dear Fred, I LIKE meeting like this...One doesn't see the warts that way Now seriously, this is very strange ..I am going to paste something I wrote to Tim WESTHALL yesterday, following his question of where and or how I fit in.. ****************************************************************************** **************************************** Re the WESTALL etc lineage, oh my, somewhere if ever you find a marriage between a WESTALL and a WHERRELL, then that is possibly where I come into, but I am a researcher and once I get the bit between my teeth there is [or really now, was] no stopping me. Having said that...I am seemingly connected to so many families in the Aldbourne/Ramsbury/Baydon and Lambourne areas, to name a few round there. The irony of all of this is, during 'our' working life my husband was transferred to his company's newly built HQ in Swindon, we chose the little village of Chiseldon to live in. Some 10 years later we were in the USA and I was searching for one set of gt grandparents who I thought were from Manchester, Lancs, I was waiting for the LDS to produce their fiche of the 1881 census and of course Lancashire was the very last to come out, imagine how surprised I was to not find them there.. So ! Knowing where they had ended up, I started to look county by county, going south, and found them in Stoke on Trent...to my utmost and I mean UTMOST surprise gt granny had been born in Aldbourne, and as they say 'the rest is History'...I cannot think just how many relatives I have found, including, and this is where you say "Oooh, Ahh, Lovely.... I discovered that my gt, gt, gt grandparents had been married and had some of their babies baptised in Chiseldon Church, where I had taken Adult Confirmation... ****************************************************************************** ******************************************** Back to now...after Chiseldon my husband took early retirement and we moved to southern Spain for 6 years, then when our elder daughter, who had emigrated to the USA as had our younger, started her family we decided to give this place a try and here we are in South Texas, just outside of Houston. Not certain really how I can explain my research standards. I have always loved Genealogy and for 15 years worked in the LDS Family History Centre here in our town, loosely called "Their British Expert" [I began my interest in FH when I was about 20 I think it was and started really in earnest when we moved to Brighton in 1959, when I talked to my father in law and he told me stories of his childhood in Devon, I discovered various people with his last name had lived in Brighton and so it took off]. When we lived in the UK I worked, always on a voluntary basis, for the Society of Genealogists, in their ' extraction from Parish registers programme' and also at one time for a Brigadier GOLDSBY at the Bodleian Library in Oxford. Was an early member of the Guild Of One Name Studies and also a founder member in the Wiltshire Family History Society, when it broke away from the Bristol and Avon F.H S., so as you can see, I have been in and around it for a long, long time. {if you know of them, Marjorie and Richard MOORE, Jean COLE, Beryl HURLEY and so on were all my friends} [Gosh only Richard left, he was here with us 2 years ago, never again, the man has become impossible..] Oh dear, I should not have said that! My normal method of research is to use only original sources, but as you know that is not always easy. I have copies of most of the Ramsbury PR's, as well as various other ones and lots and lots of other papers etc. I do not want to dismay you, but so far I have not been onto the Rootsweb site for WESTALL....I may, if I decide, one day to do this, but I prefer the contact with people, such as yourself.. I hope that I have not gone on too much, and I didn't want to 'blow my own trumpet' but I wanted to let you know where I stand. Basically I work on my own and this is the first time I have joined a 'Group' such as yours..".Independent Annie" I suppose you could call me.! Bye for now, I see others from Bob and maybe one more from you.. Beryl In a message dated 3/12/2009 5:01:03 P.M. Central Daylight Time, fred_westall@msn.com writes: Beryl, We'll have to stop meeting like this! ;0) I agree with your hypothesis completely William Westall (1806) was the son of Thomas Westall (1770) and Sarah Bray (1766). I don't have a spouse for this particular William. William Westall (1809, Lambourne) was the son of David Westall (1783) and Anne Marshall (1784). They married 10 Oct 1808. This William (1809) married Elizabeth Addis (1815) on 18 Nov 1837 in Baydon. This would make him my 2nd cousin 4x removed. Sorry but I don't live in Wiltshire. I should do as it very much my 'ancestral seat'. My folks migrated with the canals to Gloucestershire and then to Wales, where I was born. I then migrated about the World and ended up near Manchester, which I guess I would claim as my spiritual home! Many people have helped me with my family history over the last couple of years for which I am very grateful and I acknowledge their diligence and careful research. They know who they are. On the other hand, I must say all errors and omissions are usually mine. Fred -------------------------------------------------- From: <Bdm2918@aol.com> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:39 PM To: <westall@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Henry William Westall > Fred, > Thanks for the suggestion and your thoughts. > I have John 1795 Bishopstone son of Abraham etc, but had not connected him > with any marriage so far. > I will have another dig and see what I can come up with...I really was > trying to make a short cut....However..as you know, one must carry on > digging and > see what if anything else turns up. > > Now another thing, and I am sure that I have it right now, but if I can > here > is what had been bothering me. > It concerns a William WESTALL, born 1809 in Lambourne, son of David and > Ann > [Nee MARSHALL], I think he is the one who married Elizabeth ADDIS in > Lambourne > and had a bunch of little ones. > I HAVE had William born 1806, Baydon, son of Thomas and Sarah [nee BRAY] > as > the one married to Elizabeth ADDIS until another run through of the 1861 > census today. > Do you agree with me ? > We had new carpet installed last July and since then I have not been able > to > find one or two of my files holding my census and other papers, they were > all > taken out of here and put somewhere, that was OK, but as I was not too > well > afterwards my husband very helpfully shoved everything back in any old > place > ! Now I find I spend a lot of time searching for papers not having a clue > where they can be.. > But..I love him dearly and can't really be cross with him... > Another point I rather think that at one point I sort of gave up > researching > WESTALL's as other names cropped up and I went with that research, so it > is > possible that I have not done as much on them as I could have done. > Bye for now, > Are you in Wilts ? > Beryl > > > In a message dated 3/12/2009 4:11:56 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > fred_westall@msn.com writes: > > Beryl, > He he ... I think you got me there! Probably you're right - but I could > be > too. ;0) This one will need a vote from everyone on WESTALL-L I think. > I have the mysterious John Westall as John Wells Westall (bap. 11 Oct > 1826 > in St Peter and St Paul, Marlborough). The age of 66 given in the 1891 > census would tie in with this. I also have his wife as Sarah Ann, but I > don't know her maiden name yet (I can't find it in GRO). I believe the > parents of this particular John Westall were John Westall (1795, > Bishopstone) and Elizabeth New (1802, Marlborough). John snrs parents > were > Abraham Westall and Martha Jones. They married 21 Jul 1792 in > Bishopstone. > All speculative I'm afraid, but I try not to let the facts get in the way > of > a good theory! ;o) > Fred > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <Bdm2918@aol.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:32 PM > To: <westall@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Henry William Westall > >> Fred, >> I see what you say, but I don't think so, somehow...sorry, but look at >> the >> age though, do you not think it could be, may be, is ??? possible that >> Richard >> son of Mark is a bit old...AND, if I dare, why not name their children >> with >> more family names, following tradition etc..Just thoughts [plus not >> wanting my >> own deductions to be wrong, of course !!!]