To anyone interested, I have recently obtained certificates as outlined below. My 2G grandparents - 1854 Marriage solemnized at St Johns Church, Waterloo, Surrey Entry 288 10 Dec 1854 *Thomas John Westall, Full age, Bachelor, Printer, Waterloo Road *Father Thomas Westall, Shoemaker Mary Stacey, Minor, Spinster, Waterloo Road Father George Stacey, Carman Married in Parish Church after Banns by J A [?Rutler] Both signed Witnesses X Edward Franklin, X Harriet Franklin * (Thomas jnr and snr) My G grandfather - 1864 Birth in sub district Grays Inn Lane, Middlesex Entry 334 16 Jul 1864, 9, Britannia Street Arthur, Boy Father Thomas John Westall, Printer (Pressman) Mother Mary Westall, formerly Stacey Informant Mary Westall, Mother, Address 9, Britannia Street, Pancras, 24 Aug 1864 Registrar Charles Worrell My G grandparents - 1884 Marriage solemnized at Parish Church of St Peter's, Regent Square, Middlesex Entry 290 6 July 1884 Arthur Westall, age 21, Bachelor, Bootmaker, 129, Cromer St Father Thomas John Westall, Bootmaker Jane Bigmore Brigden, age 19, Spinster, 5, Aldenham St Father Thomas Brigden, Fishmonger Married in Parish Church of St Peter after Banns, by R H A Bradley M A, Vicar Both signed Witnesses Charles Parrish, Anne Esther Brigden, both signed *Charles Parrish, Jane's uncle *Ann Esther Brigden, Jane's sister The marriage certificate of Thomas John Westall and Mary Stacey comes with some possible useful information in the name of the witnesses, which will need looking into. Mick Westall has given me the name of Maria Franklin for Thomas snrs wife, but Pallott's marriage Index and IGI have the name of Maria Burden. Name: Maria Burden Spouse: Thos Westall Marriage Date:1831 Parish: St Anne, Soho MARIA BURDEN THOMAS WESTALL Marriage: 30 OCT 1831 Saint Anne Soho, Westminster, London, England Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record M062361 1821 - 1832 0918598 There are Franklin witnesses to Thomas jnrs marriage, and in 1851 census there is a Franklin staying with Thomas snr and jnr, who could be either Thomas' or Maria's blood nephew Thomas Westall, Head, Widr, M, 45, Shoemaker, Berks, Reading Thomas Westall, Son, M, 17, Printer, Middx, St Giles Edmund Franklin, Nephew, Widr, M, 21, Shoemaker, Middx, St Giles Address 56, Dudley Street, St Giles in the Fields, Finsbury HO 107/1509 Folio 389 p12 Still searching for Thomas snr +/- Maria and Thomas jnr, +/- siblings, in 1841 census, no luck as yet. Margaret _________________________________________________________________ Txt a lot? Get Messenger FREE on your mobile. https://livemessenger.mobile.uk.msn.com/