Margaret, I believe you have Thomas Brigden Westall m Gertrude Hyde 30 Jul 1908 with no location? I found them marrying in the 3rd quarter of 1908 in Croydon, Surrey? How does that sound? The 1901 Census showing a Gertrude Hyde (b 1887 in Croydon, Surrey) and family. Also www.rootsweb.com shows a Gertrude Hyde b Jul - Sep 1886 in Croydon, Surrey! I don't know but it looks like a pretty good possiblity? If you look up Henry Hyde in the 1901 Census you will see Gertude was the oldest of 13 children! Does any of this make sense? Bob Taken from the 1901 British Census Name: Henry Hyde Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Epping, Essex, England Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 20 Selsdon Road Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: Employed Source information: RG13/636 Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 151 Page: 16 Household schedule number: 107

Bob, I thought I had posted full details of their marriage to the list, but looking through the archives I cannot find these, however I did mention in 'All quiet on the Westall front' (10 Oct 2005) that I have their marriage certificate. Marriage solemnised at Register Office, Croydon, by license 30 July 1908 Thomas Brigden Westall, aged 23, Bachelor, Journalist. Living at Station Hotel,Station Road, South Norwood Father Arthur Westall, deceased, licensed victualler Gertrude Hyde, aged 22, Spinster, living at Kirkdale Nursery, Selsdon Road, South Croydon Father Henry Hyde, nurseryman Witnesses U. J. Vandersteen and K. M. Keene Registrar Norman McLeod Superintendent registrar (?) W McLeod In 1901 Gertrude was the eldest of 11 children, but Henry and Mary Ann went on to have more children, 16 in total, only one of whom died in infancy, Leslie Robert Hyde, the baby aged 4 months in 1901 census. Gertrude was born 22 Jul 1886 in Croydon. Also in the same post I mentioned Thomas John Westall - (Thomas born 1833, who I am looking for at present in 1841 census) ''According to Mick's site, Thomas John Westall died in 1897, but I have found him live and kicking in 1901 census, I have no idea when he died, cannot find a remotely suitable BMD ref to send for certifcate, or even just to give me some idea of when he died.'' Since ancestry put BMD images online, I have found what is possibly his death as follows, but the age is slightly out, he would have been nearer to 80 -: Death Pancras Thomas J Westall, aged 77 Dec qtr 1913 Vol 1b p64 The 2 young Westall infants (mentioned in my post of yesterday) may be buried with him and Thomas Westall snr (born c 1807 Reading) who probably died as follows Death Pancras Thomas Westall Age 68 Mar qtr 1875 Vol 1b p47 If I have the correct death references for John and Martha Westall, Thomas snrs parents (see previous post), there may well be a family plot somewhere in London. Margaret ----Original Message Follows---- From: "bobatbmw" <bobatbmw@cox.net> To: WESTALL-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Gertrude Hyde Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 20:51:43 -0400 Margaret, I believe you have Thomas Brigden Westall m Gertrude Hyde 30 Jul 1908 with no location? I found them marrying in the 3rd quarter of 1908 in Croydon, Surrey? How does that sound? The 1901 Census showing a Gertrude Hyde (b 1887 in Croydon, Surrey) and family. Also www.rootsweb.com shows a Gertrude Hyde b Jul - Sep 1886 in Croydon, Surrey! I don't know but it looks like a pretty good possiblity? If you look up Henry Hyde in the 1901 Census you will see Gertude was the oldest of 13 children! Does any of this make sense? Bob Taken from the 1901 British Census Name: Henry Hyde Age: 39 Estimated birth year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Gender: Male Where born: Epping, Essex, England Civil parish: Croydon Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter Town: Croydon County/Island: Surrey Country: England Street address: 20 Selsdon Road Occupation: Condition as to marriage: Married Education: Employment status: Employed Source information: RG13/636 Registration district: Croydon Sub-registration district: Croydon ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 151 Page: 16 Household schedule number: 107