the map of Wexford is very informative and of great interest. I am researching the Stafford family who I believe originated from Crossabeg. Patrick Francis Stafford DOB 2nd or 4th Oct 1866 956 Crossabeg and his Parents were John Stafford [DOB abt 1835 ??? ] and Mary [nee MURPHY] and the date of their marriage was 1865. Do you have any information or leads to John Stafford's Parents. regards Bill Stafford

Thanks so much Tina. I was just going to give up the search. Haven't tried this method, but I certainly will give it a go. Appreciate your message and will let you know what - if anything - I come up with. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > Hi Marilyn, > Have you thought about contacting Wexford County Library? I did, a couple > of > years ago and the then librarian found the family I think and put me in > touch > with the Registry Office which is next door. I contacted them and they > sent > me a copy of my G grandparents marriage cert., which of course told me who > my > GGgrandfathers were; sadly I am STILL trying to find the mothers on each > side!! > I think the cert. cost me about 7 -10 Euros - which I purchased from my > bank. > The Wexford Library site is :- [email protected] > I can't remember the address of the Registry Office but I'm sure the > Library > would tell you. > Hope this is of use. > Tina > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > DO NOT post virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, items for sale, personal messages, etc. > >

Sorry Bill, can't help I'm afraid. Tina

Hi Cyril, I do hope I haven't mislead anyone: I will quote EXACTLY what I have got here on this form, I have a feeling it is something to do with Griffiths Valuations; Quote:- 24061875 DOYLE ELIZABETH LAWRENCE MARY MURPHY MONAGRENA from which I gleaned that my grandmother's father was Lawrence Doyle, married to Mary Murphy living at the Townland of Monagrena. I believe these to be copies of DOYLE baptisms taken from the registers of Moanagear Roman Catholic Parish( I have just found the 3 year old email!!!) Celestine at the Wexford Library also told me that the Townland they were living at was probably Monagreany Lower and that the Catholic Curacy was Monageer. So I don't know where 'Monagrena' came from!! Can you sort that one out?!!! My conundrm is that it seems MURPHYs were living at what I thought was my ancestral Townland of Ballytracey, but as Celastine suggested, the DOYLEs were next door at Monagreany Lower and when Laurence married Mary Murphy they moved in to Ballytracey: esp. as the marriage cert shows them both living at Ballytracey. I know that townland was in my family's possession until about 20 years ago. I am trying to find the wife of Edward Doyle, who was father of my Laurence and the wife of Patrick Murphy who was father to Mary.( the marriage was at Boolavogue Catholic Chapel on June 9th 1874) Thanks for your interest. Tina

Hi Marilyn, Have you thought about contacting Wexford County Library? I did, a couple of years ago and the then librarian found the family I think and put me in touch with the Registry Office which is next door. I contacted them and they sent me a copy of my G grandparents marriage cert., which of course told me who my GGgrandfathers were; sadly I am STILL trying to find the mothers on each side!! I think the cert. cost me about 7 -10 Euros - which I purchased from my bank. The Wexford Library site is :- [email protected] I can't remember the address of the Registry Office but I'm sure the Library would tell you. Hope this is of use. Tina