. >> >> Now Fred I have one for you, please, In the 1891 in Ramsbury, census >> there >> is a John WESTALL with wife Sarah Ann and children Florence Elizabeth, >> Thomas, Henry, Charles and John James, in the PR's there is a Private >> Baptism of >> Joseph Eli, 16 Aug 1887 and not surprisingly a burial for him 27 Aug >> 1887. >> >> John is supposed to be 66 and Sarah Ann 44, in 1891. >> >> Do you have ay idea which John this could be and his wife's maiden name >> as >> I >> cannot find any marriage for them, or trace of him. >> I must add that I am still going through the PR's and census adding bits >> as >> I go. >> Many thanks, >> Bryl >> >> In a message dated 3/12/2009 12:49:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, >> fred_westall@msn.com writes: >> >> Bob, >> A Scottish birth certificate would be even better! ;o) >> >> All the usual caveats apply with this ... >> >> I believe Richard Westall (bap. 23 Aug 1730, Ramsbury) married Jane >> Appleford (bap. 1 Apr 1739, Ramsbury) on 16 Oct 1760 in Ramsbury. >> Richard >> was the son of Mark Westall (bap. 15 Sep 1703, Ramsbury) and Sarah >> (marrriage date not known). Mark was the son of William Westall and >> Sarah >> Sylvester. >> This far back in time it remains just an hypothesis ... unless we are >> lucky >> and one or more turns out the Scottish! >> >> Fred >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> >> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 3:01 AM >> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Henry William Westall >> >>> Fred, >>> >>> Thank you for the info! >>> >>> I have one more problem! >>> >>> There were several Richard Westall born between 1727 and 1737. Three >>> of >>> them were the children of Richard and Jane WestaLL nee King. The >>> first >>> two >>> of these died very young I believe. >>> >>> Another Richard Westall b 1730 was the son of Mark and Sarah Westall. >>> >>> One of these two Richard Westall m Jane Appleford 16 Oct 1760 >>> Ramsbury, >>> Wiltshire, Eng. >>> >>> Does anyone know which one married Jane? A marriage cert would be >>> nice! >>> <G> I believe Jane was born ca 1739 so either Richard's age would >>> be >>> OK! >>> >>> Who me confused, never! >>> >>> Bob >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: westall-bounces@rootsweb.com >>> [mailto:westall-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On >>> Behalf Of FredW >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:26 PM >>> To: westall@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [WESTALL] Henry William Westall >>> >>> Hi Bob, >>> >>> Harry Williams Westall (1875, Aldbourne) married Eva Violet Evans >>> (1885, >>> Cheatham Manchester). Harry's parents were Henry Williams Westall (24 >>> Sep >>> 1840, Lambourne Woodlands) and Hannah Cook (1849, Aldbourne) who >>> married >>> 16 >>> >>> Aug 1873 in Aldbourne. Harry did indeed have a brother Charles >>> Williams >>> Westall (1881, Aldbourne). In case you are wondering where the >>> 'Williams' came from, Henry Williams Westall's parents were James >>> Williams >>> (18 Nov 1827, Aldbourne) and Maria Westall (22 Feb 1829, Lambourne >>> Woodlands). Henry was born a year or so before his parents marrried >>> in >>> Sep >>> >>> qtr 1851. His siblings were called Williams but Henry carried the >>> Williams >>> Westall name down through his descendants. Maria Westall's parents >>> were >>> David Westall (1804, Lambourne Woodlands) and Elizabeth, and David's >>> parents >>> >>> were Isaac Westall (1773) and Hannah Challis (1771) who married 16 >>> Feb >>> 1797 >>> in Lambourne. Thence to the top of the Westall tree via John Westall >>> and >>> Hester Benfield. >>> >>> Fred >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> From: "Bob Westall" <bobatbmw@cox.net> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 10:44 PM >>> To: <westall@rootsweb.com> >>> Subject: [WESTALL] Henry William Westall >>> >>>> Everyone, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It shows Henry William or Williams Westall marrying Hannah Cook Bet. >>>> Jul - >>>> Sep 1873 Hungerford, Wiltshire, Eng. Their son was Charles William >>>> Westall >>>> b Bef. 06 Mar 1881 Aldbourne, Wiltshire, Eng. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I believe Charles' father Henry was b ca 1851 Lambourn Woodlands, >>>> Berkshire, >>>> Eng. Does anyone that has Westall in Berkshire have such a Henry >>>> William >>>> or >>>> Williams Westall in your data base? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> It would be appreciated if you could shed some light on this Henry! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Bob >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >>>> Database version: 5.11940 >>>> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >>> Database version: 5.11940 >>> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) >>> Database version: 5.11940 >>> http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> WESTALL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the >> body of the message >> >> >> **************Worried about job security? 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