Thank you Cyril...much appreciated. Mairlyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cyril Newsome" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > Hi Marilyn, > > It just means that they have a record for the marriage. > > If you have something like the Family Tree Maker program, you would enter > a > similar thing into your own records to say where you got your information > from, just for your own reference (well I do anyway). > > slan > Cyril Newsome > Loch Garman. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Shanahan" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle > > >> Thank you Cyril for explaining the similarities between Wexford and > Wexford >> town. >> One question: The following is the marriage record from County Wexford > and >> the Heritage and Genealogy Society >> Husband Surname DOYLE >> Husband Firstname JOHN >> Wife Surname REDMOND >> Wife Firstname BRIDGET >> Source year 1833 >> Source M >> Centre Co. Wexford Heritage and Genealogy Society >> What does the Source "M" stand for: >> Maybe that would help me. >> Marilyn >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Cyril Newsome" <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 12:51 PM >> Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle >> >> >> > Now if you work on the basis of the naming pattern and he follows his >> > father >> > as a John Doyle, there are 136 John Doyle's as head of household listed > in >> > Griffiths' Valuation of Wexford between 1848 - 1864. >> > >> > I could give you every one of the Heads of household in Griffiths', but >> > unless we can identify an area you could be looking forever and it >> > could >> > cost you a fortune in getting someone to do a lookup for you. >> > >> > Now you say "The only other fact I know about John and Bridget Doyle is >> > that >> > they were married in Wexford in 1833". >> > >> > To us here in Co.Wexford, we would take this to mean that they were >> > actually >> > married in the vicinity of Wexford Town! >> > >> > If this was the case? The odds are shortened, to there being only 15 > John >> > Doyle's as HOH in Wexford Town area for this same period (given we had > the >> > same conditions of the naming pattern as above) and subject also to the >> > fact >> > his father was alive and kicking at the time of Griffiths' being taken. >> > >> > The margin of error otherwise is too great to make wild guesses and >> > greatly >> > affects any research expenses. >> > >> > I'm sure Tina that you also meant either Monagear or Monagreany? >> > >> > slan >> > Cyril Newsome >> > Loch Garman. >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Marilyn Shanahan" <[email protected]> >> > To: <[email protected]> >> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 5:47 PM >> > Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle >> > >> > >> >> Hi Tina: >> >> Thanks for the information...now I at least have an area to research >> >> from. >> >> The only other fact I know about John and Bridget Doyle is that they > were >> >> married in Wexford in 1833. Maybe that will be of some help in >> >> tracing >> >> them, or other children they may have had. I only know about >> >> ggrandmother >> >> Margaret, as she married ggrandfather James Shanahan (also county >> >> unknown) >> >> in Chicago, Ill. Since she died young, her children were raised by >> >> her >> >> sister, Mary who also lived in Chicago. This is the only piece of >> >> information that I have right now. But thanking you, and hopefully we >> >> can >> >> find a connection somewhere down the line. >> >> Good luck. >> >> Marilyn >> >> Chicago, Ill >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: <[email protected]> >> >> To: <[email protected]> >> >> Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2006 7:00 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WEX] Doyle >> >> >> >> >> >> > Hi Marilyn, >> >> > I have found several DOYLE/REDMOND couples with children registered > in >> > the >> >> > Wexford region - one at the same Townland as mine! - Monagrena - >> >> > and >> > one >> >> > at a >> >> > possible nearby Townland - Harrow .Other Townlands mentioned are ' >> >> > Carrigeen; >> >> > Clone and Tobergal; all of them appear to be in the same region as > my >> >> > Townlands - my main one is Ballytracey. However none of the births > had >> >> > a >> >> > Bridget >> >> > Redmond as mother, neither can I find Margaret or Mary's births for > the >> >> > years you >> >> > gave. However, that doesn't mean they are not correct, it's just >> >> > that >> > they >> >> > are >> >> > not on this particular list I have, which I think is of R.C. >> > registations >> >> > in >> >> > the area. >> >> > I am not sure where I this list came from as it was emailed to me a >> > couple >> >> > of >> >> > years ago by a friend, though I think it may be something to do with >> >> > Griffiths Valuations. >> >> > Tina >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >> >> > The Wexford Surnames List can be found at >> >> > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/wexford.html >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >> >> This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily >> > regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration >> > patterns, >> > immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family >> > Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is >> > encouraged......... >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >> > This list is for the discussion of Genealogy and History, primarily >> > regarding the Wexford area in Ireland. Discussion of migration >> > patterns, >> > immigration,heraldry, historical sketches, census data, wills, family >> > Bibles, vital records, web sites, etc. involving this area is >> > encouraged......... >> > >> >> >> >> ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== >> The Wexford Surnames List can be found at >> http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/wexford.html >> >> >> > > > > ==== WEXFORD Mailing List ==== > The Wexford Surnames List can be found at > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hughw/wexford.html > >